The SLYONE situation.

[David_33]

Yesterday I received a PM from a forum member that the famous chat site lurker and troller; cat's meow had finally found something other than photos of mediocre girls to post on another forum and, not for the first time, found a way to involve me. The new gossip is the SUPPOSED BANNING OF SLYONE from ISG. Cat's meow and his radically diminished group of cronies are blaming me, saying that I am deleting posts from the Peru thread since I am a moderator and because I am jealous of SlyOnes parties. This has given new life to the boring posts found on the other forum; so all involved should be grateful for finally having something to post other than how an old guy can get laid by younger girls in Lima (surprise surprise). Although maybe it would be best to let the four fools keep imagining david_33 plotting against poor SlyOne's parties, in the interest of the truth I put forward the following:

1. The only messages I have any power over are those on MY thread. Therefore if I had wanted to, I only could have changed or deleted SlyOne party posts on my thread. I have never done so. I can't DO ANYTHING WITH POSTS ON ANY OTHER THREAD ON ISG.

2. I was the person who originally presented SlyOne to the Swinging Groups here in Peru.

3. I also presented SlyOne to a great number of girls. I did this until I realized that after introducing the girls to him, they then disappeared off the face of the map. This was because they had been told not to have any further contact with me. Since SlyOne has far deeper pockets than I do, he could pull this off. Ergo, I stopped introducing girls to SlyOne, but he seems to be doing OK with his right hand girl Veronika searching for new party meat. No problem.

4. I have been asked many, many times in PMs my opinion of SlyOne's parties. My response has always been: "no comment". Personally I have problems with guys here taking financial advantage of ISG forum members. This philosophy caused the famous david_33/Lima Busy wars of the past. I have also been told by many who have attended the parties that they had a lousy time. I suppose that it depends on the guy. I previously went to the parties when he had a large apt. and nicer setup. I had some good times. I have no problem with his parties, except that in my opinion and knowing the financial situation of SlyOne, he should TRULY CHARGE just enough to break even, not make money off of brothers of the forum. But that's just my humble opinion.

5. Jackson told me that he hasn't banned SlyOne. However it should be noted that SlyOne, unlike others who make money from advertising free on ISG (believe me, he DOES MAKE MONEY off the parties), doesn't contribute anything to the forum except for party notifications. He also has a thread on the competing forum. Therefore, I can see why Jackson may have become fed up with this situation.

[Kuttappan]

It's really good to know that you had nothing to with Sly's situation. I hope this will clear out the mess. Thank you David.

[David_33]

Well I never told anyone not to go to his parties, but I can´t support his making money from forum members when he doesn´t need it. However that´s just my two cents and its a free country. Lots of guys like to waste their money at Emmanuel´s also. I learned a long time ago not to try to tell guys how to spend their mongering buck.

I have also noticed that Jackson has given him his own thread, once again showing that the losers on the other site, as usual, had their heads up their asses.

[Giotto]

[QUOTE=David_33]...
Since SlyOne has far deeper pockets than I do ...
...
(believe me, he DOES MAKE MONEY off the parties)
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[/QUOTE]David_33,

Thanks for your explanation.

I ask myself why Sly One needs to make money with the parties, if he has so deep pockets...

Anyway - TIT: This is Thailand :) !



Giotto

[PS: ":)" is a smiley, which is obviously deactivated in this thread. Does nobody smile here?]

[Orangevale Rob]

I think if people want to pay Sly One for the parties he throws, more power to them, and Sly. If they don't have a good time, they are certainly free to come here and post that in these forums, but I haven't seen anyone do that.

[David_33]

As I mentioned, a couple of guys have told me they had a lousy time at the parties. I have found that a lot of forum members don´t want to post anything negative for fear they´ll get jumped on. Since members now know what the parties consist of, a natural filtering process takes place. Guys who don´t get turned on by group sex will find another use for their $100. Guys who like the idea will evaluate the possibility. As I also said, unless they ask my opinion, I stopped telling forum members how I think they should spend their chica bucks long ago.

