InternationalSexGuide - Bangkok Massage Parlors - Proposed Forum Reorganization

Admin

05-07-09, 20:23

Greetings everyone,

I'm still getting emails both pro and against my decision last week to split the Bangkok Massage Parlors into three separate threads, one each for Tulip, Annies, and the other locations.

Some members believe that I shouldn't have split the threads, and others believe that it was a good idea.

Personally, my inclination is to go one step further and create an entirely new Bangkok Massage Parlors forum that would include separate threads for general information and for each of the many MP locations in Bangkok.

However, given the lack of consensus regarding merely splitting the original thread, I thought I'd get some feedback from the members who are active in the Thailand forum, thus prompting me to post this survey.

As always, I look forward to receiving your opinions.

Thanks,

Jackson

Pita123

05-07-09, 21:06

Before voting, I'd like to ask how new threads would be created for each MP that people want to discuss. If I come across a new MP that doesn't yet have its own thread, could I independently create a new thread for it?

If that is the case, I'd vote for the option for a new subforum with threads for each MP.

If this isn't the case, then I vote to remerge the existing threads.

BTW Thanks for opening this up for discussion/voting!

M P Lurker

05-08-09, 02:15

If splitting into multiple threads, there are important principles.

One is not to go retroactive, unless posts moved with considerable care. With the current split into three, a very large proportion of posts are in the wrong thread.

Most places do not get many posts. One thread is enough for Soapy MPs, outside of Annies, which gets more traffic.

For Oilies, Tulip gets a lot of posts, and others do not.

I was reasonably happy with the old set up.

I every MP had its own thread, there would be the problem of setting up new threads, and moving recent posts in the OTHER MPs category into that thread.

Jackson would have to get volunteers with the power to move old posts (pre thread creation) to the new thread, and someone would have to monitor for when new threads were needed.

In my opinion, a post should not be moved to the Annies Massage thread, for example, unless the Title says that the post is about Annies Massage. The appearance of the word "Annies" in the post is insufficient.

I could live with 5 threads, if not retrospective (poster chooses which thread his post goes in):
Annies Massage
Tulip Massage
Bangkok Turkish Baths (Soapies)
Bangkok Oil/Lotion/Thai Massage
Bangkok Spa Massage (non sexual)

I could probably live with a sub-forum having a thread for each MP, but a volunteer would be needed to carefully move posts to correct thread, only if clear that the post is really about a single MP and others mentioned just in passing, e.g. name of a single MP appears in post title is a good start.
How many reports should an MP receive before being moved from OTHER category to a thread of its own?

There will always be posters that go off topic somewhat. We just have to live with that.
Another forum allows posters to create their own thread but this is bad due to duplication of threads and many posts being off topic.

If the forum, was split, I could provide links or references to many past Soapy MP reports in order to move the correct posts to correct threads.

Daddy07

05-08-09, 02:50

A new forum with threads for each MP location might result in hundreds of different threads – unworkable IMHO.

The main problem with the Bangkok Massage Parlor thread, I believe, is all the chit chat posts, which are entertaining and sometimes informative, (i.e. is Yok pregnant?), but probably make up 80% or more of the thread content, and thus make it difficult to find useful substantive information about the various MP options available to mongers.

Perhaps a workable solution would be to separate the wheat from the chaff as was done in the Photo Gallery thread.

Posts reporting on specific visits to, or experiences at a massage parlor or providing specific information about a massage parlor, (e.g. prices, tips, rules, hours, location, number of girls, etc.), might continue to go into the “Bangkok Massage Parlor” thread.

Posts merely commenting on the substantive reports, asking or answering questions about them, offering jokes, or simply making cheeky chit chat, might properly go into a “Bangkok Massage Parlor Chit Chat” thread.

This solution would require only one additional thread.

NicFrenchy

05-08-09, 02:53

This is an interesting Thread, thanks Jackson for giving us the opportunity to express ourselves.

All things considered, I think the old setup worked much better than this one.

I don't see why Annies and Tulip should have their own thread, it's not fair to the other places. Anyhow, I would go back to the old setup and too bad if some don't like it.

Tulip has been mentionned a lot lately but as far as I am concerned, it's a massage parlor, was talked about in the massage parlor thread so there should be no argument.

Anyhow, I don't think it's a good ides to split at all, except if it is to separate Soapies and Oilies as the experience is different.

No matter what is decided, it will be impossible to please everyone.

Good luck with your decision.

