Cebu

[Tcvve]

Are there hotels (you could recommend) in the downtown area near Jonquera for westerners to stay or would you suggest getting a hotel in the tourist district.

I know in Phnom Penh there was a similar scene around a park where street girls were being pimped to customers for a cheap price. But there was always the chance the pimp and the girl would run off in the park after the money was handed over to the pimp.

TC.

[Desert Don]

[QUOTE=Tom II]Are there hotels (you could recommend) in the downtown area near Jonquera for westerners to stay or would you suggest getting a hotel in the tourist district.

I know in Phnom Penh there was a similar scene around a park where street girls were being pimped to customers for a cheap price. But there was always the chance the pimp and the girl would run off in the park after the money was handed over to the pimp.

TC.[/QUOTE]I assume you also want to know where a cheap hospital is to take care of any dieses you pick up also!

[Iron Duke]

I just went into a pharmacy and asked for it. They asked if I had a prescription and when I said no they made me sign a form to say I had taken it before and did not hold them liable for anything.

Not cheap but at least I know I got the real thing. It's offerered on every street corner but I'm reluctant to take pills bought on the street, even if they were genuine, which I doubt.



[QUOTE=Weewillem]I'm looking for a reliable supplier of Viagra in Cebu.

Anybody know of one?

(not fake stuff, from street vendors - the real thing, or a generic)

I've searched the Cebu forum for all of 2007 and can't find anything.

I'm really too old for this game, but with a little help, great things can be accomplished.

So many lovely young women - So little time![/QUOTE]

[X Man]

I would not recommend a hotel downtown, but if you want sleeze central check out the Mercedes Hotel. There is also a new place downtown which I've heard good things about. I can't remember the name, but I'll look it up when I get home and can access my home computer.

X Man

[QUOTE=Tom II]Are there hotels (you could recommend) in the downtown area near Jonquera for westerners to stay or would you suggest getting a hotel in the tourist district.

I know in Phnom Penh there was a similar scene around a park where street girls were being pimped to customers for a cheap price. But there was always the chance the pimp and the girl would run off in the park after the money was handed over to the pimp.

TC.[/QUOTE]

[Mortman]

[QUOTE=X Man]Nice post and nice adventure. I hope you can tell us more about your Internet friend in the CHAT section.

I've helped out with the name above, but there are some other points I should clarify.

1) Go go places can be much cheaper than Mort suggests.
2) All the bar girls/street girls will tell you they are new on the job. Come back in six months and you'll get to meet them again.
3) Street pimps may ask for 1500 if you look like a newbie, but it's more like 500 or less. Maybe 1500 was the total price -- lady + tip.

4) Hilarious??? Different strokes for different folks, but I thought it was horrific to see a bunch of girls paraded in front of taxi headlights on a public street. That may be the reason for the taxi driver's reluctance. You never explained why a taxi driver was losing money on this deal...[/QUOTE]

X Man
What I meant was taxi drivers don't like taking people to Honkera simply because they lose the large percentage that they would have added on,had they brought the girl to the customer rather than taking the customer direct to the girl. The girls taking part in the parades were not shrinking violets but actually enthusiastic about parading in front of the drivers, since this is an opportunity for them to get work. I went down to the area at 2am and I will admit I was very concerned initially. My guide knew all the pimps, didn't take any crap from them and he assured me this was one of the safest places to walk in the Phillipines. He reckons the local Mafia will not allow anything to go on that threatens their trade and I really did feel very safe once I overcame my initial fear. That said it is not somewhere I would want to go flashing money or jewellery around and common sense dictates wherever you are in the world and taking a buddy along is always a good idea. The other poster Weewillem is correct with his more specific location though I was told that the action is very limited until about 6pm when it is usually going dark.
In response to Iron Duke's post about the Viagra, the local English paper carried a story this week about pharmacies being prosecuted for selling counterfeit drugs..........hope it is still functioning ok Iron Duke?

[Tcvve]

[QUOTE=X Man]I would not recommend a hotel downtown, but if you want sleeze central check out the Mercedes Hotel. There is also a new place downtown which I've heard good things about. I can't remember the name, but I'll look it up when I get home and can access my home computer.

X Man[/QUOTE]Thanks X-Man the hotel info would be helpful if you can find it.

Taking a page out of what a downtown area consist of here in the USA, my perception of a "downtown" district, is a bustling area full of locals and tourist shopping going to boutiques, theaters hotels etc. Of course there are the occasional prostitutes or drug dealer plying their trade, but nothing to be frighten of.

Reading some buzz words here, I get the impression Cebu downtown has a completely different flavor. Can someone enlighten me (without the flames) on what I will see in Cebu downtown? Is walking there during the day dangerous to me?

Tom.

[Born Loser 5]

Tom,

Cebu is safe anyplace, anytime, everywhere complimented with chicks anyplace anytime, everywhere :D

You just have to breath and be there at Cebu to pick chicks...its not
over-exageration ....You don't have to think about what we think the most while at home..

if you totally freak out, drink and f**ck 24/7....You would overspend by 20 to 30 %...but you can let your mind completely free to a new level which would be equivalent to sexual nirvana of sorts..

I only made the mistake of carrying my work load to Cebu..big mistake..but my first two weeks were bliss and then for work i got contact with outside world and it all disappeared :(

Donwtown cebu is unclean than uptown..but you can score easily...for staying...it would be better to live in uptown area ..due to many facilities and bars..pirce would be more or less same..not too much big difference..


Old folks who live in Cebu has seen the world before us and they know..they have found the paradise...its just that internet came to us and we got the information before we crossed to retirement..

Its the city that has fit retired folks and Cebu is pushing itself as retirement haven..and they surely have calculated every aspect of safety and money..so if it suits them..it will surely suit us..


Good Luck

[Iron Duke]

[QUOTE=Mortman]X Man
In response to Iron Duke's post about the Viagra, the local English paper carried a story this week about pharmacies being prosecuted for selling counterfeit drugs..........hope it is still functioning ok Iron Duke?[/QUOTE]

Haven't used it yet... an emergency supply just in case Mother Nature let's me down! However, I bought it at a branch of Mercury and I would be very surprised if they did anything not reputable.

[Weewillem]

[QUOTE=Tom II]Are there hotels (you could recommend) in the downtown area near Jonquera for westerners to stay or would you suggest getting a hotel in the tourist district.[/quote]The hotel group "Queensland" has short-time motels in Cebu. Simple, clean and adequate room for the purpose with aircon, wc and shower (not somewhere you would want to stay several nights).

There is one within a short taxi ride from Jonquera. About 300P for a 3hr short-time. 500-600P if you stay all night. The taxi driver will know where it is.

Similar to the Thai short-time hotels where you drive right up to the room, a room boy is waiting outside to show you in and he returns collect the rental when you leave. All very simple, safe and anonymous.

[Weewillem]

[QUOTE=Iron Duke]I just went into a pharmacy and asked for it. They asked if I had a prescription and when I said no they made me sign a form to say I had taken it before and did not hold them liable for anything.

Not cheap but at least I know I got the real thing. It's offerered on every street corner but I'm reluctant to take pills bought on the street, even if they were genuine, which I doubt.[/QUOTE]Thanks for that and your later post Iron Duke.

Was that a Mercury pharmacy in Cebu City?

Can you recall the price?

[X Man]

Ooops, I couldn't find the contact info for the newer hotel in downtown Cebu. Anyway, here is a list of hotels I have. I've stayed in four or five of these places. This information came from different sources (incl ISG) and may be out of date in some areas.

Cebu Hotels area code 032 (last update 7.07)

West Gorordo maybe not guest friendly, close to Ayala Mall / Bo's. Dont get the suites / Best rooms are deluxe, 4th floor with balcony overlooking the street/alley which has interesting foot traffic.
http://www.ngkhai.net/cebuwiki/inde...t_Gorordo_Hotel http://www.westgorordohotel.com/

Mango Park Hotel, 032 233 1511 / 233 5679 http://www.ngkhai.net/cebuwiki/inde...ango_Park_Hotel
07.07 paid 1350

Northwinds Hotel – past Waterfront / cheap http://www.ngkhai.net/cebuwiki/inde...orthwinds_Hotel
Crowne Garden Hotel on Salinas St. 1300 incl breakfast
Waterfront, nice pool, check out H2O club 232 6888
Richmond Plaza Hotel, 232-4613 (-18) richmondhotelcebu@yahoo.com
Lahug on gororodo, facelift for ASEAN summit 2006 http://www.richmondhotelcebu.com/

Castle Peak Hotel http://www.ngkhai.net/cebuwiki/inde...stle_Peak_Hotel http://www.castlepeakhotel.net/

Cebu Grand Hotel, near Capital 1600 to 4200 / roof pool / 254 6331 / 6361/ 6362 info@cebugrandhotel.com www.cebugrandhotel.com

Cebu Midtown Hotel 63 32 253-9711 2000peso+

Hotel de Mercedes, downtown 253 1105

Rajah Park Hotel (032) 412 3337 / 412 4850 Some rooms no windows. Rates start at 1500, incl breakfast

Holiday Plaza (032) 254 9880 holiday@holidayplazacebu.com
www.holidayplazacebu.com Superior 1900 / Biz class 2300 / Exec 3300 good buffet breakfast included

Hotel le Carmen, near net café, 255 6366/67 P1000 to 1450 large room is better
Diplomat Hotel, 90 F. Ramos Street 032 253 0099 diplomathotel@yahoo.com
prices 1200- 2,500 (suite in new wing), clean, some rooms have nice views www.diplomathotel.com.ph

Kiwi Lodge 1060 G. Tudtud Street, Mabolo 032 232 9550 kiwilodge@pacific.net.ph 850-1250

LS 2 pension house, Junquera Ext. 254-8406 / 259-0826 P600 / no guests

Casa Rosario, 101-E Ramon Aboitiz St. 255 0525 / 256 2225 / 253 5134 www.casarosario.net 1000-1300

Kan Irag Hotel 253 1151 (-57) under 1000 kanhotel@pop.cebu.pw.net.ph

Hotel Asia, down a side street opposite Doctor’s college, 11 Don Jose Avila St.
032 255 8536 / P1200 to 3k incl. breakfast / Japanese focus/ hotelasia@pldtdsl.net
hotelasiacebu.com / nice rooms, exec has desk and sofa for 2500

Mactan Hotels

Bella Vista and Cesario have free airport transfer and use xenios@mozcom.com
Bella Vista 032 340 7821 P1500 www.thebellavistahotel.com
Hotel Cesario, incl breakfast 340 0211 / 254 9880 ??? www.hotelcesario.com
Cebu Beach Club , Buyong, Lapu Lapu $55 340 7994 032 495 7717 cbclub@mozcom.com
Alegre beach www.alegrebeach.com.ph
Pacific Cebu Resort, Japanese mgmt
Cebu marine Beach Resort 1500 pesos 032 340 5727 suite 4680
Crowne Regency Princevilla / 2400-4000 Very good swimmimg pool, good coffee shop

[Tcvve]

Thanks everyone for your feedback and hotel information.

Tom.

[X Man]

Kiwi Lodge 1060 G. Tudtud Street, Mabolo 032 232 9550 kiwilodge@pacific.net.ph 850-1250


Oh, I should add that the the info at Wikipedia travel says that Americans are not welcome, the owner dislikes Americans.

Hmmm, that may be a bit of kiwi humor there, or maybe just trying to scare off the ones who have no clue about sarcasm....

The place is kind of far from the action, but they do have some sheep there. If you're not American, the mgmt will probably let ewe have a go at em...

