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Slaol
11-03-10, 12:54
I am heading for BKK for some R&R next week. I have been visiting often but never tried the black ladies on Sukhumvit before. Any of you gentlemen have any experience with them? Would love to know.

ETP

Some of these girls appear ill at ease, making them somewhat uncooperative, miserable and the attitude in general is way below Thai standards. Who knows, give it a punt, you may meet the exception. Hopefully we get to read about your experience...good to sample some black ham for a change. Go back to Sept 09, believe i posted a FR about then.

LittleBigMan
11-03-10, 16:44
Some of these girls appear ill at ease, making them somewhat uncooperative, miserable and the attitude in general is way below Thai standards. Who knows, give it a punt, you may meet the exception. Hopefully we get to read about your experience...good to sample some black ham for a change. Go back to Sept 09, believe i posted a FR about then.

Personally, unless you enjoy the smell, get yourself a nose plug or some Vicks vapor rub to place inside your nostrel before you sample some black ham! You don't have to look far for your black ham as soon as you get to that side of Sukhumvitt the heavy smell of B.O. will lead you there!

LBM

Spider916
11-03-10, 17:40
Did never hear anything good about them.





I am heading for BKK for some R&R next week. I have been visiting often but never tried the black ladies on Sukhumvit before. Any of you gentlemen have any experience with them? Would love to know.

ETP

Spider916
11-03-10, 17:46
You had no choice but to pay since she stayed all night with you. Lots of (elder) lonely punters just barfine girls to have some company, without having sex. Don't believe me? Just ask around in the bars.

I guess she assumed that you were one of those. If you had aked her for sex, then she would probably have given you what you wanted. Only a few wild girls will take the initiative.



Liko others said, you should have not paid them anything. Or maybe just a modest 500baht for taxi and time. Anyway what you described is not common. It never happened to me and I don't know anyone to whom it happened. Sometimes they will try to leave early when supposedly doing "long time" and ask for long time price but normally they're realistic about their job. This is disrespectful and respect is important in Thailand. If they disrespect you you should also let them understand that they are not oing to be respected because otherwise they'll just think you are a fool paying them 3000 for nothing. Anyway, sorry to hear that. I'm sure it won't happen again.

Spider916
11-03-10, 17:51
Did not hear anything but certainly hope they would do a few real raids a day to kick all that scum out.



Was told last night by Bar-lady of LE swoop on the mostly black pros in Soi 5, Nana. She was quite smug about this:D Apparenlty most are in Thailand ilegally, black males(pimps) included. Any news of this?

Mouse1
11-03-10, 19:22
Did not hear anything but certainly hope they would do a few real raids a day to kick all that scum out.That's a little harsh. They don't do anything for me, but calling them scum is a little OTT, don't you think?

Anyway, I also heard that there had been a number of raids and pick-ups by the MiB, but last Saturday night they were all out in force as usual.

Mouse1
11-03-10, 19:24
You had no choice but to pay since she stayed all night with you. Lots of (elder) lonely punters just barfine girls to have some company, without having sex. Don't believe me? Just ask around in the bars.Absolutely. My regular gik has a thing for old men (myself excluded!), for whom one bonk a week is a big deal...

Rjsss212
11-03-10, 23:08
Frank woo fwar hasking na! I harv election ploblem floor wong time now na! Velly big fank woo to Cialis. Me velly happy na!

:-)

Well said!

Pg Zoomer
11-04-10, 04:41
You had no choice but to pay since she stayed all night with you. Lots of (elder) lonely punters just barfine girls to have some company, without having sex. Don't believe me? Just ask around in the bars.

I guess she assumed that you were one of those. If you had aked her for sex, then she would probably have given you what you wanted. Only a few wild girls will take the initiative.Yes, I paid her and maybe she did misunderstand since I didn't want sex when they first arrived in my room (I had already seen a couple girls earlier in the day). I don't think she was that into me at all, cause all night no cuddling or touching of any sort. I am 41 and not bad shape. The night before I had a really great girl who was very affectionate and warm and gave very good action twice. From the girls I saw and the discussions I had with some of them these girls are doing this job for the money and to have a better life. They told me they wouldn't be doing it if they had a choice. Maybe there is a connection from time to time but that might unique. Even when I visited Nataree massage they gave a great service but it was mechanical. Thanks to all for your feedback-I'm now back in Canada. Hope to visit Bangkok again some day.

Peter Lexton
11-04-10, 05:56
I am visiting from Jakarta and I am trapped at a conference in the wrong end of town. I am staying at the Princess Hotel on Lan Luang Road and I am desperate to find some action nearby for the few hours I have off. Maybe a Darling like spa somewhere in this neighborhood?

Please help,

Peter

Lifeingr
11-04-10, 12:39
I am visiting from Jakarta and I am trapped at a conference in the wrong end of town. I am staying at the Princess Hotel on Lan Luang Road and I am desperate to find some action nearby for the few hours I have off. Maybe a Darling like spa somewhere in this neighborhood?

Please help,

Peter

Hi Peter,

the closest place (you can even take a 15 minutes walk there) is Sao Botan. It is on Soi 13 Rama 6 road. Generaly it is a place with average girls (but sometimes you can be lucky and find a good star). Take a look at the map in the link below and you'll see that it is close to Princess Hotel
Google Maps: BKK Soapy MPs (http://maps.google.com.au/maps/ms?hl=en&gl=au&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=112522687346612693021.0004488989cf3827c091b&ll=13.754892,100.576229&spn=0.104878,0.162563&z=13)

From Princess you can also take a tuk tuk or taxi to the BTS (Ratcatewi or National Stadium) and then the options are expanded.

Global Surfer
11-04-10, 14:11
Arrived in Bangkok after 23 hours flight (13 hours flight plus 10 hours business only stay in Dubai). I was tired so went to Beer Garten in soi 7 and got pissed. On way back picked up a nice slim cute girl in front of Landmark hotel. The girl was well-spoken and had an excellent sense of humour. She had been to Singapore and Hong Kong on ‘business’ trips. After about an hour of interesting discussion I realized that I am talking to a lady boy. Unfortunately, the same happened in my previous trip. Probably, the reason is my obsession with tall girls and beer goggles.

Anyway, instead of accepting 200 BHT and leaving she insisted on taking my professional (not very professional in her case) advice. After spending another half an hour and 1000 BHT I finally manage to convince her that reconstructions surgery is not my speciality.

It was too late by that time so decided to call off the day and went to sleep.

Global Surfer
11-04-10, 14:12
Second night I went to CM2 (Novotel in Siam Square). Arrived at 11:20 paid BHT 650 (two drinks free but max BHT 220 each). It was almost empty with only a few men and very few local girls. It got reasonably filled by midnight. Compared to my previous visit about one year ago, it is down both in quantity and quality and the proportion of local girls has increased considerably. Rates were also lower from last when some of them were asking BHT 10000.
I saw two stunners but both of them were mad after a middle aged fat Asian guy almost half their height. (Not really half but definitely smaller than their shoulder). After waiting about half an hour, I tried to chat up a nice blond (dyed) Ukrainian. Not a stunner but sill ok and friendly. I was also unsure about her claim of being from Kiev as she was not aware of famous night spots like River Palace and Arena. Any way agreed on BHTt 5000 and back to the hotel. Very friendly and very active in bed. Stayed till morning and left with good tip.

Mealticket
11-04-10, 14:31
10000 5000 good tip.(to each his own of course but) these are some insane prices.

Crocodilexp
11-04-10, 18:34
blond (dyed) Ukrainian... claim of being from Kiev as she was not aware of famous night spots like River Palace and Arena. Any way agreed on BHTt 5000 and back to the hotel.

She's from Uzbekistan, almost all of them are. Ugly bunch too, and generally not too friendly or good in bed, I guess you lucked out. I came across a "Romanian" who didn't speak a word of Romanian, and also a Russian girl from Vladivostok with a green passport (Russian ones are red).

For the record, "Russians" (Uzbeks) in Rajah (Sukhumwit Soi 4) or Mike (Soi 3) hotel are 2500 for ST. Some of them look passable. The ones crawling around Grace (Soi 3) go as low as 1000 / shot (but 1500 is more typical). Of course, they'll try a higher asking price.

In Pattaya, it's 1500 firm for the same merchandise. I had one 1000 and a non-negotiable 2000 (but that was a 20 y.o. blue eyed slim hot one -- rare find). Not so great in bed, V well recommended.

On Sukhumwit Soi 7 (the tunnel), I once met a Thai freelancer (southern, tall) who went with me for 1500 LT. Turns out she's charging 5000 in CM2 for the same service. Unfortunately, this is a one-off find. Sukhumwit freelancer scene has gone down badly.

Usually, you don't pay the premium for the particular girl, but for the concentration of girls to choose from at a single venue.

When it comes to prices, for each his own. One individual can't really change the market of Bangkok or Pattaya size. With Thai girls, I'm happy to pay a bit more for good service (but I'd rather pay a good tip than promise upfront). With foreign hookers in Thailand it's bottom-basement negotiation, since their service will generally suck no matter how much you pay.

BionicMan
11-04-10, 19:23
(to each his own of course but) these are some insane prices.
Definetely above the high end
I would not even thought about tipping after such a list price
:)

NicFrenchy
11-05-10, 07:01
Well said!

Really? care to translate for us who don't speak Swahili?

NicFrenchy
11-05-10, 07:13
From the girls I saw and the discussions I had with some of them these girls are doing this job for the money and to have a better life. They told me they wouldn't be doing it if they had a choice.

Nonsense!! They love what they are doing and only 1 out of 5 guys pays them money. :D

Starchild2012
11-05-10, 08:04
She's from Uzbekistan, almost all of them are. Ugly bunch too, and generally not too friendly or good in bed, I guess you lucked out. I came across a "Romanian" who didn't speak a word of Romanian, and also a Russian girl from Vladivostok with a green passport (Russian ones are red).

For the record, "Russians" (Uzbeks) in Rajah (Sukhumwit Soi 4) or Mike (Soi 3) hotel are 2500 for ST. Some of them look passable. The ones crawling around Grace (Soi 3) go as low as 1000 / shot (but 1500 is more typical). Of course, they'll try a higher asking price.

In Pattaya, it's 1500 firm for the same merchandise. I had one 1000 and a non-negotiable 2000 (but that was a 20 y.o. blue eyed slim hot one -- rare find). Not so great in bed, V well recommended.

On Sukhumwit Soi 7 (the tunnel), I once met a Thai freelancer (southern, tall) who went with me for 1500 LT. Turns out she's charging 5000 in CM2 for the same service. Unfortunately, this is a one-off find. Sukhumwit freelancer scene has gone down badly.

Usually, you don't pay the premium for the particular girl, but for the concentration of girls to choose from at a single venue.

When it comes to prices, for each his own. One individual can't really change the market of Bangkok or Pattaya size. With Thai girls, I'm happy to pay a bit more for good service (but I'd rather pay a good tip than promise upfront). With foreign hookers in Thailand it's bottom-basement negotiation, since their service will generally suck no matter how much you pay.

Great info Croc...I'm from India and most Asian's and Arabs are crazy about white skin and would happily pay a premium to fuck a blonde.....its just that they are rare here and we feel something different to have them..after a while though, we will also get bored and try something new as mongers are same everywhere :)...i think we need to go easy on CIS Russian girls, at least they bring in variety to BKK scene, never mind the higher price tag.

I have read from lots of mongers in German fkk and other places in Europe that...many pay a premium to go with Thai and Chinese girls and if the prices are fixed..Asian girls are always busy in euro land.

also, we need to stop debating about if you like Russian's why don't you go to Russia debate...the point has been talked to death...first, BKK is a big cosmo city..why not have as many Russian, German, American, Brazilian or Spanish girls as possible in one place...its easy for us and it brings in variety to a place.

There are many reason one cannot go to Russia or Europe, for me personally, i tried twice for Schezen visa and was denied entry to Germany, they thought i would be an illegal immigrant :D, then i tried Sweden and Netherlands and was denied entry...i will try it again this December and if the quality is as good as in FKK as they describe i may well be an illegal immigrant :). Regarding, Russian visa, forget it, it's almost impossible for Indian's to get a tourist visa as many have used the visa as a landing pad to go to Europe illegally..unless you are sponsored by corporate's it very difficult to go to Russia.

There may also be financial issues. If you happen to see someone eat Thai food in Los Angeles or London..would you go to him and throw his food away and say...why you eating Thai food in UK..why don't you go to Thailand instead.

I see lots of farangs eating fish and chips in pattaya..Do we go and stop them...agree, girls and food are not the same..but in the same yardstick..lets be fair to everything around us.

Believe me, for a regular working guy to go to Europe and fuck a blonde is a big deal..its not easy...its much easier if we find them in Thailand.

Thanks for the info again...the rant was not for you :) just a general post, as i feel, as in the past, if someone post anything about Russian girls...there comes a comment..if you like Russian girls why don't you go to russia :)

Rosco4444
11-05-10, 10:18
really? care to translate for us who don't speak swahili?

my no 1 messarge was thet mwaaaa was vellly happee thet zeearliss wes ere for urs to enjoy vecause of zee election probleems no?

au revoire

rosco zee zeearliss fan

Global Surfer
11-05-10, 11:17
I was in Siam square so decided to go to CM2 again. It was bit early and surprisingly no one at the door and no entry fee. Staffs were dressed for Halloween. Later I was told that they were charging BHT 899 for Friday, Saturday and Sunday as they were celebrating Halloween. I was in the bar at 22:27. I thought they start charging after 22:30 or 23:00 but the very next day I was proved wrong as they charged me BHT 899 at 22:10.
At that time there were only a few wgs. CIS usually start arriving after 23:30. It was not full even on Friday night; however the ratio was better after mid night and some very cute locals. Anyway tried to chat up a few girls. I found most of them friendly and happy to chat. However, I met a few Indians who reported serious attitude problem. An Uzbek asked him BHT 20,000 for short time. It surprized me as he was young nice looking Indian. He also told me that Novotel charge BHT2000 joiner fee.

Asked a Russian. She started from BHT 8000 but dropped to BHT 6000 but no DFK so decided to move on. CIS generally ask for 5K to 6K and locals 4k to 5k.
At about 1 am I met a blond ethnic Russian from Kazakhstan. She was very friendly and chatty although her English was poor. I asked her three times how much she wants but she just ignored my question. Later, I learned that she didn’t understand the question. After more than an hour she communicated through her friend, another cutie from Caucuses and with much better English that what is my plan. At the same time she also conveyed that she would only go for short time. It was late so decided to take her at BHT6000 for two hours.
Very chatty, friendly and very aggressive and an excellent session followed.

Global Surfer
11-05-10, 11:29
She's from Uzbekistan, almost all of them are. Ugly bunch too, and generally not too friendly or good in bed, I guess you lucked out. I came across a "Romanian" who didn't speak a word of Romanian, and also a Russian girl from Vladivostok with a green passport (Russian ones are red).

For the record, "Russians" (Uzbeks) in Rajah (Sukhumwit Soi 4) or Mike (Soi 3) hotel are 2500 for ST. Some of them look passable. The ones crawling around Grace (Soi 3) go as low as 1000 / shot (but 1500 is more typical). Of course, they'll try a higher asking price.

In Pattaya, it's 1500 firm for the same merchandise. I had one 1000 and a non-negotiable 2000 (but that was a 20 y.o. blue eyed slim hot one -- rare find). Not so great in bed, V well recommended.

On Sukhumwit Soi 7 (the tunnel), I once met a Thai freelancer (southern, tall) who went with me for 1500 LT. Turns out she's charging 5000 in CM2 for the same service. Unfortunately, this is a one-off find. Sukhumwit freelancer scene has gone down badly.

Usually, you don't pay the premium for the particular girl, but for the concentration of girls to choose from at a single venue.

When it comes to prices, for each his own. One individual can't really change the market of Bangkok or Pattaya size. With Thai girls, I'm happy to pay a bit more for good service (but I'd rather pay a good tip than promise upfront). With foreign hookers in Thailand it's bottom-basement negotiation, since their service will generally suck no matter how much you pay.


Thanks for great information. I am not really interested in white. My interest is tall and that is why I usually end up with whites or blacks. I have absolutely no problem going out with a tall Asian.
Personality is also very important for me. I know men talk is very different from women talk but still education helps (not always).

Pahllus Maximus
11-05-10, 12:06
You should be discreet about taping. I think Daddy is a bit harsh. If the girl makes a fuss, 10k baht will usually do the trick. Don't lose face, smile and be calm. I've got it down to a fine art, just make sure it is carefully and casually arranged, black on black or seemingly buried under a pile of clothes. Never had a problem.

These girls have no blushes, after sucking cock and being drilled everywhich way 3-8 times a day they are quite compliant and are not embarrassed, and it is merely a cash problem. My girl quite liked a full on anal for breakfast, and was affectionate afterwards, and I'm on the large size, even for Western girls who complain. Eden girls are very willing, I've got then lezzing out with me into them up to the hilt, etc. Sucking a cock to them with some hairy balls slapping their chin is like eating noodles, no big deal, no shame at all, why should there be ? The Eden girls and SOL can take whole, deep throat, and swallow. A lot of girls even like to see themselves spread eagled and full of cock in the mirror. That's why I love this place. 3-4 earth shattering explosions daily inside some cute and smiling girl, often with a sweet tiny pussy in my face if they have a friend, and face down ass up, their mouth in friend's pussy.

Some users like Asian Rain have close up shots that are very graphic. It makes for a nice reminder back in sex prison (USA).

Flmonger
11-05-10, 16:03
hello all,

i'm new to this board, but active in the usasg forums under the same screen name. i know how annoying it is when noobs come in looking for info, so i purchased a subscription just to show support for this forum. i hope i can get some good advice!

i'm staying at the aspen suites and have a couple of questions:

1- how far away is this from soi cowboy and nana? is it best to just take a cab there?

2- are katoeys really *that* hard to spot?

3- i noticed some reports on **** girls and "cards". to avoid possible legal problems, what is the protocol for id, and is it normal to ask them to produce it?

4- for lt, is there something that needs to be worked out with the hotel desk?

thanks for any help on this... i don't expect to get many replies, but any at all would be very helpful. i intend to report on anything that i find. thanks a lot, guys.

BKK Dreaming
11-05-10, 19:26
Thai Elections are this weekend,

are the bars open or closed ?

BK

Crypton
11-05-10, 22:32
hello all,

i'm new to this board, but active in the usasg forums under the same screen name. i know how annoying it is when noobs come in looking for info, so i purchased a subscription just to show support for this forum. i hope i can get some good advice!

i'm staying at the aspen suites and have a couple of questions:

1- how far away is this from soi cowboy and nana? is it best to just take a cab there?

2- are katoeys really *that* hard to spot?

3- i noticed some reports on **** girls and "cards". to avoid possible legal problems, what is the protocol for id, and is it normal to ask them to produce it?

4- for lt, is there something that needs to be worked out with the hotel desk?

thanks for any help on this... i don't expect to get many replies, but any at all would be very helpful. i intend to report on anything that i find. thanks a lot, guys.

1. i see aspen suites is on soi 2 sukhumvit. so it is very close to nana (which is on soi 4 - two blocks). soi cowboy is little further down. may be walkable if you are up for it during day time. night time you can take bts or motorcycle taxi. traffic on suk is bad all the time - regular taxi will take a long time.

2. depends on how good your gaydar is!!

3. rare to find **** girls in the usual pick up places. all thai adults have an id card. the trick is to figure out the thai calendar.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/thai_solar_calendar

4. most hotels in the area are girl friendly (not sure about aspen - never heard of it). the hotel desk with keep the girl's id card until she leaves after she is done with you. some hotels will call you and ask if it is ok to give the card back. some don't bother. nothing else to be arranged. if she does not have a card, they may not let her in.

Noclew
11-05-10, 23:27
4. Most hotels in the area are girl friendly (not sure about Aspen - never heard of it). The hotel desk with keep the girl's ID card until she leaves after she is done with you. Some hotels will call you and ask if it is OK to give the card back. Some don't bother. Nothing else to be arranged. If she does not have a card, they may not let her in.

Aspen Suites is GF. They do not check nor ask for ID.

BKK Dreaming
11-06-10, 00:26
Thai Elections are this weekend,

are the bars open or closed ?

BK

OOPS It looks like the elections were cancelled

I planned my trip months ago to miss them and I guess it worked !

Drink UP

BK

Sunlover2
11-06-10, 01:38
1. I see Aspen Suites is on Soi 2 Sukhumvit. So it is very close to Nana (which is on Soi 4 - two blocks). Soi Cowboy is little further down. May be walkable if you are up for it during day time. Night time you can take BTS or motorcycle taxi. Traffic on Suk is bad all the time - regular taxi will take a long time.Suk 2 to Suk 4 is one block really; given the odd/even setup.

Agree with taking the BTS to Soi Cowboy if it is raining or hot, but it only operates until midnight; and after midnight the traffic situation is much better. But If I picked up a lady on Soi Cowboy and was taking her back to Soi 2 I would take a taxi anytime of the day. Otherwise it is a leisurely 20~ minute walk.

SunLover

Mr Enternational
11-06-10, 05:19
At about 1 am I met a blond ethnic Russian from Kazakhstan. She was very friendly and chatty although her English was poor. I asked her three times how much she wants but she just ignored my question. Later, I learned that she didn’t understand the question. Damn I thought "how much" was the first thing in English that a working girl learned. If not, then it should be.

Franco Cozzo
11-06-10, 09:16
Pahllus: Do so many girls say no to pictures and video that it is worth using a hidden camera and the risk of possible jail time? This is an actual (as in not rhetorical) question.

Everyone: I had kind of assumed from reading posts that enough WLs said yes to video that anyone could get visual souvenirs by just continually asking if 'click-click is on the menu' - or maybe by having a tripod set up next to the bed, and discuss it when the lady is in your room.

Am I mistaken? Is it actually quite rare (or at least for those women you want to remember, and look at photos of later)?

Does offering an extra tip help convince many who are resistant at first (and how much)?

I don't think I morally agree with filming without consent, but had planned on coming back with some video for later perusal, and lots of pics for the forum, so morality may lose out in the end.

Global Surfer
11-06-10, 09:23
Unlike Dubai where most bars do not charge wgs and instead offer them a couple of free drinks, CM2 charge them the same amount as other guests. Usually BHT 650 and on Halloween nights BHT 899. This means that they have to spend 15% - 20% of their income in just entering the bar. Ratio in the bar is also not favourable for them.

This should have a few implications.
1 - Only stunners would attempt to come to the bar and even some of them have to go back empty handed.
2 - This should push the price up as they have to price in for unsuccessful attempts.
3 - They will be under pressure to get someone and cannot afford bad attitude.

However, in reality the quality was high but not that high and some of them have attitude problem. Also some A+ goes empty handed. According to the Russian they usually move to Spicy or Shock after 2am. However, she does not seem to worry too much about the high price in CM2.
I hope that some senior member may be able to shed some light on this issue.

Kumar Arun
11-06-10, 13:03
Great info Croc...I'm from India and most Asian's and Arabs are crazy about white skin and would happily pay a premium to fuck a blonde.....
Believe me, for a regular working guy to go to Europe and fuck a blonde is a big deal..its not easy...its much easier if we find them in Thailand. Well said Star. You nailed it right on head.

I'm going to LOS again in December and I'll be hunting for russians as my over night companions. And planning to visit soapies to taste Thai girls during day time.! Best of both the worlds!

Cheers

AK

Bkk Rookie
11-06-10, 13:43
i've stayed there, see answers inline, below.


i'm staying at the aspen suites and have a couple of questions:

1- how far away is this from soi cowboy and nana? is it best to just take a cab there?nana is a quick 10-min walk. it can seem longer if you are drunk, or doing a speak-no-english walk with your latest friend. it's about 2-300 meters to annie's soapy, turn right, and then 50-74 meters to soi 4. they have a tuk-tuk service that will drop you off, but not bring you back. tuk-tuks in front of nana entertainment plaza can be had for 100 thb, some down to 40thb if you explain how short the trip is. (just repeat soi 2 a number of times.)


2- are katoeys really *that* hard to spot?if you have to ask, then yes. lots of hints on spotting them can found here and on other ibbs. most you will spot right away, others will surprise you. if you are lucky the surprise will come before you get back to the aspen. here's a suggestion: nearly all women can bend their elbow beyond 180 degrees (ie, backwards) when extending their arm. nearly all man can not. if you never go out with a "girl" who can't extend past 180 then you've decreased your risk considerably.


3- i noticed some reports on **** girls and "cards". to avoid possible legal problems, what is the protocol for id, and is it normal to ask them to produce it?yes, it is normal. before you go with a girl ask two important id related questions: 1) you have id card? 2) okay you go hotel?

if the girl pushes for a short-time room to the point of refusing your hotel, especially one so close, then you should be careful.

you can diminish the risk of legal trouble by allowing the hotel to check and hold the id card. fwiw: somehow the thai police always know when to knock down the door to catch the tourist literally with his pants down. not all payoffs to the police come in the form of tea-money. don't make yourself someone elses bribe. lots of lovely ladies in their early twenties who have ids and need them because they look so young. you'll not go wanting.

remember this: 543. an easy sequence, no? look at the id, subtract 543 from the birth year and what's left is the western birth year.


4- for lt, is there something that needs to be worked out with the hotel desk?not at the aspen. heck, on tripadvisor some punter bragged about all the ladies he brought back with him to the aspen, and the management replied it was happy the guy and his friends felt welcome.

iirc (one year ago) as you enter the hotel a guard will ask you for her id. you can elect to waive him off, but you shouldn't. if the girl is in the game, the she knows the score and will not cry foul. you can also make a joke with the guard by asking "not ladyboy, yes? " ha-ha. call it a last line of defense.


thanks for any help on this. i don't expect to get many replies, but any at all would be very helpful. i intend to report on anything that i find. thanks a lot, guys.gl/hf

Bkk Rookie
11-06-10, 13:44
Aspen Suites is GF. They do not check nor ask for ID.My experience was different, re the ID cards, but that was last year. One could wave off the guard, but the presumption was to check and record the ID.

Perhaps they grew tired of this?

Bkk Rookie
11-06-10, 13:52
For the record, "Russians" (Uzbeks) in Rajah (Sukhumwit Soi 4) or Mike (Soi 3) hotel are 2500 for ST. Some of them look passable. The ones crawling around Grace (Soi 3) go as low as 1000 / shot (but 1500 is more typical). Of course, they'll try a higher asking price.Dude, them Uzbeks on Soi 4 are f-ing scary. They will cut a brother. They are some serious hard-core strange. I've seen them pick fights with falangs in the 7/11 across from the Rajah, seemingly "just because. " The check-out girls are always yelling at them about something or another. Run, run far.

Bkk Rookie
11-06-10, 13:54
Arrived in Bangkok after 23 hours flight (13 hours flight plus 10 hours business only stay in Dubai). I was tired so went to Beer Garten in soi 7 and got pissed. On way back picked up a nice slim cute girl in front of Landmark hotel. The girl was well-spoken and had an excellent sense of humour. She had been to Singapore and Hong Kong on ‘business’ trips. After about an hour of interesting discussion I realized that I am talking to a lady boy. Unfortunately, the same happened in my previous trip. Probably, the reason is my obsession with tall girls and beer goggles.

Anyway, instead of accepting 200 BHT and leaving she insisted on taking my professional (not very professional in her case) advice. After spending another half an hour and 1000 BHT I finally manage to convince her that reconstructions surgery is not my speciality.