[Sly One]

If I may be allowed to respond.

Since it is me and my parties that everybody is talking about?

I stopped trying to keep 100% of the people. Happy 100% of the time along time ago. Why because its impossible?

All I can say is. I have had alot of (Maybe 150-200 guys) who over the last 2 years who have attended my parties and alot who are still repeat visitors when they come to Lima.

I ask for constructive feed back at most parties and take appropiate action for the next party to ensure the parties are constantly improving and a success.

I certainly have NOT had anyone complain to me directly or indirectly after a party saying they did not get there moneys worth or did not enjoy themselves. Nor Has anybody expressed to me disppointment with the quality of entertainment or left the party feeling short changed. Quiet the opposite

Nor Do I control what others post on this or other forums. Positive or Negative.

So the unnamed persons who seem to be constantly complaining to David 33 a contributor to this board who has nothing to organisation or the running of the parties nor has he attended one in over a year.

Please complain to me via P. M.

Someone who can attend to your complaint and take apropiate remdial action together with the date you attended?

The facts are.

That 99% of the guys that bother to post on my thread about the parties.

Seem to be positive and appreciative and that is good enough for me.

Even David 33 the complaintents voice/ voices? Here, who last attended one of my parties now over a year ago. And posted on 28/03/08 after his last attendance. Described it as (An excellent party. The perfect orgy.). His words not mine?

Seems that that is NOT to consistant with his more recent posts?

For those who read my thread.

I have also never suggested that Group sex or Orgies are for everybody. Some guys may be embarassed or fear their own sexually or be Gay, who knows?

But for those of you who want a once in alife time experience with multiple attractive girls in a clean and friendly enviroment and can afford to contribute to their share of the party costs are welcome.

Sly

[Orangevale Rob]

[QUOTE=David_33]As I mentioned, a couple of guys have told me they had a lousy time at the parties. I have found that a lot of forum members don´t want to post anything negative for fear they´ll get jumped on. Since members now know what the parties consist of, a natural filtering process takes place. Guys who don´t get turned on by group sex will find another use for their $100. Guys who like the idea will evaluate the possibility. As I also said, unless they ask my opinion, I stopped telling forum members how I think they should spend their chica bucks long ago.[/QUOTE]Except in this case, apparently.

If people are afraid to post their opinions in an anonymous forum, then their opinions aren't worth a lot, to me anyway.

I'm not for or against Sly and these parties, but it seems to me that the feedback I've seen is positive, except for hearsay by you.

[David_33]

All your 7 posts are shit. So go back to Cat´s Meow´s loser forum where you belong. Or get a job and save some money so you can travel farther than Baja California or at least pay Jackson his $19.95. However if you keep kissing SlyOne´s ass, maybe he will contribute to the Subscription Sponsorship Program in your name, although knowing him as I do, I rather doubt it.

Dipshit

[David_33]

1. Read what I posted, although you have trouble with Spanish, I think you can understand English, at times.

2. "a couple of guys" complaining does not equal "constantly".

3. I have repeatedly said that my ONLY problem with the parties is the fact that although you have quite a bit of money and own many apartments in Bs As., you don´t give much to the girls, (although they do have the chance of finding a "live one" like the guy who took one of them to Iquitos for a few days, or who will bring them back to their hotel and give them a more reasonable amount of cash) but you do make a profit from forum members. You should accept this fact and stop saying that your guests only “contribute to their share of the party costs.” If this is true, have them just bring a bottle, or are the guys drinking more than a bottle of booze each?

4. However your philosophy regarding the treatment of ISG members is different from mine and your way of thinking is probably why you have much more money than I do. That said, I prefer my way. You are providing a service which is appreciated by some, and the law of supply and demand works very well. The fact is that for many, $100 is not much to pay for what you provide. And once again, I have always said that I used to go to your parties when they were held in a more logistically appropriate location, and that I had a good time.