[Nightrider1]

[QUOTE=X Man]Kiwi Lodge 1060 G. Tudtud Street, Mabolo 032 232 9550 kiwilodge@pacific.net.ph 850-1250


Oh, I should add that the the info at Wikipedia travel says that Americans are not welcome, the owner dislikes Americans.

Hmmm, that may be a bit of kiwi humor there, or maybe just trying to scare off the ones who have no clue about sarcasm....

The place is kind of far from the action, but they do have some sheep there. If you're not American, the mgmt will probably let ewe have a go at em...[/QUOTE]

Kiwi Lodge not liking Americans might be true. I am from USA and on 3 different trips I stopped by Kiwi Lodge trying to get a room and each time they said they had no vacancy. Just a coincidence?? Hmmmm

[Benmiles]

[QUOTE=Nightrider1]Kiwi Lodge not liking Americans might be true. I am from USA and on 3 different trips I stopped by Kiwi Lodge trying to get a room and each time they said they had no vacancy. Just a coincidence?? Hmmmm[/QUOTE]I'm an American and have visited Kiwi Lodge on 2 different occasions. The first time I was there just to check it out for future use and ended up drinking at the bar for an hour or two. The second time I stayed there. The place is operated by a New Zealander and his son. The first time I chatted with the father. He couldn't have been friendlier. He did say he had a problem with Koreans staying there in the past. I got a lot of good information from some of the local characters who visit the bar.

The second time I was there, the father was at a resort they own somewhere else on the island. The son was running things and he too was friendly and helpful. They have only a few rooms and are in the process of adding another wing. Also, their prices are quite reasonable. I think that's why it's always full.

As someone mentioned, it's out of the way a bit. About a 15 minute hike to Ayala Center and a cab ride to Mango street. The internet at the hotel and the cybercafe half a block away were extremely slow. Otherwise a good, clean, reasonable place to stay.

[Elmerfud]

[QUOTE=X Man]Kiwi Lodge 1060 G. Tudtud Street, Mabolo 032 232 9550 kiwilodge@pacific.net.ph 850-1250

The place is kind of far from the action, but they do have some sheep there. If you're not American, the mgmt will probably let ewe have a go at em...[/QUOTE]If so, you should think about bringing those hi rubber boots as you can stick theirs back legs in it so that they can not run away.

[Web Connect]

Since there has been a lot of posted recently about Junquera and Casa's so I thought I should post this article that in my humble opinion is VERY accurate.

Oldest Prostitution District in the Philippines

I have to be a sexagenarian in order to be embedded in the oldest prostitution district in the country.

In my whole life of almost sixty years, twenty-five years of which were spent as a journalist, I have never really gone inside a red light district.

Of course, I have seen the famous red light district of Amsterdam, where the women are on display in glass display windows. But it is only from a safe distance. I have just been driven around the blocks in a car by a Dutch cousin-in-law and his wife.

I have seen the women for sale in the streets of Bangkok. But it is also from afar.

I have walked up and down Ermita in Manila, Pasay, even Makati, and seen the women of the night sitting or standing by the doorways of karaoke bars, massage parlors, cheap motels and hotels and other entertainment establishments. Again, from a distance.

In Kamagayan, Cebu, however, I have really gone inside the red light district with field social workers. I have met and talked with the prostitutes and the pimps. I have seen the street watchers, some of whom are minors and the mama sans, some of whom are also sexagenarians. The only people I have not seen are the real owners and their politician protectors.

The story of most prostitutes are the same, they are young, well-protected daughters of decent fathers, mostly poor farmers and fishermen in the smaller and farthest towns of our country. They have reached only grade or high school level. Very few are in college. Most have run away from home, because of dire poverty, which by United Nations definition of poverty is a family, usually of five members, that earns only one dollar a day or even less. They are lured by promises of a recruiter to be given decent work as waitress or sales lady in the city. The family is usually promised a monthly salary of three thousand pesos and the first month's salary is given in advance to the family.

But you can establish a profile of the Filipino prostitute. When asked how old they are, they always say they are 18 to about 24. You look at their faces and bodies and many of them are minors. In fact, their ages really range from 14 up to 65. Sexagenarians are also in demand, although not as much as children in pre-puberty, whose sexual fluids are supposedly the fountain of youth.

They never tell you their real ages. Just as they never tell you where they come from and what are their real names. The names of the same persons even change every night.

At the very outset, here are women living a life of lies, lying to and fighting with others and lying even to themselves. You look into their eyes, and you see hurt and the woundedness of Filipino women without a positive self image, without a sense of self worth and without self respect. There is an identity crisis in each and every girl.

For who can accept such a sordid life in such a sordid profession?

Cebu is the oldest city in the country, the exact place where Portuguese navigator in the service of the Spanish crown, Ferdinand Magellan discovered the Philippines for the West. Mactan is where Lapulapu killed Magellan when he got involved in the rivalry between two native chieftains on April 27, 1521. Cebu is where the cross of Christianity was first planted and the Statue of the Santo Nino was given to the wife of Rajah Humabon, Hara Amihan, who was baptized and named Queen Juana.

And yet Baranggay Kamagayan in Cebu, is the oldest red light district in the Philippines.

Archival records speak of Kamagayan district as early as 1906. Periodical records report it as a prostitution district as early as 1920. And it is plausible, because most prostitution districts in the world, from ancient Greece up to today, are located at the piers or at the end of the train line. And Kamagayan used to be the end of the train stations.

Baranggay Kamagayan, which has a baranggay center and even a health center that displays prominently information on HIV AIDS and STD diseases, is composed of three blocks, bordered by the streets of Junquera, P. del Rosario, Jakosalem and Sanciangco. Junquera has been known as the street of prostitution as early as 1920.

Junquera is a one way street, but at night, taxis and cars can go against the traffic into the baranggay.

Demographically speaking there are about 42 casas or brothels, or prostitution dens here, with about 42 mamasans or den mothers. As of today, they have gone down to 35. They are called Ate by the girls, older women oftentimes dressed in dusters and playing cards through the night, or simply sitting around with fans in their hands.

There are about 60 to 80 pimps in one night, those who negotiate with the men for the girls. There are certain rules to follow in the negotiation. When a foreigner arrives in Cebu, the taxi driver may ask if the foreigner needs a girl for a night. If the guest agrees, he is brought into Kamagayan, really a slum or squatter area in the same taxi. The pimps cover the four streets, together with street watchers. The first pimp that the guest or taxi driver talks to owns the negotiation. So the pimps do not fight over the same commercial transactions.

The girls sit on plastic monobloc benches strewn all over the baranggay, in street corners, in front of houses or casas, and in the small unpaved plaza. I also sat on one of those plastic monobloc chairs, which is really a child’s chair!

When the taxi enters the small plaza clearing, the girls line up. There can be ten to twenty, or fifty to seventy girls in the choral line up. On heavy days, there can be two hundred fifty girls in many different line up. The cheaper girls are in the entry points of the baranggay. The more beautiful ones, the more expensive ones are inside the depths of the baranggay.

The headlights of the taxi flood over the girls in the line-up. Then the customer, inside the taxi, chooses his girl. The girl may go with the customer to his pension house, motel, five star hotel, beach resort, or rent any of the casa rooms or cubicles in the baranggay.

In a place called City Center, which is actually a market during the day, but turned into a prostitution house for the night, there are cubicles for rent for only twenty to thirty pesos short time. The cubicles are as small as a confessional box, with only a single mattress on the muddy floor, and the walls are made of thin unpainted plywood. You can hear whatever is happening inside.

The cubicle is the most nauseating sight that an advocate for women’s rights and against child abuses could ever see. Even I have never felt the same revulsion, when I saw the ancient excavated prostitution houses in Pompeii, Italy, with pornographic paintings on the walls, and chairs and beds based on stone.

How is RA 9262, the Law Against Violence of Women and Child Abuse, or R.A. 9208, the Law Against Trafficking of Women and Children applying in this case? The Philippines has 500,000 prostitutes in the whole country according to conservative estimate.

Nobody knows about R.A. 9208 among the girls. They imagine it as 69. They think that they are the most beautiful girls, from head to toes, and they even have the most beautiful female organ, said straight in the local dialect.

On ordinary days, there are 100, 300 to 500 prostitutes here in Cebu. One girl can cost from three hundred to five hundred pesos. But their cost can go down to a measly fifty pesos to one hundred pesos. The first class prostitutes, who in fact do not sit here or join the line, cost about fifteen thousand to seventy thousand pesos.

The official share of this payment from fifty pesos to five hundred pesos is twenty-five percent for the girl, twenty five percent for the pimp, and fifty percent for the mamasan.

The girls do not get their payment in cash, though. It is listed on paper, and used as debt payment for the food, lodging, clothing, make-up, medicine or even drugs that the girls are given. It is worse than five-six. If the girl has no customer, she is not given food. There are many days, when the girls complain that they have not eaten the whole day.

The girls are also forbidden to talk to strangers, even to the customers, and especially to social workers. They are fined when they are caught talking to strangers. The fine is charged against their earning.

Kamagayan is busy from eight thirty in the evening up to four thirty at dawn. Ironically, it is at dawn that the manangs of Cebu walk in a procession praying the rosary in Junquera street.

Traffic is heavy on certain days, especially paydays on the fifteenth and last day of the month, and when there is a convention in Cebu. Even charismatic conventions, interdenominational and all kinds of religion is no exemption

Most of the clients are construction workers in the lower bracket, teenage students, unfaithful husbands, businessmen, and foreigners in the upper bracket of the economic ladder. Most are male clients, but there can also be female customers.

The heaviest traffic is when American troops go on rest and recreation in Cebu. Then casas all over the country also congregate here. And they can buy whole casas from Luzon, or Visayas, or Mindanao and transport them over here

The Cinderella dream of each prostitute, like Pretty Woman, is to be rescued from this dungeon in a tower, by a knight in shining armor, preferably rich and handsome as Richard Gere. Some foreigners get them as live-in partners and promise them marriage To have a live-in prostitute is cheaper than to get a girl every night. For the customer pays only for food and gifts for the girl. But when the girl gets pregnant, she is sent out of the customer’s house, and even beaten up sometimes.

A fourteen or seventeen-year-old girl had already died, beaten up and stabbed by her customer in the casa. The tragedy lies not just on the meaninglessness of her death. But the fact that nobody knows her real name and where she comes from. Her relatives do not know what really happened to her and so she is buried incognito.

As I write this, I put to risk the lives of the girls, the social workers and even myself and my fearless editors. Because the knee jerk reaction of government after such a hard-hitting expose as this is to raid the red light district and imprison the girls and the pimps for vagrancy. The under the table fine is one hundred pesos. The real fine is one thousand pesos per girl. Never have they caught any owner or a prostitution lord. Never have they caught a client in the act.

The girls may be abused by their casa owners and even the police.

The girls will have no business for a few weeks and no food to eat.

Kamagayan, the red light district will be quiet.

President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo suggests the transfer of the Department of Tourism to Cebu. There are many direct flights to and from Cebu and other foreign countries. A proportion of any flight manifest from Manila consists of male foreigners and Filipino girls flying together on a three day vacation, but they are not related to each other. Nobody does a Julia Robert’s act here, pretending to be a niece of the companion.

In bus stations of well known sources of recruitment, a male/female recruiter usually travels with five minors, none of them his or her relatives. The children are also not related to each other. How do you stop them? Can you make a citizen’s arrest for intention to commit the crime of trafficking? What if they answer that they are just going on a field trip?

What is the country trying to sell?

Tourism or a pound of flesh

By Josephine Acosta Pasricha

The girls in the Casas are waiting to go to Manila, Singapore or Japan. The amount they have to pay the pimps back start there... and never ends.. some never make it to their destination. The Casa's in my opinion are safe to visit. There is no real savings and you can't really see the girls body because they are not in bikinis. The girls may not be up to date on their city health visits.The girls in Junquera are definitely NOT visiting City Health every week.