It was too late by that time so decided to call off the day and went to sleep.She was working at the yellow umbrella sidewalk bar, right? The first one is ladyboys, the second has ladies.

Go to the second, ask for Bell.

Cyberspace
11-06-10, 14:58
...

Everyone: I had kind of assumed from reading posts that enough WLs said yes to video that anyone could get visual souvenirs by just continually asking if 'click-click is on the menu' - or maybe by having a tripod set up next to the bed, and discuss it when the lady is in your room.

Am I mistaken? Is it actually quite rare (or at least for those women you want to remember, and look at photos of later)?

Does offering an extra tip help convince many who are resistant at first (and how much)?

I don't think I morally agree with filming without consent, but had planned on coming back with some video for later perusal, and lots of pics for the forum, so morality may lose out in the end.

You're probably not mistaken and can find willing WL models with a little effort. I've taken pictures on previous visits some of which can be found in the Photo Gallery and/or it's archives. Don't know the law in Thailand, but it may well be that nudity is illegal, as is prostitution. LE doesn't seem to actively pursue, but some discretion may be advisable.

Being a tourist, I carry a camera with me at all times. If you're in Soi Cowboy as bars are opening at 4PM, you may find photo ops as I have. If the bar isn't crowded and you're the first customer, the girls may happily trade topless pics for the purchase of drinks. If you're the type of monger that gripes and groans at paying 1500 baht for ST, you'll probably choke and gag at the thought of paying for just pictures. The choice is yours, but I've found it to be good entertainment for the money.

You may also have likely success at Beergarden on Soi 7. Let the girl of choice know you're interested in ST AND pictures and she may not charge extra. From my experience no hidden cameras or deception is necessary. MPs tend to be more problematic, but not impossible with some discretion.

There's entirely too few honest and uncensored images of providers in the Thailand Photo Gallery. I'm hoping you'll share some of yours when you get the chance.

Kumar Arun
11-06-10, 16:18
However, in reality the quality was high but not that high and some of them have attitude problem. Also some A+ goes empty handed. According to the Russian they usually move to Spicy or Shock after 2am. However, she does not seem to worry too much about the high price in CM2.

I hope that some senior member may be able to shed some light on this issue.for me CM2 is "Da Place".

1. it gets crowded earlier (11.30PM)than many clubs - so u can pick up girls still fresh and have more fun time with them.

2. Good Music (do we really care about it when we are hunting..?

3. better quality gilrs than many clubs as well Grace junction

So c u at CM2 on 26/12.

Cheers,

Ak

Starchild2012
11-06-10, 16:39
Well said Star. You nailed it right on head.

I'm going to LOS again in December and I'll be hunting for russians as my over night companions. And planning to visit soapies to taste Thai girls during day time.! Best of both the worlds!

Cheers

AK

Good luck bro..yeah...BKK and Pattaya truly gives us a place to try it all at once....:)

Sammon
11-06-10, 17:06
You're probably not mistaken and can find willing WL models with a little effort. I've taken pictures on previous visits some of which can be found in the Photo Gallery and/or it's archives. Don't know the law in Thailand, but it may well be that nudity is illegal, as is prostitution. LE doesn't seem to actively pursue, but some discretion may be advisable.

Being a tourist, I carry a camera with me at all times. If you're in Soi Cowboy as bars are opening at 4PM, you may find photo ops as I have. If the bar isn't crowded and you're the first customer, the girls may happily trade topless pics for the purchase of drinks. If you're the type of monger that gripes and groans at paying 1500 baht for ST, you'll probably choke and gag at the thought of paying for just pictures. The choice is yours, but I've found it to be good entertainment for the money.

You may also have likely success at Beergarden on Soi 7. Let the girl of choice know you're interested in ST AND pictures and she may not charge extra. From my experience no hidden cameras or deception is necessary. MPs tend to be more problematic, but not impossible with some discretion.

There's entirely too few honest and uncensored images of providers in the Thailand Photo Gallery. I'm hoping you'll share some of yours when you get the chance.
There are some important aspects of taking and posting pictures in this forum. Most girls will agree for clothed pics and action pics that do not show their face. If you put clothed pic and action pic you can imagine the total pic.
I do not believe working girl pics need to be photoshopped to mask her identity. You are not posting it in facebook or any other easily accessible website.
On the other hand pics of normal girls can be posted here but hide the identity.

Cyberspace
11-06-10, 19:28
... pics of normal girls can be posted here but hide the identity.

Franco, I don't know you but I'm guessing you are or will be becoming an occasional visitor to Thailand and will be expending much time and finance in doing so. I would think it'd be a shame if you were buffaloed into taking less interesting "visual souvenirs" as a result of bad advice from this board. I may get some flack for saying this there does seem to be a local old hand cohort here that does whatever they can to discourage the taking and display of honest and uncensored provider images. One such old hand (probably NOT the one quoted above), had indicated that he lives and works in Thailand teaching students of which some were progeny of Thailand's elite. As you might imagine his pictures were heavily censored, and given his position I can respect this. But as a tourist this a bad attitude you need not adopt.

As far as posting here goes: THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT TO HIDE IDENTITY, AND THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT TO AVOID NUDITY. This is InternationalSexGuide and mongers as you and I will come here to get an honest view of what providers may be available. Kaintuck's images and mine should be examples of this already posted here. I'm hoping you'll help us out and post even better images when you come.

Flmonger
11-06-10, 21:33
You guys were a great help. I leave soon, and will keep in mind all that you have told me. Glad to hear that nana is so close!

One last question. If I take a tuk tuk or taxi to soi cowboy, do I just say "soi cowboy"?

Tiger 888
11-07-10, 02:33
Sammon, don't listen to this crap. Cyber means: There is no requirement to respect the girls in Thailand.

Barko
11-07-10, 05:12
THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT TO HIDE IDENTITY, AND THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT TO AVOID NUDITY.Nope, not on this board there isn't.

At the risk of getting seriously jumped on here, and at the risk of Jackson giving me the boot:

If the girl does not expressly indicate that it is OK to take her picture, there is a very distinct moral (read: legal) code that says that pictures taken secretly should not be shared with anyone IN PUBLIC. What you do in private is your own business, but this is the Internet, and this is ISG, just because it is a sex related board does NOT mean that it is a private vehicle to post surreptitiously obtained graphics and photography that might actually hurt someone. In most cases, it's better to err on the side of being more careful, yes?

Well OK: If you don't want to adhere to this idea, then I say you are nothing but a fucking girl on the rag, making excuses that everything is OK "because I want it that way". Real men don't do that shit. Period! (sic)

WTF: I have lots of hours of vids taken from a hidden HD video camera in my condo & hotel rooms. Do I tell the chicks that I have taken their pics? Fuck no. BUT: Do I post their faces here? Fuck no. Do I list their names here? Fuck no. Do I consider people that can't control themselves, that have to brag out their hidden shit on the open Internet, to be pimply faced smarmy trashed-out bum-fuck low-lifes. Fuck yes.

Dude: Get your own freakin' website, password protect it, encrypt the docs, and do that shit on your own. Seriously, it's really easy shit. Get real, and just do it. Hell, you could even just use something as lame as the 'usenet', that's even easier. Heh.

Word: I am not pontificating some moral doctrine here from on high, not hardly, I would be a total hypocrite if I were. But, to get some sort of snorty snickery razzberry chortle here on ISG, at other people's expense, is basically childish and retarded. You don't know who's life you may be destroying, now do you? Obviously, you really don't care about who it might be either, now do you? Therefore, you don't actually LIVE here, now do you?

Man up: Have fun, but don't fuck up other people's lives. Even if you ARE nothing but a dumbass tourist, and even if they ARE (to you) nothing but dumbass Thai.

Fuck it: I'm off to the beach, it's an insanely beautiful sunny day here in Phuket and I have to catch a plane to China tonight. C'ya.

Cyberspace
11-07-10, 05:28
... don't listen to this crap. ...I had honestly hoped this wouldn't devolve into a pointless flame war, but there are some important points that should be recognized in this discussion. For those that are open to reason I'd like to present them.

First, I can't see that taking pictures (even nude pictures) necessarily shows a disrespect for Thai women. It's certainly no more disrespectful than to barfine a woman for ST, LT, BBBJ, DFK or whatever, and I don't say this facetiously. WGs are engaged knowingly and willingly in a business usually to support their families. We the members of the InternationalSexGuide tend to unashamedly be the patrons their business. As I see it respect in a business transaction is shown by each side coming to an agreement and honestly following through on each's part of the bargain. Anyone that's followed this discussion will recognize that I don't advocate "hidden cameras" or "secret surveillance." If you've come to a mutual agreement with your model, THERE IS NO DISRESPECT INVOLVED.

Second, I can't know all the motivations involved in various ISG members trying to discourage the taking and display of uncensored and identifiable pictures of providers, though I have mentioned at least one in my previous posting in Bangkok Reports. But if you really consider my first point above, then you can be reasonably certain that RESPECT FOR THAI WOMEN IS NOT THEIR HONEST MOTIVATION.

Karaoke22
11-07-10, 08:24
Agree with barko,

Taking pictures is one thing.

Putting it on the internet without the girl knowing it (or knowing precisely the implications) is a completly different thing.

A girl should have a chance to start a new life if she wants without pictures of her staying for years in the internet in a monger's report.

Dreams
11-07-10, 12:12
i had honestly hoped this wouldn't devolve into a pointless flame war, but there are some important points that should be recognized in this discussion. for those that are open to reason i'd like to present them.

first, i can't see that taking pictures (even nude pictures) necessarily shows a disrespect for thai women. it's certainly no more disrespectful than to barfine a woman for st, lt, bbbj, dfk or whatever, and i don't say this facetiously. wgs are engaged knowingly and willingly in a business usually to support their families. we the members of the internationalsexguide tend to unashamedly be the patrons their business. as i see it respect in a business transaction is shown by each side coming to an agreement and honestly following through on each's part of the bargain. anyone that's followed this discussion will recognize that i don't advocate "hidden cameras" or "secret surveillance." if you've come to a mutual agreement with your model, there is no disrespect involved.

second, i can't know all the motivations involved in various isg members trying to discourage the taking and display of uncensored and identifiable pictures of providers, though i have mentioned at least one in my previous posting in bangkok reports. but if you really consider my first point above, then you can be reasonably certain that respect for thai women is not their honest motivation.
you purposedly miss the main point made by barko: that is that what is questionnable is not taking the pictures, but posting them in a public forum without their consent. as simple as that..
i fully agree with barko's points.
the only case where i think it is ok to post uncensored, full face pictures of wgs is when they have agreed formally to you doing so. it is part of the deal you must have with a wg, like any other. for instance, you would not have forced anal sex with a wg if she does not agree. that would be called "[CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123)". similarly you do not publish pictures of wgs without their consent. period.

Franco Cozzo
11-07-10, 12:57
This is InternationalSexGuide and mongers as you and I will come here to get an honest view of what providers may be available.

Yup, that is why i joined up - if all the faces/ acts were blurred I would probably have stuck to the no picture, text based forums, or not havebeen as compelled to get a paid subscription.


I'm hoping you'll help us out and post even better images when you come.

I am also hoping to do so. Hopefully i'll be posting here, in the Vietnam (mainly in Danang), Cambodia and Laos (if the opportunity presents) forums.

I would do the same for Melbourne Australia, except the only WL I know of where 'visual souvenirs' are OK charges AUS$300 an hour (wait - that would also be US$300 at the moment - hehe). She is also at least 10 years my senior (at least mid to late 40s), and has an annoying cockney accent, and seems to bareback a lot (not my thing for p(aid)4p)... though I may still go there if the urge compels me at a later date - so no flaming if I do upload pics and video at a later date. At the moment, non p4p are generally more camera friendly for me in Aus, but am looking forward to taking holiday snaps and giving back to the forum.

Franco Cozzo
11-07-10, 13:22
If the girl does not expressly indicate that it is OK to take her picture, there is a very distinct moral (read: legal) code that says that pictures taken secretly should not be shared with anyone

Hello Barko - firstly, I respect your posts, so hopefully I do not put you offside with this response. However, I was not asking about pictures taken secretly (I do not know whether I morally agree with doing that); instead I was asking about pictures that you get permission to take (and Cyber was responding to this).

I do take your point about then posting them on an internet forum (which it would be much harder to get meaningful consent for). For this though I would think that the only people who are going to see the photos are going to be fellow mongerers, so the net affect would be possibly more customers for the lady (I plan on seeking out particularly attractive WLs with good reviews from this forum when in SE Asia). It is not likely that the WL's mother is going to be cruising ISG and painfully searching through the photo galleries to then stumble across the pictures.

Traveler1234
11-07-10, 13:25
You purposedly miss the main point made by Barko: that is that what is questionnable is not taking the pictures, but posting them in a public forum without their consent. As simple as that..
I fully agree with Barko's points.
Call me old school but this makes perfect sense to me! Many eventually do get out of the business and lead a 'normal' life. Don't screw it up for them.


The only case where I think it is OK to post uncensored, full face pictures of WGs is when they have agreed formally to you doing so. It is part of the deal you must have with a WG, like any other. Period.Ditto

Tiger 888
11-07-10, 16:21
Call me old school but this makes perfect sense to me! Many eventually do get out of the business and lead a 'normal' life. Don't screw it up for them.
That was exactly my point. There is no problem to publish photos of any kind if the explicit permission is given. But only then. And I doubt this is true for most of the cases.

Blourghus
11-07-10, 21:22
First, I can't see that taking pictures (even nude pictures) necessarily shows a disrespect for Thai women. It's certainly no more disrespectful than to barfine a woman for ST, LT, BBBJ, DFK or whatever, and I don't say this facetiously. WGs are engaged knowingly and willingly in a business usually to support their families.


I thought that in Thailand pornography was more taboo than prostitution. So it might be a lot more degrading to be seen in a pornography video than just being seen in public with a foreigner. I can see how a lady going out with a guy can be seen as more as a escort/companionship, and lady-like, and what happens behind closed doors stays behind closed doors, always, just like any other relationships, except for porn stars, it is no different from marriage or regular going steady.

I've found about 9/10 Bangkok ladies agree to be photographed with clothes, and the camera goes off when the clothes come off. This is inline with my general expectations about privacy. There are cameras and videos going off constantly around the various entertainment districts so no lady who couldn't afford to be spotted in public with a foreigner would be there in the first place, BUT that doesn't mean actual sex act is public since it's in fact behind closed doors.

Globotto
11-07-10, 21:54
Hi
Thailand is not a good place to assimilate. Many jobs are forbiddon for foreigners. The elite have a tight grip on power thru the exclusive patronage system that also keeps most of the population exempt from any chance of being successfull. Even with that being said foreigners are looked down on by most of the population via xenophobia, brainwashing, lack of education and superstition that basically equates to foreigners being looked at as a dollar sign. I have seen many an xpat friend entangled in a relationship i.e marriage and business that only led to frustration and economical losses. Example if your gonna buy property or business in the name of your Thai partner consider it a gift with limited return or recoupment of your investment. I have done the math and discovered it best to continue to be single and string on your concubines thru nightly payment. Your first mistake is to take rights of ownership of local girl in a LTR. Have fun, be honest, pay them and set them free, they will be back again and again. Albiet there are exceptions those are few and far between or pressure cookers waiting to pop. If your already rich you will do just fine. Learning thai language on your own will assist you more than getting a english speaking Thai girl to be your guide.

El Frances
11-07-10, 23:10
Unlike Dubai where most bars do not charge wgs and instead offer them a couple of free drinks, CM2 charge them the same amount as other guests. Usually BHT 650 and on Halloween nights BHT 899. This means that they have to spend 15% - 20% of their income in just entering the bar. Ratio in the bar is also not favourable for them.

This should have a few implications.
1 - Only stunners would attempt to come to the bar and even some of them have to go back empty handed.
2 - This should push the price up as they have to price in for unsuccessful attempts.
3 - They will be under pressure to get someone and cannot afford bad attitude.

However, in reality the quality was high but not that high and some of them have attitude problem. Also some A+ goes empty handed. According to the Russian they usually move to Spicy or Shock after 2am. However, she does not seem to worry too much about the high price in CM2.
I hope that some senior member may be able to shed some light on this issue.

I would be more cautious about "stunners" in CM2 (I don't talk about Russians, it's a special "exotic" business so it's normal to be overpriced). A real stunner is still a stunner when she's nude and the light if on. Few CM2 girls pass this test, in my opinion. They have nice dress, nice make-up, but most of them are not worth the price. At least in Gogos you can check the body quality before...

Amjeck
11-08-10, 08:04
Hi
Thailand is not a good place to assimilate. Many jobs are forbiddon for foreigners. The elite have a tight grip on power thru the exclusive patronage system that also keeps most of the population exempt from any chance of being successfull. Even with that being said foreigners are looked down on by most of the population via xenophobia, brainwashing, lack of education and superstition that basically equates to foreigners being looked at as a dollar sign. I have seen many an xpat friend entangled in a relationship i.e marriage and business that only led to frustration and economical losses. Example if your gonna buy property or business in the name of your Thai partner consider it a gift with limited return or recoupment of your investment. I have done the math and discovered it best to continue to be single and string on your concubines thru nightly payment. Your first mistake is to take rights of ownership of local girl in a LTR. Have fun, be honest, pay them and set them free, they will be back again and again. Albiet there are exceptions those are few and far between or pressure cookers waiting to pop. If your already rich you will do just fine. Learning thai language on your own will assist you more than getting a english speaking Thai girl to be your guide.
Excellent post. I agree with all of it. This should be dubbed "Survival Guide To LOS"

Global Surfer
11-08-10, 09:53
for me CM2 is "Da Place".

1. it gets crowded earlier (11.30PM)than many clubs - so u can pick up girls still fresh and have more fun time with them.

2. Good Music (do we really care about it when we are hunting..?

3. better quality gilrs than many clubs as well Grace junction

So c u at CM2 on 26/12.

Cheers,

Ak


Unfortunately I have already left Thailand and probably will not be back for another year or two. My usual place is Dubai

Global Surfer
11-08-10, 09:55
She was working at the yellow umbrella sidewalk bar, right? The first one is ladyboys, the second has ladies.

Go to the second, ask for Bell.

Thanks for the information but I have already left BKK

Global Surfer
11-08-10, 09:57
I would be more cautious about "stunners" in CM2 (I don't talk about Russians, it's a special "exotic" business so it's normal to be overpriced). A real stunner is still a stunner when she's nude and the light if on. Few CM2 girls pass this test, in my opinion. They have nice dress, nice make-up, but most of them are not worth the price. At least in Gogos you can check the body quality before...


I agree with you. I used the word stunmner for two I saw in first day. There was such a que behind them that I was unable to speak to them. The first one I took, I will rate at 5/10 but attituce 9/10. The second one 7-8/10 but very good in bed. I know it is professionalisim.

Global Surfer
11-08-10, 10:22
I think it is soi 4 (I mean the soi opposite the soi Nana – Sukumvit). If you walk from Sukhumvit, Grace Hotel is about 5-10 minutes’ walk. There are many Arab and/or Indian hotels. Most of them displaying religious things on their big LCD screens.
Usually after 11 pm you may find fully covered girls (veil) sitting alone or as pairs with a bottle of Heineken and smoking shisha. These girls speak Arabic. I cannot speak Arabic so I cannot confirm whether they are native speakers or not. I was told that they are mostly Lebanese and Syrians but some also from UAE. Prices for me were 4k – 5k for short time. They are hot commodity there as Arab loves Arabic speaking, covered girls from their homeland and my hard earned cash is no match for oil rich Arabs. Some of them look very young. You may also find them and Uzbeks in Grace Hotel but the place is bit expensive. So if you are after Arabs give it a try

Rocksoff
11-08-10, 13:23
I know how annoying it is when noobs come in looking for info, so I purchased a subscription just to show support for this forum.

That's nice, but Jackson gets the money, not us. If you contribute a few good stories, that would be most appreciated.

Most things you ask have been discussed quite exhaustively. Use google maps to get distances down to the meter.

Rocksoff
11-08-10, 13:32
One last question. If I take a tuk tuk or taxi to soi cowboy, do I just say "soi cowboy"?

Yeah .. some more often-repeated advice .. tuk tuks are expensive unless you already know the way, and what you'd pay per taxi, and the parked taxis in front of tourist spots will try to rip you off: get a cruising taxi.

BionicMan
11-08-10, 15:35
Yeah .. some more often-repeated advice .. tuk tuks are expensive unless you already know the way, and what you'd pay per taxi, and the parked taxis in front of tourist spots will try to rip you off: get a cruising taxi.
As a foreigner going to soi cowboy they clearly know where you go...and what for and that you are ready to spend money
I always try to avoid that, mentioning Sukhumvit at th ecorner of soi...or something liek this
in a casual way like you are not interested to go INSIDE the scene
had a taxi drvier insisting on Nana car prk? nana plaza... I said Just take me to Sukhumvit soi 4 or soi 2 , period, I have to go to JW Marriott...but the walk as easier.
Quote the soi number and ask to be left at the corner just like you have an appointment there
less tendency to rip off
anyhow with taxi meter on..less rip off

Flmonger
11-08-10, 17:49
That's nice, but Jackson gets the money, not us. If you contribute a few good stories, that would be most appreciated.

Most things you ask have been discussed quite exhaustively. Use google maps to get distances down to the meter.Rocksoff,

I must have missed the part that talked about aspen suites and its proximity to nana. Also, I've tried google maps and it wasn't of much help.

Repeated thanks to those that actually helped me out.

Kumar Arun
11-09-10, 00:40
I think it is soi 4 (I mean the soi opposite the soi Nana – Sukumvit). If you walk from Sukhumvit, Grace Hotel is about 5-10 minutes' walk.

Usually after 11 pm you may find fully covered girls (veil) sitting alone or asMost of the russians you find in and around for me a big turn off,. Fat, bad attitude and that place can really make you run away from ruskies. Also the street business there causes quite a bit of traffic jam in the late nights. Yuck scene.!

CM2, Spark39, Bossy/Spicey are my hunting place for ruskies. This time around want to try bed supper club!

Darkman
11-09-10, 01:08
I think it is soi 4 (I mean the soi opposite the soi Nana – Sukumvit). If you walk from Sukhumvit, Grace Hotel is about 5-10 minutes' walk. There are many Arab and/or Indian hotels. Most of them displaying religious things on their big LCD screens.So a syrain women I am ashamed to admit that I would paid the 5000 for a short time. That would help be get one of my hardest country in my pussy of the world quest. Are you sure that they are there because last month went I was in town there was nope to be found, and the nana parking lot was dead also.

Rocksoff
11-09-10, 06:49
Also, I've tried google maps and it wasn't of much help.

Try just a bit harder. Here is a Google map link from the very end of soi 2 to Nana Hotel: bit.ly/dkVXsg . It includes turn by turn walking directions (right, and then right again).

I'm not trying to be mean or anything, but this is not obscure hard to find stuff.

Flmonger
11-09-10, 16:11
Try just a bit harder. Here is a Google map link from the very end of soi 2 to Nana Hotel: bit.ly/dkVXsg . It includes turn by turn walking directions (right, and then right again).

I'm not trying to be mean or anything, but this is not obscure hard to find stuff.Dude. Look up the actual address that someone who doesn't live in BKK would use for directions in google maps: http://bit. Ly/cpfDMM

I'm not trying to be a dick, but I'm about as familiar with the layout of Bangkok as I am Beirut.

Gwailo
11-09-10, 16:28
I think it is soi 4 (I mean the soi opposite the soi Nana – Sukumvit). If you walk from Sukhumvit, Grace Hotel is about 5-10 minutes’ walk.

Grace Hotel is on Soi 3.

Industrial
11-10-10, 22:15
So, I'll be arriving in BKK this Sunday, just before midnight.

Want to drop the luggage off at my hotel and hit the action without losing a night.

Will try the later bars (tunnel, bed, etc) but wanted to know if they're still good on a Sunday night- late into the night.

Gogo's close early- might try to check a few out before they close also.

Any Sunday night partakers want to chime in on the best action for this day?

TIA! I will be sure to report (with pics) during my stay.

Bkk Rookie
11-11-10, 05:01
Traffic along Sukhumvit is terrible at night. For those wanting to get to Nana and looking to avoid the taxi come-on, upsell, etc, if you ask a taxi for JW Marriott on Soi 2 you can save money and time. The drivers know the shortcut into JW parking lot, know they can get you in and out without losing money stuck in traffic and are less likely to try to sell you on their sponsored bar or massage parlor.

A friend preached this to me for years and I ignored it. Now, it's a standard play and has worked very well for me. Wished I would have converted earlier.


As a foreigner going to soi cowboy they clearly know where you go. And what for and that you are ready to spend money I always try to avoid that, mentioning Sukhumvit at th ecorner of soi. Or something liek this in a casual way like you are not interested to go INSIDE the scene had a taxi drvier insisting on Nana car prk? Nana plaza. I said Just take me to Sukhumvit soi 4 or soi 2, period, I have to go to JW Marriott. But the walk as easier. Quote the soi number and ask to be left at the corner just like you have an appointment there less tendency to rip off anyhow with taxi meter on. Less rip off

Bkk Rookie
11-11-10, 05:16
You guys were a great help. I leave soon, and will keep in mind all that you have told me. Glad to hear that nana is so close!

One last question. If I take a tuk tuk or taxi to soi cowboy, do I just say "soi cowboy"?Yes, you can just say "Soi Cowboy" and away you go.

Some survival hints:

1) Always demand the driver use the meter. They all understand the word "meter. " If he takes off and refuses to use the meter, ask to get out. That failing, pay him whatever you want when you get to your destination and dare him to call the cops. 100 baht is a long-long taxi ride.

2) Soi Cowboy is open every night. Don't let the driver tell you otherwise. Don't let him take you some other place. Get a gander of a photo of Soi Cowboy, with all the neon signs, so you know he took you to the right location.

3) If the driver wants to come inside with you, you are at the wrong location. He is seeking a commission.

4) Consider taking the BTS to Soi Cowboy. Walk from Nana Entertainment to the Nana BTS station, ride the train to Asoke (one-stop) and then walk as if you're going to connect on the subway. Go through the metal detectors and go down into the sub station, however, instead of taking the final escalator to the trains, come up the other side, (Two up-escalators) and turn right 20 meters. It can save a lot of time when traffic is bad. Or, just walk the miracle mile that is Sukhumvit. If you want to experience the touts, walk on the odd Soi side, if you want less hassle, walk on the even side. (I'm a fat old bastard and I walk damn near everywhere, so it's not so bad.)

GL/HF

Bkk Rookie
11-11-10, 05:26
Agree with barko,

Taking pictures is one thing.

Putting it on the internet without the girl knowing it (or knowing precisely the implications) is a completly different thing.

A girl should have a chance to start a new life if she wants without pictures of her staying for years in the internet in a monger's report.Well stated. These ladies make our dreams come true for the cost of modest dinner in the states. Let's not shatter their dreams of someday retiring from the game with "face" intact.

Yes, everyone in their home village knows how they can afford to take care of their family and buy a nice house, but decorum requires they pretend they don't. A photo destroys that facade.

Cyberspace
11-11-10, 07:53
Well stated. These ladies make our dreams come true for the cost of modest dinner in the states. Let's not shatter their dreams of someday retiring from the game with "face" intact.

Yes, everyone in their home village knows how they can afford to take care of their family and buy a nice house, but decorum requires they pretend they don't. A photo destroys that facade.