Rocksoff

05-08-09, 02:59

[QUOTE=Daddy07]Posts reporting on specific visits to, or experiences at a massage parlor or providing specific information about a massage parlor, (e.g. prices, tips, rules, hours, location, number of girls, etc.), might continue to go into the “Bangkok Massage Parlor” thread.

Posts merely commenting on the substantive reports, asking or answering questions about them, offering jokes, or simply making cheeky chit chat, might properly go into a “Bangkok Massage Parlor Chit Chat” thread.

This solution would require only one additional thread.[/QUOTE]

I second this proposal.

Traveller China

05-08-09, 03:19

I support the move to create a subforum for Bangkok MPs. It will make searching and reporting, and net least choosing! , a lot easier IMHO. While the old "one forum fits all" was good for its time, methinks it is time to make the leap and differentiate things a bit.

An added benefit will be that reserachers can use the number of postings for each MP as a proxy for how well visited an MP is.

Run Mann

05-08-09, 03:46

I support the idea of creating a new forum with threads for each MP location because it highlights MPs that people otherwise may not have known even existed. The more knowledge the board has of other MPs the better an informative and effective tool the board will be. One of the problems with the (old) regular MP thread is that some members became so emotionally involved with some of these girls that they started attacking other members who dared to post a report they did not agree with, ergo the jabbering began. Look at how many posts Jackson had to delete when the new MPs threads were created. Creating a new forum for each MP won't entirely solve that problem but it identifies other viable MPs without having to read through pages of garbage. As someone who has read enough about enough of Yok, Dao and Tulip it will be refreshing to read about some of the many other MP in Bangkok.

Whatever the final decision is, and there are pros and cons for each, I hope Jackson enforces his no spam policy by prohibiting members who disagree with the decision from coming back and repeatedly spamming the board with repeated posts supporting their positions. This should be about the most effective way members can share and the board can provide information to the general membership and not about personal likes and dislikes of members.

Cunning Stunt

05-08-09, 03:53

I would concur with Jackson's suggestion of making a new forum devoted to Thai MP's. In fact I would go further and have another new forum entitled Thailand - Dead Threads, or similar. There are 63 threads on the Thai board and many of them are long since defunct, with no contributions in recent memory. As these threads may still be of use to some members for research purposes or whatever, why not stick them all together under a separate heading. Would tidy things up somewhat.

Just my tuppence!

NicFrenchy

05-08-09, 04:22

[QUOTE=Run Mann]Creating a new forum for each MP won't entirely solve that problem but it identifies other viable MPs without having to read through pages of garbage. As someone who has read enough about enough of Yok, Dao and Tulip it will be refreshing to read about some of the many other MP in Bangkok. [/QUOTE]

Yes I fully agree. I am a member of another Forum which has a Thread for Every MP. It proves to be very successful if one is searching for a special place or to discover new places.

They also have a Tulip Thread and I very rarely open it because it's always the same reviews about the same girls... It gets old and tiring, but this is a price to pay if you want many people to contribute in an online community.

I think also that creating a MP chit chat thread is pointless

Run Mann

05-08-09, 04:26

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Yes I fully agree. I am a member of another Forum which has a Thread for Every MP. It proves to be very successful if one is searching for a special place or to discover new places.

They also have a Tulip Thread and I very rarely open it because it's always the same reviews about the same girls... It gets old and tiring, but this is a price to pay if you want many people to contribute in an online community.

I think also that creating a MP chit chat thread is pointless[/QUOTE]

The MP Chit Chat would work in a perfect world but as we have seen, it does not work in the Photo Gallery so I don't think it would work in the MP thread either.

Airplane

05-08-09, 04:47

[QUOTE=Run Mann]I support the idea of creating a new forum with threads for each MP location because it highlights MPs that people otherwise may not have known even existed. The more knowledge the board has of other MPs the better an informative and effective tool the board will be.[/QUOTE]I agree.

An example of this can be seen at www.argentinaprivate.com

NicFrenchy

05-08-09, 05:38

Actually, I have a logistics question...

The actual trend in voting points towards having a thread for each MP but I am not sure everyone can create threads? is that going to change?

Daddy07

05-08-09, 06:06

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Actually, I have a logistics question...

The actual trend in voting points towards having a thread for each MP but I am not sure everyone can create threads? is that going to change?[/QUOTE]
Pita123 has asked the very same question.

Obviously, if members can't create new threads, then any new MP's will have to be introduced by the Administrator.