By visiting these places you are taking BIG risks to save a small amount of money. Even more so in Junquara.

There are crack downs in Junquara and you can be easily set up... The Papas/Mamasans are just as cracked out as the girls and will turn you in with out a problem. There is no protection there. Trying to save a few peso's will cost you a lot more in the long run.

It is just like gambling and listening to gamblers... you only hear about the winnings and never the loses. There are articles in the paper about the busts or killings to the pimp drug attics... you never read about the foreigners being busted because they pay their pay out. That is not to say it does'nt happen.

If you want to go down there to look around and say you where there... have fun.... Grab a 40 oz of Redhorse and enjoy yourself and watch. It does'nt mean you have to partake. The quality of the girls are the lowest ( worse than blow row in AC ). If you can afford a flight and hotel ... do you really need to save 500 pesos just so you can say you got some pussy for the local price ? ? ? You may wind up getting busted of the chance of an STD.

If you are going to Casa's or Junquara looking for underage girls you will get busted eventually and have everything coming to you ! It may cost you a lot more than money nlm ( that is me giving you the middle finger )

[size=-2]EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.[/size]

[Web Connect]

Since there has been a lot of posted recently about Junquera and Casa's so I thought I should post this article that in my humble opinion should be read.

Oldest Prostitution District in the Philippines

By Josephine Acosta Pasricha

I have to be a sexagenarian in order to be embedded in the oldest prostitution district in the country.

In my whole life of almost sixty years, twenty-five years of which were spent as a journalist, I have never really gone inside a red light district.

Of course, I have seen the famous red light district of Amsterdam, where the women are on display in glass display windows. But it is only from a safe distance. I have just been driven around the blocks in a car by a Dutch cousin-in-law and his wife.

I have seen the women for sale in the streets of Bangkok. But it is also from afar.

I have walked up and down Ermita in Manila, Pasay, even Makati, and seen the women of the night sitting or standing by the doorways of karaoke bars, massage parlors, cheap motels and hotels and other entertainment establishments. Again, from a distance.

In Kamagayan, Cebu, however, I have really gone inside the red light district with field social workers. I have met and talked with the prostitutes and the pimps. I have seen the street watchers, some of whom are minors and the mama sans, some of whom are also sexagenarians. The only people I have not seen are the real owners and their politician protectors.

The story of most prostitutes are the same, they are young, well-protected daughters of decent fathers, mostly poor farmers and fishermen in the smaller and farthest towns of our country. They have reached only grade or high school level. Very few are in college. Most have run away from home, because of dire poverty, which by United Nations definition of poverty is a family, usually of five members, that earns only one dollar a day or even less. They are lured by promises of a recruiter to be given decent work as waitress or sales lady in the city. The family is usually promised a monthly salary of three thousand pesos and the first month's salary is given in advance to the family.

But you can establish a profile of the Filipino prostitute. When asked how old they are, they always say they are 18 to about 24. You look at their faces and bodies and many of them are minors. In fact, their ages really range from 14 up to 65. Sexagenarians are also in demand, although not as much as children in pre-puberty, whose sexual fluids are supposedly the fountain of youth.

They never tell you their real ages. Just as they never tell you where they come from and what are their real names. The names of the same persons even change every night.

At the very outset, here are women living a life of lies, lying to and fighting with others and lying even to themselves. You look into their eyes, and you see hurt and the woundedness of Filipino women without a positive self image, without a sense of self worth and without self respect. There is an identity crisis in each and every girl.

For who can accept such a sordid life in such a sordid profession?

Cebu is the oldest city in the country, the exact place where Portuguese navigator in the service of the Spanish crown, Ferdinand Magellan discovered the Philippines for the West. Mactan is where Lapulapu killed Magellan when he got involved in the rivalry between two native chieftains on April 27, 1521. Cebu is where the cross of Christianity was first planted and the Statue of the Santo Nino was given to the wife of Rajah Humabon, Hara Amihan, who was baptized and named Queen Juana.

And yet Baranggay Kamagayan in Cebu, is the oldest red light district in the Philippines.

Archival records speak of Kamagayan district as early as 1906. Periodical records report it as a prostitution district as early as 1920. And it is plausible, because most prostitution districts in the world, from ancient Greece up to today, are located at the piers or at the end of the train line. And Kamagayan used to be the end of the train stations.

Baranggay Kamagayan, which has a baranggay center and even a health center that displays prominently information on HIV AIDS and STD diseases, is composed of three blocks, bordered by the streets of Junquera, P. del Rosario, Jakosalem and Sanciangco. Junquera has been known as the street of prostitution as early as 1920.

Junquera is a one way street, but at night, taxis and cars can go against the traffic into the baranggay.

Demographically speaking there are about 42 casas or brothels, or prostitution dens here, with about 42 mamasans or den mothers. As of today, they have gone down to 35. They are called Ate by the girls, older women oftentimes dressed in dusters and playing cards through the night, or simply sitting around with fans in their hands.

There are about 60 to 80 pimps in one night, those who negotiate with the men for the girls. There are certain rules to follow in the negotiation. When a foreigner arrives in Cebu, the taxi driver may ask if the foreigner needs a girl for a night. If the guest agrees, he is brought into Kamagayan, really a slum or squatter area in the same taxi. The pimps cover the four streets, together with street watchers. The first pimp that the guest or taxi driver talks to owns the negotiation. So the pimps do not fight over the same commercial transactions.

The girls sit on plastic monobloc benches strewn all over the baranggay, in street corners, in front of houses or casas, and in the small unpaved plaza. I also sat on one of those plastic monobloc chairs, which is really a child’s chair!

When the taxi enters the small plaza clearing, the girls line up. There can be ten to twenty, or fifty to seventy girls in the choral line up. On heavy days, there can be two hundred fifty girls in many different line up. The cheaper girls are in the entry points of the baranggay. The more beautiful ones, the more expensive ones are inside the depths of the baranggay.

The headlights of the taxi flood over the girls in the line-up. Then the customer, inside the taxi, chooses his girl. The girl may go with the customer to his pension house, motel, five star hotel, beach resort, or rent any of the casa rooms or cubicles in the baranggay.

In a place called City Center, which is actually a market during the day, but turned into a prostitution house for the night, there are cubicles for rent for only twenty to thirty pesos short time. The cubicles are as small as a confessional box, with only a single mattress on the muddy floor, and the walls are made of thin unpainted plywood. You can hear whatever is happening inside.

The cubicle is the most nauseating sight that an advocate for women’s rights and against child abuses could ever see. Even I have never felt the same revulsion, when I saw the ancient excavated prostitution houses in Pompeii, Italy, with pornographic paintings on the walls, and chairs and beds based on stone.

How is RA 9262, the Law Against Violence of Women and Child Abuse, or R.A. 9208, the Law Against Trafficking of Women and Children applying in this case? The Philippines has 500,000 prostitutes in the whole country according to conservative estimate.

Nobody knows about R.A. 9208 among the girls. They imagine it as 69. They think that they are the most beautiful girls, from head to toes, and they even have the most beautiful female organ, said straight in the local dialect.

On ordinary days, there are 100, 300 to 500 prostitutes here in Cebu. One girl can cost from three hundred to five hundred pesos. But their cost can go down to a measly fifty pesos to one hundred pesos. The first class prostitutes, who in fact do not sit here or join the line, cost about fifteen thousand to seventy thousand pesos.

The official share of this payment from fifty pesos to five hundred pesos is twenty-five percent for the girl, twenty five percent for the pimp, and fifty percent for the mamasan.

The girls do not get their payment in cash, though. It is listed on paper, and used as debt payment for the food, lodging, clothing, make-up, medicine or even drugs that the girls are given. It is worse than five-six. If the girl has no customer, she is not given food. There are many days, when the girls complain that they have not eaten the whole day.

The girls are also forbidden to talk to strangers, even to the customers, and especially to social workers. They are fined when they are caught talking to strangers. The fine is charged against their earning.

Kamagayan is busy from eight thirty in the evening up to four thirty at dawn. Ironically, it is at dawn that the manangs of Cebu walk in a procession praying the rosary in Junquera street.

Traffic is heavy on certain days, especially paydays on the fifteenth and last day of the month, and when there is a convention in Cebu. Even charismatic conventions, interdenominational and all kinds of religion is no exemption

Most of the clients are construction workers in the lower bracket, teenage students, unfaithful husbands, businessmen, and foreigners in the upper bracket of the economic ladder. Most are male clients, but there can also be female customers.

The heaviest traffic is when American troops go on rest and recreation in Cebu. Then casas all over the country also congregate here. And they can buy whole casas from Luzon, or Visayas, or Mindanao and transport them over here

The Cinderella dream of each prostitute, like Pretty Woman, is to be rescued from this dungeon in a tower, by a knight in shining armor, preferably rich and handsome as Richard Gere. Some foreigners get them as live-in partners and promise them marriage To have a live-in prostitute is cheaper than to get a girl every night. For the customer pays only for food and gifts for the girl. But when the girl gets pregnant, she is sent out of the customer’s house, and even beaten up sometimes.

A fourteen or seventeen-year-old girl had already died, beaten up and stabbed by her customer in the casa. The tragedy lies not just on the meaninglessness of her death. But the fact that nobody knows her real name and where she comes from. Her relatives do not know what really happened to her and so she is buried incognito.

As I write this, I put to risk the lives of the girls, the social workers and even myself and my fearless editors. Because the knee jerk reaction of government after such a hard-hitting expose as this is to raid the red light district and imprison the girls and the pimps for vagrancy. The under the table fine is one hundred pesos. The real fine is one thousand pesos per girl. Never have they caught any owner or a prostitution lord. Never have they caught a client in the act.

The girls may be abused by their casa owners and even the police.

The girls will have no business for a few weeks and no food to eat.

Kamagayan, the red light district will be quiet.

President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo suggests the transfer of the Department of Tourism to Cebu. There are many direct flights to and from Cebu and other foreign countries. A proportion of any flight manifest from Manila consists of male foreigners and Filipino girls flying together on a three day vacation, but they are not related to each other. Nobody does a Julia Robert’s act here, pretending to be a niece of the companion.

In bus stations of well known sources of recruitment, a male/female recruiter usually travels with five minors, none of them his or her relatives. The children are also not related to each other. How do you stop them? Can you make a citizen’s arrest for intention to commit the crime of trafficking? What if they answer that they are just going on a field trip?

What is the country trying to sell?

Tourism or a pound of flesh

[size=-2]EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.[/size]

[Amavida]

[QUOTE=WebConexxion]Since there has been a lot of posted recently about Junquera and Casa's so I thought I should post this article that in my humble opinion should be read.

Oldest Prostitution District in the Philippines

By Josephine Acosta Pasricha

I have to be a sexagenarian in order to be embedded in the oldest prostitution district in the country.

In my whole life of almost sixty years, twenty-five years of which were spent as a journalist, I have never really gone inside a red light district.

Of course, I have seen the famous red light district of Amsterdam, where the women are on display in glass display windows. But it is only from a safe distance. I have just been driven around the blocks in a car by a Dutch cousin-in-law and his wife.

I have seen the women for sale in the streets of Bangkok. But it is also from afar.

I have walked up and down Ermita in Manila, Pasay, even Makati, and seen the women of the night sitting or standing by the doorways of karaoke bars, massage parlors, cheap motels and hotels and other entertainment establishments. Again, from a distance.