I see the discussion of pictures has come up yet again. As usual the most important key points are deliberately ignored by the local Bangkok cohort that sanctimoniously rails against adult photography. These ladies are in business and will negotiate for modeling just as they will for other services. Let's not pretend that it's surprising that they'll often prefer to weather the effects of photons reflected off them being captured by a camera, as opposed to another round of being ravaged up the ass by a potentially HIV loaded penis. I'm sure that after this cohort is done congratulating themselves for saving faces that neither want nor need their help, they'll be going right back to their usual routines of publishing names, addresses, (also likely phone numbers and email addresses in private messages), and a full list of prices and services of all the "faces" they'd protect from photographs.

Bkk Rookie
11-11-10, 08:31
I see the discussion of pictures has come up yet again. As usual the most important key points are deliberately ignored by the local Bangkok cohort that sanctimoniously rails against adult photography. These ladies are in business and will negotiate for modeling just as they will for other services. Let's not pretend that it's surprising that they'll often prefer to weather the effects of photons reflected off them being captured by a camera, as opposed to another round of being ravaged up the ass by a potentially HIV loaded penis. I'm sure that after this cohort is done congratulating themselves for saving faces that neither want nor need their help, they'll be going right back to their usual routines of publishing names, addresses, (also likely phone numbers and email addresses in private messages), and a full list of prices and services of all the "faces" they'd protect from photographs.No railing, especially against pornography, of which I am a fan.

I should have been more clear. I oppose posting photos of ladies who didn't know (1) the photos were being taken, or (2) they would be shared on the Internet.

I'm asked at least once a month by some lady or another to search to see if any photos of her are up on the net. These ladies really worry about it, mostly because they are lookers and know their photos make good trophies.

That is my simple point.

Bkk Rookie
11-11-10, 08:50
Try just a bit harder. Here is a Google map link from the very end of soi 2 to Nana Hotel: bit.ly/dkVXsg . It includes turn by turn walking directions (right, and then right again).

I'm not trying to be mean or anything, but this is not obscure hard to find stuff.This pretty clear map. Just follow the bright green line. For positional context, as you exit the Aspen, you will want to turn left to follow the line. When you get to Annies Soapy, turn right and walk down the side street, it's open to foot traffic. That side street t-bones Soi 4. Turn left, walk 100 meters or so to Nana Entertainment Plaza. You'll see it when you get there.

My suggestion.

Go around 5 pm and sit in one of the open air bars near the entrance. Big Dogs is my favorite. Watch the talent coming to work. Ignore the girls in the bar (or not, up to you) and just get acclimated. It's a lot of fun.

Were I you, my first stop in Nana would be Mandarins at around 8pm. Go up the escalator, then past the touts to walk UPSTAIRS to the second floor of the Mandarin bar. Early in the night are loads of girls. Small and young in one dance shift (topless) and tall and exotic in the other.

Fun And Sun
11-11-10, 12:40
Hi Franco

Lots of girls are happy to let you take naughty pictures and make naughty films, just ask her before you bar fine her. Don't wait until you get to the room since then she will say no.

The really hot chicks are a bit reluctant for nude and sex pics, but the less hot ones are usually happy to allow it.

Take the type of pictures and movies that you like for your own souvenirs of the trip, and then share the pictures that you think are good pictures. Ignore made up rules by the player haters about what pics are allowed and not allowed, only rules of the picture gallery are those set out by Jackson on the forums front page.

Photo Gallery is the best feature of ISG, and is what keeps the forum going since that is why people subscribe and how Jackson makes his money, so picture contributions are very important.

Look forward to seeing your holiday snaps in your return from LOS. I always make an effort to upload a few select pics from my trips since I enjoy checking out the contributions of other members and therefore want to add my own as well.


Pahllus: Do so many girls say no to pictures and video that it is worth using a hidden camera and the risk of possible jail time? This is an actual (as in not rhetorical) question.

Everyone: I had kind of assumed from reading posts that enough WLs said yes to video that anyone could get visual souvenirs by just continually asking if 'click-click is on the menu' - or maybe by having a tripod set up next to the bed, and discuss it when the lady is in your room.

Am I mistaken? Is it actually quite rare (or at least for those women you want to remember, and look at photos of later)?

Does offering an extra tip help convince many who are resistant at first (and how much)?

I don't think I morally agree with filming without consent, but had planned on coming back with some video for later perusal, and lots of pics for the forum, so morality may lose out in the end.

Tratnguyen1
11-11-10, 12:49
Hi,

I return Bangkok after the last visit in 2009. This November, 2010 trip still I stay at the Majestic suites and paid an extra 80baht for a room in the back after I realised front room 603 has Noisy traffic at night. The NEP. Scene has now less customers due to clean up vacated all Bars in the middle of compound? Or maybe the baht rising against USD? Exchange rate is a Bad enough 1usd = 29 baht and heading south!

I Am No economist, but, I predict 1usd will eventually gets around 26 baht a year from now.

For MP. I am happy with all the Visits with my favourites places Annie's and others.

Soi Cowboy also has downturn 10% less mongers there.

Overall, Bangkok is still stand great on my list for adult entertainment.

Rocksoff
11-11-10, 12:56
Go through the metal detectors and go down into the sub station

They've extended the skytrain walkway, so these days you can walk above the big intersection and go down the stairs on the other side. Whoever did those stairs wasn't having a good day though. Some are a bit off.

Oh, and:

Amjeck has exceeded their stored private messages quota and can not accept further messages until they clear some space.

Tomling
11-11-10, 14:58
I find a lot of writing about Russian and African ladies in Bangkok, but what about Khmer ladies in Bangkok.

I know Cambodia is only a few hours away by car/bus from Bangkok, but I have no plans for the moment to go to Cambodia and I wonder if there is anywhere in Bangkok where I can find brothels, massage parlors, traditional massage shops or other places to meet young, legal of course, ladies from Cambodia for short time meetings.

Young ladies from the neighbouring countries are working in Thailand. One month ago my wife and I went a couple of times and had traditional massage from Burmese ladies in a massage shop on soi 11, near Federal hotel. And last year I had many good short time meetings with a lady from Laos whom I met at Thermae.

But what about ladies from Cambodia? Where can I find them in Bangkok?

Tom Ling

Bkk Rookie
11-11-10, 17:35
They've extended the skytrain walkway, so these days you can walk above the big intersection and go down the stairs on the other side. Whoever did those stairs wasn't having a good day though. Some are a bit off.


Yes, very true, you can go that route as well, going towars the second level of the building with all the Citibank signs. Lazy bastard that I am, the chance to use of an escalator or two drives my decision as to which way to go.

Rjsss212
11-11-10, 18:44
Anyone have any firsthand experience with the expensive, private Pegasus on soi 23?

If so, what is the level of female quality?

Cyberspace
11-11-10, 21:12
Hi Franco

Lots of girls are happy to let you take naughty pictures and make naughty films, just ask her before you bar fine her. Don't wait until you get to the room since then she will say no.

The really hot chicks are a bit reluctant for nude and sex pics, but the less hot ones are usually happy to allow it.

Take the type of pictures and movies that you like for your own souvenirs of the trip, and then share the pictures that you think are good pictures. Ignore made up rules by the player haters about what pics are allowed and not allowed, only rules of the picture gallery are those set out by Jackson on the forums front page.

Photo Gallery is the best feature of ISG, and is what keeps the forum going since that is why people subscribe and how Jackson makes his money, so picture contributions are very important.

Look forward to seeing your holiday snaps in your return from LOS. I always make an effort to upload a few select pics from my trips since I enjoy checking out the contributions of other members and therefore want to add my own as well.

Fun and Sun,

I think you bring up a very valid point in that photography may be on a providers menu of services, but it should be honestly negotiated for. As a counter example, I haven't met one thai girl that says she doesn't mind engaging in shit stinking anal intercourse and then have the details of her activity including name, location, price, and further carnal info posted on sex forums or the elsewhere on the internet. It's not my own personal sex preference but a casual perusal of reports here would indicate that it happens all the time. Of course the girls are in business and likely won't complain about getting more business. The chances of their friends and relatives joining the ISG and then stumbling on reports of their sexual activity is low, and the chances of their friends and relatives taking the further steps of submitting their own reports or paying dues to Jackson in order to view the image gallery are: null, void, zero, bupkis and zilch.

Bunky
11-11-10, 21:14
For those wanting to get to Nana and looking to avoid the taxi come-on, if you ask a taxi for J.W. Marriott on Soi 2 you can save money and time. The drivers know the shortcut into the parking lot, and are less likely to try to sell you on their sponsored bar or massage parlor.Once you get out of the taxi at the J.W. Marriott on Soi 2, how do you walk to the Nana Entertainment Plaza? Looking at the aerial photos available on Google it seems like the parking lot backs up to Soi 4. Where, exactly, should you walk?

Booey
11-11-10, 21:51
Once you get out of the taxi at the J.W. Marriott on Soi 2, how do you walk to the Nana Entertainment Plaza? Looking at the aerial photos available on Google it seems like the parking lot backs up to Soi 4. Where, exactly, should you walk?

Walk out to Sukhumvit and turn right. I am assuming that the cab dropped you at the main entrance of the JW. This means that you are turning away from the overpass that should be on your left. Walk a few blocks, you will pass Bully's, a couple of pharmacies, when you get to the gas station you are at Soi 4. Turn right on Soi 4 and NEP will be a few short meters up on the other side of the street. I am sure you will find it.

Dreams
11-11-10, 22:26
Hi Franco

Lots of girls are happy to let you take naughty pictures and make naughty films, just ask her before you bar fine her. Don't wait until you get to the room since then she will say no.

The really hot chicks are a bit reluctant for nude and sex pics, but the less hot ones are usually happy to allow it.

Take the type of pictures and movies that you like for your own souvenirs of the trip, and then share the pictures that you think are good pictures. Ignore made up rules by the player haters about what pics are allowed and not allowed, only rules of the picture gallery are those set out by Jackson on the forums front page.

Photo Gallery is the best feature of ISG, and is what keeps the forum going since that is why people subscribe and how Jackson makes his money, so picture contributions are very important.

Look forward to seeing your holiday snaps in your return from LOS. I always make an effort to upload a few select pics from my trips since I enjoy checking out the contributions of other members and therefore want to add my own as well.
With all due respect, you make statements without proof.. How can you know that everyone on ISG is there because of the photo gallery? I, for one, am not. I am here because ISG gives me advice on where to go, when, with whom etc... But I have no interest in seeing any ISG member's penis inserted in an unknown cavity. And with regards to more "quality photos", there are better places on the internet to see erotic/pornographic pictures..To each his own, I fully respect those who like the photo gallery,but don't generalise according to your opwn taste.

Tratnguyen1
11-12-10, 03:20
Hi;

With a limited 1 week time in the lower soi Sukhumvit Majestic suites, I only able to visit my Favourite places and Not wasted time for hunting some unknown quality one.

In the past, I Was Not happy with the Poseidon, Cupidid, and especially the Pegasus. Surely, the Pegasus is quite frankly expensive with a membership cost and Not very friendly impressive girls. That was my experience in there. On the other hand, the Annie's MP. Is Not exactly a Cream of the crop, but, it is always deliver a Solid above average performance for a 2500baht 2 hours fun and relax.

The soi Cowboy and NEP. Are my places at Night for people watching and street food on top of the Go Go bars as usual. I prefer Bar Girls and Not interrested street walkers Girl.

Bkk Rookie
11-12-10, 09:36
Quickie report gathered from too many nights over the past two months.

I have grown to rather enjoy the two Mandarin bars in Nana Plaza. Up the escalator, through the touts and then back in the right corner. One is on that same (second) floor and has table dancers, the other is up a flight of stairs (not the general use stairwell) and has two floors of fun, though one is rarely open.

The table dance Mandarins on the second floor has a number of elevated gogo dance platforms around which patrons sit, drink, flirt and play. The ladies range from 5's to 9's, with most being a nice 7. Some nights are better than others (for example, last night was stretch mark night) but the girls seem to enjoy dancing and often playfully compete with each other to see who can be the most imaginative and sexy. If you like girls with good attitudes, playful spirits and a strong GFE orientation, this is a good bar to hit.

The service girls are also in play, same 600 baht barfine as the regulars, but they don't get taken out a lot. For my money, it's like playing the pro-am circuit. Yes, they go with customers for money, so they are pros, but they aren't hardened or burnt out or over-worked in that regard.

Under the same general management is the upstairs bar (girls and momasans float between the two). As written in previous posts, the bar hosts two shifts (teams) of dancers. One short, young and topless. The other older and more exotic. There are no ladyboys. The young shift are as barely-legal looking as I have found in Bangkok, though most are in their early and mid-twenties. There is less pressure here than in most bars and while the momasans will try to get you to make quick barfine, tell them once you will make up your mind on your own and they will back away. Speak directly and they will act accordingly. Be non-specific and they will continue to try to hustle you into selecting a girl.

Early in the night the girls want 2000 THB for a short-time in your hotel, 1500 THB for a short time in a short-time hotel within Nana. Later you can get 1500 THB for your hotel, and 2500 THB long-time. The girls will never admit to these prices in front of others, but will cave quickly in private negotiation.

I've had success converting a 1500 short-time in my hotel into a 2000 long-time.

Be warned, however, if you go late you may well be customer number two or three for the younger, barely legal girls.

There is a mamasan from Buriram (spelling?) who is a bit of a large lady. Her English is very good and she is an excellent host. Buy her one drink and she will make sure you get what you want, aren't hounded by the other momasans and that the girl you go with understands what you expect.

GL/HF

Fun And Sun
11-12-10, 11:50
I haven't met one thai girl who has said she doesn't mind her images being posted on sex forums- nude or non nude- on the internet.

Me neither. What's your point?

Fun And Sun
11-12-10, 11:56
With all due respect, you make statements without proof.. How can you know that everyone on ISG is there because of the photo gallery? I, for one, am not. I am here because ISG gives me advice on where to go, when, with whom etc... But I have no interest in seeing any ISG member's penis inserted in an unknown cavity. And with regards to more "quality photos", there are better places on the internet to see erotic/pornographic pictures..To each his own, I fully respect those who like the photo gallery,but don't generalise according to your opwn taste.

I'm not sure we are talking about the same thing. I use ISG as a source of information too and that's the main reason I log onto here. If I want to check out some porn then I go to different sites too. However, I do enjoy checking out the pictures in the picture gallery too, to see what the providers look like and just for fun.

What I meant is that ISG is set up as a for profit organisation and therefore needs to make money from subscriptions. I believe that the main reason people pay the subscription fee is to view the pictures and not out of the goodness of their hearts, but you are right, I cannot prove this.

Fun And Sun
11-12-10, 12:00
I agree, pics are a service to be agreed like CIM, "shit stinking anal intercourse" :), etc

It rarely costs extra for pics though, at least in my experience.


Fun and Sun,

I think you bring up a very valid point in that photography may be on a providers menu of services, but it should be honestly negotiated for. As a counter example, I haven't met one thai girl that says she doesn't mind engaging in shit stinking anal intercourse and then have the details of her activity including name, location, price, and further carnal info posted on sex forums or the elsewhere on the internet. It's not my own personal sex preference but a casual perusal of reports here would indicate that it happens all the time. Of course the girls are in business and likely won't complain about getting more business. The chances of their friends and relatives joining the ISG and then stumbling on reports of their sexual activity is low, and the chances of their friends and relatives taking the further steps of submitting their own reports or paying dues to Jackson in order to view the image gallery are: null, void, zero, bupkis and zilch.

The Pro
11-12-10, 14:58
Just when you think all is lost and things are going down the pan fast its funny how there is always something to keep you interested.

Took a Beer Garden girl, reasonable looking and under 30 and she turned out to be really good in the bed.

Not on the level of a Tulip/Mango superstar however she was not far off and she was far better than your average performer at Tulip/Mango.

The real nice thing was of course that no gel or added lubrication was needed, she was dripping wet and super slippery all on her own and she was up for as many times as I could manage.

So there you go, never ceases to amaze, its brought back my faith in the BG Soi 7 that with perserverance you can sometimes turn up a diamond in the rough.

NicFrenchy
11-13-10, 03:11
Just when you think all is lost and things are going down the pan fast its funny how there is always something to keep you interested.

Took a Beer Garden girl, reasonable looking and under 30 and she turned out to be really good in the bed.


I went there about 2 years ago and the scenery was so bad (both on the ladies and punters side) that I had to evacuate quickly.

Syzygies
11-13-10, 07:14
Me neither. What's your point?
Guess neither of you met any real Thai girls, only the lowest class of bargirls, I assume.

Not all Thai girls are ready to be known as porn stars.

Mangofan
11-13-10, 10:28
Hi Franco

Lots of girls are happy to let you take naughty pictures and make naughty films, just ask her before you bar fine her. Don't wait until you get to the room since then she will say no.

The really hot chicks are a bit reluctant for nude and sex pics, but the less hot ones are usually happy to allow it.


That's pretty much been my experience. A lot of the go-go girls (even the really hot ones) will let you take photos of them but not nude ones and certainly not movies of sex. It is very rare today that the really hot girls will let you take naughty photos/videos of them - believe me I have asked. At least in Bangkok. If you go to Pattaya, then even the hot girls will sometimes let you.

Spider916
11-13-10, 12:48
Nice report but pls be advised that one of the most popular providers in the upstairs Mandarin is a post-op ladyboy. Its really hard to notice and most of the punters seem to be blissfully unaware of her previous life as a boy. Hint: he/she has a piercing on the chin.
Mamasans are too pushy for my taste.




Quickie report gathered from too many nights over the past two months.

I have grown to rather enjoy the two Mandarin bars in Nana Plaza. Up the escalator, through the touts and then back in the right corner. One is on that same (second) floor and has table dancers, the other is up a flight of stairs (not the general use stairwell) and has two floors of fun, though one is rarely open.

The table dance Mandarins on the second floor has a number of elevated gogo dance platforms around which patrons sit, drink, flirt and play. The ladies range from 5's to 9's, with most being a nice 7. Some nights are better than others (for example, last night was stretch mark night) but the girls seem to enjoy dancing and often playfully compete with each other to see who can be the most imaginative and sexy. If you like girls with good attitudes, playful spirits and a strong GFE orientation, this is a good bar to hit.

The service girls are also in play, same 600 baht barfine as the regulars, but they don't get taken out a lot. For my money, it's like playing the pro-am circuit. Yes, they go with customers for money, so they are pros, but they aren't hardened or burnt out or over-worked in that regard.

Under the same general management is the upstairs bar (girls and momasans float between the two). As written in previous posts, the bar hosts two shifts (teams) of dancers. One short, young and topless. The other older and more exotic. There are no ladyboys. The young shift are as barely-legal looking as I have found in Bangkok, though most are in their early and mid-twenties. There is less pressure here than in most bars and while the momasans will try to get you to make quick barfine, tell them once you will make up your mind on your own and they will back away. Speak directly and they will act accordingly. Be non-specific and they will continue to try to hustle you into selecting a girl.

Early in the night the girls want 2000 THB for a short-time in your hotel, 1500 THB for a short time in a short-time hotel within Nana. Later you can get 1500 THB for your hotel, and 2500 THB long-time. The girls will never admit to these prices in front of others, but will cave quickly in private negotiation.

I've had success converting a 1500 short-time in my hotel into a 2000 long-time.

Be warned, however, if you go late you may well be customer number two or three for the younger, barely legal girls.

There is a mamasan from Buriram (spelling?) who is a bit of a large lady. Her English is very good and she is an excellent host. Buy her one drink and she will make sure you get what you want, aren't hounded by the other momasans and that the girl you go with understands what you expect.

GL/HF

Spider916
11-13-10, 12:51
Very high quality but catering more to the Thai/ Chinese taste. Half of them are barfinable the other half not. Count around 10.000 for entrance fee, drinks, lady drinks and shorttime.


Anyone have any firsthand experience with the expensive, private Pegasus on soi 23?

If so, what is the level of female quality?

Farrider
11-13-10, 14:34
This report is dated several months, sorry 1SG. Anyway. This was my 2nd date with Apple. I had found her previously on one of the escort websites and had the cursory email contact to set schedules. She rolls under "Bangkok Fantasy, " higher end and and it is everything the name implies. Truthfully I cannot say enough about her; she is a lovely gal, excellent English and does everything to make sure your experience is one of the best. The GFE package. She is the type of gal you can feel comfortable taking out and about as she is very refined, polite, courteous and will put you in the right directions with local customs. And she is the type of gal you want on an extended weekend or holiday, funny, hot and passionate. The sex is wild, lots of foreplay, almost the full menu range, intercourse is of course covered. No anal but I was able to finger and play with her a little so it could be a later option. As you can see from the pics she like posing and has a bit of a kinky side. Of note too and I didn't do the deal but she has a thing for while women. All the better for next time!

Enjoy the pics and happy hunting.

Farrider
11-13-10, 15:02
Winding up the Bangkok holiday. The climbing Baht and the general bilking of loyal patrons continues to make, at least BKK, less a haven for mongering. Everyone has their approach but I ended up dropping $100 at a hang out feeding two BGs drinks, but that's my sob story. Those good, cheap days are gone, me laments. Anyway, I was able to find three experiences (out of a dozen) worth noting here; one was a freelancer out of the New Wave bar on Soi 7. Chinese/Thai from Chaing Rai, Lucy Lui lookie. The usual hard luck story, but wow, what a fuck! Full menu. Next was a hottie off CL that I ended up with a three some with another BG out of NEP. It's easy when she picks them. But honestly, the best (or at least most memorable) was a session today with another CL score. Her working name is Nikki, she is not a regular post and does not include her phone contact. I was lucky enough to catch her and email to make the connection. She is a bit chunky, but a great rack and a hot box. She brought handcuffs and toys which were all the more fun for face sitting. The sex started fast out of the gate; this one came 2 times with me and a 3rd with the toy. Vocal, passionate, and very nasty. I am like everyone else looking for the spinner hot boxes but if you're looking for a hot chick with tits that will rock your world, check her out.

Happy hunting.

Bkk Rookie
11-13-10, 16:08
Nice report but pls be advised that one of the most popular providers in the upstairs Mandarin is a post-op ladyboy. Its really hard to notice and most of the punters seem to be blissfully unaware of her previous life as a boy. Hint: he/she has a piercing on the chin.
Mamasans are too pushy for my taste.
I had no idea. In truth, I'm not even sure which one you are writing about, but I'll be on the lookout next week when I go. Thanks!

I found the momasans at both bars pushy until I spoke to them very clearly that I didn't want or need help, that I knew how to game worked and that I was fine sitting alone.

No problems upstairs ever since, but I do buy the one Buriram (sp?) momasan the occassional drink ... but never more than one per night and no tipping her.

There is one momasan downstairs who is pushy but she gets the hint after awhile. But that's why I spend most my time upstairs.

Bkk Rookie
11-13-10, 16:15
Has anyone tried the BDSM show in Patpong 2?

From what little I know about BDSM it's not something I'm into, and for 900THB cover charge I'm even less into it.

However, a BG I know switched to working there and I am ever-so-slightly tempted to pay the cover.

1) Worth it?
2) Likelihood of getting extra charges added to my tab, ala the urban myths of Patpong of old?
3) Ladies barfinable?
4) Only for true aficionados of BDSM?

Fun And Sun
11-13-10, 16:17
Guess neither of you met any real Thai girls, only the lowest class of bargirls, I assume.

Not all Thai girls are ready to be known as porn stars.

Guess that it is natural for the discussion to go around a bit in and not always make sense, but this really takes the cake...

A new mongerer asks about the possibility for taking naughty pics and movies to which I respond (admittedly I do go off-topic in my response to him a bit by suggesting that he share with us his best pics and movies).

To this Harold chimes in that he has never met a Thai girl that wants her pics and films online, to which I respond that I haven't met one that wants this either and ask him what is his point.

Then based on this discussion you conclude that me and Harold have only met low class bar girls. The reason for this: high class girls don't want their pics and films on the internet...

Maybe your logic is impeccable and it is just me that is failing to follow it...

Cyberspace
11-13-10, 19:24
Guess that it is natural for the discussion to go around a bit in and not always make sense, but this really takes the cake...

A new mongerer asks about the possibility for taking naughty pics and movies to which I respond (admittedly I do go off-topic in my response to him a bit by suggesting that he share with us his best pics and movies).

To this Harold chimes in that he has never met a Thai girl that wants her pics and films online, to which I respond that I haven't met one that wants this either and ask him what is his point.

Then based on this discussion you conclude that me and Harold have only met low class bar girls. The reason for this: high class girls don't want their pics and films on the internet...

Maybe your logic is impeccable and it is just me that is failing to follow it...

Sorry Fun and Sun, I respect your opinion but I believe the failure is yours. At this forum you'll find there's a common sense response protocol that follows almost any anecdotal observation or statement of fact related to monger matters. Responses will fall into the following general categories:

"I (fill in this space with any random ISG respondant) am outraged that you paid that amount. That same provider approached me and offered her services for half that amount, and I easily bargained her down to a third. You are the cause of inflation, and if you can't strike a better bargain when you come to Thailand you should keep your money (and all else) in your pants."

"I (again, fill in this space) am in fact supermonger and my super power is gaydar. I can tell you with absolute certainty when presentled with undersized, out-of-focus, and poorly lit images that the she in question is definitely a he. My authority is unassailable and the rest of the board will gleefully back me up when I tell you that even if she's bore a dozen children she has (or recently had) a dick."

And this category may most closely resembles Syzygies response to your statement:

"I (fill in this space) am in fact among only the most elite of mongers. Right now, I've got about seven or eight women whom I see on a regular basis -- P4P and non-P4P. Last night I was with one of them, (a 19+/-yo fresh from E-sarn), and I received three booty calls and SMSs between 11 and 1am from other girls waiting to come over. A few nights ago, I had a threesome with the young girl and an older friend of hers. The two together were into this full on lesbian-teacher demonstration...fuck me, it was amazing! Lately, I've been asked to father children by several of them with promises of water buffalo and new Toyota 4WDs. I'm not joking"

Fun and Sun, I think you must be the only member of this board that isn't aware of these categories. This is the InternationalSexGuide, and this is simply what common sense is about here.

Fon Tok
11-13-10, 20:21
Sorry Fun and Sun, I respect your opinion but I believe the failure is yours. At this forum you'll find there's a common sense response protocol...bla, bla, bla,

And this category may most closely resembles Syzygies response to your statement:

"I (fill in this space) am in fact among only the most elite of mongers. Right now, I've got about seven or eight women whom I see on a regular basis -- P4P and non-P4P. Last night I was with one of them, (a 19+/-yo fresh from E-sarn), and I received three booty calls and SMSs between 11 and 1am from other girls waiting to come over. A few nights ago, I had a threesome with the young girl and an older friend of hers. The two together were into this full on lesbian-teacher demonstration...fuck me, it was amazing! Lately, I've been asked to father children by several of them with promises of water buffalo and new Toyota 4WDs. I'm not joking"

Fun and Sun, I think you must be the only member of this board that isn't aware of these categories. This is the InternationalSexGuide, and this is simply what common sense is about here.Ahh, I definitely resemble that quote. So, Cyber, you're picking on me anonymously again. The above quote is taken out of context as it was part of my response to a person asking why I don't take photos of my girls naked in the sack.

The opening sentence, ""I (fill in this space) am in fact among only the most elite of mongers. " was not even in the entry. Providing your own opening sentence to twist and distort the intent of one's words is not a good practice here on the ISG, especially if you want your neo-pontificating to be taken seriously.