You will also have a forum with many dozens of threads, most of which will have 2 or 3 posts and then go dormant. Tulip and Annies will still get the most posts by far and the chit chat will clog those threads just as it does now.

Oh, well ... I still can't wait to find out if Yok is pregnant. :D

Great Guy

05-08-09, 06:30

Thanks, Jackson, for trying to come up with a workable solution!

And thanks to other members for a number of thoughtful comments and suggestions.

I favor the solution proposed by Daddy07 (seconded by Rocksoff) to "separate the wheat from the chaff" by splitting the Bangkok Massage Parlors thread into two threads:

(1) The original thread, but limited to reports of actual experiences at specific Massage Parlors with current factual information ("trip reports")

(2) A second thread for discussion, general comments, etc.

I'm interested about reports on all Massage Parlors, but would find it inconvenient to access many different threads to collect the information.

Boinky Boinky

05-08-09, 08:49

Maybe I'm being simplistic but here's what I'd like to see.

A MP sub-forum with separate threads for each MP. Each thread is about the service, pros and cons and most importantly the women in each MP.

There's then a long-azz masterthread for comparative posts of the virtues of one MP versus another plus an overview of the MP scene.

It should work fine as long as members remember that field reports, criticisms and question specific to a single MP go in that MP's thread and overviews and field reports featuring more than one MP (therefore comparative) go into the master thread.

I respectfully beg to differ to those who say it was fine the way it was. A single thread with thousands of posts to plough through to get the info you want is unwieldy and time-consuming.

Teasing out the MPs into separate threads (a) makes it easier to find the info on girls in particular and (b) the general tone of the thread as it develops soon makes it apparent whether this is a good MP or not.

Just my two bobsworth.

NicFrenchy

05-08-09, 09:54

[QUOTE=Great Guy]
I'm interested about reports on all Massage Parlors, but would find it inconvenient to access many different threads to collect the information.[/QUOTE]

It actually works very well this way. A big adjustment for ISG, sure but in the long run I believe Members will be thankful.

Can you imagine a Tulip Thread? getting reviews everyday but if you don't care for Tulip, you don't have to open the Thread...
You only open the threads of the places you like.

Chit Chat is an essential part of a forum (online Community) so I would not rule it out completely. I believe that Threads going a little off topic are ok sometimes and still much better than changing threads constantly because the nature of what you write could be viewed as chit chat.

Just my opinion

Giotto

05-08-09, 10:29

[QUOTE=Soap Fan]...

I could live with 5 threads, if not retrospective (poster chooses which thread his post goes in):
Annies Massage
Tulip Massage
Bangkok Turkish Baths (Soapies)
Bangkok Oil/Lotion/Thai Massage
Bangkok Spa Massage (non sexual)
...
[/QUOTE]I think this is in general a good idea. I would additionally add a thread for Angel Massage and Eden Club.

A Chit-Chat thread would make sense, too.

- Bangkok Soapy Massage (Turkish Baths)
- Bangkok Oily Massage (Oil/Lotion/Thai)
- Bangkok Spa Massage (non sexual)
- Bangkok Massage Parlour Chit-Chat
- Annies Massage
- Angel Massage
- Eden Club
- Tulip Massage

Chit chat will come up from time to time in all threads, but major discussions could then be moved to the Chit Chat thread.

Then - if a new place gets special attention and many reports we could add a thread for that specific place. That should not happen too many times.

Giotto

Ralph Kramden

05-08-09, 13:53

I just voted for a return to the original set up.

I was not one of the complainers to the Administrator before he made the change, but I noticed especially in recent weeks the Massage Parlor Section was being dominated by a lot of personal discussion that was not really relevant to reporting. This made me lose interest in it.

Therefore, I would suggest a new thread entitled:

SoapFan & NicFrenchy On Massage Parlors

Member #3200

05-08-09, 16:41

I voted for Original set-up

Too many threads to looks thru

It would be nice if jackson deleted all the old threads from past years that haven't been used since 2007

Do we really need BKK reports of 2005 or 2006?

LittleBigMan

05-09-09, 05:15

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ, Whatever you guys want I'll go along with. Today I'm easy!

LBM

Ghatotkach

05-09-09, 05:31

[QUOTE=Giotto]I think this is in general a good idea. I would additionally add a thread for Angel Massage and Eden Club.

A Chit-Chat thread would make sense, too.