In Kamagayan, Cebu, however, I have really gone inside the red light district with field social workers. I have met and talked with the prostitutes and the pimps. I have seen the street watchers, some of whom are minors and the mama sans, some of whom are also sexagenarians. The only people I have not seen are the real owners and their politician protectors.

The story of most prostitutes are the same, they are young, well-protected daughters of decent fathers, mostly poor farmers and fishermen in the smaller and farthest towns of our country. They have reached only grade or high school level. Very few are in college. Most have run away from home, because of dire poverty, which by United Nations definition of poverty is a family, usually of five members, that earns only one dollar a day or even less. They are lured by promises of a recruiter to be given decent work as waitress or sales lady in the city. The family is usually promised a monthly salary of three thousand pesos and the first month's salary is given in advance to the family.

But you can establish a profile of the Filipino prostitute. When asked how old they are, they always say they are 18 to about 24. You look at their faces and bodies and many of them are minors. In fact, their ages really range from 14 up to 65. Sexagenarians are also in demand, although not as much as children in pre-puberty, whose sexual fluids are supposedly the fountain of youth.

They never tell you their real ages. Just as they never tell you where they come from and what are their real names. The names of the same persons even change every night.

At the very outset, here are women living a life of lies, lying to and fighting with others and lying even to themselves. You look into their eyes, and you see hurt and the woundedness of Filipino women without a positive self image, without a sense of self worth and without self respect. There is an identity crisis in each and every girl.

For who can accept such a sordid life in such a sordid profession?

Cebu is the oldest city in the country, the exact place where Portuguese navigator in the service of the Spanish crown, Ferdinand Magellan discovered the Philippines for the West. Mactan is where Lapulapu killed Magellan when he got involved in the rivalry between two native chieftains on April 27, 1521. Cebu is where the cross of Christianity was first planted and the Statue of the Santo Nino was given to the wife of Rajah Humabon, Hara Amihan, who was baptized and named Queen Juana.

And yet Baranggay Kamagayan in Cebu, is the oldest red light district in the Philippines.

Archival records speak of Kamagayan district as early as 1906. Periodical records report it as a prostitution district as early as 1920. And it is plausible, because most prostitution districts in the world, from ancient Greece up to today, are located at the piers or at the end of the train line. And Kamagayan used to be the end of the train stations.

Baranggay Kamagayan, which has a baranggay center and even a health center that displays prominently information on HIV AIDS and STD diseases, is composed of three blocks, bordered by the streets of Junquera, P. del Rosario, Jakosalem and Sanciangco. Junquera has been known as the street of prostitution as early as 1920.

Junquera is a one way street, but at night, taxis and cars can go against the traffic into the baranggay.

Demographically speaking there are about 42 casas or brothels, or prostitution dens here, with about 42 mamasans or den mothers. As of today, they have gone down to 35. They are called Ate by the girls, older women oftentimes dressed in dusters and playing cards through the night, or simply sitting around with fans in their hands.

There are about 60 to 80 pimps in one night, those who negotiate with the men for the girls. There are certain rules to follow in the negotiation. When a foreigner arrives in Cebu, the taxi driver may ask if the foreigner needs a girl for a night. If the guest agrees, he is brought into Kamagayan, really a slum or squatter area in the same taxi. The pimps cover the four streets, together with street watchers. The first pimp that the guest or taxi driver talks to owns the negotiation. So the pimps do not fight over the same commercial transactions.

The girls sit on plastic monobloc benches strewn all over the baranggay, in street corners, in front of houses or casas, and in the small unpaved plaza. I also sat on one of those plastic monobloc chairs, which is really a child’s chair!

When the taxi enters the small plaza clearing, the girls line up. There can be ten to twenty, or fifty to seventy girls in the choral line up. On heavy days, there can be two hundred fifty girls in many different line up. The cheaper girls are in the entry points of the baranggay. The more beautiful ones, the more expensive ones are inside the depths of the baranggay.

The headlights of the taxi flood over the girls in the line-up. Then the customer, inside the taxi, chooses his girl. The girl may go with the customer to his pension house, motel, five star hotel, beach resort, or rent any of the casa rooms or cubicles in the baranggay.

In a place called City Center, which is actually a market during the day, but turned into a prostitution house for the night, there are cubicles for rent for only twenty to thirty pesos short time. The cubicles are as small as a confessional box, with only a single mattress on the muddy floor, and the walls are made of thin unpainted plywood. You can hear whatever is happening inside.

The cubicle is the most nauseating sight that an advocate for women’s rights and against child abuses could ever see. Even I have never felt the same revulsion, when I saw the ancient excavated prostitution houses in Pompeii, Italy, with pornographic paintings on the walls, and chairs and beds based on stone.

How is RA 9262, the Law Against Violence of Women and Child Abuse, or R.A. 9208, the Law Against Trafficking of Women and Children applying in this case? The Philippines has 500,000 prostitutes in the whole country according to conservative estimate.

Nobody knows about R.A. 9208 among the girls. They imagine it as 69. They think that they are the most beautiful girls, from head to toes, and they even have the most beautiful female organ, said straight in the local dialect.

On ordinary days, there are 100, 300 to 500 prostitutes here in Cebu. One girl can cost from three hundred to five hundred pesos. But their cost can go down to a measly fifty pesos to one hundred pesos. The first class prostitutes, who in fact do not sit here or join the line, cost about fifteen thousand to seventy thousand pesos.

The official share of this payment from fifty pesos to five hundred pesos is twenty-five percent for the girl, twenty five percent for the pimp, and fifty percent for the mamasan.

The girls do not get their payment in cash, though. It is listed on paper, and used as debt payment for the food, lodging, clothing, make-up, medicine or even drugs that the girls are given. It is worse than five-six. If the girl has no customer, she is not given food. There are many days, when the girls complain that they have not eaten the whole day.

The girls are also forbidden to talk to strangers, even to the customers, and especially to social workers. They are fined when they are caught talking to strangers. The fine is charged against their earning.

Kamagayan is busy from eight thirty in the evening up to four thirty at dawn. Ironically, it is at dawn that the manangs of Cebu walk in a procession praying the rosary in Junquera street.

Traffic is heavy on certain days, especially paydays on the fifteenth and last day of the month, and when there is a convention in Cebu. Even charismatic conventions, interdenominational and all kinds of religion is no exemption

Most of the clients are construction workers in the lower bracket, teenage students, unfaithful husbands, businessmen, and foreigners in the upper bracket of the economic ladder. Most are male clients, but there can also be female customers.

The heaviest traffic is when American troops go on rest and recreation in Cebu. Then casas all over the country also congregate here. And they can buy whole casas from Luzon, or Visayas, or Mindanao and transport them over here

The Cinderella dream of each prostitute, like Pretty Woman, is to be rescued from this dungeon in a tower, by a knight in shining armor, preferably rich and handsome as Richard Gere. Some foreigners get them as live-in partners and promise them marriage To have a live-in prostitute is cheaper than to get a girl every night. For the customer pays only for food and gifts for the girl. But when the girl gets pregnant, she is sent out of the customer’s house, and even beaten up sometimes.

A fourteen or seventeen-year-old girl had already died, beaten up and stabbed by her customer in the casa. The tragedy lies not just on the meaninglessness of her death. But the fact that nobody knows her real name and where she comes from. Her relatives do not know what really happened to her and so she is buried incognito.

As I write this, I put to risk the lives of the girls, the social workers and even myself and my fearless editors. Because the knee jerk reaction of government after such a hard-hitting expose as this is to raid the red light district and imprison the girls and the pimps for vagrancy. The under the table fine is one hundred pesos. The real fine is one thousand pesos per girl. Never have they caught any owner or a prostitution lord. Never have they caught a client in the act.

The girls may be abused by their casa owners and even the police.

The girls will have no business for a few weeks and no food to eat.

Kamagayan, the red light district will be quiet.

President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo suggests the transfer of the Department of Tourism to Cebu. There are many direct flights to and from Cebu and other foreign countries. A proportion of any flight manifest from Manila consists of male foreigners and Filipino girls flying together on a three day vacation, but they are not related to each other. Nobody does a Julia Robert’s act here, pretending to be a niece of the companion.

In bus stations of well known sources of recruitment, a male/female recruiter usually travels with five minors, none of them his or her relatives. The children are also not related to each other. How do you stop them? Can you make a citizen’s arrest for intention to commit the crime of trafficking? What if they answer that they are just going on a field trip?

What is the country trying to sell?

Tourism or a pound of flesh

[size=-2]EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.[/size][/QUOTE]

Thank you for bringing some balance here to this discussion.

Happy mongering
Amavida

[Been There]

Thanks for that post WebConexxion. It exposes the underbelly of not just the Philippines but many nations. However the depiction of innocent girls lured to the city is a little dated. Well actually more than a little. Most of the working girls I have spoken with made a conscious decision to enter the 'profession' for a variety of reasons. From greed to the wish to educate their child. This sort of 'expose' focuses on a subgroup and is naturally inclined to believe the testimony of the girls themselves whilst admitting that most of them couldn't lie straight in a bed of a nighttime! It was a good read but a tad unbalanced, she certainly got it right though as to the complete lack of political will to prosecute the real criminals!

[Born Loser 5]

[QUOTE=WebConexxion]Since there has been a lot of posted recently about Junquera and Casa's so I thought I should post this article that in my humble opinion is VERY accurate.

Oldest Prostitution District in the Philippines

[I]I have to be a sexagenarian in order to be embedded in the oldest prostitution district in the country.

In my whole life of almost sixty years, twenty-five years of which were spent as a journalist, I have never really gone inside a red light district.

[/QUOTE]

The first few lines itself shows from where he comes...

Guys he has being a journalist all his life not a monger ..they have a different take altogether on what they see...."Do not go with the EMOTIONAL BLACKMAIL he is subjecting you to the plight of women working in Casa and bars in Cebu"

They have to write it this way to get the "ATTENTION" and evoke your softer side of mind.

I'm a monger and i have paid for sex in Cebu and so are lot of others in this thread...DO NOT TAKE THE WORD OF A JOURNALIST...they don't feel it real..they just observe it from a distance..

He sounds as if prostitution is a sin and we all should live in guilt forever...

Every f^^cking sad thing in a third world country has to be justified with 1 dollar a day crap..

Its so convenient for these writers and care takers to jolt down few lines and justify the sad state of women with poverty and club down every piece of
s hit in her life to 1 dollar a day problem.

Over the years we have seen these pathetic journos who have nothing better to do..but to showcase the plight of these prostitutes and make monger guilty of their sins and burn in hell..

With these kind of writing..prostitution will never come out of the shades and women will never be treated equal to men....all they do is see their plight..why couldn't they write something positive and accept the facts that.P4P is a reality..the oldest one infact and here to stay till the end of the world.

The very reason prostitution has not seen the light of the day..is because these kind of journos always ..see it with plight, sickness and poverty..why not make it a industry, legalise it, give insurance cover to women...

WHY THE F^^CK WOMEN ARE NOT TREATED EQUAL TO MEN and have to live under OUR SO CALLED PITY FULL SOCIETY..

He could have written about the scene in Cebu..combined with what positive could be made by legalizing, government support and insurance cover..but all he took was his two cent journo brain and club it up with the plight of women, sickness, poverty..those f^^^Cking damm cliche..that refuses to go in this information age..

and to top it all..the Editor agrees and wants this article to be posted in one of the distinctions..how sad..im sure..its not jackson but the moderator who has not even contemplated what this means to the very BASIS OF ISG.

ohh sure there are certain info's he has given about casa..but its shades over his real intention of showing women working in casa look sorry, pityfull, sick a ss women who are controlled by pimps and politicians,,yeah this works..and gets him browny emotional points from the reader..