So much for me sharing the truth with fellow ISGers. Cyber, maybe you should give your keyboard and smut sheriff attitude a break and go out and have a little fun.

BTW, I'm in Pattaya right now with one of my stable, and I can tell you doing it is a lot more fun than reading about it...! ;)

ps: I added a street pic with a rare face attached. The woman is just too hot to only show her booty.

Lifeingr
11-13-10, 20:32
Has anyone tried the BDSM show in Patpong 2?

From what little I know about BDSM it's not something I'm into, and for 900THB cover charge I'm even less into it.

However, a BG I know switched to working there and I am ever-so-slightly tempted to pay the cover.

1) Worth it?
2) Likelihood of getting extra charges added to my tab, ala the urban myths of Patpong of old?
3) Ladies barfinable?
4) Only for true aficionados of BDSM?

1) It is a bit of a "fake" scene. There is a kind of show with spanking, whipping, candles, humiliation show but there are many visual effects involved.
2) Charges are clear and expensive. Been there once and not charged extra
3) Yes they are, they have rooms upstairs actually. Never tried though.
4) Not really, a group of friends with lots of money can have a good night there. Do not expect that the place is hard BDSM.

Blourghus
11-13-10, 21:50
The chances of their friends and relatives joining the ISG and then stumbling on reports of their sexual activity is low, and the chances of their friends and relatives taking the further steps of submitting their own reports or paying dues to Jackson in order to view the image gallery are: null, void, zero, bupkis and zilch.
I'd hardly put it outside the realm of possibility. Many of these ladies are incredibly well connected and a lot of them have a better understanding of technology than many here. I don't know if this site is specifically on radar for the ladies, but I do know that some regions in the world have discussion forums for the ladies. I don't know if they have that in Bangkok but if they do easily the photos could be reposted there. And once in their hands they could easily get back to family (for example: by two friends getting in a fight and "outing" each other). With advances in technology and networking (example: Facebook opened to general public only 4 years ago, YouTube is only 5 years old, iPhone debuted only 3 years ago) information is spreading at an unprecedented pace, probably soon there will be things facial recognition search and other science fiction like technology developments making it harder to hide secrets on the fringes of the internet. A lot of this is great for the hobby and I have a couple of NEP girlfriends who make absolutely masterful use of Facebook for example, introducing a total different dynamic to the hobby unimaginable only 2-3 years back.

My rule of thumb personally is to take photos which pass the "facebook test", photos which ladies would want to post on their own facebook, obviously the result are more innocent (unless lady happens to be a porn star) but I think it's more rewarding to take photos of the lady which the lady likes so much they want to use them to represent themselves to family friends, and general public.

HotShaneHot
11-13-10, 22:02
This report is dated several months, sorry 1SG. Anyway. This was my 2nd date with Apple. I had found her previously on one of the escort websites and had the cursory email contact to set schedules. She rolls under "Bangkok Fantasy, " higher end and and it is everything the name implies. Truthfully I cannot say enough about her; she is a lovely gal, excellent English and does everything to make sure your experience is one of the best. The GFE package. She is the type of gal you can feel comfortable taking out and about as she is very refined, polite, courteous and will put you in the right directions with local customs. And she is the type of gal you want on an extended weekend or holiday, funny, hot and passionate. The sex is wild, lots of foreplay, almost the full menu range, intercourse is of course covered. No anal but I was able to finger and play with her a little so it could be a later option. As you can see from the pics she like posing and has a bit of a kinky side. Of note too and I didn't do the deal but she has a thing for while women. All the better for next time!

Enjoy the pics and happy hunting.Hi how long did she stay with you?

And how much in thai bart did it cost you?

Thank you

Cyberspace
11-13-10, 22:19
Ahh, I definitely resemble that quote. So, Cyber, you're picking on me anonymously again. The above quote is taken out of context as it was part of my response to a person asking why I don't take photos of my girls naked in the sack.

The opening sentence, ""I (fill in this space) am in fact among only the most elite of mongers. " was not even in the entry. Providing your own opening sentence to twist and distort the intent of one's words is not a good practice here on the ISG, especially if you want your neo-pontificating to be taken seriously.

So much for me sharing the truth with fellow ISGers. Cyber, maybe you should give your keyboard and smut sheriff attitude a break and go out and have a little fun.

BTW, I'm in Pattaya right now with one of my stable, and I can tell you doing it is a lot more fun than reading about it...! ;)

ps: I added a street pic with a rare face attached. The woman is just too hot to only show her booty.

You're aware of my opinion of your photos and how they relate to the board, and I won't pontificate further. I was trying to come up with made-up composite quotes that could be readily recognized as frequent responses to most statements on the board. Your original response truly impressed me as an incredible caricature come to life in the real world. Wasn't sure you really wanted to be attributed to it, but I'm happy for you if you do. I confess I could not make that up and the part about being offered water buffalo and new Toyota 4WDs was an amazing descriptive touch.

Actually I believe the sentence, "I (fill in this space) am in fact among the most elite of mongers.", really can be recognized in your original ... you just have to read between the lines. The point was not to single you out (I'd have credited your name otherwise) since there are many mongers here that could "fill in this space" and frequently do respond similarly. Who'd know that you're really talking about your inability to produce naked photos of girls in the sack? It just proves my point that some standard responses at the forum adhere to a logic of their own and have nothing to do with statements of fact or observation that precede them.

Fon Tok
11-13-10, 23:17
our original response truly impressed me as an incredible caricature come to life in the real world. Wasn't sure you really wanted to be attributed to it, but I'm happy for you if you do. I confess I could not make that up and the part about being offered water buffalo and new Toyota 4WDs was an amazing descriptive touch....and all true...except I left out the part about opening a karaoke parlor in Nakhon Phanom and living happily ever after in a house out back.


Actually I believe the sentence, "I (fill in this space) am in fact among the most elite of mongers.", really can be recognized in your original ... you just have to read between the lines....not an elite monger, just busy as hell as there are too many women in BKK who desire my company. When you live here you don't look for it, it comes to you.


Who'd know that you're really talking about your inability to produce naked photos of girls in the sack? It just proves my point that some standard responses at the forum adhere to a logic of their own and have nothing to do with statements of fact or observation that precede them.Perhaps, I just prefer to keep my most intimate photo sets for me and my Thai girlfriends to enjoy rather than share them with a bunch of cyber jockeys.

In any event, there is a web site called Model Mayhem where there are women in Thailand who will happily pose for photographers in various states of dress and undress. There are a number of Bangkok models with pages on there.

I believe most of the photos of sexual encounters posted on ISG are the equivalent of quasi trophies likely taken without the complete understanding of the woman that they'll end up on the internet.

I think it's time to take this discussion back to the Photo Gallery "Chit Chat" thread.

Deal Seeker
11-13-10, 23:38
Sorry Fun and Sun, I respect your opinion but I believe the failure is yours. At this forum you'll find there's a common sense response protocol that follows almost any anecdotal observation or statement of fact related to monger matters. Responses will fall into the following general categories:

"I (fill in this space with any random ISG respondant) am outraged that you paid that amount. That same provider approached me and offered her services for half that amount, and I easily bargained her down to a third. You are the cause of inflation, and if you can't strike a better bargain when you come to Thailand you should keep your money (and all else) in your pants."

"I (again, fill in this space) am in fact supermonger and my super power is gaydar. I can tell you with absolute certainty when presentled with undersized, out-of-focus, and poorly lit images that the she in question is definitely a he. My authority is unassailable and the rest of the board will gleefully back me up when I tell you that even if she's bore a dozen children she has (or recently had) a dick."

And this category may most closely resembles Syzygies response to your statement:

"I (fill in this space) am in fact among only the most elite of mongers. Right now, I've got about seven or eight women whom I see on a regular basis -- P4P and non-P4P. Last night I was with one of them, (a 19+/-yo fresh from E-sarn), and I received three booty calls and SMSs between 11 and 1am from other girls waiting to come over. A few nights ago, I had a threesome with the young girl and an older friend of hers. The two together were into this full on lesbian-teacher demonstration...fuck me, it was amazing! Lately, I've been asked to father children by several of them with promises of water buffalo and new Toyota 4WDs. I'm not joking"

Fun and Sun, I think you must be the only member of this board that isn't aware of these categories. This is the InternationalSexGuide, and this is simply what common sense is about here.

I love it. This should be sticky'd as a sort of Reader's Digest/Crash Course.

Fun And Sun
11-13-10, 23:49
That's pretty much been my experience. A lot of the go-go girls (even the really hot ones) will let you take photos of them but not nude ones and certainly not movies of sex. It is very rare today that the really hot girls will let you take naughty photos/videos of them - believe me I have asked. At least in Bangkok. If you go to Pattaya, then even the hot girls will sometimes let you.

True that, pics and vids with hotties are more easily obtained with hotties in Patts for sure. I find that if you build up a nice rapport with a girl then it can all be ruined with a pics question so am often willing to forego pics if I find a girl I really like.

Sometimes if you want a pic of a girl for the memory pile the best strategy is to take a picture of the both of you together, but since these includes my ugly mug I never post these... :)

Fun And Sun
11-13-10, 23:54
Mate this is too far fetched in my view. The problem really is all the Captain-Save-a-Hos that show the girls their pics.

Picture gallery is supposed to be about us mongerers sharing pics amongst ourselves in a private setting, but there are some player haters that ruin it for us...


I'd hardly put it outside the realm of possibility. Many of these ladies are incredibly well connected and a lot of them have a better understanding of technology than many here. I don't know if this site is specifically on radar for the ladies, but I do know that some regions in the world have discussion forums for the ladies. I don't know if they have that in Bangkok but if they do easily the photos could be reposted there. And once in their hands they could easily get back to family (for example: by two friends getting in a fight and "outing" each other). With advances in technology and networking (example: Facebook opened to general public only 4 years ago, YouTube is only 5 years old, iPhone debuted only 3 years ago) information is spreading at an unprecedented pace, probably soon there will be things facial recognition search and other science fiction like technology developments making it harder to hide secrets on the fringes of the internet. A lot of this is great for the hobby and I have a couple of NEP girlfriends who make absolutely masterful use of Facebook for example, introducing a total different dynamic to the hobby unimaginable only 2-3 years back.

My rule of thumb personally is to take photos which pass the "facebook test", photos which ladies would want to post on their own facebook, obviously the result are more innocent (unless lady happens to be a porn star) but I think it's more rewarding to take photos of the lady which the lady likes so much they want to use them to represent themselves to family friends, and general public.

Fun And Sun
11-14-10, 00:02
This is actually one of the reasons I don't post here that much, since often when you try to post something useful then you get sniped at by player haters in a pretty standard way which you pretty eloquently list below...

Anyway, to reiterate the message I wanted to make with my post since I am holding the speakers gavel right now: " if you got them then post em" cool pics if sexy girls that is. :) ideally label your pics so we know what they are.


Sorry Fun and Sun, I respect your opinion but I believe the failure is yours. At this forum you'll find there's a common sense response protocol that follows almost any anecdotal observation or statement of fact related to monger matters. Responses will fall into the following general categories:

"I (fill in this space with any random ISG respondant) am outraged that you paid that amount. That same provider approached me and offered her services for half that amount, and I easily bargained her down to a third. You are the cause of inflation, and if you can't strike a better bargain when you come to Thailand you should keep your money (and all else) in your pants."

"I (again, fill in this space) am in fact supermonger and my super power is gaydar. I can tell you with absolute certainty when presentled with undersized, out-of-focus, and poorly lit images that the she in question is definitely a he. My authority is unassailable and the rest of the board will gleefully back me up when I tell you that even if she's bore a dozen children she has (or recently had) a dick."

And this category may most closely resembles Syzygies response to your statement:

"I (fill in this space) am in fact among only the most elite of mongers. Right now, I've got about seven or eight women whom I see on a regular basis -- P4P and non-P4P. Last night I was with one of them, (a 19+/-yo fresh from E-sarn), and I received three booty calls and SMSs between 11 and 1am from other girls waiting to come over. A few nights ago, I had a threesome with the young girl and an older friend of hers. The two together were into this full on lesbian-teacher demonstration...fuck me, it was amazing! Lately, I've been asked to father children by several of them with promises of water buffalo and new Toyota 4WDs. I'm not joking"

Fun and Sun, I think you must be the only member of this board that isn't aware of these categories. This is the InternationalSexGuide, and this is simply what common sense is about here.

Jgm005
11-14-10, 00:38
Been there once with a mate shortly after it opened up.
1) One time visit sort of
2) Did not happen on our visit
3) Yes but did not partake
4) Milk toast BDSM.


Has anyone tried the BDSM show in Patpong 2?

From what little I know about BDSM it's not something I'm into, and for 900THB cover charge I'm even less into it.

However, a BG I know switched to working there and I am ever-so-slightly tempted to pay the cover.

1) Worth it?
2) Likelihood of getting extra charges added to my tab, ala the urban myths of Patpong of old?
3) Ladies barfinable?
4) Only for true aficionados of BDSM?

Sainter21
11-14-10, 05:58
nice report but pls be advised that one of the most popular providers in the upstairs mandarin is a post-op ladyboy. its really hard to notice and most of the punters seem to be blissfully unaware of her previous life as a boy. hint: he/she has a piercing on the chin.
mamasans are too pushy for my taste.

all true.
i was quoted b2000 st and a bar fine of b600 at 01:30 and the girl would only go to a st hotel (after learning that i was staying at a hotel that requires i.d...alarm bells...****?)
the age worry was my que to bail and the mamasam was none too happy, but still, the audacity to expect me to pay around b3000 for a st at that hour.

Amjeck
11-14-10, 12:34
All true.
the audacity to expect me to pay around B3000 for a ST at that hour.
Welcome to BKK high season. Most girls are getting top baht!

FlyingVisitor
11-14-10, 14:15
has anyone tried the bdsm show in patpong 2?

from what little i know about bdsm it's not something i'm into, and for 900thb cover charge i'm even less into it.

however, a bg i know switched to working there and i am ever-so-slightly tempted to pay the cover.

1) worth it?
2) likelihood of getting extra charges added to my tab, ala the urban myths of patpong of old?
3) ladies barfinable?
4) only for true aficionados of bdsm?

i suppose you mean "bar bar"-bar.
i have been there several times and found it always very entertaining.
what the ladies do on you depends on your wishes (hot wax, spanking, bondage, cbt and so on).
you pay 900 baht for entry and one drink.
you can book one or more ladies (2000 baht each) as "therapists".
if you like action in the public you can stay at the bar lounge (they also have private rooms) and even proceed to the entrance door. there night walkers can have a look on you and your body under treatment.
after closing hour i took one girl (no bar fine) to a short time hotel just across the street for all the night. wonderful gfe sex and everything bare back too.
go and enjoy !
fv

Bkk Rookie
11-14-10, 16:31
all true.
i was quoted b2000 st and a bar fine of b600 at 01:30 and the girl would only go to a st hotel (after learning that i was staying at a hotel that requires i.d...alarm bells...****?)
the age worry was my que to bail and the mamasam was none too happy, but still, the audacity to expect me to pay around b3000 for a st at that hour.
big time alarms. if the girl doesn't do regular hotels, or will only go to select regular hotels, then i pass. i don't worry or try to speculate why she won't go to regular hotels, i just know she's got some sort of problem or hang-up and i don't need the drama.

i'm really surprised she wouldn't drop to b1500, perhaps high season has finally come to thailand. early in the summer (the low of low season following the red shirt problem) you could get b1000 in a short-time hotel if you stated you just wanted a little daty and one pop. i hesitated to report that earlier because that price is clearly gone.

Global Surfer
11-15-10, 02:15
So a syrain women I am ashamed to admit that I would paid the 5000 for a short time. That would help be get one of my hardest country in my pussy of the world quest. Are you sure that they are there because last month went I was in town there was nope to be found, and the nana parking lot was dead also.

You should be able to find arab speaking ladies in that area after 11pm or in Grace Hotel. Most Arab speaking ladies in this business are Lebanese, Syrian, Moroccon and Egyptians. My only experience with a Lebanese was not that good in Dubai

Darkman
11-15-10, 03:08
You should be able to find arab speaking ladies in that area after 11pm or in Grace Hotel. Most Arab speaking ladies in this business are Lebanese, Syrian, Moroccon and Egyptians. My only experience with a Lebanese was not that good in DubaiI will be looking for them the second week of December. For one day. Then I am off for some serious monger in Issan.

El Frances
11-15-10, 22:20
Here the report of my first two days in BKK (not sure yet I will be fit enough to write the next ones.)

Day One
My first day in BKK, so I want to party. I started in a Gogo called Spanky near Angelwitch at NEP on which I read some good comments elsewhere. It’s fine, but nothing extraordinary: the place is rather friendly, no hassle from the girls or mamasan (a good point), and girls dance topless (another good point). I sip my beer and suddenly I see her. There were about 20 girls on stage and it seemed there was only one girl who could move her body so sensuously…You know what I mean, sometimes you see a girl and suddenly your ball‘s hair rise ! Too bad, I really wanted to party and there’s no hope with gogo girls. I tried before, after 30 mn they try to look as bored as possible and say: ”we go hotel you”.

So I left and went to this bar with a live band in sukhumvit soi 7/1, called Bangkok Beat. This is really the right place to start having fun, good bands (the 2nd is better), and most girls are there to dance and have fun (of course 99% are FLs). It is also lungs friendly. Very good atmosphere, especially for a Sunday night, the only drawback is that the girls are rather old. If you are young enough to get wooded on girls between 28 and 38, this is the place! Anyway it was my first night on BKK so I would get wooded for any girl, no problem! I really had great fun with a slim girl (I did not even dare to ask her age, too afraid to break the magic!). It quickly turned into a full GFE. Then we went to Climax disco in soi 11, nice place with good music. All the girls I saw before in Bangkok Beat and who did not got picked up were there, with similar girls from other FL places such as Bamboo bar. I did not see any girl much better than mine. I don’t know where gogo girls go after closing time, but not to Climax! Then back to my hotel for a full hot long GFE sex. I gave her 1500 Bath when she left in the morning.

Day two

I really drank too much yesterday and I don’t feel so well. So I decided for a quiet night with only a few beers. First stop at Bamboo bar on soi 3 in front of Grace Hotel. Good hip hop band, a few pool tables, not lungs friendly. I enjoyed the band but the girls were similar to the ones in Bangkok Beat, so I did not get wooded in Bamboo. This night I needed better stimuli so I went to gogos in NEP. First in Spanky again around 12:30: the girl who made my balls like hedgehogs was not there and few talents were left. Then I went to Mandarin: I had a few good picks there in the past, but maybe because it was already late there was nothing very exciting so I left to Rainbow 4. This place has so many girls that it’s difficult not to find one’s type there. The drawback is that it’s very Japanese oriented. There was only one girl I liked, very slim with Japanese hairstyle, and trying to catch the attention of a bunch of Japanese ATMs. It was nearly 1:30 so I decided to act quickly: barfine! 600 Barfine + 2000 ST. Expensive but I had to be quicker than the Japs.
After going out of the bar, the girl looked a bit cold and hurried. I though: Hmmm..I hope it’s not another starfish. But anyway, I knew I would be horny even if she was a starfish. That’s what I like in Gogos: I watch the girls and when one gets me a hard, I barfine her, otherwise I go to another bar.

We arrived in my room and she was obviously hurried. Hmmm… Starfish syndrome…She got me very horny so I decided to really make love to them (I will not explain, if you don’t know…). And then she started to get really wet… I was not gel as she started not wet and finished wet (That’s the acid test: if the girl is wet from the start, it means she put some gel up it in the bathroom). She was not hurried any more and her orgasm wasn’t fake. I know I’m talented but it’s also the advantage of girls who usually go with Japanese: they may have been fucked every night, but not have come often. So they are ready to enjoy a good fuck (and a good western dick). After that, the ***** became again cold and hurried and was dressed up in a glance! What! After providing a good fuck to a girl you expect her to show some gratitude! (i.e. You number 1!) Nothing! Nada! Waloo! She just took the money, a quick smile and bye bye!

Mangofan
11-16-10, 12:35
Alright, I'm finally going to ask. There's a girl upstairs in Baccara that I've been wanting to fuck for about 2 years now. She is definitely the star of the bar, has big fake titties, large eyes, and a smokin' ass. Anyone go with her before? The reason I ask is because I'd rather not pay top baht for shitty service. I've lived here for 4 years and have never paid 2,000 for ST (can usually get 1500 if you build a repoire), but for her I'd make an exception!

Bkk Rookie
11-16-10, 12:43
I stand corrected, there are ladyboys in the upstairs Mandarin bar in Nana. (By upstairs, I mean the one you walk-up into from the second floor at Nana. There is another Mandarin on the second floor.) The LBs dance in the tall & exotic shift, but not (I hope) in the barely legal team.

Late start last night, so I didn't get to the bar until after 12 pm. My norm is to watch the barely legal team dance, select one I like, talk to her when the tall team dances (ignoring that team) and then either paying the barfine or repeating the watch-barely-legal-dance, interview-girl sequence until I find one for the night.

However, having been warned LB were on the prowl, I broke custom and actually spent some time watching the "tall-team" dance. One definite lady-boy (whom I had never seen before) and two possibles (seen before, but never really examined) were on the stage. Wow. Eyes now open.

Next barely-legal dance shift I start examining for LB's, but don't spot any or any that I think might be -- but what do I know? I'm not going to claim that I've never gone with a LB, just that I've never knowingly gone with a LB.

I call over the momasan and ask her flat out if the one from the tall-team whom I am confident is a post-op was, indeed, born a man. She refuses to give me a straight-answer, which is all the proof I need to know the dancer is definitely a ladyboy.

While no more proof is required, I have more.

I leave Mandarins and go hang-out at Big Dogs, chatting up ladies I know but never barfine. When the closing parade begins I see one of the Mandarin barely-legal dancers I've gone with before (she's actually 24-years-old) and she's a bit drunk. She sees me and together we go for Isaan food. In between bites of whatever hotness she was shoveling away, she laughingly concedes, by making the scissor hand-signal, that LBs are in the tall team. She adamantly denies, with as straight a response as possible, any cut-cut in the barely-legal team.

What does all this mean? Well, I'm not going to ban myself from a bar just because it has ladyboys. If I did that I'd have no place to go. But, I'm not taking anyone from the tall-team at Mandarins ...

Orange Crust
11-16-10, 20:43
I remember being in BKK about 2 years ago and there was the most beautiful street bartender, who owned a street bar at the corner of Asoke and Sukhumviet just as leaving Soi Cowboy. She had long black hair and the most beautiful body (not a spinner but so well porportioned. I drank there tonnes of times but could never get her to come with me. Her name was Ann.

Damn, she was one of those ones that you always wanted to take but so unavailable because she was running her business. I think I dropped close to 700 bt every night there. Which is amazing if you think her drinks were only 80bt each.

Anyone remember her? Did her bar survive the protests? Are there still street bars there? I'm not trying to find her, just reminiscing about the one who wa never available.

First post, so be gentle on me.

OC

Pekkakoo
11-17-10, 01:27
In which of the Soi Cowboy and Nana gogos is there completely nude dancing or are there any or is it against the regulations?

Mangofan
11-17-10, 09:21
In which of the Soi Cowboy and Nana gogos is there completely nude dancing or are there any or is it against the regulations?

Completely nude? Not many, but there are a few. On Cowboy, Dollhouse and Suzie Wong's. Rawhide has it too, although the girls usually cover their pussies with their hands. Many others have topless dancers (upstairs in Baccara, Shark). In Nana, Spanky's has a few who dance nude, as does Rainbow 4. Not sure where else as I haven't been to all the bars.

Jed Wordsmith
11-17-10, 16:24
Do you remember her tag number?


Alright, I'm finally going to ask. There's a girl upstairs in Baccara that I've been wanting to fuck for about 2 years now. She is definitely the star of the bar, has big fake titties, large eyes, and a smokin' ass. Anyone go with her before? The reason I ask is because I'd rather not pay top baht for shitty service. I've lived here for 4 years and have never paid 2,000 for ST (can usually get 1500 if you build a repoire), but for her I'd make an exception!

Jed Wordsmith
11-17-10, 16:44
Very high quality but catering more to the Thai/ Chinese taste. Half of them are barfinable the other half not. Count around 10.000 for entrance fee, drinks, lady drinks and shorttime.

You can also try the slightly cheaper S23 next door (same complex). Haven't been there in a few months but they used to have some high-quality girls. Later in the evening they have some of their top girls walking around in bikinis or less, most of whom will do take out. Will probably run you 6,000-7,500 all together- more if you go for one of their models.

El Frances
11-17-10, 16:50
Day 3

Yesterday I went again to Spanky but the ball's hair rising girl wasn't there. Too bad! I was there a bit late around 11.45 and it seemed the pretty girls had already been barfined. I tried to watch the show but it was not good.

I went to Angelwitch next door, the show was a bit better, but no exciting girl at first glance. Suddenly I saw a girl exactly my type. She was also hurried to take me out, but did it in such a cute way that I couldn't resist. She was very sweet and service oriented and ready for LT (but I had to wake up early today so I only took ST). She was perfect, sweet, FK, BJ looking at me with a dirty look, fingering herself for me, GFE, etc...But no wet pussy despite all my talents and just fake moaning.

I'm not sure what has been my best experience: this girl, or the "cold" girl from Rainbow 4 who couldn't help but get wet and horny, and come loudly. Hmm...Guess which one gives me a hard on when I think to her?
Life is an endless quest for truth...

Tabasco72
11-17-10, 17:35
Brothers! I need your help. Since Taiwan became cold I'm heading to Bangkok. I'm looking for the place with a 'true' soapy massage (FS is not necessary). You know, the blowed mattres, soap or gel, like here: http://www.soapy-massage.com/thai-soapy-massage-turkish-bath-house.html
I tried Annies before but it's not the soap massage so I'm looking for the advice. Where to find it BKK. I read the forum but information about the soapy bath are quite old. Thanks!

Richard 2008
11-17-10, 18:58
Arrived in BKK at the middle of the day. Tried the city line which is quite convenient, only took me around 20 minutes from BKK airport to the Makkasan Station, and the cost is only B15. From Makkasan Station, I walked to the MRT station Phetchaburi. Easy to find the way, but in my opinion, the Makkasan station is still under construction, a lot of functions like check in the flight still can’t be provided by now.

I booked a hotel in Suk road, soi 11.I found out even now is Nov, BKK is still very hot. After check-in smoothly, I quickly took the MRT to Huai Kwang station. I planned to visit Nataree, a soapy I went a lot times before. Took a young and nice girl, the cost is B2600. (you can put it on credit card , no surcharge). I like Nataree is because that there are many young and beautiful girls in it. The price is also reasonable. But one major flaw is that few girls can speak English, which is hard to communicate during the session. I found out that the girl I took was learning Japanese, I believe lots of Japanese people comes this place.
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Finished the dinner around the hotel and headed to Soi Cowboy. Like always, the street was packed with girls and guys. Went into Tilac first, all the girls dressed in white mini skirt and danced in the central stage and the small table before your chair. Sat for a while and find a few girls attractive. But they were all with the clients, so I finished my beer and moved on.

Checked the Lucky star, the girls there were half naked and were dancing in the central stage, but in my view, there were no girls appeal to me. So I didn’t wait for the show and left quickly.

After checked a few of bars, I settled in Baccara. The glass floor and the girls dancing on the stage are always worth of checking. I found out the girls dancing in the first floor were more attractive because of the long, slim and beautiful legs.