- Bangkok Soapy Massage (Turkish Baths)
- Bangkok Oily Massage (Oil/Lotion/Thai)
- Bangkok Spa Massage (non sexual)
- Bangkok Massage Parlour Chit-Chat
- Annies Massage
- Angel Massage
- Eden Club
- Tulip Massage

Chit chat will come up from time to time in all threads, but major discussions could then be moved to the Chit Chat thread.

Then - if a new place gets special attention and many reports we could add a thread for that specific place. That should not happen too many times.

Giotto[/QUOTE]I agree with Giotto. Such a reorganization would make it better. I would suggest that this be done with effect from the current date. There is no need to go back in time and rearraneg the threads. The old threads simply become part of the archives for people to search through.

M P Lurker

05-09-09, 08:19

[QUOTE=Member #3200]
It would be nice if jackson deleted all the old threads from past years that haven't been used since 2007

Do we really need BKK reports of 2005 or 2006?[/QUOTE]
Nice in what way?
I sure it doesn't cause you any problems.
If history doesn't interest you, simply ignore it.

M P Lurker

05-09-09, 08:37

[QUOTE=Ghatotkach]I agree with Giotto. Such a reorganization would make it better. I would suggest that this be done with effect from the current date. There is no need to go back in time and rearraneg the threads. The old threads simply become part of the archives for people to search through.[/QUOTE]
There is need (IMHO) to undo the mess created by the three threads split with a high percentage of posts in the wrong thread.
Whatever decision that is reached, undoing that step is the most important of all!

I could even maybe donate time to determining post numbers currently misplaced in the Tulip and Annies threads, that do not relate to these MPs.

ThaiLearner

05-09-09, 14:02

[QUOTE=Member #3200]I voted for Original set-up

Too many threads to looks thru

It would be nice if jackson deleted all the old threads from past years that haven't been used since 2007

Do we really need BKK reports of 2005 or 2006?[/QUOTE]

Sounds good to me

Also delete 2007 and the old 2005,6,7 threads things change so much and quickly in Thailand

M P Lurker

05-09-09, 16:09

[QUOTE=ThaiLearner]Sounds good to me

Also delete 2007 and the old 2005,6,7 threads things change so much and quickly in Thailand[/QUOTE]
If that's the best you can do, why bother?
Just pretend that these threads have been deleted already.
Problem solved. ;)

Satrai2000

05-09-09, 16:45

Although 1. I know that most threads deal with Tulips and 2. I am not interested in Tulips, I still think that the three threads should me merged.

Regards,

SatRai, Msc.

M P Lurker

05-17-09, 11:19

I would love to see everyone put a lot more into postive posts, and keep the negative ones to their own experiences where they had a bad time.

I think we have seen too much negative stuff by guys just speculating on places, girls, and topics that are not well known to them. I may have been guilty myself at times. But am trying to improve and stick more to providing good unbiased information.

We should strive to keep this forum to be far and away the best standard, as I do see a hell of a lot of crap and drivel on others forums where a huge percentage of posts have little to do with the thread title.
A lot of meaningless banter.
O.K. There has to be room for jokes too, if they are really funny. But useful content should be paramount.
Thats why I think a smaller number of threads is better.
It becomes very hard to search when posts may be in the wrong thread.

Joe Nailer

05-19-09, 17:55

I am too late for voting, but I would have voted for " None of the above"
Based on "The simpler the better" concept, why not have 2 simple threads by the types of contents rather than the location/place, like:

"BKK MP for self-claimed experts" in which self-claimed experts who have already posted more than e.g 2000 posts can discuss life and like to chat. And another,

"BKK MP for newbies" in which self-claimed experts are discouraged not to sneer newbies/newbie questions and is dedicated to useful information and poster's experiences.

How's that?

Bionicman

05-19-09, 22:35

S**** missed the poll!

But still maybe I can add my fuel for the thoughts.

A) agreeing on having a thread for the specific types of MP's if these do not crossover in the same MP

B) the chit-chat thread is a nice idea, but nobody actually observes it. Look at what happens in many photo threads. It is natural to comment on the same thred and not go on another to leave a note about something "somewhere else" more difficult to track.

C) what happened on the Bangkok initial (only) MP was just a bit too much of (positive and not attacking) flaming. May we say a few participants got a bit pulled over their own contributions? And maybe soon that will die naturally?

D) a thread for each (major) MP will still generate tens of threads and how to handle a report that contains 3-4 experiences resumed in one message?

IMHO