The standard FXXCKING way to kill a monger with emotional distress looking at a women in casa.

Guys..You wanna know what casa is GO and F UCK the girls..spend time with them and if you really wanna digg deep into their life with YOUR HEART NOT WITH YOUR PEN..You will know the truth..

I have gone with girls from casa and its not that they are living in 7th hell..sure there are problems..but not worse than sweatshops in China and India.

Every girl i went with in Casa were as adventures and cool as any other girl i met..sure they wanna get out of Casa for a better living..BUT ITS NOT THAT>>THEY WILL DIE NOW if they don't get out...some of them will turn out to be mamasans which is a good thing....some of them go back to their home...

NO ONE IS FORCING THEM TO STAY>>THEY ARE FREE TO GO AND COME BACK AS AN WHEN THEY WISH AND DESIRE....Their life is no worse than girl working in a night shit at JollyBee.

They don't need our pity...It would have being way way much better..if their profession have got the respect they deserve for so long.

Folks..just go and enjoy Cebu and f %%ck as many girls you like...

Ultimately, they will be free as much as we will be..

[Australasia]

Originally Posted by WebConexxion

Since there has been a lot of posted recently about Junquera and Casa's so I thought I should post this article that in my humble opinion is VERY accurate.

Oldest Prostitution District in the Philippines

[I]I have to be a sexagenarian in order to be embedded in the oldest prostitution district in the country.

In my whole life of almost sixty years, twenty-five years of which were spent as a journalist, I have never really gone inside a red light district.The first few lines itself shows from where he comes.

Guys, he has being a journalist all his life not a monger. They have a different take altogether on what they see. "Do not go with the EMOTIONAL BLACKMAIL he is subjecting you to the plight of women working in Casa and bars in Cebu"

They have to write it this way to get the "ATTENTION" and evoke your softer side of mind.

I'm a monger and I have paid for sex in Cebu and so are lot of others in this thread. DO NOT TAKE THE WORD OF A JOURNALIST. They don't feel it real. They just observe it from a distance.

He sounds as if prostitution is a sin and we all should live in guilt forever.

Every fucking sad thing in a third world country has to be justified with 1 dollar a day crap.

I am a mongerer and I p4p. I have also lived in the P I off and on for a total of almost 3 years in a comming and going kind of a way. I didn't find webconexxions remarks pathetic at all. In fact I think he was very accurate in most what he stated. And if you think he is a "goody two shoes" for saying it then perhaps you are the pathetic one for not being able to accept reality as it is. I mean it's not going to stop me from p4p and certainly it won't stop you from it either. But for crying out loud don't try and paint a picture that it is not as bad as he says it is for most of these girls because it really is. And pathetic Losers Like you and I take advantage people and the poverty. I mean we can try and take all these different takes on it and justify all we do and say about it, but the reallity is they do it because they have precious little other choice in many cases.

[Mattrick]

[QUOTE=Born Loser 5]and to top it all..the Editor agrees and wants this article to be posted in one of the distinctions..how sad..im sure..its not jackson but the moderator who has not even contemplated what this means to the very BASIS OF ISG.[/QUOTE]
Nice rebuttal but the suggestion to post this article in the "Reports Of Distinction" thread is computer generated and has nothing to do with the moderator and/or editor. My comments on this subject will follow.

[Web Connect]

[QUOTE=Born Loser 5]The first few lines itself shows from where he comes...

Guys he has being a journalist all his life not a monger ..they have a different take altogether on what they see...."Do not go with the EMOTIONAL BLACKMAIL he is subjecting you to the plight of women working in Casa and bars in Cebu"

They have to write it this way to get the "ATTENTION" and evoke your softer side of mind.

I'm a monger and i have paid for sex in Cebu and so are lot of others in this thread...DO NOT TAKE THE WORD OF A JOURNALIST...they don't feel it real..they just observe it from a distance..

He could have written about the scene in Cebu..combined with what positive could be made by legalizing, government support and insurance cover..but all he took was his two cent journo brain and club it up with the plight of women, sickness, poverty..those f^^^Cking damm cliche..that refuses to go in this information age..

and to top it all..the Editor agrees and wants this article to be posted in one of the distinctions..how sad..im sure..its not jackson but the moderator who has not even contemplated what this means to the very BASIS OF ISG.

ohh sure there are certain info's he has given about casa..but its shades over his real intention of showing women working in casa look sorry, pityfull, sick a ss women who are controlled by pimps and politicians,,yeah this works..and gets him browny emotional points from the reader..

The standard FXXCKING way to kill a monger with emotional distress looking at a women in casa.

Guys..You wanna know what casa is GO and F UCK the girls..spend time with them and if you really wanna digg deep into their life with YOUR HEART NOT WITH YOUR PEN..You will know the truth..

I have gone with girls from casa and its not that they are living in 7th hell..sure there are problems..but not worse than sweatshops in China and India.

Every girl i went with in Casa were as adventures and cool as any other girl i met..sure they wanna get out of Casa for a better living..BUT ITS NOT THAT>>THEY WILL DIE NOW if they don't get out...some of them will turn out to be mamasans which is a good thing....some of them go back to their home...

NO ONE IS FORCING THEM TO STAY>>THEY ARE FREE TO GO AND COME BACK AS AN WHEN THEY WISH AND DESIRE....Their life is no worse than girl working in a night shit at JollyBee.[/QUOTE]I have been following your posts since you got to Cebu... and I guess you may need some more time to really know what is going on...

Have you been to Junquera and got out to walk into the shanty town ? The only posts I have read from you are mostly from your experiences in the bars and KTVs.

What Casa's have you been to ? Happy Valley Gate 3 ? Capitol ? Well those are the more established Casas and do get some girls to Manila, Singapore or Japan. But talk to most girls that do go .. never really make any money because they have so much to pay back from being over charged with flights, houses, food and even drugs.

Have you been to any of the other less known casas ? Casas that are more like shabu houses ?

There is a darker world that you may have yet to experience.... You may not agree with everything that write wrote, but once you have been in the Philippines longer. You may see the sun is not alwasys shining for everyone.

[Born Loser 5]

[QUOTE=WebConexxion]I have been following your posts since you got to Cebu... and I guess you may need some more time to really know what is going on...

Have you been to Junquera and got out to walk into the shanty town ? The only posts I have read from you are mostly from your experiences in the bars and KTVs.

What Casa's have you been to ? Happy Valley Gate 3 ? Capitol ? Well those are the more established Casas and do get some girls to Manila, Singapore or Japan. But talk to most girls that do go .. never really make any money because they have so much to pay back from being over charged with flights, houses, food and even drugs.

Have you been to any of the other less known casas ? Casas that are more like shabu houses ?

There is a darker world that you may have yet to experience.... You may not agree with everything that write wrote, but once you have been in the Philippines longer. You may see the sun is not alwasys shining for everyone.[/QUOTE]


I'm sorry man...I forgot to mention my post was not intended towards you..but to the journalist.

I have being to Hanavalley area 3, and few other places which my taxi driver took me....Its not as bad as the journalist projected it to be..

Trust me...I'm from a third world country and if u ever come to Mumbai kamathipura area which houses nearly 100,000 thousand prostitutes and supposedly the biggest ***** house in whole of Asia ..you will literally puke and curse all Indians the way these women live.

Our society faces the hardcore moral dilemma's as, what to do with prostitution and for worse, keep it under wrap from even debating these issues.

These high bred Indians have banned dance bars in the name of morality and projected India as a high moral society and made the life of girls worse, they are literally begging in the streets and committing suicides in numbers.

And there are not enough journalist back home wanting to exploit the plight of these girls and take it to their advantage for higher circulation...

We had a big debate six months back in Mumbai forum...when one of the journalist exposed a bar were girls were soliciting with customers inspite of the ban from government on dance bars.

Exactly, an year before the same paper criticized the government move to ban dance bars and taking away livelihood of girls working in the bars, cos that was the hot topic at that time.

These journos have no feelings but one intention anywhere on planet and thats just gaining more circulation.

These papers have lots of petition against killing dogs or some drainage issues..they post full page ads on how dogs are being killed mercilessly by municipal authorities..but when it comes to legalizing prostitution..they just shut it off.

And we should not be surprised that the article was written by a Filipino .

Why blame the mafia, cops and criminals for exploiting women in these areas..when our society itself is inept to confront these hardcore issues.

We need more empowerment of women...we don't need P4P to be banned..just legalize it, pass the laws and give them insurance cover..these criminals and mafia will run away from these girls.

The moment Casa's are banned in Cebu, most the girls will beg on the streets or commit suicide.

Atleast, Thai society has some balls to tolerate P4P but not yet legalizing it...still the girls are somewhat free ..

The reason i did not post articles on Casa was, my style of P4P was going down on a bar, watching the show, drinking to loose consciousness and then taking the girl home :)..its the whole routine that i like.

When i went to Casa.....they said they had their first Indian ever and were surprised to see me..i was dead drunk and gave lots of tips to the girls who were curious to see dead drunk guy selecting girls when finding it hard to stand on two feet.

Its just the forceful guilt that kills P4P folks like me and i need my mind to be unconscious to just get rid of the added misery these Journalist write.

Folks..Do not abandon the Casa's or bars..Just because of the heartless societies inept hypocritical moral high ground attitude towards P4P and then some Journos hijacking the sad cause..

If we too stay away from these places due to the forceful guilt enforced upon by the society....These places will soon die taking all women along with it.

[Web Connect]

[QUOTE=Born Loser 5]I'm sorry man...I forgot to mention my post was not intended towards you..but to the journalist.

I have being to Hanavalley area 3, and few other places which my taxi driver took me....Its not as bad as the journalist projected it to be..

And we should not be surprised that the article was written by a Filipino .

Why blame the mafia, cops and criminals for exploiting women in these areas..when our society itself is inept to confront these hardcore issues.

We need more empowerment of women...we don't need P4P to be banned..just legalize it, pass the laws and give them insurance cover..these criminals and mafia will run away from these girls.

The moment Casa's are banned in Cebu, most the girls will beg on the streets or commit suicide.

Atleast, Thai society has some balls to tolerate P4P but not yet legalizing it...still the girls are somewhat free ..

The reason i did not post articles on Casa was, my style of P4P was going down on a bar, watching the show, drinking to loose consciousness and then taking the girl home :)..its the whole routine that i like.

Its just the forceful guilt that kills P4P folks like me and i need my mind to be unconscious to just get rid of the added misery these Journalist write.

Folks..Do not abandon the Casa's or bars..Just because of the heartless societies inept hypocritical moral high ground attitude towards P4P and then some Journos hijacking the sad cause..

If we too stay away from these places due to the forceful guilt enforced upon by the society....These places will soon die taking all women along with it.[/QUOTE]So then I assume you have been to Junquera and seen exactly what the journalist wrote ? What exactly do you find incorrect ? I disagree with the numbers but those change month to month. Everything else written (IMO) is accurate.

Please don't try to compare India and Thailand, they may also be poor countries but the are NOT predominate Catholic countries. You may not agree with the catholic religion, but it is the thread that holds together the Philippines and gives the people hope.

The Casas do not make their money from walk up customers, they make their money from sending girls to Japan, Singapore, Hong Kong. So you don't have to worry... they are not going anywhere.

The cheap P4P scene is not going anywhere either as long as there is poverty and now even more Shabu. Which is making things a lot more dangerous. Have you ever seen someone on Shabu ? Have you seen a innocent girl from the province and then a year later see the same girl after what Shabu has done.

Do you think Shabu should be made legal also ?
Should Shabu be taxed and regulated ?

I ask this because it is not journalists that are ruining the cheap P4P scene... it is shabu.