A tall and slim hottie caught my eye, bought her a drink, a very expensive one by the way, cost me 320B, while my own bear is only 150B. Talk a little bit and decided to take her. Barfine is still 600B, while she asked 2500B for ST time. I accepted because of I was weak for her beauty and also I was tired. Latter, I found myself wasn’t regret for this deal.

I may stay in BKK for another few days. More reports will come up. If any expert cares to teach me some lessons about this wonderful city, I would love to buy him a drink.

Richard 2008
11-17-10, 19:06
Brothers! I need your help. Since Taiwan became cold I'm heading to Bangkok. I'm looking for the place with a 'true' soapy massage (FS is not necessary). You know, the blowed mattres, soap or gel, like here: http://www.soapy-massage.com/thai-soapy-massage-turkish-bath-house.html
I tried Annies before but it's not the soap massage so I'm looking for the advice. Where to find it BKK. I read the forum but information about the soapy bath are quite old. Thanks!Hi there,

I suggest you give Cupity a try. Even though this place has a bad reputation about rip off. But you can still have a good deal if you know the trick. I myself, come from the mainland, always find hottie in the side line girls. All the girls there do the B course which meets your demand.

You can always find more useful information in the soapy thread. Wish you have a nice trip in BKK.

Goatboy55
11-19-10, 06:26
1/ Ordered in apple from mango to my room for 2(+) hrs - sensational, would have kept her the whole day if I could've.

2/ Rabbit has 'retired' from star of light a couple months ago. Apparently she saved up quite a bit of money over the yrs. I took a young cutie named Phung (something like that) and got good service.

3/ The gogos are not that appealing. Best I have seen was Rainbow 1. Couple of cuties in Suzie Wong. The thing that annoys me is that what was wrong with just having a beautiful thai girl with long straight black hair. Now its all back-combed, stupid fringes and dying it ginger to appeal to the Japanese.

4/ Staying in City Lodge soi 9 - very cheap (1099/night) close to BTS but a bit noisy. Girl Friendly as you'd expect (condoms and listerine on sale in the rooms lol).

Run Mann
11-19-10, 08:33
The thing that annoys me is that what was wrong with just having a beautiful thai girl with long straight black hair. Now its all back-combed, stupid fringes and dying it ginger to appeal to the Japanese.


From a marketing standpoint it’s understandable. They're trying to attract the easiest customers who are willing to pay the biggest buck. Ye-pun number one!

Rocksoff
11-19-10, 12:48
I drank there tonnes of times but could never get her to come with me.

If you (and others) are dropping that money drinking there, she doesn't need to go with anyone ;-)

I.e. drinking there is a good way to ensure that she doesn't go with you.

Evianist
11-19-10, 17:14
I stand corrected, there are ladyboys in the upstairs Mandarin bar in Nana. (By upstairs, I mean the one you walk-up into from the second floor at Nana. There is another Mandarin on the second floor.) The LBs dance in the tall & exotic shift, but not (I hope) in the barely legal team.

Damn, this is bad news. Mandarin is one of my favorites.

I've taken 3 girls out of there, but all from the youthful team. Have eyed a couple girls on the tall team though. Will not be doing that again.

Thanks for the report.

Evianist
11-19-10, 17:22
A few things I've learned from my thai gf:

-While Isaan girls generally enter the bar industry by their own volition, in northern thailand families will sell their daughters to brokers who then supply them to bars. This is quite common.

-The big thing for older thai men is "sideline" girls. This means under 20 years old, and often quite young. Thai men don't like them over 20. She said she had a friend in chiang mai who was 13 and working sideline. The girl kept a log and had been with about 300 men that year. My gf said she asked the girl why she kept a log, and apparently all the sideline girls did it because they were having a contest, purely for sport, to see who could bed the most men. Price for sideline girls is only about 500 baht.

Mr Enternational
11-19-10, 17:36
A few things I've learned from my thai gf:

-While Isaan girls generally enter the bar industry by their own volition, in northern thailand families will sell their daughters to brokers who then supply them to bars. This is quite common.

Price for sideline girls is only about 500 baht.Issan here I come!

Goatboy55
11-19-10, 20:48
For all visitors to 5 star, do they have LB in there? I was a bit drunk and was looking at a girl (number 1) but my LBdar was going crazy (probably due to the drinking) and I declined.

Was this a prudent move?

NicFrenchy
11-20-10, 06:45
A few things I've learned from my thai gf:

-While Isaan girls generally enter the bar industry by their own volition, in northern thailand families will sell their daughters to brokers who then supply them to bars. This is quite common.

-The big thing for older thai men is "sideline" girls. This means under 20 years old, and often quite young. Thai men don't like them over 20. She said she had a friend in chiang mai who was 13 and working sideline. The girl kept a log and had been with about 300 men that year. My gf said she asked the girl why she kept a log, and apparently all the sideline girls did it because they were having a contest, purely for sport, to see who could bed the most men. Price for sideline girls is only about 500 baht.

Fuckin disgustin

Bunky
11-20-10, 06:55
it has been awhile since this topic was updated, so i thought i'd post a trip report. hopefully it will be of some use to future visitors arriving at bkk for the first time.

as your flight nears bangkok the airline will provide you with an immigration form to fill out. take your time and complete it neatly and correctly. (don't forget the back side.) government bureaucrats the world over hate sloppy paperwork.

when you get off the plane your first stop will be immigration. follow the signs, taking the moving walkways as needed. hint: try to get off the plane first, and walk fast. if you get to immigration early the lines will be much shorter.

when you approach the immigration checkpoint there is a confusing sign that says "visa on arrival 140 meters" with an arrow pointing in a direction that is away from the immigration checkpoint. at the bottom of this sign it says in small letters "aot." this is a company that offers high-priced car service, along with "special handling" through immigration. don't fall for this scam. follow the overhead signs to the official immigration checkpoint.

discussion of thailand immigration law is beyond the scope of this report. so do your research and make sure you know what will be required for entry. i am a united states citizen, so i qualified for a 30-day "visa on arrival." officially the thai authorities reserve the right to require proof of financial solvency and evidence that you've booked "onward travel." my inspector didn't ask about those things. in fact, he didn't say a word. he stamped my passport with a visa indicating i could stay for 30 days, and he stapled to one of the pages a form i'll hand in when i leave.

after you pass through the immigration checkpoint you'll be in the main baggage claim area. rep001tered among the carousels there are booths to change money. they all offer the same rate. you can get a better rate in town, so don't change too much. make sure to get some hundred baht notes so you can pay the taxi fare.

finding the correct baggage carousel can be tricky. there are monitors showing all the incoming flights, but instead of listing the flights by city of origin they are listed by arrival time. even more confusing, if the flight originated in, say, chicago and connected in tokyo the origin may be listed as chicago instead of tokyo. also, many airline flights these days are "code share," so a single flight may have three different airlines and flight numbers associated with it and the monitor displays all three in rotation. i had to stand there for a good five minutes, forcing my jet-lagged brain to figure it out.

while you wait for your luggage, read the signs explaining the customs rules. most travelers will qualify for the "nothing to declare" line. near the baggage carousels there are free carts. very nice. load up your stuff and make your way to the exit, which is located on the opposite side of the hall from where the immigration inspectors are located. if you have nothing to declare, look for the green signs. the authorities reserve the right to inspect your luggage for contraband, either by hand or via an x-ray machine. i was waived through. i've read elsewhere this is common for western travelers.

once you clear customs follow the signs for "public taxi." you'll pass numerous people who work for car services who will try to sell you an expensive ride into town. unless you're made of money they are generally a bad deal. if you arranged with one of the independent taxi services (mr. t or mr. toom, for example) for a ride to points distant (like pattaya) look for your driver in this crowd.

if you're just going into bangkok via public taxi, you'll have to descend to the lower level. they have these nifty moving ramps that are a cross between an escalator and a moving sidewalk. very handy if you have a heavy baggage cart. at the bottom of the ramps you'll see door number four.

exit through door four and you'll see the taxi dispatcher. you'll also see a sign explaining there is a 50 baht surcharge for airport pickups. once you tell the dispatcher where you are going she'll fill out a form. one part goes to the driver and you keep the other half. all the major hotels are well known, but if you're headed someplace off the beaten path now is the time to ensure that the driver knows where's he's going. my hotel e-mailed me a map with the streets labeled in thai, but the dispatcher and the driver said that was unnecessary.

most of the taxis are toyota corollas with the "limo" package. as far as i can tell, this adds room to the back seat at the cost of a smaller trunk. if you're traveling alone there will be plenty of room for you and your things. (i most definitely do not pack light, and i was fine.) but if you're in a group or you have tons of baggage you should probably tell the dispatcher so she can rustle up a large vehicle.

once you get started the cab driver will ask: "highway?" tell him yes. he'll use the toll road, which is much faster. there are two tolls between the airport and downtown and you have to pay both. at the first toll plaza give the driver a hundred baht note. he'll pay that toll and hold on to the change. at the second toll plaza he'll pay that toll and give you some coins back. if i recall correctly, the tolls were 80 baht in all. so the added cost to save time is well worth it.

i was staying at the grand millennium, which is located near the intersection of sukhumvit and asok. the fare on the meter was 315 baht. with the surcharge it was 365 baht. tipping is not expected, but i gave the driver 400 baht.

so all in the taxi from the airport to downtown bangkok cost 480 baht. at the current exchange rate that's about usd $16. that's definitely a bargain compared to the car services, which charge thousands and thousands of baht. and i'm proof that a first time visitor who doesn't speak a word of thai was easily hire a public taxi.

hope this was helpful.

bunky

Mangofan
11-20-10, 07:11
If you're just going into Bangkok via public taxi, you'll have to descend to the lower level. They have these nifty moving ramps that are a cross between an escalator and a moving sidewalk. Very handy if you have a heavy baggage cart. At the bottom of the ramps you'll see door number four.


Bunky


Here's a tip - don't bother with the public taxis. Go to the upper level (the departures area) and go outside the airport. Cross the street and get into a taxi that has just dropped a passenger off. You'll waive the 50 baht surcharge.

TimTimGuy
11-20-10, 07:19
It has been awhile since this topic was updated, so I thought I'd post a trip report. Hopefully it will be of some use to future visitors arriving at BKK for the first time.

Hope this was helpful.

Bunky


Bunky, you have done a great job and I sure wish I were smart enough to cite your report in the Reports of Distinction. It would also be a good reference under the Airport info. ~TTG

NicFrenchy
11-20-10, 09:07
Here's a tip - don't bother with the public taxis. Go to the upper level (the departures area) and go outside the airport. Cross the street and get into a taxi that has just dropped a passenger off. You'll waive the 50 baht surcharge.

Yeah, I do that too but not that I'm a cheap fuck... I usually want to avoid the swarm of tourists and queuing for a Taxi.

Also, be firm, many of the taxis that just dropped off a passenger will try and get you to agree on a fixed fee. Just say "Meter" and if they are not interested, move on to the next taxi.

Evianist
11-20-10, 09:29
Airport taxi:

The tolls are 45 and 25, so a total of 70 baht, not 80.

315 on the meter from the airport to Asok/Nana is also a bit much. Should be more like 275, unless you're sitting in traffic.

You don't need to tip. Thai people never tip taxis.

The driver will always claim he doesn't have any change, so make sure you have smaller bills.

Another trick:

If you get into your taxi and he makes some comment about not using the meter and it being a fixed rate of 400 or 500 or 5000 or whatever, get out of the taxi and go back to the dispatcher and ask for a different driver. Your driver will be forced to go to the end of the queue, which potentially means an hour or more of waiting for a customer. Your new driver won't try to pull the same thing.

BKK Dreaming
11-20-10, 12:04
I always have 3 suitcases , its late and I am about to spend $2000-$3000 in the next couple weeks having fun,
I have just been on planes for 18 hours
I just say meter or do you want 400 baht , normally they go for the 400, which is the same they would get with meter, tolls and 50 baht airport fee and a small (less than $2) tip to round it up.
These guys make nothing for long days , if they get a fare to Soi 4 or Sukhumvit they have a chance for another fare, They are probably not going to head back to the airport and get in line again since all the flights have landed for the night.

Yeah screw the ones that want 1000 Baht , but its never happened to me yet

BK

1Ball
11-20-10, 12:26
For all visitors to 5 star, do they have LB in there? I was a bit drunk and was looking at a girl (number 1) but my LBdar was going crazy (probably due to the drinking) and I declined.

Was this a prudent move?
Never used to be, but yes, now there are 1 or 2 LBs.
A great bar for classic rock'n roll. Not a great bar for pick up.
Good luck.

Bunky
11-20-10, 13:37
I always have 3 suitcases , its late and I am about to spend $2000-$3000 in the next couple weeks having fun.This is my thought process as well. There's a limit to how much effort I'm going to make to save 0.01 percent of my total holiday budget. Moreover, when I'm posting something aimed at total novices, I generally leave out the super-inside-baseball tips. The Old Asia Hands always provide those in the followups.

Bunky

Webvantage
11-20-10, 13:38
What does all this mean? Well, I'm not going to ban myself from a bar just because it has ladyboys. If I did that I'd have no place to go. But, I'm not taking anyone from the tall-team at Mandarins ...From my experience as long as you are friendly the girls/LB will usually tell you the truth. Sometimes a drink or two really helps as well with getting the truth out. I admit I have said the line "I won't be mad if you are a LB, just tell me the truth" and smile at them. This strategy has not failed me yet and if I don't believe what I hear, there are always more girls out there that I can find. No problem.

Cheers

Jimmy Red Cab
11-20-10, 15:18
Airport taxi:

The tolls are 45 and 25, so a total of 70 baht, not 80.

315 on the meter from the airport to Asok/Nana is also a bit much. Should be more like 275, unless you're sitting in traffic.

You don't need to tip. Thai people never tip taxis.


Just because Thai people don't tip it doesn't mean it is right for tourists not to tip ---------- Bangkok cab drivers struggle to get a living, a 50 baht tip is nothing to most farangs, being a tight-arse is not clever.

Pita123
11-20-10, 15:22
Just because Thai people don't tip it doesn't mean it is right for tourists not to tip ---------- Bangkok cab drivers struggle to get a living, a 50 baht tip is nothing to most farangs, being a tight-arse is not clever.
I usually tip 100 to/from the airport.

When I'm taking a taxi in town I'll round up around 10 or 15 baht. The taxi drivers are always very happy and the vanilla Thai women are always impressed by the act of kindness since, as mentioned, Thais don't tip. BGs typically expect that you are an ATM anyway so are not impressed.

Evianist
11-20-10, 17:09
Just because Thai people don't tip it doesn't mean it is right for tourists not to tip ---------- Bangkok cab drivers struggle to get a living, a 50 baht tip is nothing to most farangs, being a tight-arse is not clever.

Ok for you, but I'm not a tourist; I live here. And tipping doesn't make you a champion poverty fighter. If you want to be generous try a legit charity rather than giving your excess to some shady tourist vulture taxi driver.



The taxi drivers are always very happy and the vanilla Thai women are always impressed by the act of kindness since, as mentioned, Thais don't tip. BGs typically expect that you are an ATM anyway so are not impressed.

Normal thai girls find it slightly embarrassing if you tip often since it means you're a clueless tourist and therefore she's probably a bargirl. Actual bargirls of course don't mind if you throw your money around.

I'll tip a taxi driver if he's particularly helpful and honest, but that only happens once in a while.

Lifeingr
11-20-10, 18:25
Ok for you, but I'm not a tourist; I live here. And tipping doesn't make you a champion poverty fighter. If you want to be generous try a legit charity rather than giving your excess to some shady tourist vulture taxi driver.

Normal thai girls find it slightly embarrassing if you tip often since it means you're a clueless tourist and therefore she's probably a bargirl. Actual bargirls of course don't mind if you throw your money around.

I'll tip a taxi driver if he's particularly helpful and honest, but that only happens once in a while.


I am not a tourist too and I use taxi almost everyday and I use taxi for the airport at least 40 times a year and I tip; in most of the cases.

Parenthesis: And before another smart comment about poverty fighting let me say that I donate at least 3% of my annual income (before taxes) to charities and if you think 3% is small let all of you "charity lovers" know that if every non-poor person in this planet would donate 1,2% of his annual income then we can easily stop poverty.
End of parenthesis.

You don't tip because you want to end up poverty; you tip because you are happy with a service and because you know also that your tip will be appreciated. Full stop.

As I say, I use taxi from and to the airport at least 40 times per year. And when I take a taxi from the airport I always take a public one from the taxi stand. With one exception (over the last 20 months) I get a fine service, nobody tried to cheat me and the taxi driver was polite, helped me with my luggages and made sure that we were taking the best available direction to my destination.

This attitude of giving advice to visitors to "not tip" is quite pathetic. If someone doesn't want to tip fine but if another one wants to tip then do not try to proselytize him with your personal (and probably unacceptable for many others) pathetic behaviors. If a non-tipper want to make a campaign of non-tipping then better to start an NGO and explain why we should not tip in Thailand but please spare all these big words about charities and philanthropy and the "vulture taxi drivers". Especially the ones in the taxi stand in the airport are pretty fine guys. Is this a reference to the taxi drivers waiting outside Soi Cowboy? Some of them might be characterized like that but again, they respond to a demand you know, and if someone is happy to pay the amount they ask then it is fine OK.

And don't please use the ridiculous excuse that the customers that they accept high prices are spoiling the market. No they do not they just respond to an offer that it is there for them and NOT for the others that they will go by the meter. The market will change when and if the price per Km. get higher.

Another point, the final one, that Thais do not tip. No they tip and I've been many times with Thais in taxis and restaurants and bars and hair salons and they tip. The minimum, 20 baht yes, because probably this is what they can afford, but THEY TIP. And Thai girls (as ALL women on this world) are quite happy when you tip because they understand that you are a nice guy and they probably want to be with a nice guy. The "bitter" and unsatisfied ones probably do not like seeing their guys tipping.

In a nutshell: it is everyones right to tip or not. When the ones that they do not tip accuse the ones that tip for me that only means that the non-tippers are probably feeling bad because they don't tip and they want to make everybody like them.

Evianist
11-20-10, 18:47
This attitude of giving advice to visitors to "not tip" is quite pathetic. If someone doesn't want to tip fine but if another one wants to tip then do not try to proselytize him with your personal (and probably unacceptable for many others) pathetic behaviors. If a non-tipper want to make a campaign of non-tipping then better to start an NGO and explain why we should not tip in Thailand but please spare all these big words about charities and philanthropy and the "vulture taxi drivers". Especially the ones in the taxi stand in the airport are pretty fine guys. Is this a reference to the taxi drivers waiting outside Soi Cowboy? Some of them might be characterized like that but again, they respond to a demand you know, and if someone is happy to pay the amount they ask then it is fine OK.


Look, I don't care if people tip, but you don't need to. Especially not 100 baht; that's just excessive unless the guy is giving you a handjob while he's driving, which probably isn't safe.

Some of the airport taxi drivers are nice guys, and some are looking to prey on jetlagged first timers. If he doesn't want to use the meter, he's not a good guy.



Another point, the final one, that Thais do not tip. No they tip and I've been many times with Thais in taxis and restaurants and bars and hair salons and they tip. The minimum, 20 baht yes, because probably this is what they can afford, but THEY TIP. And Thai girls (as ALL women on this world) are quite happy when you tip because they understand that you are a nice guy and they probably want to be with a nice guy. The "bitter" and unsatisfied ones probably do not like seeing their guys tipping.

Sorry, you're 100% wrong on this one. Thais do not tip. They round it off to the nearest 5 in regards to taxis. At restaurants maybe they'll leave the coins from the change and take the notes.

I was tipping my first few months in thailand until multiple non-bargirls kept telling me it's not normal practice to tip. Even now I'll sometimes ask "should I tip?" and I'll get a confused look and a "no, not tip".



In a nutshell: it is everyones right to tip or not. When the ones that they do not tip accuse the ones that tip for me that only means that the non-tippers are probably feeling bad because they don't tip and they want to make everybody like them.

People really get fired up about this tipping issue. I guess some people measure their manhood by the size of their tip.

Lifeingr
11-20-10, 19:03
People really get fired up about this tipping issue. I guess some people measure their manhood by the size of their tip.

No, I measure my manhood by the size of my car and I have a very small old mini cooper if this is what you like to hear :-B

We are getting fired up not because of the tipping issue but because we are really sick and tired to listen and read all these "expert's advice" on living or touring in Thailand that (according to our view) are pretty wrong and we just want to say to the visitors that there is another view also.

And now I'll stop writing about tipping and I am going to finish my report about last night's adventure.

Opebo
11-20-10, 19:21
Another point, the final one, that Thais do not tip. No they tip and I've been many times with Thais in taxis and restaurants and bars and hair salons and they tip. The minimum, 20 baht yes, because probably this is what they can afford, but THEY TIP.

I have a great many Thai friends, the majority of whom are quite a bit richer than me, and they only leave the coins. Twenty baht note tips are reserved only for the most cutey-pie waitresses, or waitresses who used to be or currently are your students, things like that. Generally its just - don't bother to pick up the few baht of coins.

Also referring to my Thai friends, they generally go to 1,200-1,800 baht level soapies upcountry, where they always tip 100 baht. (or nothing if the service is bad, but a standard 100 baht if the service is good). On the rare occasions they 'slum it' and go to a cheap lady-house, they usually tip about 10% - so 50-60 baht. Similarly, they tip only 20-40 baht for regular massages (which are typically 200-400 baht up here).

Lifeingr
11-20-10, 22:25
I've just had returned in Bangkok from an exhausting, useless and surreal business trip in India. Business have gone terribly wrong, and I desperately wanted to infuse my existence in the scent of this heavenly environment of loud music, naked bodies, alcohol and naughtiness that listens to the name “Bangkok go-go scene”.

Shaving, shower, trimming+shaving, 3 minutes under plenty of cold (for BKK standards) water, jeans and white shirt and the looser is out heading to the Soi Cowboy. On the way to the Soi, the mp3 player is repeatedly playing the “I want it all” ;

…......hear the cry of youth, I want it all I want it all I want it all and I want it now.....



After the 20 minutes ride, the influence of Queens and my motionless dancing, gastric liquids are storming my stomach. A quick dinner at the Old Dutch and first stop at the other end of the Soi; Tillac.

Most of the nights that I barfly in Cowboy I start with Tillac. I feel that I have to pay tribute to the parade of “mons pubis” above my head (I always sit at the main bar) and imagine their inners, by secretly looking under the mini skirts as an anatomist that has lost his license and tries to substitute the efficacy of his dissector with the experience of his brain. The first pussy that was dancing above me that night was shapeless, well trimmed, meaty and uninspiring. After some rounds of average pussies a real “peach” came above my head. You know this image, a perfectly shaped pubic area, one that can give for sure a perfect cameltoe under tight thin shorts or any other kind of tight fitting. Beside the shape this pussy was giving the impression of a perfect texture; a soft, hairless, spotless skin that is there to be kissed, sucked, licked, and celebrated in any possible way a pair of lips and a tongue can do. My brain started to imagine the inner parts of this vulva and a picture of pink and small labia accompanied by a tight, juicy and slippery vaginal opening started to take the form of a gigantic poster in from of me. My brain immediately projected this image to my cock who seemed extremely happy and responded by changing his size in an effort to take a look himself of the pussy. Given the restrictions of my jeans he was not able to take a look so I decided to make him a favor and give him a first hand experience with this pussy.

Let me say here that in the majority of the cases when I want to BF a girl I take my time and try to have a discussion with the lady and see if there is any kind of chemistry. But at the beginning of that night's adventure I was in a mood for a quicky and that pussy gave me all good reasons to make a fast decision.

Needless to say that the entire time I was observing this “peach” I took no look in the remaining of the package except a pair of fine, medium length, legs. I just wanted to eat this pussy but I took a look at the rest of the package and once face got my approval I asked mama to send the girl to me.

The girl came to me, late-twenties, an OK face, long hairs, small lips and a nice pair of tits of average size. Her English were minimal but I didn't care. I wanted to eat her pussy there and now but given the impossibility of this I immediately asked her for a ST offer. The usual price was quoted, I agreed paid the BF and once she changed clothes off we go to the short time hotel at Asok. This has been my quickest pick up of a bar girl in my entire life.

I started eating her out in the shower. I know it is usually the other way around and she was a bit surprised I think but that was what exactly I wanted to do at that point. On the bed and she tries to start a BJ on me but I still want to eat more pussy and to explore the inner part of her vulva. Her labia were almost as I've imagined them, pink and small but her vaginal opening was quite wide but still nice and slippery. I think I was eating her out for more than 15 minutes and at the same time fingering her vagina with my right index and inserting just half an inch of my middle finger in her tight asshole. She was extremely responsive, and when she understood that I had no intention to put my whole finger or something else inside her asshole she started to rub her clit and been very wet down there. The whole pressure from my miserable failed business trip was concentrating during these 15 minutes down to my balls preparing an explosion and I knew that I needed only a couple of minutes of penetration or BJ to come. At one point it seemed to me that she came (or fake it; I was not really in a mental situation to understand if it was real or fake) and at that point my appetite for raw pussy was also fulfilled. Condom on, and after maybe three minutes inside her pussy I know that I do not want to restrain my ejaculation inside a rubber sausage skin, I take the condom off and start to masturbate in front of her tits. She immediately takes my cock towards her mouth but just saying first “please no come inside”. She starts a rather intense BJ, I ask her to slow down (both verbally and by gesturing), she responds well and although now the BJ is slow and soft I know I'll not last long. After another 2 minutes I take my cock off her mouth and explode my sperm hard on her tits, chin and neck. The ejaculation is voluminous and she makes a number of exclamations of surprise.

My whole stress has disappeared and I feel now 40 pounds lighter, calmer, relaxed and satisfied. She runs into the shower and when she comes back she takes a look at her watch and seeing that not more than 30 minutes have passed from the time we started she asks me “more boom boom?”. I smile and say to her “no, I'll finish my cigarette and we go”. She comes to bed with me and caresses me while I smoke, we say nothing I've my eyes closed and I just want to have a nice drink.



Back to the Cowboy and I go to Rawhide. Shows are on their pick the bar is almost full but I find a corner to sit my ass. A beauty is coming to my side after some minutes, I buy her a drink, try to start up a kind of discussion with no success, and then trying to see if she is in a mood to make a bit out with me to show up intentions for the rest of the night. She is not responding well so after I finished my drink I leave Rawhide and I start to think of alternatives.

As I am resembling a number of go-go bars and my experience in them, my database makes a pause at Carousel in NEP and in a very interesting night I've had there with a cute face. I didn't BF her that night (some weeks or a month ago) but we've had a perfect time together, making out with deep kissing, fondling, lap dancing etc. (there is a report somewhere in the Forum about this night which was actually my first night at NEP). Back at that night I've told Anna (or Anne?) that I was not in the mood to take a girl out but I'll might return one night for her.

After 20 minutes I am at Carousel, I take a look to find Anna but since there are many people there and many girls dancing all around I can't find her. I take I sit and to my big surprise Anna has spotted me and she comes to my side literally 2 minutes after I ordered my drink. I do believe that Thais remember very well faces and it has happened many times to be recognized in many places I've been only once, but a bar girl that we spend less than one hour together more than a month ago, recognizing me was a bit of a surprise. She says to me that she is very glad to see me again and she proposes to move to a table (I was in the bar).