5. You also might check and see if your special girl Veronika is sending messages from your hotmail account. This because a copy of a post from your favorite forum where you spend all your time (NOT ISG), was sent to a “significant other” of a girl who I fixed up with an ISG forum member. This post had the real name of the girl I introduced, comments about her services, and YOU, or Veronika put in English at the bottom of the post “introduced by David.” I can´t imagine that you would participate in such a despicable and cowardly act. If you did such a stupid thing after living in Peru as long as you have, you should know that making enemies with Peruvians often has its consequences and generally isn´t worth it. Its their country, not ours.

[Orangevale Rob]

I hope you're not talking to me. I'm not Sly One. I have never met him or been to his parties, but I have to look at these forums and evaluate the validity of each person's opinion.

On the one hand, I have reports from many people that say Sly One's parties are great.

On the other hand, I have your posts, which say some people don't like them. Although these people do not see fit to post such on these forums, for some reason.

Again, I've never been to Sly One's parties, I have no experience with the man, but what I see, on balance, is that on one side is a lot of people praising him, and on the other side I see you trying to tear him down with suggestions that some unnamed parties do not like his services.

I have to say that so far, Sly One is far more credible.

If you have a bad experience with him, post it and do us all a service. But don't post innuendo, rumor and supposition. These are the tools of liars.

[Stu Cazzo]

[QUOTE=Orangevale Rob]If you have a bad experience with him, post it and do us all a service. But don't post innuendo, rumor and supposition. These are the tools of liars.[/QUOTE]Yes this is true. Everyone say good things about Sly One and his parties except David.

Why is this?

[Sly One]

Thanks for you support guys. Whoever you are?

This will be my last post on this thread because I do not want to keep adding fuel to an already raging fire and I am sure nothing productive will come of this. Either me or David 33.

I would appreciate it if you guys will be mature enough and join me in this Boycott.

David 33 seems to have a problem with me at the moment and I accept this? As he has with other forum members in the past?

(This is not the first time nor do I think it will be the last).

David 33 seems to have a problem, about my wealth or lack of it and what I charge people for my parties (where he has not attended in over a year) and now for my apartments in Argentina (Where he has never stayed).

So I don’t think can be consisted an authority on either subject?

I will offer discounts to a few forum members including David 33 and others who I personally know. To stay at my apartments in Argentina and if they choose to do so they can write factual posts here and elsewhere about the apartments parties with some degree of knowledge.

NOT Assumptions and hear say or guess work.

I have and offer to the public well appointed and located apartments in Recoleta /Buenos Aires /Argentina at reasonable prices ($USD 44/ night for a months stay. $USD66/ night for 2 weeks stay) you can visit the website for yourself and see for yourself. www.aaaapartmentsba.com

Up until end March 09 my apartments were 70% occupied all year round. With about 40% customer return rate. .

I guess, ISG members made up less than 2 % of the occupancy.

I also do not advertise them anywhere on this site. As Jackson the owner of this site has competing apartments which he rents to predominately forum members for $USD95/night and $USD75/night. .

As a final comment

I do offer this advice To David 33. .

1. Do not be so worried about my situation? , parties or businesses Worry about your own business. This may help your own business do little better?

2. The IGS forum is about Sex, Girls, Photos. Etc

Do not publish your personal problems about me here they are not welcome and boring. .

Sly

[David_33]

I could have obviously deleted the posts from these two phony "forum members". But I will leave them for those who are CAPABLE OF READING to evaluate. I know where they come from. "birds of a feather....etc. etc."

I encourage authentic forum members to read the posts in this thread and try to find where I have said anything negative about the parties except that SlyOne refuses to admit that they are a money making enterprise.

[Surfer]

David is unique in that he genuinely likes to be helpful and share chicas and has no interest in making money off of other mongers. He has a successful business and does not NEED to make any money off of mongers.

This is unlike most everybody else associated with ISG (I won't mention names), and Jackson himself makes no secret of the fact that he runs the board as a for profit venture. Just like hookers, most are in it for the money which is what makes David (and pros who enjoy the sex and view the money as a mere fringe benefit) so special.