[Web Connect]

[QUOTE=Been There]Thanks for that post WebConexxion. It exposes the underbelly of not just the Philippines but many nations. However the depiction of innocent girls lured to the city is a little dated. Well actually more than a little. Most of the working girls I have spoken with made a conscious decision to enter the 'profession' for a variety of reasons.[/QUOTE]So I assume you have been to Junquera and those are the girls you have spoke with ? That article was about Junquera, not the Mango bars or girls working in KTVs.

[Sxxxx]

You can not enjoy life or mongering , if you worry about what other people think.

If what your doing does not harm/upset others , do it.

[Web Connect]

[QUOTE=Mortman]X Man,

What I meant was taxi drivers don't like taking people to Honkera simply because they lose the large percentage that they would have added on,had they brought the girl to the customer rather than taking the customer direct to the girl.[/QUOTE]I disagree... ( IMHO ) most taxi drivers do not like.

[Web Connect]

[QUOTE=Mortman]X Man,

What I meant was taxi drivers don't like taking people to Honkera simply because they lose the large percentage that they would have added on,had they brought the girl to the customer rather than taking the customer direct to the girl.[/QUOTE]I disagree. (IMHO) most taxi drivers do not like taking people to Junaqura becuase it is dangerous for them. Taxi drivers get robbed there and even shot. Read the newpaper every day and there is alwasys news about a shooting or jeepney being held up by armed robbers in that area.

Taxi drivers will think if you are going there you are a cheap charlie for wanting to go there, so they don't think it is worth the risk for the 5 peso tip.

If a taxi driver is going to go through the trouble of bringing a girl to a customer. That he deserves something for his trouble. But why would anyone want to order a girl sight unseen. If you are too lazy to leave your hotel room. They for sure you can afford to pay for that service.

[Been There]

[QUOTE=WebConexxion]So I assume you have been to Junquera and those are the girls you have spoke with ? That article was about Junquera, not the Mango bars or girls working in KTVs.[/QUOTE]Actually no, I have not been to Junquera and only spent a few days in Cebu total but I have spoken with 100's of women all around Philippines and had sex and longer term relationships with many of them,working and not, whilst there, including some from Visayas.

The depiction of poor farmers who sincerely believe their daughter is off to work as a nanny or cultural dancer has been going around for at least a quarter of a century that I know of. Do you think that because they are poor they are really that stupid? In all that time not one girl has made it back to her family to expose the truth? And the remotest barrio has had access to mass media for over 20 years too! I attended a farewell party for a girl who was heading to Japan as a 'cultural dancer.' She came back 18 months later and built a 2 story house. The entire barrio knew she was working as a prostitute there but of course no one said it openly in public. But there were jokes behind closed doors, as I say poor does not equal stupid. That was in 1993 and there have been other girls from that place who after seeing how much house 18 mths 'cultural dancing' could build them, have headed off to Japan too - eyes wide open as to what they will be doing when they get there. One even got really lucky and found a reasonable Japanese guy to marry.

There is no doubt that some girls feel 'forced' into prostitution by their families or through their circumstances, but in my experience they are a minority and the degree of pressure put on them is questionable. Speak to the many girls eking out a living as waitresses or office/factory workers throughout the Philippines about the so-called 'plight' of working girls there and the response invariably is the Tagalog equivalent of "YEAH! Right!!" They are mature enough to realise that ultimately we all have to take responsibility for our own actions and that includes the working girls. I have spent time in regional centres like Bacolod, Butuan, CDO, Puerto Princesa, Dagupan, etc, as well as the tourist destinations like Ermita, Angeles and Puerto and always sampled the local fare. I have never met or slept with a girl in 'forced' prostitution there. Of course many have sad stories but so do the waitresses! More coffee please! If you REALLY believe they are helpless victims then you should be ashamed of yourself for taking advantage. And while I have visited some questionable establishments in various states of inebriation, often with locals, I would never 'do the deed' in a cubicle such as you describe, not in Cebu or anywhere else for that matter. IMHO the degradation cuts both ways.

As to the drug scene - that actually is part of my professional practice here dealing with addicts and their families. And without giving too much away, I was young when I first arrived in Philippines and I have first hand knowledge of Shabu and it's effects. It's nickname 'poor mans cocaine' is reasonably apt and like cigarettes and alcohol it is highly addictive. However it triggers aggression in some people, including me, and I stopped using it at the time mainly for that reason. Pilipino friends warned me I might wake up dead if I wasn't more careful when I was 'high' but I couldn't control it. And of course as with any illicit drug the quality is extremely questionable. I dont think legailising it anywhere is the answer, the only way to tackle these problems is through education and the medical treatment of existing addicts who genuinely wish to change their behaviours. For you guys reading this forum heading to Philippines become informed on the signs to look for that the girl you are considering taking back for some p4p is 'high' or shows signs of agitation or undue restlessness. Addicts are the same everywhere, she may well like you but she probably likes the drugs more and if you give her the opportunity she will depart with your dollars. It is actually reasonably easy to pick them out and using Shabu does not suddenly turn them into demons, it would just increase my level of alertness and if I felt it necessary I would be blunt. NO drug use when she is with me, no carrying drugs if we are together and no drug addict sob story - been there done that.

So I claim no knowledge of Junquera at all except for the excellent reports here on this forum but I can't believe it is so different to elsewhere in the Philippines. Similar to another member who posted in this thread my three years in Philippines was spread over some years, sometimes I'd stay a month and sometimes six or seven months. I think to really understand any place you have to speak the language but particularly so in Philippines. As is common throughout Asia, Pilipino's will tell you what they think you want to hear - in English! You gain a great deal of respect for a sincere attempt to learn even a little Tagalog - hey guys it costs you nothing but a dictionary and some time, and the good news is Tagalog is almost always pronounced as it is written, making memorising words much easier. And you do see a different side of the country if you become fluent.

Another general tip to any chess players reading this forum - many a good experience there for me began with a game of chess, I always carry a small chess set there as chess is like the national game and most Pilipinos play, including some of the ladies! A good ice breaker if you are so inclined. So happy hunting to all, remember people are much the same all over - they want respect and to be treated as equals. Not as victims or as objects to be masturbated into! As some posters here with much more 'worldwide' experience than me have eloquently expressed Pinay ARE hot! Most love sex if they are comfortable with the guy and he treats her right. It's not your technique it's your attitude that will make the difference.

[size=-2]EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.[/size]

[X Man]

Well, if you're going to make this assertion, please reference at least one report of such crimes. I only read the Cebu newspaper when I'm in Cebu and occasionally read the SUN online, but I don't remember seeing what you have described.

Also, I've been downtown at night and seen plenty of taxis. I've never taken a taxi to pick up ladies though. I imagine it may be a bit unsettling for the drivers to sit there idling while people gather around the car to do what is an illegal business.

Well, if anyone is in Cebu, there is one way to find out. Ask your taxi driver what he thinks about going to Jonquerra.

X

[QUOTE=WebConexxion]I disagree. (IMHO) most taxi drivers do not like taking people to Junaqura becuase it is dangerous for them. Taxi drivers get robbed there and even shot. Read the newpaper every day and there is alwasys news about a shooting or jeepney being held up by armed robbers in that area.

Taxi drivers will think if you are going there you are a cheap charlie for wanting to go there, so they don't think it is worth the risk for the 5 peso tip.

If a taxi driver is going to go through the trouble of bringing a girl to a customer. That he deserves something for his trouble. But why would anyone want to order a girl sight unseen. If you are too lazy to leave your hotel room. They for sure you can afford to pay for that service.[/QUOTE]

[Sxxxx]

Yes , over 30yrs of calling in to Jonquerra from time to time , for the fun factor , ie , chaos on arrival in the 'basketball court' area , and not for selecting chicks , and usually when I am inebriated , I found the taxi driver enjoyed the experience just as much as I did. He too thought it was fun , girls and pimps scampering towards the car etc.

I never felt unsafe there , but at night , I did not wander away from my taxi or driver either. Day time you can wander all you like , I consider it relatively safe. As I get older I do not have the patience for the pimps and pestering that goes along with that area , but as for safety , do not fret too much guys , its ok.

It's a little bit of the Philippines everyone should experience , turning up at Jonquerra say 8pm- 11pm in a taxi and experience the interest shown in you and your dollars. Some mal nourished and sad looking girls there though. Spoils the experience some times. Better fun experiences elsewhere.

Nothing ventured , nothing gained. Jonquerra at night is a must see , if only once in your life time.

[Web Connect]

[QUOTE=Been There]Actually no, I have not been to Junquera

As to the drug scene - that actually is part of my professional practice here dealing with addicts and their families. And without giving too much away, I was young when I first arrived in Philippines and I have first hand knowledge of Shabu and it's effects. It's nickname 'poor mans cocaine' is reasonably apt and like cigarettes and alcohol it is highly addictive. However it triggers aggression in some people, including me, and I stopped using it at the time mainly for that reason. Pilipino friends warned me I might wake up dead if I wasn't more careful when I was 'high' but I couldn't control it. And of course as with any illicit drug the quality is extremely questionable. I dont think legailising it anywhere is the answer, the only way to tackle these problems is through education and the medical treatment of existing addicts who genuinely wish to change their behaviours. For you guys reading this forum heading to Philippines become informed on the signs to look for that the girl you are considering taking back for some p4p is 'high' or shows signs of agitation or undue restlessness. Addicts are the same everywhere, she may well like you but she probably likes the drugs more and if you give her the opportunity she will depart with your dollars. It is actually reasonably easy to pick them out and using Shabu does not suddenly turn them into demons, it would just increase my level of alertness and if I felt it necessary I would be blunt. NO drug use when she is with me, no carrying drugs if we are together and no drug addict sob story - been there done that.

So I claim no knowledge of Junquera at all except for the excellent reports here on this forum but I can't believe it is so different to elsewhere in the Philippines. Similar to another member who posted in this thread my three years in Philippines was spread over some years, sometimes I'd stay a month and sometimes six or seven months. I think to really understand any place you have to speak the language but particularly so in Philippines. As is common throughout Asia, Pilipino's will tell you what they think you want to hear - in English! You gain a great deal of respect for a sincere attempt to learn even a little Tagalog - hey guys it costs you nothing but a dictionary and some time, and the good news is Tagalog is almost always pronounced as it is written, making memorising words much easier. And you do see a different side of the country if you become fluent.[/QUOTE]That article I posted what about Junquera. So lets not generalize the entire Philippines.

The whole Colon street/ downtown area is much different from the rest of Cebu. Of course you can find other area's in Manila and other big cities.

Shabu is a bigger problem now in the downtown area than it was in 1993. Back in 1993 it was only rugby users. You advice is very good about the drug scene here. If anyone is looking for drugs the downtown Colon area is a good place to look. Right in front of the SunStar building you can find sketchy looking people that can be more than helpful for a small tip.

Learning Taglog is an excellent idea and even better is Bisayan if you plan to spend a lot of time in the downtown Colon area. Less educated people in that area are not even that good in Tagalog. Bisayan is learned at home and spoken by everyone in Junquera.

[Web Connect]

[QUOTE=X Man]Well, if you're going to make this assertion, please reference at least one report of such crimes. I only read the Cebu newspaper when I'm in Cebu and occasionally read the SUN online, but I don't remember seeing what you have described.

Also, I've been downtown at night and seen plenty of taxis. I've never taken a taxi to pick up ladies though. I imagine it may be a bit unsettling for the drivers to sit there idling while people gather around the car to do what is an illegal business.

Well, if anyone is in Cebu, there is one way to find out. Ask your taxi driver what he thinks about going to Jonquerra.