We move to the table and even before I order her drink she is very enthusiastic, she is making full body contact and the first deep kiss comes in a matter of seconds. We cheer on our drinks and she asks me what I was doing all that time while she is literally on me playing with many parts of my body. She speaks very good English and now that I see her for a second time I still like her very cute smile and the way she looks at me. Despite the fact that her body is just average (she is at her early thirties) she has such a sensual style that made me feel perfect and I really liked being with her.

Once my drink is finished she asks me if I want a second drink but I say to her that I do not need another drink and I want to take her out and I ask for the quote. She responds to me 2000 ST and 2500 LT and I ask her what she prefers (I think now that it was a stupid question). She says that she wants LT I agree and ask her to call the mama for the bill. There were a couple of girls in the left side of our table together with a mama, Anna says something to them in Thai and give them a face and I think that everybody looked a bit surprised with the fact that I've chosen her. While Anna was changing the mama tries to ask for a tip or a round of drinks for her and the other girls, I politely refuse but I give a good tip to the waiter that brought the bill.

We take a taxi and 15 minutes after we are at my hotel. We smoke a cigarette while having a drink and after some discussion is time for shower. I can see again that her body is average, she has birth marks and some fat in the lower part of her belly but I've already established chemistry with her so everything before, during and after the shower run perfectly well.

Anna is a great kisser, she has among the best DFK skills I've found in a bar girl and on top of this her BJ skills were also very good. In the first round of sex we've had lots of oral, many positions, and generally a great GF sex that ended in an intense orgasm from my side. Anna didn't came but she was quite responsive when I finished. After another quick shower, drinks and smoke, with me lying on the bed and her siting in the armchair that she has moved close to the bed with her legs wide open. We had a long discussion during which she was mostly doing the talk. She told me her story of working in a company some years ago, but after some financial crisis in the company she get sucked and, after some unsuccessful tries to find another job matching her experience in another company, how she started to work at the go-go bars since she has a child to support. She talked to me about a couple of semi-permanent boy friends that she has, some problems with one of them that seems to be a self-destructive type of guy and many other stories. She show me a number of sms between she and one of the boy friends (the problematic one) and she explained a situation where she has to make a decision on some issues and she even asked my advise and ask me if “as a man” I could imagine what her boy friend had in his mind. I explained that it is extremely difficult for me to understand the situation but since the decision that he has to make is involving some serious change in her life she should be very careful etc. I get the impression that she loves the guy though.

She told me that she likes to talk with me but she wanted some more sex so she came next to me in the bed and we started a second round that proved to be very long, nice and having both of us coming.

After three rounds at that night I was exhausted and I think that 5 minutes after our third shower Morpheus took both of us in his arms.

The next morning we had another round, then breakfast together and after I paid and tip her we said good bye and she left. She tried to give me her phone but this is not something I am doing with bar girls in Bangkok as I've written in other reports.

Overall a great night with a quick, great, antidepressant fuck with the Tilac girl (sorry I remember no name or number) and a fantastic GFE with Anna which I'll try to repeat (if she will be still around).

Etaoin2003
11-21-10, 04:02
Bunky, you have done a great job and I sure wish I were smart enough to cite your report in the Reports of Distinction. It would also be a good reference under the Airport info. ~TTG

Done. http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=1094771&postcount=283

The trick is to look for the "#XXX" link in the blue bar at the top of a post. Copy the link address (right click) and paste it into a post in the "Reports of Distinction" thread.

Pita123
11-21-10, 09:15
Normal thai girls find it slightly embarrassing if you tip often since it means you're a clueless tourist and therefore she's probably a bargirl.

That may be true if you are dropping a 40 baht tip on a 60 baht tab. I've had many vanilla girls comment on how it is nice and also seen them do it themselves when they are paying for the taxi. Fare is 47 baht? They tell the driver to return 50 baht. But your experience is obviously different.

Pita123
11-21-10, 09:19
Sorry, you're 100% wrong on this one. Thais do not tip. They round it off to the nearest 5 in regards to taxis. At restaurants maybe they'll leave the coins from the change and take the notes.

I do the same as them. And, that's a tip mate.

Lifeingr
11-21-10, 09:23
I have a great many Thai friends, the majority of whom are quite a bit richer than me, and they only leave the coins. Twenty baht note tips are reserved only for the most cutey-pie waitresses, or waitresses who used to be or currently are your students, things like that. Generally its just - don't bother to pick up the few baht of coins.

Also referring to my Thai friends, they generally go to 1,200-1,800 baht level soapies upcountry, where they always tip 100 baht. (or nothing if the service is bad, but a standard 100 baht if the service is good). On the rare occasions they 'slum it' and go to a cheap lady-house, they usually tip about 10% - so 50-60 baht. Similarly, they tip only 20-40 baht for regular massages (which are typically 200-400 baht up here).

Fine, so they tip! Coins, 20 baht, 50-60 baht, 100 baht, 20-40 baht; all these are tips guys!

Opebo
11-21-10, 10:50
Fine, so they tip! Coins, 20 baht, 50-60 baht, 100 baht, 20-40 baht; all these are tips guys!

Yeah, I wasn't disputing you, just kind of fine-tuning the point. I think Thais view tipping anyone in a normal job such as taxi driver or waitress as really not necessary, and leave the coins more to show they're not needy than to benefit the staff. They do view some small tip in a high-service field like prostitutoin or massage as being reasonable. Of course it all varies - a nouveau riche Thai dude trying to show off, or bag a cute waitress who's not normally on the game may tip her 100 baht on a 300 baht bill.

Interestingly, at the higher end soapies I believe the rich Thais make it more of a point to tip the 'cheer man' (the guy who advises you and suggests girls), since he is the one who gives you tips on which is the best girl. If he knows you are a man worth pleasing, he'll actually recommend the very best ones, if not, just the ones starving for custom. Most of my friends eschew Soapies in the Capital, however, and prefer to wait till they're up in Korat or Khon Kaen for a better value.

Lifeingr
11-21-10, 11:05
Yeah, I wasn't disputing you, just kind of fine-tuning the point. I think Thais view tipping anyone in a normal job such as taxi driver or waitress as really not necessary, and leave the coins more to show they're not needy than to benefit the staff. They do view some small tip in a high-service field like prostitutoin or massage as being reasonable. Of course it all varies - a nouveau riche Thai dude trying to show off, or bag a cute waitress who's not normally on the game may tip her 100 baht on a 300 baht bill.

Interestingly, at the higher end soapies I believe the rich Thais make it more of a point to tip the 'cheer man' (the guy who advises you and suggests girls), since he is the one who gives you tips on which is the best girl. If he knows you are a man worth pleasing, he'll actually recommend the very best ones, if not, just the ones starving for custom. Most of my friends eschew Soapies in the Capital, however, and prefer to wait till they're up in Korat or Khon Kaen for a better value.

OK point noted. I have experience only in BKK and don't know at all the scene in Korat or Khon Kaen. I might visit Korat though early next year so I'll try to learn somethings before the visit.

Hobbying
11-21-10, 15:42
Fellow mongers, I have had it with terrible service I've been getting in latin america and everyone tells me to try BKK. It's very far for me and I don't have much days off but I'm heading there next month for only 3 days. Since my time is limited plus advice what are the top 3 clubs to go to and the fees I should pay. I like where there is a big selection.

Thanks all

Bunky
11-21-10, 23:33
I've been favorably impressed by the lineup at the Rawhide Go Go in Soi Cowboy lately. I favor the slimmer, more spinner like girls and there are several hotties in the Rawhide that I think are hot. It's also a pleasant club, with excellent aircon, comfortable seating and beers at 140 baht. Bar fines are 600 for the regular girls and 800 for those that dance in the "sexy show." Frankly I think the regular girls are just as hot as the showgirls.

Pulled "New" recently. In the bar she seemed to be a high energy girl with a happy disposition. On stage she amazed me with a tight figure, pretty face and sexy dance moves. Bought her the obligatory lady drink (cola) and she seemed up for the game. (If you catch my meaning. A nod's as good as a wink to a blind bat.) There was some language barrier (she claimed to be Japanese) but eventually "barfine" sunk in and we were off to my hotel.

In the "loom" things took a turn for the worse. New didn't want to take a shower. OK. Whatever. After I showered and returned to the bedroom New acted, to be polite, squirrely. As in odd, hyper, amped up, and not all there. Perhaps she was high, or maybe just nervous. Admittedly, there was quite a language barrier. New had trouble understanding ever pidgeon/bar English. But how much English does it take to get through a short time session?

It took forever to coax her out of her clothes. Another bad sign. When she finally lowered her pretty little face to my cock for a BBBJ her technique was excellent. But after a few minutes she asked if I had a condom. Of course, I said, here you go.

At this point New got even hinkier. She disappeared to the bathroom and when she came back I could tell that she was unwilling to proceed. After about five minutes of talking past each other in our mother tongues, I asked New: "You wan't to go?" Yes, she said.

As the guys on Wall Street say, you should let the winners run and cut your losses when you pick a loser. I expected New to hit the door, but instead she called a girlfriend and insisted that I talk to her. The woman questioned me about the hotel I was staying in. I explained it was the Grand Millennium on Asok near Soi Cowboy. "Yes I know that hotel," the woman said.

Peachy. So the girlfriend's a travel agent. My more immediate problem after ringing off was how to send New on her way. Hated to be rude, but with the language barrier I resorted to "You go now!' That finally sunk in. New looked pitiful and said "You angry?" Yes, I said, I'm angry. But you need to leave.

"I get my period," New tried to explain. I didn't buy that, but whatever. "OK. You go now. This is for taxi" I said, giving her 100 baht. New tried to explain again: "I go bathroom, get period tonight." Fine. Just. Leave.

I hated to do it, but I put my hand in the small of her back and, as they say, "ushered her to the door."

Later in my bathroom I did notice a couple of spots of what looked like blood on a towel. So I suppose it's possible that New was surprised by an early visit from Aunt Flo.

A more professional girl might have offered a blowjob. (And I have to concede Kat was damn good at that.) But she didn't.

Perhaps Kat really is Japanese, she prefers to go with Japanese men, and for some reason she didn't want to close the deal with a gaijin. Perhaps she meant well, but was genuinely surprised when her monthly bill arrived early. Or maybe she was so high she had no idea what was going on.

The photo posting button isn't working right now. So I can't post Kat's pix. But rest assured she's pretty. So pretty, in fact, that you might be tempted. As they say on the net YMMV and caveat emptor.

Bunky

Bunky
11-21-10, 23:45
Let's see if this works.

Again, I'm willing to give this girl the benefit of the doubt. But take care if you think about going with her.

Bunky

Mangofan
11-22-10, 00:56
I've been favorably impressed by the lineup at the Rawhide Go Go in Soi Cowboy lately. I favor the slimmer, more spinner like girls and there are several hotties in the Rawhide that I think are hot. It's also a pleasant club, with excellent aircon, comfortable seating and beers at 140 baht. Bar fines are 600 for the regular girls and 800 for those that dance in the "sexy show." Frankly I think the regular girls are just as hot as the showgirls.

Pulled "New" recently. In the bar she seemed to be a high energy girl with a happy disposition. On stage she amazed me with a tight figure, pretty face and sexy dance moves. Bought her the obligatory lady drink (cola) and she seemed up for the game. (If you catch my meaning. A nod's as good as a wink to a blind bat.) There was some language barrier (she claimed to be Japanese) but eventually "barfine" sunk in and we were off to my hotel.

In the "loom" things took a turn for the worse. New didn't want to take a shower. OK. Whatever. After I showered and returned to the bedroom New acted, to be polite, squirrely. As in odd, hyper, amped up, and not all there. Perhaps she was high, or maybe just nervous. Admittedly, there was quite a language barrier. New had trouble understanding ever pidgeon/bar English. But how much English does it take to get through a short time session?

It took forever to coax her out of her clothes. Another bad sign. When she finally lowered her pretty little face to my cock for a BBBJ her technique was excellent. But after a few minutes she asked if I had a condom. Of course, I said, here you go.

At this point New got even hinkier. She disappeared to the bathroom and when she came back I could tell that she was unwilling to proceed. After about five minutes of talking past each other in our mother tongues, I asked New: "You wan't to go?" Yes, she said.

As the guys on Wall Street say, you should let the winners run and cut your losses when you pick a loser. I expected New to hit the door, but instead she called a girlfriend and insisted that I talk to her. The woman questioned me about the hotel I was staying in. I explained it was the Grand Millennium on Asok near Soi Cowboy. "Yes I know that hotel," the woman said.

Peachy. So the girlfriend's a travel agent. My more immediate problem after ringing off was how to send New on her way. Hated to be rude, but with the language barrier I resorted to "You go now!' That finally sunk in. New looked pitiful and said "You angry?" Yes, I said, I'm angry. But you need to leave.

"I get my period," New tried to explain. I didn't buy that, but whatever. "OK. You go now. This is for taxi" I said, giving her 100 baht. New tried to explain again: "I go bathroom, get period tonight." Fine. Just. Leave.

I hated to do it, but I put my hand in the small of her back and, as they say, "ushered her to the door."

Later in my bathroom I did notice a couple of spots of what looked like blood on a towel. So I suppose it's possible that New was surprised by an early visit from Aunt Flo.

A more professional girl might have offered a blowjob. (And I have to concede Kat was damn good at that.) But she didn't.

Perhaps Kat really is Japanese, she prefers to go with Japanese men, and for some reason she didn't want to close the deal with a gaijin. Perhaps she meant well, but was genuinely surprised when her monthly bill arrived early. Or maybe she was so high she had no idea what was going on.

The photo posting button isn't working right now. So I can't post Kat's pix. But rest assured she's pretty. So pretty, in fact, that you might be tempted. As they say on the net YMMV and caveat emptor.

Bunky



She doesn't look even close to Japanese. You should also go back to the bar and demand your barfine back.

Raftwee
11-22-10, 05:48
Pregnant women do not lactate as far as I know. Only during childirth a hormone called progesterone I believe is released causing breasts to lactate.

However breasts become enalrged and full with milk ducts enlarging. sometimes there is some extrusion of fluid which is not sweet like breast milk.
Newborns do not really drink milk for couple days that much. Once the breast feeding occurs more and more milk is produced. this lasts as long as the woman keeps on breast feeding her child. I picked up one girl from LA cafe a while ago and her breast was full of milk . She was still breastfeeding her child who was 4 years old. Her brest milk tasted supersweet.Hi Sammon,

I will be heading to Bangkok on Wed 24/11/10!

Is there anyway you can shed more information on lactating lady you picked up from LA Cafe? The information you share will mean alot to me because I have been trying to fulfil this fetish of my for years without and success! And here I read so many reports about lactating ladies! Can you please share with me? Many thanks in advance!

Raftwee
11-22-10, 05:54
There is a girl who advertises on Craigslist for Bangkok that says she is pregnant and in the Sukhumvit area. Says she is lactating. She posts from time to time on CraigslistThank you for sharing this! I work on it and I will be meeting her this coming Wednesday! I amso thrilled because this is my first time meeting a lactating lady!

Updates: she has since given birth and is now a the cup according to her! So if she is like what she says in her ads full of milk and sporting model looks, my prayers will be answered! But I am also expecting her not to be like what she says so I need a backup plan B.

There are many milk reports here in Thailand and if there is a kind soul out there who come across a lactatinglady with lots of milk, please share with me and I can exchange with you all that I have!

Thanks and wish me luck!

Bunky
11-22-10, 06:00
This morning I found a mysterious tablet on the floor near the chair where Kat was sitting last night. As you can see from the attached photos, the tablet is small, heart-shaped and a pale yellow in color.

Any amateur pharmacists (or actual pharmacists for that matter) out there who can advise what type of pill this is?

Bunky

Daddy07
11-22-10, 06:14
I've been favorably impressed by the lineup at the Rawhide Go Go in Soi Cowboy lately...

Pulled "New" recently. In the bar she seemed to be a high energy girl with a happy disposition...

In the "loom" things took a turn for the worse. New didn't want to take a shower... It took forever to coax her out of her clothes...

... At this point New got even hinkier. She disappeared to the bathroom and when she came back I could tell that she was unwilling to proceed. After about five minutes of talking past each other in our mother tongues, I asked New: "You wan't to go?" Yes, she said.

As the guys on Wall Street say, you should let the winners run and cut your losses when you pick a loser. I expected New to hit the door, but instead she called a girlfriend and insisted that I talk to her...

Peachy. So the girlfriend's a travel agent. My more immediate problem after ringing off was how to send New on her way. Hated to be rude, but with the language barrier I resorted to "You go now!' That finally sunk in. New looked pitiful and said "You angry?" Yes, I said, I'm angry. But you need to leave.

"I get my period," New tried to explain. I didn't buy that, but whatever. "OK. You go now. This is for taxi" I said, giving her 100 baht. New tried to explain again: "I go bathroom, get period tonight." Fine. Just. Leave...

...Later in my bathroom I did notice a couple of spots of what looked like blood on a towel. So I suppose it's possible that New was surprised by an early visit from Aunt Flo.

A more professional girl might have offered a blowjob. (And I have to concede Kat was damn good at that.) But she didn't.

Perhaps Kat really is Japanese, ...

The photo posting button isn't working right now. So I can't post Kat's pix... Bunky

Well, OK, already, but is her name "New" or "Kat"?

Sounds like she disappeared into your bathroom as New and came out as Kat after leaving blood drops on your towels.

Why didn't you just ask her to finish you with a BBBJ? ... a better way to "cut your losses" IMHO than becoming angry and tossing her out the door.

Deal Seeker
11-22-10, 06:23
This morning I found a mysterious tablet on the floor near the chair where Kat was sitting last night. As you can see from the attached photos, the tablet is small, heart-shaped and a pale yellow in color.

Any amateur pharmacists (or actual pharmacists for that matter) out there who can advise what type of pill this is?

Bunky

With no identifying numbers, and apparently crude construction....my guess is yaba. But sorry, not a pharmacist...but I do administer medication professionally.

Perhaps the heart shape denotes purpose? Ecstasy/MDMA?

Mouse1
11-22-10, 06:33
With no identifying numbers, and apparently crude construction....my guess is yaba. But sorry, not a pharmacist...but I do administer medication professionally.

Perhaps the heart shape denotes purpose? Ecstasy/MDMA?Also not a prescribing physician, but looks 'home-made' or 'garage-made'. So either talcum powder or ecstasy, I would guess.

Bunky
11-22-10, 06:39
Is her name "New" or "Kat"? * * * Why didn't you just ask her to finish you with a BBBJ?Her name was Kat. Sorry about the typo. As for finishing with a BBBJ in lieu of boom boom, I did suggest that after Kat emerged from the bathroom. She refused in no uncertain terms. Even though I didn't understand what she was saying, her conduct and body language made it plain she wanted to leave.

Mouse1
11-22-10, 07:16
I arrived at Swampy Airport late on Saturday night after my flight was delayed 2 hours. (Air India - the delay was actually waiting for the crew to arrive, and the plane was on the ground, but the ground staff seemingly didn't have time to even clean the toilets. I only flew AI out of desperation and would never willingly do so.) In something of a rush I dashed to immigration, only to be confronted by lots of signs saying 'Visa On Arrival (that's me) This Way'. A new system for immigration? So I followed the signs only to be met by a scarily long queue with about 2 immigration staff preparing for an all-nighter. I went to a help-desk to see if this really was the option, and was pointed firmly to the back of the queue.

Naturally I insouciantly jumped into the non-queue saying 'fast-track only', and explained that I had travelled First Class from the UK to Delhi but had to switch flights onto Economy due to over-booked flight, or some such story. It got me past the first gate-keeper, but after much sucking of teeth the Immigration officer decided that because I didn't have a Fast-Track Voucher, there was no way she would let me through. Even with 500 people queuing in the other lanes and no-one in her queue. B***h.

I was sent back to the concourse with another guy, and we tried to find out where we should go, but the staff didn't seem to know, although the massive queue was waiting for us. Eventually we wandered along to what proved to be the standard Immigration entry, where there were no queues and the usual dozen desks, and miraculously I was through Immigration in seconds.

So the point of the story is that there is no change in procedures at Swampy. I have no idea what the scarily long queue was for, but they are probably still queuing today. And don't be misled by signs that say 'Visa On Arrival This Way'. It's bollox.

Stakeout
11-22-10, 07:44
It seems like the entertainment starts in the evening at both Soi Cowboy and Nana Entertainment. So if I am in the mood for some fun in the afternoon, where in Bangkok do I go to find girls?

Stakeout
11-22-10, 07:47
Will girls generally perform OWO and DFK, or do you have to make sure the girl will perform these services before you agree to barfine her?

Opebo
11-22-10, 11:39
...'Visa On Arrival (that's me) This Way'.

Eventually we wandered along to what proved to be the standard Immigration entry, where there were no queues and the usual dozen desks, and miraculously I was through Immigration in seconds.

I have no idea what the scarily long queue was for, but they are probably still queuing today. And don't be misled by signs that say 'Visa On Arrival This Way'. It's bollox.

I'm going to hazard that you in fact are not 'Visa On Arrival', but merely 'Thirty Day Stamp', like most tourists. The latter is a waiver of visa requirement for citizens of the privileged nations (I'm guessing from your 'bollox' you come from Britain perhaps, definitely one of the privileged). The long queue was for those poor unfortunates who have to actually apply for a visa upon arrival, not just get a 30 day stamp.

As an aside, remember - the Thais in fact never do anything irrationally. Perceptions to the contrary are, I'm afraid, just finger pointing by the confused foreigner.

Mouse1
11-22-10, 12:52
I'm going to hazard that you in fact are not 'Visa On Arrival', but merely 'Thirty Day Stamp', like most tourists. The latter is a waiver of visa requirement for citizens of the privileged nations (I'm guessing from your 'bollox' you come from Britain perhaps, definitely one of the privileged). The long queue was for those poor unfortunates who have to actually apply for a visa upon arrival, not just get a 30 day stamp.

As an aside, remember - the Thais in fact never do anything irrationally. Perceptions to the contrary are, I'm afraid, just finger pointing by the confused foreigner.You are quite correct, and in fact the doorway to the 'visa on arrival' was emblazoned with the names of countries, but not the UK, so I should have worked it out. But I wasn't the only one confused... And wherever else I go, entry is usually called 'Visa on arrival'. I agree it was mainly my mistake, and hopefully our posts will have stopped others being confused.

'The Thais never do anything irrationally'? They'll be the only bleedin' people in the world who don't then! :)

Rjsss212
11-22-10, 13:28
I'm going to hazard that you in fact are not 'Visa On Arrival', but merely 'Thirty Day Stamp', like most tourists. The latter is a waiver of visa requirement for citizens of the privileged nations (I'm guessing from your 'bollox' you come from Britain perhaps, definitely one of the privileged). The long queue was for those poor unfortunates who have to actually apply for a visa upon arrival, not just get a 30 day stamp.

As an aside, remember - the Thais in fact never do anything irrationally. Perceptions to the contrary are, I'm afraid, just finger pointing by the confused foreigner.


I guess rationale then, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder (or beerholder as I like to say). And as far the Brits being privileged, hmmm, again that DEFINITELY depends on your perspective…

Mouse1
11-22-10, 14:43
I guess rationale then, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder (or beerholder as I like to say). And as far the Brits being privileged, hmmm, again that DEFINITELY depends on your perspective…Probably just referring to our innate superiority over all other peoples and races. :)

Rjsss212
11-22-10, 14:52
Probably just referring to our innate superiority over all other peoples and races. :)

Yea that did sound a bit harsh and I really didn't mean it that way at all but if that's how you feel then more power to you MIGHTY MOUSE!

NicFrenchy
11-22-10, 17:34
I arrived at Swampy Airport late on Saturday night after my flight was delayed 2 hours. (Air India - the delay was actually waiting for the crew to arrive, and the plane was on the ground, but the ground staff seemingly didn't have time to even clean the toilets. I only flew AI out of desperation and would never willingly do so.)

Why not take a Direct Flight? and Air India??? oh God I would never set foot in that even if I was offered a Free Ticket.

Jimmy Red Cab
11-22-10, 20:33
Will girls generally perform OWO and DFK, or do you have to make sure the girl will perform these services before you agree to barfine her?

Never assume ANYTHING, discuss the services you expect plus how long the girl is going to stay ---- ST & LT can mean whatever they want it to mean.

Mouse1
11-23-10, 04:45
Why not take a Direct Flight? and Air India??? oh God I would never set foot in that even if I was offered a Free Ticket.It was a direct flight. Direct from India where my company thinks I am... AI was the only flight departing to BKK that afternoon.

Just don't eat food or go to the toilet for 4 hours and it is just about bearable.

Rocksoff
11-23-10, 08:27
The driver will always claim he doesn't have any change, so make sure you have smaller bills.

I have many times ridden with a taxi where the fare ends up at 61 baht or 73 baht or something, when the taxi driver gave me back change rounding it down to 60 or 70 baht. Mostly if I've been chatting with the driver.

Out in Samut Prakan I've asked a taxi to take me somewhere in Bangkok, he didn't know where that is and dropped me down the road at a shopping center taxi rank, and wouldn't accept payment.

Rocksoff
11-23-10, 08:37
so if i am in the mood for some fun in the afternoon, where in bangkok do i go to find girls?

you could go to a oily massage place (e.g. tulip, but there are many, search the forum), or star of light in patpong, or [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)'s.

Hookup09
11-23-10, 10:30
Is it possible to set up a bank account in Thailand if you are a resident of USA?

If so how would you go about doing this?

Opebo
11-23-10, 11:24
'The Thais never do anything irrationally'? They'll be the only bleedin' people in the world who don't then! :)

Yes I definitely overstated that. I just get a bit tired of the common farang line that they do things poorly/irrationally over here. And I'm not directing that at you, just generally.


Why not take a Direct Flight? and Air India??? oh God I would never set foot in that even if I was offered a Free Ticket.

Some people have to consider budgetary constraints, NicFrenchy. Mouse1 may not be one of those, but many of us are.

Mouse1
11-23-10, 12:19
Yes I definitely overstated that. I just get a bit tired of the common farang line that they do things poorly/irrationally over here. And I'm not directing that at you, just generally.Point taken. In fact I was only commenting on my experience, and that may simply have been that coming off an Air India flight I was just naturally ushered in the that direction. But there was a lot of confusion from the airport staff.