I do not think David was criticizing slyone for profiting from the parties, but was merely pointing out that FACT. Each monger must decide for himself it the experience is worth $100.

[Carolinaman]

Jackson ran this board for many many years before he ever started taking fees for the use of some the services like private messaging. Someone paid for that band width for all those years and it was not the users of this board.
We all need to thank Jackson for all those years.

[Orangevale Rob]

[QUOTE=David_33]I could have obviously deleted the posts from these two phony "forum members". But I will leave them for those who are CAPABLE OF READING to evaluate. I know where they come from. "birds of a feather....etc. etc."

I encourage authentic forum members to read the posts in this thread and try to find where I have said anything negative about the parties except that SlyOne refuses to admit that they are a money making enterprise.[/QUOTE]Why should I care if he makes money on it?

Do you refuse to buy other things because they are "money making enterprises"? Clothes, cars, a house? And these ladies aren't doing it for charity.

Anyway, I've said my thing, it just kind of irks me when people tear other people down with rumours.

But I would like to know what an "authentic forum member" is. Is this like a True Scotsman?

[David_33]

An "authentic forum member" as opposed to a troll, is someone who has posted something worthwhile at least once. Since this doesn't describe your history on ISG and since you have received more attention than you deserve, I will delete any future posts by you here. If Jackson wants to put up with you on other threads, thats up to him. Of course you could always go to the other forum run by a loser 86'd from ISG where you might feel more at home.

[Giotto]

[QUOTE=David_33]An "authentic forum member" as opposed to a troll, is someone who has posted something worthwhile at least once. Since this doesn't describe your history on ISG and since you have received more attention than you deserve, I will delete any future posts by you here. If Jackson wants to put up with you on other threads, thats up to him. Of course you could always go to the other forum run by a loser 86'd from ISG where you might feel more at home.[/QUOTE]David_33,

Wow, I am impressed. We start now to delete reports from forum members, if they don't fit into our definition of a non-troll - I like it, that's good, that distinguishes us as moderators from those of other forums - not!

[QUOTE=David_33]I could have obviously deleted the posts from these two phony "forum members". But I will leave them for those who are CAPABLE OF READING to evaluate. I know where they come from. "birds of a feather....etc. etc."
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[/QUOTE]Thank you! I don't think I am CAPABLE of reading. What I read is that you have considered to delete those reports, for whatever reasons. But why should you? Anything wrong with that reports? And - wouldn't it be censorship?

[QUOTE=David_33]All your 7 posts are shit. So go back to Cat´s Meow´s loser forum where you belong.
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[/QUOTE]Thank you. Very friendly.

[QUOTE=David_33]...
I encourage authentic forum members to read the posts in this thread and try to find where I have said anything negative about the parties except that SlyOne refuses to admit that they are a money making enterprise.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=David_33]As I mentioned, a couple of guys have told me they had a lousy time at the parties. I have found that a lot of forum members don´t want to post anything negative for fear they´ll get jumped on.
... [/QUOTE]Hmmm, I am for sure NOT an authentic forum member. Nevertheless, couple of guys had a lousy time. You wrote that, not the couple of guys. So somehow you wrote something negative about the parties, right?

And then, if replies follow which we (moderators) don't like we delete them.

Good. We have power. We delete. We are the censors!

Hurrah!


Giotto

[David_33]

"capable of reading" referred to reading what I had posted previously. Since Surfer seems to be the only person contributing to this discussion to have actually read what I posted and to have observed that I never said anything bad about the parties, it would seem that most are not capable of reading, or at least not capable of understanding.

Yes, as a moderator I can delete posts from those who I deem are idiots. Up till now this only applies to Orangevale Rob who IMHO has never posted anything of value and is just trying to stir up trouble. Here's a good idea, invite him to post on YOUR forum. But since he hasn't paid his $19.95 as of yet, you can't PM him. So here is the link for him to make things easy:

Orangevale Rob, in the future you would be greatly welcomed to post here: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=754

What happened to you on the Kitty Litter forum is completely different, since you have posted often and are known as someone who contributes information.