X[/QUOTE]Yes it is best to ask people in Cebu about the downtown Colon area. Ask pinoys why they don't want to go there and if they are young they will say .. I do not want to be mistaken for Alpha Kappa Rho(Akrho) or Tau Gamma Phi. If they are a bit older ... they will say they don't want to be mistaken by a vigilante. Ask a foreigner living in Cebu and most will say they would rather pay John and Chris or Graham the bar fine.

If you want to go downtown a good place to start is Our Place ( drinking expat bar ), Tina's Darkest and Bottom up. From there you can find some more places with warm San Migs and no air con. Then even have the girls go to City health every time there is a shake down.

Understand that a lot crimes never are reported to the police. If a police report was made it would go something like this....

Question: What did he look like ?
Answer: He was Pinoy.

Question: What color hair did he have ?
Answer: Brown

Question: What color eyes did he have ?
Answer: Brown.

Question: How tall was he ?
Answer: Around 5' 5"

Question: What was he wearing ?
Answer: Hat, T-shirt, Shorts, Sandals.

Police: ok we will make a police sketch and if you want you can give a reward to the person who gives us any info.

[Born Loser 5]

[QUOTE=WebConexxion]So then I assume you have been to Junquera and seen exactly what the journalist wrote ? What exactly do you find incorrect ? I disagree with the numbers but those change month to month. Everything else written (IMO) is accurate.

Please don't try to compare India and Thailand, they may also be poor countries but the are NOT predominate Catholic countries. You may not agree with the catholic religion, but it is the thread that holds together the Philippines and gives the people hope.

The Casas do not make their money from walk up customers, they make their money from sending girls to Japan, Singapore, Hong Kong. So you don't have to worry... they are not going anywhere.

The cheap P4P scene is not going anywhere either as long as there is poverty and now even more Shabu. Which is making things a lot more dangerous. Have you ever seen someone on Shabu ? Have you seen a innocent girl from the province and then a year later see the same girl after what Shabu has done.

Do you think Shabu should be made legal also ?
Should Shabu be taxed and regulated ?

I ask this because it is not journalists that are ruining the cheap P4P scene... it is shabu.[/QUOTE]


The journalist is just beating the old drum which has being dead for years now>> the pathetic condition of prostitutes around the world and topping that comparing everything in their life with 1 dollar.

The condition that he descirbes has not changed or will change unless some government regualation is brought into...

However, the place i went had Air Con and a big hall with mirror and sofa around. was too drunk to notice other things :)

The way he writes, he is comparing with the standards of western country or like KFF clubs in germany to be the same as in Cebu.

Nobody will come to Cebu if we have same price as in the west to make high end brothels.

Tell me, if catholic churches are the threads that binds philliphines..why haven't they come up with any solution for prostitution for the last 100 years now.

The churches are supposed to take the misery away right? so why not in this case..why is the society always turns around when it comes to prostitution.

Its not only Christianity, but hindus, buddhist, muslims all turn their eye when it comes to empowering and uplifting of women.

Regarding Shabu, there is no co-relation at all...we know even rich people who are not bounded with anything take drugs in philiphines and around the world.

It would then justify marijuana consuption in US cos they are not bounded by anything so they are pleased to do everything they want and compared to the GDP of US to Philiphines, Marijuana is cheaper or equal to Shabu.

[Born Loser 5]

[QUOTE=Been There]Actually no, I have not been to Junquera and only spent a few days in Cebu total but I have spoken with 100's of women all around Philippines and had sex and longer term relationships with many of them,working and not, whilst there, including some from Visayas.

The depiction of poor farmers who sincerely believe their daughter is off to work as a nanny or cultural dancer has been going around for at least a quarter of a century that I know of. Do you think that because they are poor they are really that stupid? In all that time not one girl has made it back to her family to expose the truth? And the remotest barrio has had access to mass media for over 20 years too! I attended a farewell party for a girl who was heading to Japan as a 'cultural dancer.' She came back 18 months later and built a 2 story house. The entire barrio knew she was working as a prostitute there but of course no one said it openly in public. But there were jokes behind closed doors, as I say poor does not equal stupid. That was in 1993 and there have been other girls from that place who after seeing how much house 18 mths 'cultural dancing' could build them, have headed off to Japan too - eyes wide open as to what they will be doing when they get there. One even got really lucky and found a reasonable Japanese guy to marry.

There is no doubt that some girls feel 'forced' into prostitution by their families or through their circumstances, but in my experience they are a minority and the degree of pressure put on them is questionable. Speak to the many girls eking out a living as waitresses or office/factory workers throughout the Philippines about the so-called 'plight' of working girls there and the response invariably is the Tagalog equivalent of "YEAH! Right!!" They are mature enough to realise that ultimately we all have to take responsibility for our own actions and that includes the working girls. I have spent time in regional centres like Bacolod, Butuan, CDO, Puerto Princesa, Dagupan, etc, as well as the tourist destinations like Ermita, Angeles and Puerto and always sampled the local fare. I have never met or slept with a girl in 'forced' prostitution there. Of course many have sad stories but so do the waitresses! More coffee please! If you REALLY believe they are helpless victims then you should be ashamed of yourself for taking advantage. And while I have visited some questionable establishments in various states of inebriation, often with locals, I would never 'do the deed' in a cubicle such as you describe, not in Cebu or anywhere else for that matter. IMHO the degradation cuts both ways.

As to the drug scene - that actually is part of my professional practice here dealing with addicts and their families. And without giving too much away, I was young when I first arrived in Philippines and I have first hand knowledge of Shabu and it's effects. It's nickname 'poor mans cocaine' is reasonably apt and like cigarettes and alcohol it is highly addictive. However it triggers aggression in some people, including me, and I stopped using it at the time mainly for that reason. Pilipino friends warned me I might wake up dead if I wasn't more careful when I was 'high' but I couldn't control it. And of course as with any illicit drug the quality is extremely questionable. I dont think legailising it anywhere is the answer, the only way to tackle these problems is through education and the medical treatment of existing addicts who genuinely wish to change their behaviours. For you guys reading this forum heading to Philippines become informed on the signs to look for that the girl you are considering taking back for some p4p is 'high' or shows signs of agitation or undue restlessness. Addicts are the same everywhere, she may well like you but she probably likes the drugs more and if you give her the opportunity she will depart with your dollars. It is actually reasonably easy to pick them out and using Shabu does not suddenly turn them into demons, it would just increase my level of alertness and if I felt it necessary I would be blunt. NO drug use when she is with me, no carrying drugs if we are together and no drug addict sob story - been there done that.

So I claim no knowledge of Junquera at all except for the excellent reports here on this forum but I can't believe it is so different to elsewhere in the Philippines. Similar to another member who posted in this thread my three years in Philippines was spread over some years, sometimes I'd stay a month and sometimes six or seven months. I think to really understand any place you have to speak the language but particularly so in Philippines. As is common throughout Asia, Pilipino's will tell you what they think you want to hear - in English! You gain a great deal of respect for a sincere attempt to learn even a little Tagalog - hey guys it costs you nothing but a dictionary and some time, and the good news is Tagalog is almost always pronounced as it is written, making memorising words much easier. And you do see a different side of the country if you become fluent.

Another general tip to any chess players reading this forum - many a good experience there for me began with a game of chess, I always carry a small chess set there as chess is like the national game and most Pilipinos play, including some of the ladies! A good ice breaker if you are so inclined. So happy hunting to all, remember people are much the same all over - they want respect and to be treated as equals. Not as victims or as objects to be masturbated into! As some posters here with much more 'worldwide' experience than me have eloquently expressed Pinay ARE hot! Most love sex if they are comfortable with the guy and he treats her right. It's not your technique it's your attitude that will make the difference.

[size=-2]EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.[/size][/QUOTE]

Man..You really Being There in Cebu :)...Din't know..Chess is a past time in the philiphines. This time would definately pack some words of tagalog as you described the benifits. :D

[Web Connect]

[QUOTE=Born Loser 5]However, the place i went had Air Con and a big hall with mirror and sofa around. was too drunk to notice other things :)

Tell me, if catholic churches are the threads that binds philliphines..why haven't they come up with any solution for prostitution for the last 100 years now.

The churches are supposed to take the misery away right? so why not in this case..why is the society always turns around when it comes to prostitution.

Regarding Shabu, there is no co-relation at all...we know even rich people who are not bounded with anything take drugs in philiphines and around the world.

It would then justify marijuana consuption in US cos they are not bounded by anything so they are pleased to do everything they want and compared to the GDP of US to Philiphines, Marijuana is cheaper or equal to Shabu. [/QUOTE]

The Casa you describe sounds like Gate 3 (big hall with mirror and sofa around ). What other Casas have you been to, to be able to say that article and the way the journalist describe them is false. If you where to drunk to remember... then how can you say the article is not accurate.

The reason why I brought up the Catholic church is because you tried to compare the Philippines to Thailand and India. If you have'nt noticed it is already prostitution is regulated in the RP. Being devout Catholics is what makes the girls so honest and sweet. Compared the heartless Thai girls.

Shabu has a lot to do with the P4P scene because that is what the girls in Junquera are working for. They are not trying to put rice on their families table or pay for their brother school tuition. Try to keep a shabu girl over night... and she won't sleep at all. She will be sitting there waiting for you to pay her so she can leave to get a hit of shabu.

Read what Sxxxx said... he was there 30 years ago... he has seen the girls..

[QUOTE=Sxxxx]Many-mal nourished and sad looking girls there though. Spoils the experience some times. Better fun experiences elsewhere.[/QUOTE]If you don't think Shabu is changing the scene in downtown. They you are blind. MJ is a totally different drug. Shabu is hardcore. Have do you tried it yet? How can you compare MJ with Shabu?

I read your posts. And I still think you need to spend more time in Cebu to know the culture. If you really plan to live there for sure you should be taking Bisyan lessons. NOT tagalog.

How many yuppies have you picked up at Paseo and how many Koreans have you picked up at Pump. I ask that because a few months ago you where telling everyone how easy it was!

[X Man]

Gentleman, the Jonquerra thread is getting old real quick. If you have more details /info to add, that would be great. If you're just arguing about whether it is paradise or a hellhole...well, I for one have heard enough.

Someone mentioned the bar "somewhere else". It's a good starting point if you want a few beers, some food, some info...

This area is dirty and poor. Some people associate that with danger. Well, if you look afraid, the dogs will chase you.

There is the dragon dufus who once wrote that downtown Davao was dangerous. Some poeple are afraid of poverty. If you are, give the Philippines a skip.

X

[Born Loser 5]

[QUOTE=WebConexxion]The Casa you describe sounds like Gate 3 (big hall with mirror and sofa around ). What other Casas have you been to, to be able to say that article and the way the journalist describe them is false. If you where to drunk to remember... then how can you say the article is not accurate.

The reason why I brought up the Catholic church is because you tried to compare the Philippines to Thailand and India. If you have'nt noticed it is already prostitution is regulated in the RP. Being devout Catholics is what makes the girls so honest and sweet. Compared the heartless Thai girls.

Shabu has a lot to do with the P4P scene because that is what the girls in Junquera are working for. They are not trying to put rice on their families table or pay for their brother school tuition. Try to keep a shabu girl over night... and she won't sleep at all. She will be sitting there waiting for you to pay her so she can leave to get a hit of shabu.

Read what Sxxxx said... he was there 30 years ago... he has seen the girls..

If you don't think Shabu is changing the scene in downtown. They you are blind. MJ is a totally different drug. Shabu is hardcore. Have do you tried it yet? How can you compare MJ with Shabu?

I read your posts. And I still think you need to spend more time in Cebu to know the culture. If you really plan to live there for sure you should be taking Bisyan lessons. NOT tagalog.