Jed Wordsmith
11-23-10, 12:48
great post and useful information, thanks. one additional tip: if you take the expressway as bunky suggests, when you get to the first toll booth (25 baht) the meter should read approximately bt141, give or take a couple of baht. if it's significantly higher than that (remember, at the *first* 25 bt booth, not the second 45bt one!) then the meter is rigged.


it has been awhile since this topic was updated, so i thought i'd post a trip report. hopefully it will be of some use to future visitors arriving at bkk for the first time.

as your flight nears bangkok the airline will provide you with an immigration form to fill out. take your time and complete it neatly and correctly. (don't forget the back side.) government bureaucrats the world over hate sloppy paperwork.

when you get off the plane your first stop will be immigration. follow the signs, taking the moving walkways as needed. hint: try to get off the plane first, and walk fast. if you get to immigration early the lines will be much shorter.

when you approach the immigration checkpoint there is a confusing sign that says "visa on arrival 140 meters" with an arrow pointing in a direction that is away from the immigration checkpoint. at the bottom of this sign it says in small letters "aot." this is a company that offers high-priced car service, along with "special handling" through immigration. don't fall for this scam. follow the overhead signs to the official immigration checkpoint.

discussion of thailand immigration law is beyond the scope of this report. so do your research and make sure you know what will be required for entry. i am a united states citizen, so i qualified for a 30-day "visa on arrival." officially the thai authorities reserve the right to require proof of financial solvency and evidence that you've booked "onward travel." my inspector didn't ask about those things. in fact, he didn't say a word. he stamped my passport with a visa indicating i could stay for 30 days, and he stapled to one of the pages a form i'll hand in when i leave.

after you pass through the immigration checkpoint you'll be in the main baggage claim area. rep001tered among the carousels there are booths to change money. they all offer the same rate. you can get a better rate in town, so don't change too much. make sure to get some hundred baht notes so you can pay the taxi fare.

finding the correct baggage carousel can be tricky. there are monitors showing all the incoming flights, but instead of listing the flights by city of origin they are listed by arrival time. even more confusing, if the flight originated in, say, chicago and connected in tokyo the origin may be listed as chicago instead of tokyo. also, many airline flights these days are "code share," so a single flight may have three different airlines and flight numbers associated with it and the monitor displays all three in rotation. i had to stand there for a good five minutes, forcing my jet-lagged brain to figure it out.

while you wait for your luggage, read the signs explaining the customs rules. most travelers will qualify for the "nothing to declare" line. near the baggage carousels there are free carts. very nice. load up your stuff and make your way to the exit, which is located on the opposite side of the hall from where the immigration inspectors are located. if you have nothing to declare, look for the green signs. the authorities reserve the right to inspect your luggage for contraband, either by hand or via an x-ray machine. i was waived through. i've read elsewhere this is common for western travelers.

once you clear customs follow the signs for "public taxi." you'll pass numerous people who work for car services who will try to sell you an expensive ride into town. unless you're made of money they are generally a bad deal. if you arranged with one of the independent taxi services (mr. t or mr. toom, for example) for a ride to points distant (like pattaya) look for your driver in this crowd.

if you're just going into bangkok via public taxi, you'll have to descend to the lower level. they have these nifty moving ramps that are a cross between an escalator and a moving sidewalk. very handy if you have a heavy baggage cart. at the bottom of the ramps you'll see door number four.

exit through door four and you'll see the taxi dispatcher. you'll also see a sign explaining there is a 50 baht surcharge for airport pickups. once you tell the dispatcher where you are going she'll fill out a form. one part goes to the driver and you keep the other half. all the major hotels are well known, but if you're headed someplace off the beaten path now is the time to ensure that the driver knows where's he's going. my hotel e-mailed me a map with the streets labeled in thai, but the dispatcher and the driver said that was unnecessary.

most of the taxis are toyota corollas with the "limo" package. as far as i can tell, this adds room to the back seat at the cost of a smaller trunk. if you're traveling alone there will be plenty of room for you and your things. (i most definitely do not pack light, and i was fine.) but if you're in a group or you have tons of baggage you should probably tell the dispatcher so she can rustle up a large vehicle.

once you get started the cab driver will ask: "highway?" tell him yes. he'll use the toll road, which is much faster. there are two tolls between the airport and downtown and you have to pay both. at the first toll plaza give the driver a hundred baht note. he'll pay that toll and hold on to the change. at the second toll plaza he'll pay that toll and give you some coins back. if i recall correctly, the tolls were 80 baht in all. so the added cost to save time is well worth it.

i was staying at the grand millennium, which is located near the intersection of sukhumvit and asok. the fare on the meter was 315 baht. with the surcharge it was 365 baht. tipping is not expected, but i gave the driver 400 baht.

so all in the taxi from the airport to downtown bangkok cost 480 baht. at the current exchange rate that's about usd $16. that's definitely a bargain compared to the car services, which charge thousands and thousands of baht. and i'm proof that a first time visitor who doesn't speak a word of thai was easily hire a public taxi.

hope this was helpful.

bunky

Mouse1
11-23-10, 13:55
Worried that I might be mistaken for a back-packer, I had a haircut today in Soi 5.

The youngish lady who cut my hair (and gave me a manicure) had a nice smile and a nice body.

It turned out she lives next to my hotel down darkest Soi 4. It would have been rude not to ask her out for dinner.

I'm meeting her tomorrow evening. Do you think she will bonk on the first night?

Thailand, eh? :)

Mouse1
11-23-10, 14:01
It seems like the entertainment starts in the evening at both Soi Cowboy and Nana Entertainment. So if I am in the mood for some fun in the afternoon, where in Bangkok do I go to find girls?Since nobody has answered your question, I would suggest to visit the massage parlours in the daytime for some fun. See various threads on this board.

If you want a free-lancer, then try the beergarden in Soi 7, and you might be lucky. mainly older ladies but I was there today and there were half a dozen I wouldn't kick out of bed (and one I was very tempted by...).

You can also find freelancers on the Sukh between Soi 3 and Soi 5, and also at nana carpark, but the choice is more limited than the evening.

Mouse1
11-23-10, 14:07
Will girls generally perform OWO and DFK, or do you have to make sure the girl will perform these services before you agree to barfine her?My experience, and others may say differently, is that OWO is quite common, but DFK is not, particularly with the younger girls. I'm talking free-lancers here, btw.

But then no-OWO is a deal-breaker for many guys, and the girls who don't will not get many customers. I like DFK but can respect their decision if they choose not to allow some fat old farang with bad breath to stick his tongue into their mouth.

However, girls who see themselves as service providers eg at massage parlours, are usually quite happy with DFK.

Syzygies
11-23-10, 15:26
My experience, and others may say differently, is that OWO is quite common, but DFK is not, particularly with the younger girls. I'm talking free-lancers here, btw.

Are you guys so bored with BBBJ, that you don't want one any more and have had to go to OWO for a change ;)
just so some of us irregulars had to look it up.

Thais might call this "dat jarit".

Franco Cozzo
11-23-10, 16:30
Ok, I'll say up front that I may have to break up my first three days in BKK into separate posts... and they may be staggered over the next few days. Reasons (/excuses): I am writing this from my iphone in Ho Chi Minh/ Saigon, after catching a very early taxi to the airport this morning (up at 4 - didn't get back to hotel until a couple of hours prior); Im tucked into bed far too early for my personality, as I have a flight tomorrow morning to Hoi An - and both of these thing mean I may start to doze mid way through (kind of like the taxi driver this morning on the way to the airport).

Anyway - I arrived on Saturday, a bit under the weather from overconsumption of gin, and checked into the Nanatai Mansion - a great suggestion from Ozzstraleear, I second this suggestion for anyone looking for inexpensive accom that has great facilities (pool, gym, room service massage girls.... especially the massage girls - but that story comes later).

I decided the thing that would really help me feel better was to check out a few of the gogos in nana plaza - stop for one beer in each, and then try my luck with some freelancer action (this was after several walks up and down Soi 4, a bit too nervous to stop in to any of the beer bars at first - they were very busy).

I made my first stop at rainbow 4, there were more than 5 absolute stunners dancing (young, beautiful or sexy faces, great bodies with no visible imperfections). I was amazed at the general quality of the girls - however, many of them did not seem into being there. There were bored faces, mechanical dancing - which made it a little easier to leave after my drink was gone.

Next on the list was the Gogo next to Spanky's; followed by Spanky's. In both these places, the girls weren't generally as beautiful or hot as rainbow 4(there were a couple of exceptions in both), but seemed to be into it more.

From there I headed to the beergarden... and that report will have to be written tomorrow... as I am having trouble not falling asleep).

Dreams
11-23-10, 17:42
It was a direct flight. Direct from India where my company thinks I am... AI was the only flight departing to BKK that afternoon.

Just don't eat food or go to the toilet for 4 hours and it is just about bearable.
From Mumbai you have also Jet and Thai every day.. Far better than AI!!

Mouse1
11-23-10, 17:48
From Mumbai you have also Jet and Thai every day.. Far better than AI!!Yes, indeed. And from Paris there is Air France, from Sydney there is QANTAS, and from Heathrow there is BA. I however was in Delhi.

Shadow6491
11-24-10, 00:20
Great post and useful information, thanks. One additional tip: if you take the expressway as Bunky suggests, when you get to the first toll booth (25 baht) the meter should read approximately Bt141, give or take a couple of baht. If it's significantly higher than that (remember, at the *first* 25 bt booth, not the second 45bt one!) then the meter is rigged.


Or you can go upstairs to the departure gates. Go outside and get in a cab that has just arrived and either negotiate to go by the meter or 400 baht and the driver pays the tolls. This is what I do regularly.

No 50 baht surcharge.

Bkk247
11-24-10, 01:00
Stayed in Beergarden today.

Met a girl called "Pat" but she insists she doesn't go with a customer on the first day and also not from Beergarden. She always takes the guy from the Disco's afterwards.

She is quite slim, with really small boobs but has a very nice body and a pretty face. She seems to be a Beergarden regular.

Anyone know this girl, tempted to meet her again tomorrow. Worth it? Worth it to stay with her longer?

Member #2041
11-24-10, 02:09
Or you can go upstairs to the departure gates. Go outside and get in a cab that has just arrived and either negotiate to go by the meter or 400 baht and the driver pays the tolls. This is what I do regularly.

No 50 baht surcharge.

Oh gosh, a buck seventy surcharge to take a taxi from the airport. We should boycott Thailand over this.

Drogue
11-24-10, 03:21
Oh gosh, a buck seventy surcharge to take a taxi from the airport. We should boycott Thailand over this.

You are missing the point......many times the taxi queue is quite long and you can literally wait up to an hour + for a taxi......if you go upstairs and jump in a taxi that is dropping off passengers there is no waiting. I have done this many many times myself. Shadow6491 was trying to give some useful information which you had to flame. This forum is for sharing useful information and we should not flame when it is useful.

Syzygies
11-24-10, 13:00
Is it possible to set up a bank account in Thailand if you are a resident of USA?

If so how would you go about doing this?
Been covered many times before. Search in the General Thread.
Try Kasikorn Bank (Thai Farmers Bank). Its easy.

Dreams
11-24-10, 17:13
Yes, indeed. And from Paris there is Air France, from Sydney there is QANTAS, and from Heathrow there is BA. I however was in Delhi.
You got what you deserved.. a few clicks, using Opodo or other similar sites would have shown the long list of airlines ( other than AI) flying direct from Delhi to BKK: Cathay, Jet, Kingfisgher to name a few.. All better than AI.. Not much useful for now, I understand, but maybe next time...

But I am sure you have forgotten all this while you enjoy BKK.

Fast Eddie 48
11-25-10, 00:01
Oh gosh, a buck seventy surcharge to take a taxi from the airport. We should boycott Thailand over this.To Member #2041

If only one person without alot of luggage Take the new Airport train fast only take 35 min to Phaya Thai and connect to Sky train much cheaper than taxi and no surcharge.

Fast Eddie 48

Mouse1
11-25-10, 02:19
You got what you deserved.. a few clicks, using Opodo or other similar sites would have shown the long list of airlines ( other than AI) flying direct from Delhi to BKK: Cathay, Jet, Kingfisgher to name a few.. All better than AI.. Not much useful for now, I understand, but maybe next time...

But I am sure you have forgotten all this while you enjoy BKK.Don't patronize. You have no idea of my travel plans, needs or constraints. For what it is worth I use Kayak extensively to identify the most appropriate flights. My business trip which brought me to Delhi was only confirmed a few days earlier. I then looked on Kayak for the earliest affordable non-stop flight, and the AI flight at £221 return leaving 2h40min later, arriving BKK at 7.30pm was fine. The flight was delayed, otherwise perfectly acceptable.

Anytime you want a job as my personal travel agent don't hesitate to offer.

The Pro
11-25-10, 04:24
If its the Pat I know she has not been working in the Beer Garden for perhaps 18 months. She went up the food chain and exclusivly was picking up guys in discos, like Climax, where some men fanatasise they are not picking up Beer Garden girls. When in fact its correct, its all "ex-BG" girls who now realise how to get more money per man (dress better, go to disco, get more money).

Small, small boobs, pretty, speaks some English. All I can say is if it is the same Pat she is really lovely until you get her into bed and then its just disappointing. She has had far too much cock inside her and has become pretty much "immune" to sexual feeling.

Its not bad, and she loves DATY, but if you compare the performance from Mango girl or a horny non-pro, you would be dissapointed, however, give it a go, nothing to lose and it may not be the same one.


Stayed in Beergarden today.

Met a girl called "Pat" but she insists she doesn't go with a customer on the first day and also not from Beergarden. She always takes the guy from the Disco's afterwards.

She is quite slim, with really small boobs but has a very nice body and a pretty face. She seems to be a Beergarden regular.

Anyone know this girl, tempted to meet her again tomorrow. Worth it? Worth it to stay with her longer?

Starchild2012
11-25-10, 16:33
It has been awhile since this topic was updated, so I thought I'd post a trip report. Hopefully it will be of some use to future visitors arriving at BKK for the first time.



Bunky

Thanks for the informative report.

Bkk247
11-25-10, 19:55
If its the Pat I know she has not been working in the Beer Garden for perhaps 18 months. She went up the food chain and exclusivly was picking up guys in discos, like Climax, where some men fanatasise they are not picking up Beer Garden girls. When in fact its correct, its all "ex-BG" girls who now realise how to get more money per man (dress better, go to disco, get more money).

Small, small boobs, pretty, speaks some English. All I can say is if it is the same Pat she is really lovely until you get her into bed and then its just disappointing. She has had far too much cock inside her and has become pretty much "immune" to sexual feeling.

Its not bad, and she loves DATY, but if you compare the performance from Mango girl or a horny non-pro, you would be dissapointed, however, give it a go, nothing to lose and it may not be the same one.Thanks for the info, as two days passed I tried already. She didn't like DATY. But yes maybe she changed or whatever. Performance was not that great. Seems to have some Boyfriends spread over the world as she was quite busy with her two phones.

Bkk247
11-25-10, 20:30
If its the Pat I know she has not been working in the Beer Garden for perhaps 18 months. She went up the food chain and exclusivly was picking up guys in discos, like Climax, where some men fanatasise they are not picking up Beer Garden girls. When in fact its correct, its all "ex-BG" girls who now realise how to get more money per man (dress better, go to disco, get more money).Sorry forget smth. As I think we mean the same girl for sure, did you try GFE with her too? I mean you stayed with her longer or was the sex so dissapointing for you that you checked her out after 1 night?

May I contact you somehow or do I have to pay the 20 $ for sending an private Message? I think you live in BKK right?

Shivajii
11-25-10, 21:13
Worried that I might be mistaken for a back-packer, I had a haircut today in Soi 5.

The youngish lady who cut my hair (and gave me a manicure) had a nice smile and a nice body.

It turned out she lives next to my hotel down darkest Soi 4. It would have been rude not to ask her out for dinner.

I'm meeting her tomorrow evening. Do you think she will bonk on the first night?

Thailand, eh? :)Well did she?

Tommyh80
11-25-10, 22:24
Thanks for the info, as two days passed I tried already. She didn't like DATY. But yes maybe she changed or whatever. Performance was not that great. Seems to have some Boyfriends spread over the world as she was quite busy with her two phones.I wonder if she is the girl that use to be my girlfriend, but her name was Pa. How old is she? Where in Thailand is she from?

Booey
11-26-10, 00:30
Worried that I might be mistaken for a back-packer, I had a haircut today in Soi 5.

The youngish lady who cut my hair (and gave me a manicure) had a nice smile and a nice body.

It turned out she lives next to my hotel down darkest Soi 4. It would have been rude not to ask her out for dinner.

I'm meeting her tomorrow evening. Do you think she will bonk on the first night?

Thailand, eh? :)

How did the date go?

Kumbu
11-26-10, 03:24
You got what you deserved.. a few clicks, using Opodo or other similar sites would have shown the long list of airlines ( other than AI) flying direct from Delhi to BKK: Cathay, Jet, Kingfisgher to name a few.. All better than AI.. Not much useful for now, I understand, but maybe next time...
From Mumbai you have also Jet and Thai every day.. Far better than AI!!
Jeez, the guy flew Air India - from some of the responses on this thread, you would think this is somehow a crime against all Mongerdom. Does it REALLY matter what airline he flew? He described a confusion that occurred in the airport, and missing the point entirely, some people pounced on him for having the gall to fly an airline that they don't approve of. The man's travel plans are his own business - I'd rather hear where he sticks his little rodent than how he got to BKK.

Kenster
11-26-10, 04:59
So it seems the sun shone a little brighter this month, and given the fact that business and work has been all but lousy, it seems i have frequent flier miles due to expire next month.

What a waste if i let it expire. So i hastily converted it to a free ticket to BKK and back!

So im off to BKK to join you boys in heaven for a few days on Dec 10th - Dec 12th!

Wonder if there is anything new in BKK. Been awhile since i was there and honestly, this trip couldnt have come any sooner.

Thanks!

Dreams
11-26-10, 15:21
Don't patronize. You have no idea of my travel plans, needs or constraints. For what it is worth I use Kayak extensively to identify the most appropriate flights. My business trip which brought me to Delhi was only confirmed a few days earlier. I then looked on Kayak for the earliest affordable non-stop flight, and the AI flight at £221 return leaving 2h40min later, arriving BKK at 7.30pm was fine. The flight was delayed, otherwise perfectly acceptable.

Anytime you want a job as my personal travel agent don't hesitate to offer.
.. my friend. And my apologies if you felt I was patronsiing you, that was not the intention.
I just corrected for the benefit of other the wrong info that there was only AI flying direct from India,to BKK. I actually forgot to add THAi to my list.
I have been travelling in and out of India for the last 40 years, and can only state that AI has considerably deteriorated since a decade or 2, basically since it was nationalised. Rats (not mouse, though, pun intended) running along the aisles, air hostessses fleeing the cockpit screaming of harassment by the pilots, let alone delays etc... With the liberalisation of Indian airspace some 10 years ago, I advise anyone to chose any airline but AI. It's only my opinion...
I am indeed very good at organising travel. and my services are available to you any time, for a few beers wherever we may end up meeting!

Peace!

Jack78
11-26-10, 21:22
Guys

I have been last year in Mai in Bangkok and Pattaya. Considered the quality of the girls better in Bangkok, although also a bit more expensive. I realised that the girls are willing (or even prefer) to give BBBJ. Since I don't think that a BJ is worth the money with a condom I have so far prefered this practice. But did you guys have any problems with STD so far? Is it possible to get over-the-counter medication against them directly in Thailand?

I have a preferece for freelance ladies. Last time I realised that it is fairly difficult to estimate the age of the girls. I've met a non-pro and thought she was maybe even too young, asked her and found out that she was actually 26! It's really difficult to guess! Do you guys ask for Id's or do you leave that to the hotel? Since I've realised that good hotels ask for the id's of the girls and keep them. So I guess they also check the age. Can I rely on that or must I check myself?

I am heading back to Bangkok this December and am planning to pick up some freelancers. Last time I realised that in front of the Nana hotel there are a lot of beautiful ones also in night clubs such as the Bossy Disco and Spicey Disco, any other suggestions?

Mouse1
11-26-10, 22:09
How did the date go?well, it's a long story, but since you asked...

We agreed to meet outside my hotel at 8.30pm, and she turned up the expected 15 minutes late. I had eschewed my customary stained wife-beater vest, baggy shorts and flip-flops for something a little more sophisticated, but even in my silk pyjamas I wasn't a patch on her. She was wearing a rather elegant outfit, which included a rather short skirt worn with tights. Tights? that's the first time I have ever seen those in BKK, and to be honest not a welcome sight. I had forgotten that she wore glasses and she had a certain Palinesque quality, which did stir a few unexpected feelings... She flashed her rather seductive broad smile, and instantly I was enraptured again.

So we took a taxi to a nice little restaurant on soi 11, where we chatted over a pleasant meal. When she ordered a glass of red wine to drink the penny slowly started to drop, and I realised that she was no ordinary salon girl, but actually the owner of the shop and ,as it transpired, a rather astute business woman. So we talked a while about the problems of running businesses in Bangkok (as if I know anything about that), with a lot of gentle touching and caressing, then later headed off for a night-cap hand-in-hand before signing the deal :) . Or so was my intention. Sadly her intention was somewhat different :( , and I began to get the vibe when she talked about having to be back soon to relieve the baby-sitter. So I made my pitch with as much gentlemanly style as I could muster, but she explained that she would rather be friends at this point, although perhaps next time I was in town she might be able to share my bed. I made a couple more playful attempts, but realised I was going nowhere on this evening.

Graciously accepting defeat (play the long game!) I called a cab, and we both went back to Soi 4, stopping briefly to drop me off at my hotel (where she did give me a long deep kiss). So what's that, first base? 3/10? E for effort? I have to say though, a very pleasant evening, and while I would gladly have bedded her, I was pretty relaxed about the whole thing, and look forward to seeing her next visit. It was rather fun to go on a date; but knowing for certain that one way or another I would go to sleep satiated that night took a lot of the stress out of it.

Anyway, the night was still young, and although I had a flight to catch the next day, I was of course in no mood for my usual solitary mug of cocoa. I did think briefly about saying to her that I would go for a stroll around the Sukh to clear my head, but having said that I needed an early night she would know exactly what I was up to..! So I waited for the taxi to turn the corner past my hotel and then briskly strolled down the soi in search of my prey. Who I found within 100 yards... A sweet young thing, who it turned out had been standing there most of the evening. I actually took pity on her from her slightly hard-luck story, but more importantly her neediness made the interview somewhat more straightforward. There was certainly no need to negotiate over the requested fee, and she had a certain docility about her that was rather appealing at that point. So we strolled back to my hotel, where the dreadful deed was done, and to be honest was very much enjoyed by myself. If I was being critical I would say that she was a little on the plump side, but only in Thailand could I possibly get away with saying that. Any other country thy would say she hadn't an ounce of fat on her...

So that was that. The slightly bizarre sequel follows... Regular readers may know I have a long-time friend / gik / gf / whatever ('The Shrimp'). I tell her pretty much everything, and in return she tells me pretty much everything about her exploits (and by the way, if you are that Frenchman, and you know who you are, boy, are you weird. Anyway, I digress). So the next day I phone the Shrimp to tell her about my nocturnal activities, and talk about the salon lady.

'What her name?'

I tell her.

'I know her'.

Yeah, right, sure you do.

'No, she not salon girl, she big boss. She has crazy son. I go her salon many times. We talk together often. sometimes she get crazy drunk.'

Great. A few more points confirms that they know each other well. I've picked two girls out of the vast sea of Thai females who just happen to know each other :( . I suppose it's not so unlikely, but there you go. Not that it really limits anything, as the Shrimp is pretty relaxed, but it wouldn't feel right. Or would it? I might just have to find out next trip... :)

Mouse1
11-26-10, 22:36
.. my friend. And my apologies if you felt I was patronsiing you, that was not the intention.

I am indeed very good at organising travel. and my services are available to you any time, for a few beers wherever we may end up meeting!

Peace!No offence taken. I was just in a grumpy mood having, er, just flown back to Delhi on Air India... :)

The early morning flight was 10 minutes late (how is that possible?). I didn't dare check the toilets. The breakfast I accepted and then did not eat having inspected it. The staff were morose rather than surly. They didn't serve any drinks until the plane was literally coming in to land.

On the positive side, I had the exit row seat with an empty seat next to me. I had my iPad, a few magazines, plenty of leg-room and a perfectly comfy seat.

But, the point is, I would rather endure 4 hours of marginal discomfort and get to BKK early, rather than wait for a better airline a day later. That's it.

One final point: I tend to be a last minute traveller, so checked in one hour 'early'. On leaving the check-in with less than an hour to go, I joined the queue to join the queues for Immigration at Point 3 ie at the far end of the hall. This queue snaked back and forward a couple of times, and I would have spent my entire time in that queue... On the wall are three CCTV screens showing the queue at Point 2. No queue. Go figure. So I wandered back to the middle of the hall and was through Immigration within 15 minutes.

Worth remembering.

Mouse1
11-26-10, 22:44
The man's travel plans are his own business - I'd rather hear where he sticks his little rodent than how he got to BKK.Kumbu, you are a wise and honourable man.

In thanks I have given you the story of 'The Hair Salon Lady'. Shortly I shall provide the story of 'Mango Girls - the Good and the Well, How Can I Put It Tactfully, Perhaps Not Quite So Good But She Did Try Hard'.

Jack78
11-26-10, 23:08
Guys

I have been last year in Mai in Bangkok and Pattaya. Considered the quality of the girls better in Bangkok, although also a bit more expensive. I realised that the girls are willing (or even prefer) to give BBBJ. Since I don't think that a BJ is worth the money with a condom I have so far prefered this practice. But did you guys have any problems with STD so far? Is it possible to get over-the-counter medication against them directly in Thailand?

I have a preferece for freelance ladies. Last time I realised that it is fairly difficult to estimate the age of the girls. I've met a non-pro and thought she was maybe even too young, asked her and found out that she was actually 26! It's really difficult to guess! Do you guys ask for Id's or do you leave that to the hotel? Since I've realised that good hotels ask for the id's of the girls and keep them. So I guess they also check the age. Can I rely on that or must I check myself?

I am heading back to Bangkok this December and am planning to pick up some freelancers. Last time I realised that in front of the Nana hotel there are a lot of beautiful ones also in night clubs such as the Bossy Disco and Spicey Disco, any other suggestions?

Bkk247
11-27-10, 03:25
I wonder if she is the girl that use to be my girlfriend, but her name was Pa. How old is she? Where in Thailand is she from?Hm. No here name is Pat. Sent you a PM.

Mouse1
11-27-10, 04:49
guys

i have been last year in mai in bangkok and pattaya. considered the quality of the girls better in bangkok, although also a bit more expensive. i realised that the girls are willing (or even prefer) to give bbbj. since i don't think that a bj is worth the money with a condom i have so far prefered this practice. but did you guys have any problems with std so far? is it possible to get over-the-counter medication against them directly in thailand?

i have a preferece for freelance ladies. last time i realised that it is fairly difficult to estimate the age of the girls. i've met a non-pro and thought she was maybe even too young, asked her and found out that she was actually 26! it's really difficult to guess! do you guys ask for id's or do you leave that to the hotel? since i've realised that good hotels ask for the id's of the girls and keep them. so i guess they also check the age. can i rely on that or must i check myself?

i am heading back to bangkok this december and am planning to pick up some freelancers. last time i realised that in front of the nana hotel there are a lot of beautiful ones also in night clubs such as the bossy disco and spicey disco, any other suggestions?are you going to keep re-posting this until you get an answer? not a wise strategy... :)

risk of std fom bbbj is fairly low. you can buy apprpriate medications otc in bkk.

hotels will not let **** girls in (although there might be exceptions) so in my experience an **** girl will either have 'lost' her id card or will request a st hotel. the former is a real warning sign.

the whole nana area is swarming with beautiful (and not so beautiful) young (and not so young) girls (and not so much girls). the latter is a warning to you to watch out for ladyboys, of which there are many.

Pita123
11-27-10, 07:54
Anyone been to the new Club Insomnia around Soi 12 behind the V8 Diner?

Chill Out
11-27-10, 18:58
@Jack78: you may want to check the "Safe Sex in Thailand" thread. While BBBJ is low on the risk side, a number of guys says they have gotten diseases through BBBJ. Mostly curable stuff though eg gonorrhea etc (no AIDS).

Red Square
11-28-10, 10:32
well, it's a long story, but since you asked.