How many yuppies have you picked up at Paseo and how many Koreans have you picked up at Pump. I ask that because a few months ago you where telling everyone how easy it was![/QUOTE]

Everything has to be measured up to the western standard....if it does not fit in with western lifestyle just change it...

I'm coming from India and probably you are from west..so we have different take on the standard of living.

I bet you haven't being to India and visited kamathipura..the largest w hore house in asia and also Dharavi..the biggest slum in Asia with a population of 3 million equivalent to the population of entire new zealand.

If you visit these places...you will know Cebu for people coming from my place is a paradise..

For you, it may be very hard to digest, as you expect to pay cheap p **ssy and also want greater standard of living like west..

And what on earth is picking up girls in paseo has to do with casa ..perhaps you are taking the discussion too personally ...i had already mentioned how my experience was in paseo and how i picked up girls but did not felt like going all the way..

Though i faced prejudice from Filipinos at first as im Indian..i was able to adapt quickly and melt in.

It is all relative...Whatever i experienced in Cebu is a bonus for me...though we may experience it differently due to our background

[Billpsu]

Can you give precise directions to the bb court. I believe I was there a long time ago, just want to check my memory.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Sxxxx]Yes , over 30yrs of calling in to Jonquerra from time to time , for the fun factor , ie , chaos on arrival in the 'basketball court' area , and not for selecting chicks , and usually when I am inebriated , I found the taxi driver enjoyed the experience just as much as I did. He too thought it was fun , girls and pimps scampering towards the car etc.

I never felt unsafe there , but at night , I did not wander away from my taxi or driver either. Day time you can wander all you like , I consider it relatively safe. As I get older I do not have the patience for the pimps and pestering that goes along with that area , but as for safety , do not fret too much guys , its ok.

It's a little bit of the Philippines everyone should experience , turning up at Jonquerra say 8pm- 11pm in a taxi and experience the interest shown in you and your dollars. Some mal nourished and sad looking girls there though. Spoils the experience some times. Better fun experiences elsewhere.

Nothing ventured , nothing gained. Jonquerra at night is a must see , if only once in your life time.[/QUOTE]

[Web Connect]

[QUOTE=Born Loser 5]

I'm coming from India and probably you are from west..so we have different take on the standard of living.

For you, it may be very hard to digest, as you expect to pay cheap p **ssy and also want greater standard of living like west..

And what on earth is picking up girls in paseo has to do with casa ..perhaps you are taking the discussion too personally ...i had already mentioned how my experience was in paseo and how i picked up girls but did not felt like going all the way.[/QUOTE]The only thing western about me is my education and business experience. I am not from the west. I am not sure how you came up with that assumption.

I could care less about the cheap pussy. That is not the reason why I would be in Cebu. If you ever sober up you will realize Cebu has some of the best beaches in the Philippines and also snorkel and diving. The pussy is just a bonus but is not the main reason. When I am in Cebu I am home. I am Phamily.

The reason why I brought up your experience at Paseo is because this is an information website. It should provide other members good information. Your information is misleading to a new reader.

You agree that you fu*ked up your job and that information is very valuable to someone who would like to come to Cebu to work or start a business. Your expertise is what readers should NOT do when it comes to working in Cebu.

Being in Cebu and spending most of your time drunk does not make you an expert in Bisayan culture. But you seem to think because you are from a poor county like India you know it.

If you want to live in Cebu and make it your home. Get out see the province, the real beauty is 3 feet under the water. Learn the basics of Bisayan. Go to St. Nino. Eat some balut and lechon baboy. It won't matter the color of your skin, your accent or what country you are from. You will start to understand what it is to be Phoreigner/Phamily rather than Foreigner/Family.

I would assume if you feel you are party of the monger community in Cebu than I guess I will be seeing you all the Christmas parties. If you are not. See you at Sinalog. Hopefully someday we can have a basic conversation in Bisyan.

[Sxxxx]

Correct directions , gleaned from another website are as follows , I quote :

"The 'Basketball' entrance in P. Del Rosario Street , almost opposite the 'Sun Star' newspaper office , or alternatively , opposite Super Mario Bakeshop c/r P. Cui & P Del Rosairo Sts". I have tested those directions and found them to be correct.

You would only need that info if you are walking to the Basketball Court. Taxi drivers know it without directions. If me , I would not walk towards that area after 9pm. Full display of girls 8-9pm anyway.

Even before taxi arrives at actual basketball court , its fun , a circus , young pimps running along with your car calling out 'girls , girls' , lol.

[Born Loser 5]

[QUOTE=WebConexxion]The only thing western about me is my education and business experience. I am not from the west. I am not sure how you came up with that assumption.

I could care less about the cheap pussy. That is not the reason why I would be in Cebu. If you ever sober up you will realize Cebu has some of the best beaches in the Philippines and also snorkel and diving. The pussy is just a bonus but is not the main reason. When I am in Cebu I am home. I am Phamily.

The reason why I brought up your experience at Paseo is because this is an information website. It should provide other members good information. Your information is misleading to a new reader.

You agree that you fu*ked up your job and that information is very valuable to someone who would like to come to Cebu to work or start a business. Your expertise is what readers should NOT do when it comes to working in Cebu.

Being in Cebu and spending most of your time drunk does not make you an expert in Bisayan culture. But you seem to think because you are from a poor county like India you know it.

If you want to live in Cebu and make it your home. Get out see the province, the real beauty is 3 feet under the water. Learn the basics of Bisayan. Go to St. Nino. Eat some balut and lechon baboy. It won't matter the color of your skin, your accent or what country you are from. You will start to understand what it is to be Phoreigner/Phamily rather than Foreigner/Family.

I would assume if you feel you are party of the monger community in Cebu than I guess I will be seeing you all the Christmas parties. If you are not. See you at Sinalog. Hopefully someday we can have a basic conversation in Bisyan.[/QUOTE]


I agree, I have less experience in Cebu but from what i experienced, I just love this place..I mean i mean it..so when i read the tone of journalist as the same as back home in India...i thought not here too bro hijacking the plight.

Being a roman catholic myself, when i went to St. Nino, i had a completely different experience, it has a completely different aura in itself like the whole of Philippines....being a spiritual enthusiast myself, i was astonished with the level of spirituality folks have here and to realize these guys have higher spiritual level than us.

I had never expected nor read anywhere about the spiritual aspect of Filipinos other than mongering and even if i do now Google search not much comes up on the spiritual front.

I was shaken on many different levels here as Im also from the school of tantra, sex & spirituality is ok in persuasion of one goals. but what i experienced here, was way higher than what i did back home in the name of spirituality.

As this is not an appropriate forum for this type of discussion, i had kept it out however, i will add, India has Yoga, Buddha, mantra, meditation and countless gurus as it's origin as the basis for spirituality but one will miss the true path and be incomplete without knowing the nector of spirituality that runs in the Philippines.

I'm planning hard to come before X'mas..hopefully will be there very soon.

[Scribe]

Last month I had my first ever trip to Cebu. I've got to say I was a bit disapointed overall. Perhaps because I've just visited Pattaya too, it bares poor comparison.
I was shocked at how shabby Cebu city was. The sidewalks and roads are in a shocking state of disrepair, there're whole familys of beggars around, poor street lighting and transportation. To me, not tourist-friendly at all. The beaches and resorts I visited weren't too great either.
I also found it a bit expensive compared with Thailand. I stayed at the Dynasty Tourist Inn, which cost about 800 pesos per night, then the Richmond Plaza which cost 1500 including a piss-poor breakfast. Hotels in Pattaya of the same standard would cost half the price, maybe a third.
The areas with girls seem to be crawling with good-for-nothing pimps. It also seems to be general practice here to pay for a girl's services beforehand, which is never a good idea.
Despite the above I still had a good time. On the plus side, the place is crawling with attractive women. They're mostly very friendly and slim, and if you like spinners, you're spoiled for choice. I found the bars on Mango avenue to be fun, and the girls inside very attractive. I also enjoyed walking around the Ayala Centre, and got a lot of eye contact there.
Anyway, I'll now post some more specific reports and photos of my Cebu experiences.

[Scribe]

On my first night, a stopped at a cluster of go-go bars on Mango Avenue. These included Eric the Red, BG Bar and Viking. I ended up chatting with this gal. 19 years old with overflowing cleavage. A mama came over and told me it would cost 1700 pesos (paid in advance) to take her for the night, so I jumped at that.
Even though my hotel was about 5 minutes stroll away, we had to get a taxi as it's so dark and dodgy outside. Once back at the hotel, we got down to business. Man, she was gorgeous when she got her kit off. What a rack! We made love, showered, then made love again. As we lay snuggling in bed she said she loved me. Oh yeah? Then she said she had to leave, as she needed to accompany her cousin, whose first day it was at the bar, back home.
Can't say I belived her, but away she went.

[Scribe]

I went back to the Sisters bar the next night. It had some smoking hot girls in there, but some rich local guy was inside (with his 2 bodyguards) buying endless drinks for all the girls, so they couldn't care less about me.
I asked the Mama how much it was for take out, and she said 1800 Pesos. When I remarked that it was cheeper at the bars next door, she chided me that I shouldn't care about a measly 100 pesos if I like a girl. That was me told.
I left and went to BG Bar. A lady hit on me, and was quite clingy without hastling me for drinks. She was a mum, but in good nick. I took her back to my hotel for 1700, where we had a few rounds in the sack. She stayed the night, and we had a pretty tasteless breakfast together

[Scribe]

A taxi driver told me that local guys get girls dirt-cheap from around the University of San Carlos. I later found out this is on Del Rosario street. I went to check the area out one day. I was approached numerous times by pimps, who quoted between 500 to 1500 for young "students".
One night I went drinking in Silva Dollar. It's quite a good go-go bar, but that night most of the girls there were most obviously mums. Not the prettiest of stomachs, thighs and breasts on display. The mama said to take a girl from there, you pay the bar 700, then later give the girl 1000. A better arangement than the Mango Avenue bars, but there were no ladies that could tempt me. I decided to wander down Osmena Boulevard to go near the university and try one of the "Students".
There were a few ladies standing around with pimps beside them, and lots of groups of young guys on the lookout. A pimp aproached me. He quoted 500 pesos, for 2 hours with a girl, including a short time hotel. Hard to belive, but I agreed. He asked me to follow him to a nearby bording house stocked with many girls. I didn't fancy following him anywhere, so told him he'd have to bring some to me in the street. He asked what I wanted, and I replied 'young and busty'
5 minutes later, he returned with 1 girl, plus another pimp. He asked for 600 pesos. Mesmerisedby the gal's cleavage, I handed it over. The other pimp asked for a tip. No chance.
The gal took my hand and lead me to a grotty short-time place a few minutes walk away. It was a right dump. She told me to pay 100 for the hotel. I didn't bother arguing with her. We got a hideous room, and she proceeded to take off her pants and lie back on the bed.
She was completely passive, doing nothing but lie there. I got a rubber out, put it on and then had my wicked way. As soon as I shot my muck, she began to dress. 2 hours, her pimp had said. More like 10 minutes.
Afterwards, as I was dressing, she asked me for 50 pesos for the condom. I said it was my condom, why should I pay. House rules, she countered.
I gave her the money and we left. She went her way, and I rushed back to my hotel for a thorough hot shower. Bit of a rip-off, all in all, but no harm done.
I've attached a map, and have highlighted the University area if anyone's interested.

[Scribe]

I went to the cluster of Norwegian owned bars on Mango Avenue, and went to the downstairs Viking bar. This place is huge compared with it's neighbouring bars. It has lots of pool tables and dozens of young wenches. I got chatting to a curvy barmaid, and found out that they are availa