We agreed to meet outside my hotel at 8. 30pm, and she turned up the expected 15 minutes late. I had eschewed my customary stained wife-beater vest, baggy shorts and flip-flops for something a little more sophisticated, but even in my silk pyjamas I wasn't a patch on her. She was wearing a rather elegant outfit, which included a rather short skirt worn with tights. Tights? That's the first time I have ever seen those in BKK, and to be honest not a welcome sight. I had forgotten that she wore glasses and she had a certain Palinesque quality, which did stir a few unexpected feelings. She flashed her rather seductive broad smile, and instantly I was enraptured again.

So we took a taxi to a nice little restaurant on soi 11, where we chatted over a pleasant meal. When she ordered a glass of red wine to drink the penny slowly started to drop, and I realised that she was no ordinary salon girl, but actually the owner of the shop and, as it transpired, a rather astute business woman. So we talked a while about the problems of running businesses in Bangkok (as if I know anything about that), with a lot of gentle touching and caressing, then later headed off for a night-cap hand-in-hand before signing the deal. Or so was my intention. Sadly her intention was somewhat different, and I began to get the vibe when she talked about having to be back soon to relieve the baby-sitter. So I made my pitch with as much gentlemanly style as I could muster, but she explained that she would rather be friends at this point, although perhaps next time I was in town she might be able to share my bed. I made a couple more playful attempts, but realised I was going nowhere on this evening.

Graciously accepting defeat (play the long game!) I called a cab, and we both went back to Soi 4, stopping briefly to drop me off at my hotel (where she did give me a long deep kiss). So what's that, first base? 3/10? E for effort? I have to say though, a very pleasant evening, and while I would gladly have bedded her, I was pretty relaxed about the whole thing, and look forward to seeing her next visit. It was rather fun to go on a date; but knowing for certain that one way or another I would go to sleep satiated that night took a lot of the stress out of it.

Anyway, the night was still young, and although I had a flight to catch the next day, I was of course in no mood for my usual solitary mug of cocoa. I did think briefly about saying to her that I would go for a stroll around the Sukh to clear my head, but having said that I needed an early night she would know exactly what I was up to.! So I waited for the taxi to turn the corner past my hotel and then briskly strolled down the soi in search of my prey. Who I found within 100 yards. A sweet young thing, who it turned out had been standing there most of the evening. I actually took pity on her from her slightly hard-luck story, but more importantly her neediness made the interview somewhat more straightforward. There was certainly no need to negotiate over the requested fee, and she had a certain docility about her that was rather appealing at that point. So we strolled back to my hotel, where the dreadful deed was done, and to be honest was very much enjoyed by myself. If I was being critical I would say that she was a little on the plump side, but only in Thailand could I possibly get away with saying that. Any other country thy would say she hadn't an ounce of fat on her.

So that was that. The slightly bizarre sequel follows. Regular readers may know I have a long-time friend / gik / gf / whatever ('The Shrimp'). I tell her pretty much everything, and in return she tells me pretty much everything about her exploits (and by the way, if you are that Frenchman, and you know who you are, boy, are you weird. Anyway, I digress). So the next day I phone the Shrimp to tell her about my nocturnal activities, and talk about the salon lady.

'What her name? '

I tell her.

'I know her'.

Yeah, right, sure you do.

'No, she not salon girl, she big boss. She has crazy son. I go her salon many times. We talk together often. Sometimes she get crazy drunk. '

Great. A few more points confirms that they know each other well. I've picked two girls out of the vast sea of Thai females who just happen to know each other. I suppose it's not so unlikely, but there you go. Not that it really limits anything, as the Shrimp is pretty relaxed, but it wouldn't feel right. Or would it? I might just have to find out next trip.Hahaha! That's a great story. Sounds like a fun girl, when you get her going! Be sure to give her a ring next time!

BKK Dreaming
11-28-10, 12:53
A new open front beer bar opened in the last few days on Soi 4 between Golden bear and the entrance to Nana Disco,

Painted in Black and no sign up yet , but seems to already be pretty busy,

Anyone know the name ?

BK

Mouse1
11-28-10, 14:55
A new open front beer bar opened in the last few days on Soi 4 between Golden bear and the entrance to Nana Disco,

Painted in Black and no sign up yet , but seems to already be pretty busy,

Anyone know the name ?

BKI watched it being completed over the past few days. Good location, so it should last.

I'm intrigued by the huge beer bar in the middle of the big carpark up from Nana hotel (you go past it to get to Annie's, if that makes sense). Since it was finished 9 months ago I have yet to see more than a few people in it. Must be making a horrible loss.

On a similar vein, there is a new Indian restaurant several hundred metres up Soi 4 which must have opened very recently. Walked past it a least twice a day, but never saw a single cstomer there, but the same rather desperate looking waiter outside. How or why the owner thinks it can survive so far from passing trade beats me.

Franco Cozzo
11-29-10, 07:47
After my venture into the Nana gogos earlier in the night I took a wander down to the Beer Garden to check out the freelance action. The bar was unsurprisingly packed, so I chose the best looking girl that was not already deep in conversation (/negotiations) and sat down, introduced myself, and struck up a conversation.

The girl introduced herself as Apple (a fairly common name it seems), she is petite, and has a reasonably attractive face (above average with make up on) - and for my first mongering experience in Thailand that is good enough for me.

I ask Apple if she wants a drink, she says she has just ordered a tea, but she may have a drink when her friend (female) arrives in a little bit. This does not bode well for my plans, as it indicated that she may not have been working - instead just socialising. I decide to keep chatting; as I am enjoying the conversation (her English is perfect). Her friend arrives, we have a beer or two there, then move across the road to the mobile bar that gets set up there. Lots of drinking ensues, with both the girls getting about a third of the rounds of drinks each (I probably shouted a few extra - but was by no means buying them both (or either one) drinks all night). From this point onwards (until the early morning activities) my memory is a little hazy (I like a drink or two, but my brain doesn’t quite as much). I will try to fill in the blanks as best as possible, but some of the events may only be 95% factual, 5% best guess).

The partying moved to Nana Liquid, where the drinking situation changed a little - Apple ordered a round of beers for us three and for a couple (or was it a few) other friends of theirs we met at the club, then told the barperson that I was paying. This pissed me off a bit in my now re-inebriated state, and my emotions must have been very obvious. She asked me what was wrong, I said that I am not an ATM machine, she apologized, kissed me. At some point after this we got back to the Nanatai hotel, where I sobered up a little (mainly the whole receptionist asking for ID thing, it was new to me and a little embarrassing - but only a little embarrassing).

When back in the hotel room, we started making out whilst undressing, moved to the bed and she went down. After this she turned around, so it was 69 with her on top. After a sufficient amount of funtime (BJs generally do not get me off, unless I am super horny - when I'm drunk, there is virtually 0% chance a BJ will finish the act, unless there is serious gagging going on). I grabbed a condom, moved her around and started cowboy, moved to mish... standing... moved to in front of the mirror... I started to realize that I may be too drunk to blow, so tell her that we should sleep, and I'll wake her in a few hours with a naughty surprise. She agrees, especially as she has come a few times (though they seemed fairly fake).

2 or 3 hours later, I wake up, realise I'm sober enough to feel the extremities again, so wake her with the promised surprise - kissing her neck until she is semi awake, whilst gently rubbing her hairless wonder, and enter her from behind, before she is fully awake. She seems very happy with this 'surprise sex' and after about 20 - 25 mins of mutual moaning and groaning I manage to release the built up tension, and start my first proper sex tourism journey. We go back to sleep, me still spooning her).

At about 10 the next morning I wake up, still cuddling Apple. She looks very cute asleep (although not as attractive as when she had makeup done properly), so I kiss her awake, and we go again. This time I position myself so that I have a good, clear view of me entering her, and this sight and seeing her tight tight stomach, playing with her very responsive nipples (and her returning the favour), I am ready to come after 5 or so minutes, but use restraint (i.e. slow down) and wait until she has her (again fake sounding) orgasm 5 or so minutes later.

We both go back to sleep. I wake up around 1 in the arvo, consider going again, but decide not to wake her. After I get up, get ready, read a little of my book, I decide that it really is time to kick her out of my bed. I started to wonder whether this was a freebie (apart from the $50 - $70 spent on drinks), or if she wasn't a FL as no mention had been made of money the previous night or in the morning. I wake her, tell her to have a shower and we can go and get lunch.

After her shower, she comes out, kisses me, sits on the bed and coyly says "I'm sorry, but I need to ask you for some money." OK, so definitely not a freebie then, I ask her how much, she says "any amount you want," I get out THB2000 and hand it to her, she puts it in her bag without counting it, and looks a little embarrassed about asking for money. When we get down to the entrance of the Nanatai, she kisses me, and says “I’ll see you next time in the Beer Garden.” I realise I have got out of shouting lunch (not that I minded too much), say goodbye and head back to my room to start another day that ends with me ending up in a very drunken state and funny/ crazy situation, but does not involve P4P, so is not a story for ISG.

Kumbu
11-29-10, 10:05
An excellent report, Franco, well done sir. I like your semi-inebriated commentary - your description of how you were treated as an ATM seem spot on.
After her shower, she comes out, kisses me, sits on the bed and coyly says "I'm sorry, but I need to ask you for some money." OK, so definitely not a freebie then, I ask her how much, she says "any amount you want," I get out THB2000 and hand it to her, she puts it in her bag without counting it, and looks a little embarrassed about asking for money. This is a fairly common M.O. - girls put on the act of not being in it for the money, and when it comes right down to it, they coyly ask for some cash. No harm done - I think this is the best way to do things. As I read your report, I was afraid you would have cheaped out and tried to get away without paying the girl. While this is tempting, it really is not the wisest course of action, IMHO. Others may disagree, but that's me (and you too, it seems).

Looking forward to your next report.

BionicMan
11-29-10, 11:33
An excellent report, Franco, well done sir. I like your semi-inebriated commentary - your description of how you were treated as an ATM seem spot on. This is a fairly common M.O. - girls put on the act of not being in it for the money, and when it comes right down to it, they coyly ask for some cash. No harm done - I think this is the best way to do things. As I read your report, I was afraid you would have cheaped out and tried to get away without paying the girl. While this is tempting, it really is not the wisest course of action, IMHO. Others may disagree, but that's me (and you too, it seems).

Looking forward to your next report.
I perfectly agree with your thoughts.
Especially as the girl left the amount option open, she was given a fair sum and she accepted it with no mind games or starting to be a pain.
Was it more than what she expected? less? Doesn't matter.
As usual we pay them to go and this worked out exactly that way
Seems Franco got his share of pleasure :)
So... "you happy me happy" could be the title of the story!:)

BKK Dreaming
11-29-10, 13:22
......... say goodbye and head back to my room to start another day that ends with me ending up in a very drunken state and funny/ crazy situation, but does not involve P4P, so is not a story for ISG.

sure if its Funny and around Bangkok write it up
, we would like to hear about it......

BK

Franco Cozzo
11-29-10, 13:41
Thanks for your encouragement fellow ISGers, I was definitely happy not to have to negotiate for my first Thai tryst.

Ok, so my P4P story continues on Monday - Sunday was taken out by a trip to the gym and swim in the pool... that turned into drinking too many beers and a few bottles of gin next to the pool at the Nanatai with 2 expats and another seasoned Thai traveller... that ended with me disappearing from the table and passing out in the pool's bathrooms for the night and cracking my head.... What? I'm on holiday, I'm allowed to do excess excessively OK!!

Anyway – back to Monday: After deciding I was never going to drink again, I made my way back down to the pool to try and turn my pasty white flesh a slightly darker hue, ordered myself some food, and decided to have a relaxed, quiet, no funny business kind of day.

That plan was (THANKFULLY) shattered upon the arrival of fellow ISGer Ozztraleearr (the person who recommended the Nanatai – which again, I can’t recommend enough, great rooms and facilities for budget price). It is from my experience heading out with Ozz that day that I think someone should pitch the idea of the Thai government buddying up more experienced, and newbie mongerers, in order to stimulate the Thai economy.

First point of call: Golden (Ozz – feel free to correct any places I mix up/ get wrong), where we hung out with some of Ozz’s ladyfriends – he is very popular in this bar, and spent a while drinking, talking and joking with the girls. We were drinking mainly soft drinks - the wisdom I gleaned straight away from Ozz is that the drinks you are having with a lady do not necessarily have to be alcoholic – bar tabs are cheaper this way, and you are less likely to do something stupid (like pass out in the toilets of a pool).

After this we went for a wander down to the new bar that opened on Soi 4, on the same side as Nana hotel, a little bit further towards the Tobacco Monopoly from Golden (although I cant remember exactly how far). The bar was having an official opening the next night, there was cardboard on the pool tables and the toilets were only half finished... However, the main bar girl had an amazingly sweet and innocent face (which I like), and seemed to have a gentle personality, so we stuck around for a drink or two. The drinks here were significantly more than at the Golden, and I was feeling fragile still from the excess of the night before, so after asking the girl if she would be around at 9ish, I headed back to my room at the Nanatai to slip in a nap before heading out for the night.

Sleep was escaping me, so I decided I needed some relaxation first, and after being told by Ozz that the room service massage girls don’t only massage, I ordered myself up a whole lot of relaxation in the form of June... and that will be my next report, I will try to fit it in between my (hopefully more successful than last night) mongering in Danang, Vietnam tonight and my journey back towards LOS over the next couple of days.

Luvpuss
11-30-10, 02:04
Thanks for your encouragement fellow ISGers, I was definitely happy not to have to negotiate for my first Thai tryst.

Ok, so my P4P story continues on Monday. Sunday was taken out by a trip to the gym and swim in the pool. That turned into drinking too many beers and a few bottles of gin next to the pool at the Nanatai with 2 expats and another seasoned Thai traveller. That ended with me disappearing from the table and passing out in the pool's bathrooms for the night and cracking my head. What? I'm on holiday, I'm allowed to do excess excessively OK!

Anyway – back to Monday: After deciding I was never going to drink again, I made my way back down to the pool to try and turn my pasty white flesh a slightly darker hue, ordered myself some food, and decided to have a relaxed, quiet, no funny business kind of day.

That plan was (THANKFULLY) shattered upon the arrival of fellow ISGer Ozztraleearr (the person who recommended the Nanatai – which again, I can't recommend enough, great rooms and facilities for budget price). It is from my experience heading out with Ozz that day that I think someone should pitch the idea of the Thai government buddying up more experienced, and newbie mongerers, in order to stimulate the Thai economy.

First point of call: Golden (Ozz – feel free to correct any places I mix up/ get wrong), where we hung out with some of Ozz's ladyfriends – he is very popular in this bar, and spent a while drinking, talking and joking with the girls. We were drinking mainly soft drinks. The wisdom I gleaned straight away from Ozz is that the drinks you are having with a lady do not necessarily have to be alcoholic – bar tabs are cheaper this way, and you are less likely to do something stupid (like pass out in the toilets of a pool).

After this we went for a wander down to the new bar that opened on Soi 4, on the same side as Nana hotel, a little bit further towards the Tobacco Monopoly from Golden (although I can't remember exactly how far). The bar was having an official opening the next night, there was cardboard on the pool tables and the toilets were only half finished. However, the main bar girl had an amazingly sweet and innocent face (which I like), and seemed to have a gentle personality, so we stuck around for a drink or two. The drinks here were significantly more than at the Golden, and I was feeling fragile still from the excess of the night before, so after asking the girl if she would be around at 9ish, I headed back to my room at the Nanatai to slip in a nap before heading out for the night.

Sleep was escaping me, so I decided I needed some relaxation first, and after being told by Ozz that the room service massage girls don't only massage, I ordered myself up a whole lot of relaxation in the form of June. And that will be my next report, I will try to fit it in between my (hopefully more successful than last night) mongering in Danang, Vietnam tonight and my journey back towards LOS over the next couple of days.You will have a lot better time if you don't drink so much.

You fell asleep in a bathroom?

You may wake up with your nuts chopped off if your not careful.

Ozztraleearr
11-30-10, 04:30
Nice postings bro.

When we catch up next will go to Wild Country off Soi 22 - it is an eye opener.

Franco Cozzo
11-30-10, 23:51
You will have a lot better time if you don't drink so much.

You fell asleep in a bathroom?

You may wake up with your nuts chopped off if your not careful.

Luvpuss - not so much fell asleep as became comatose, and I already gleaned the drink less = more fun sometimes from Ozz (as I mentioned).... although I am young, so do plan on a few more crazy drinking nights.

Franco Cozzo
11-30-10, 23:52
Nice postings bro.

When we catch up next will go to Wild Country off Soi 22 - it is an eye opener.

I'm heading back to the Nanatai today. When are you back in town (I know it is around same time as me)?

Pita123
12-01-10, 15:59
Nice postings bro.

When we catch up next will go to Wild Country off Soi 22 - it is an eye opener.
Wild Country?

Mouse1
12-01-10, 16:53
I was wandering around Chatuchak market last week and came across a new-looking club called the Hareem Club. There was a sign outside seeking to recruit 'coyote dancers/models/waitresses' as I recall. The entrance was minaret-shaped which indicated a middle-Eastern theme perhaps? It was over the road to the left of ChCh market as you look at it from the main entrance.

Somebody bored with the usual haunts may want to check it out one day...?

NicFrenchy
12-02-10, 03:56
Wild Country?

You don't know this place??? OMG it is a MUST Try in Thailand.

Basically, you go in and immediately get attacked by its Stench, but being a fighter, you make your way to a sofa/seat and girls Join you. You buy them cheap 60thb whisky and they will do anything you want, in the bar. HJ, BJ, FS...

After a few drinks, the place and its seediness grows on you and you can't help but feel more and more at home... a pair of tits in your face, a mouth on your dick and a sloppy Grin on your face. Think of Wild Country as a bigger version of the Naughty Boy Corner @ Afterskool in Cowboy.

Girls aren't that great looking but let's say an hour in this place with drinks for 2 ladies and tips can be about 1,000 thb. Cheap, cheap.

Ozztraleearr
12-02-10, 04:53
You don't know this place??? OMG it is a MUST Try in Thailand.

Basically, you go in and immediately get attacked by its Stench, but being a fighter, you make your way to a sofa/seat and girls Join you. You buy them cheap 60thb whisky and they will do anything you want, in the bar. HJ, BJ, FS...

After a few drinks, the place and its seediness grows on you and you can't help but feel more and more at home... a pair of tits in your face, a mouth on your dick and a sloppy Grin on your face. Think of Wild Country as a bigger version of the Naughty Boy Corner @ Afterskool in Cowboy.

Girls aren't that great looking but let's say an hour in this place with drinks for 2 ladies and tips can be about 1,000 thb. Cheap, cheap.Yeah that sums up the place fairly nicely!

Both times I have been there the girl who has gotten me off has been one of the younger, cuter ladies, with an old hag helping out from time to time.

Somewhere15
12-02-10, 05:08
quote:
originally posted by bunky
it has been awhile since this topic was updated, so i thought i'd post a trip report. hopefully it will be of some use to future visitors arriving at bkk for the first time.

as your flight nears bangkok the airline will provide you with an immigration form to fill out. take your time and complete it neatly and correctly. (don't forget the back side.) government bureaucrats the world over hate sloppy paperwork.

when you get off the plane your first stop will be immigration. follow the signs, taking the moving walkways as needed. hint: try to get off the plane first, and walk fast. if you get to immigration early the lines will be much shorter.

when you approach the immigration checkpoint there is a confusing sign that says "visa on arrival 140 meters" with an arrow pointing in a direction that is away from the immigration checkpoint. at the bottom of this sign it says in small letters "aot." this is a company that offers high-priced car service, along with "special handling" through immigration. don't fall for this scam. follow the overhead signs to the official immigration checkpoint.

discussion of thailand immigration law is beyond the scope of this report. so do your research and make sure you know what will be required for entry. i am a united states citizen, so i qualified for a 30-day "visa on arrival." officially the thai authorities reserve the right to require proof of financial solvency and evidence that you've booked "onward travel." my inspector didn't ask about those things. in fact, he didn't say a word. he stamped my passport with a visa indicating i could stay for 30 days, and he stapled to one of the pages a form i'll hand in when i leave.

after you pass through the immigration checkpoint you'll be in the main baggage claim area. rep001tered among the carousels there are booths to change money. they all offer the same rate. you can get a better rate in town, so don't change too much. make sure to get some hundred baht notes so you can pay the taxi fare.

finding the correct baggage carousel can be tricky. there are monitors showing all the incoming flights, but instead of listing the flights by city of origin they are listed by arrival time. even more confusing, if the flight originated in, say, chicago and connected in tokyo the origin may be listed as chicago instead of tokyo. also, many airline flights these days are "code share," so a single flight may have three different airlines and flight numbers associated with it and the monitor displays all three in rotation. i had to stand there for a good five minutes, forcing my jet-lagged brain to figure it out.

while you wait for your luggage, read the signs explaining the customs rules. most travelers will qualify for the "nothing to declare" line. near the baggage carousels there are free carts. very nice. load up your stuff and make your way to the exit, which is located on the opposite side of the hall from where the immigration inspectors are located. if you have nothing to declare, look for the green signs. the authorities reserve the right to inspect your luggage for contraband, either by hand or via an x-ray machine. i was waived through. i've read elsewhere this is common for western travelers.

once you clear customs follow the signs for "public taxi." you'll pass numerous people who work for car services who will try to sell you an expensive ride into town. unless you're made of money they are generally a bad deal. if you arranged with one of the independent taxi services (mr. t or mr. toom, for example) for a ride to points distant (like pattaya) look for your driver in this crowd.

if you're just going into bangkok via public taxi, you'll have to descend to the lower level. they have these nifty moving ramps that are a cross between an escalator and a moving sidewalk. very handy if you have a heavy baggage cart. at the bottom of the ramps you'll see door number four.

exit through door four and you'll see the taxi dispatcher. you'll also see a sign explaining there is a 50 baht surcharge for airport pickups. once you tell the dispatcher where you are going she'll fill out a form. one part goes to the driver and you keep the other half. all the major hotels are well known, but if you're headed someplace off the beaten path now is the time to ensure that the driver knows where's he's going. my hotel e-mailed me a map with the streets labeled in thai, but the dispatcher and the driver said that was unnecessary.

most of the taxis are toyota corollas with the "limo" package. as far as i can tell, this adds room to the back seat at the cost of a smaller trunk. if you're traveling alone there will be plenty of room for you and your things. (i most definitely do not pack light, and i was fine.) but if you're in a group or you have tons of baggage you should probably tell the dispatcher so she can rustle up a large vehicle.

once you get started the cab driver will ask: "highway?" tell him yes. he'll use the toll road, which is much faster. there are two tolls between the airport and downtown and you have to pay both. at the first toll plaza give the driver a hundred baht note. he'll pay that toll and hold on to the change. at the second toll plaza he'll pay that toll and give you some coins back. if i recall correctly, the tolls were 80 baht in all. so the added cost to save time is well worth it.

i was staying at the grand millennium, which is located near the intersection of sukhumvit and asok. the fare on the meter was 315 baht. with the surcharge it was 365 baht. tipping is not expected, but i gave the driver 400 baht.

so all in the taxi from the airport to downtown bangkok cost 480 baht. at the current exchange rate that's about usd $16. that's definitely a bargain compared to the car services, which charge thousands and thousands of baht. and i'm proof that a first time visitor who doesn't speak a word of thai was easily hire a public taxi.

hope this was helpful.

bunky


great post and useful information, thanks. one additional tip: if you take the expressway as bunky suggests, when you get to the first toll booth (25 baht) the meter should read approximately bt141, give or take a couple of baht. if it's significantly higher than that (remember, at the *first* 25 bt booth, not the second 45bt one!) then the meter is rigged.


let me share my experience with this.
i stayed many times in soi 19 (one roaad next to the grand millennium who is at soi 21).
if the car driver takes the earlier exit (i believe exit asoke, the opposite way of the grand mercure / shopping mall fortune) you can be on your place within 25 minutes and just for around 250 thb including the first highway tol gate. he has to know this because he has to go earlier from the highway. later if you see the big purple grand mercure building on your right side driving on the highway you are too late and have to take the sukhumvit exit.

i always take a cab from the departure zone (one level up from arrivals). two reasons for that. first you can choose the cab you like (and let the older pass away) and you only pay the starting (standard) fee of 35 thb.

when leaving soi 19 i had many times cab drivers who drove into the direction of the grand mercure/asoke/fortune shopping mall and who take the (lower) parallel way instead of the higher highway.
this route is even faster (off course depending on the time of the day) and cheaper.
some cab drivers told me they take this road because its quicker and cheaper. i remember once that i had to pay just over 200 thb.
as all thais i guess they expect that you give them a nice tip because they serviced you correctly:).

Pita123
12-02-10, 14:04
You don't know this place??? OMG it is a MUST Try in Thailand.
I can think of some other MUSTs that I've had the pleasure of avoiding. :)

BionicMan
12-02-10, 17:34
Some cab drivers told me they take this road because its quicker and cheaper. I remember once that I had to pay just over 200 THB.
As all Thais I guess they expect that you give them a nice tip because they serviced you correctly:).

of course ! and THEY expect to be tipped because they make YOU saving money and they want IT! :)

NicFrenchy
12-02-10, 18:01
Yeah that sums up the place fairly nicely!

Both times I have been there the girl who has gotten me off has been one of the younger, cuter ladies, with an old hag helping out from time to time.

I thought the youngest was the 46 years old Bartender? LOL

Ok, only kidding! at night there are young ones coming to help out/

NicFrenchy
12-02-10, 18:05
Quote from the below article: but he said he has done his best to keep his wife and her family happy.

WTF??? isn't the woman supposed to make sure the man is happy? especially when she does not work and he brings all the dough.

What is the world coming down to?

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/25/world/asia/25iht-thai.html?pagewanted=1&_r=4

Pussyheaven
12-03-10, 03:30
I’ve just been out for two days in Patong nightlife and it was really disappointing. I don’t find any girls worth shagging here. Is the situation different in Bangkok?

Perhaps all the really hot chicks go to other countries where they earn more? Or do the hot ones avoid the P2P scene because the worry about their marriage potential?

Well, I’m not giving up :-), but I’m kind of getting desperate here – does anyone have contacts of a “perfect 11” high-end model (looks are top priority, GFE not so important)? PM me and I’ll be happy to throw some rounds of beer (or better stuff) in return.

NicFrenchy
12-03-10, 07:22
does anyone have contacts of a “perfect 11” high-end model (looks are top priority, GFE not so important)
If looks are a Top Priority, then head back to Bangkok asap.... there is nothing for you in Phuket, seriously.

Try this website, register (FREE) and then browse all their girls... some places like The Lord, La Belle have some stunners.

http://www.thaimassagemodel.com/

Wendella
12-03-10, 08:34
If looks are a Top Priority, then head back to Bangkok asap.... there is nothing for you in Phuket, seriously.

Try this website, register (FREE) and then browse all their girls... some places like The Lord, La Belle have some stunners.

http://www.thaimassagemodel.com/

Hm, after registering, getting a thai-only error message. Nice of them.

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Not sure what it says in Thai, but nothing showed up in my Yahoo mail inbox. I went back and clicked a link on the site to have the activation email resent. Same result, nothing. Bogus website attempting to collect email and phone number data?

Lord Farquard
12-03-10, 10:15
Hm, after registering, getting a thai-only error message. Nice of them.

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Not sure what it says in Thai, but nothing showed up in my Yahoo mail inbox. I went back and clicked a link on the site to have the activation email resent. Same result, nothing. Bogus website attempting to collect email and phone number data?

FYI

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