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Jymondor
06-08-13, 10:53
Poor line up on Friday? There were (more than) 20 girls, with top ones like Diana, Andrea, Jacky, Veronica, Elena, Denisa, Sabrina, etc. Maybe they were downstairs in the "garden" while you were sitting on the terrace.)

Hope they will make a whirlpool on the roof terrace soon!Lineup was improved at about 8:00-8:30 PM. Actually Panthetra's layout makes difficult to see all the girls in Summer time. There are few separate places where girls hanging: upper terrace, yard (cannot call it garden) , main room, gambling machines corner, and that strange room with the beds in the middle.

Syzygies
06-08-13, 15:37
Guys, if you don't like thee clubs partucularly or AO in general please do not post in this thread.Further to that, it should be clear that any people with objections to AO, should not even be wasting their time reading this thread. I only looked in here out of curiosity as I did not know what it was about. Little reason for me to come back, as I monger in usually Frankfurt in more conventional FKKs.

Free Dude
06-08-13, 16:09
Further to that, it should be clear that any people with objections to AO, should not even be wasting their time reading this thread. I only looked in here out of curiosity as I did not know what it was about. Little reason for me to come back, as I monger in usually Frankfurt in more conventional FKKs.A very good stance on forum usage, and I don't want to 'argue' any point.

I just thought it might be funny to point out that these kind of clubs (RTC's) have been around a lot longer than the 'conventional FKK's' and are much more like the 'original' Bernds, than any of the grand 'quality' clubs. Interesting how norms and conventions get formed;).

Bootie26
06-08-13, 18:12
http://www.joyclub.de/my/fotoalbum/1994883.club_angelique.html

I'm honestly scared but tempted by AO, but if it has to happen let it be there, at least the first time (if ever). Next month I'll be around, I think I'll go there for sure, and then I'll see if adding 30 euros or not.

I'm following this debate that's been going on for a while now, taking this thread among the busiest ones. Since I'm a beginner to german mongering, I give my newbie opinion, which can humbly be taken into account since part of the debate is to warn beginners or "virgins" of Germany about quality, prices, performances, etc.

As Maxime pointed out, everybody can choose and make up their minds by themselves. We're all old enough to be able to make our choices, everybody must be free to choose what they prefer, and take responsibility for that. Personally I'm against AO, but if some girls provide it and some men want it, it's their business, not other people's business. As I said, I'm very tempted, but if I go for it and come out with a problem, I'll have to blame only myself, nobody forced me to do it, it would be stupid to complain over those who do AO and post about, it's true I'd probably never find out about openly advertised AO without reading ISG, but again I chose freely.

On the other hand, it's true that the quality of girls, without mentioning the facilities, in Artemis and of those in Caligula or treff188 can't be compared, not even by minding only their toes, and now I'm talking of places where I have been personally. I've seen the pics of some girls of AO clubs and I admit the evidence, it's true they are not at all the same quality of those of big FKKs, but I find incorrect to say that they are so ugly that only by doing AO they can work, because also in other FKKs you can find low quality girls (I've been in Haus-Panthera) , not only in AO and flatrates clubs.

About classifying threads and clubs, I think that AO should have a whole thread apart, the other one being "normal", non AO, then there could be the various divisions: FKK, brothel, flatrate, etc, so one can choose the main topic catching his interest at once and then go down the various structures of treff, GB, FKK, etc.

Also, even if, again, I agree AO is a dangerous practice and shouldn't be advertised too much (as Dreams said these clubs may get overcrowded, therefore increasing the chances of possible infections) , AO is quite hidden in the forum, an outer reader wouldn't find out without digging german threads, I don't know if it's done intentionally. I'm not good at all at using computer, but I don't even visualize partytreff section, nor by entry main page nor by "forum".

Being a Whormany beginner and a computer illiterate I fully fit the description of the subject and qualify to express my opinions.

Greetings to all debatersGreat choice. Was my first time AO choice in Germany as well and had Alina. Enjoyed it so much that I ended up coming back to her every day for my whole 4 day trip to Viersen. Wasn't my first AO experience with a provider but it was first time where it is openly advertised or offered even. Had plenty of AO experience with providers however, was mostly after I become a regular or we end up having some kind of "connection".

EastGoing
06-08-13, 19:09
Great choice. Wasn't my first AO experience with a provider but it was first time where it is openly advertised or offered even.Bootie, thanks for the "encouragement", but. Guys, forgive my ignorance, where is written in their site about AO? I took it for granted reading about that on here, but I couldn't find by myself (remember I'm computer impaired)

Free Dude
06-08-13, 19:12
Bootie, thanks for the "encouragement", but. Guys, forgive my ignorance, where is written in their site about AO? I took it for granted reading about that on here, but I couldn't find by myself (remember I'm computer impaired)I don't think it's on the website, but once you get there Alina (or whoever else is taking your entrance fee) will explain the pricing structure to you, including the AO surcharge.

Dreams
06-08-13, 21:56
. before I depart this thread forever.You should never have come here in the first place! You won't be missed!

Enjoy what you like, where you like and let other do the same!

Dreams
06-08-13, 22:00
[QUOTE=Kommodore; 1430785]I have been to many many many many clubs including some of those referred to in this thread. QUOTE]

Can you be more precise, like telling us which specific club, and when you visited? Your statement seems little convincing!

Most posters on this thread seem to have had a good time, recently, in Arabella, Villa Venus, Grimberg and Angelique. It's one thing to say you don't like them, another to"warn " people about the "Horrors" of those places.

Why don't you do like wollfie, that is leave this thread forever?

Breadman
06-09-13, 06:07
If your going to talk about AO clubs, how about merging all the NRW AO clubs into one section? Doubt Jackson will act on a few people. This would keep all AO talk to one area, making it easier for AO seekers to keep updated and for those not interested in AO talk to avoid the conversation. Or if Jackson agree's to create another forum under this title we could move these clubs over to that area? I know not all of the clubs are true AO clubs but if its readily available and or advertised as possible then it should be included. I know some clubs have their own section already but this would allow AO talk to be done in one place, under one section.

AO clubs: Angelique, Arabella, Bernds, Dietzenbach, DolceVita Rausbach, Grimberg, LaLuna, VillaVenus.

Would this be acceptable to everyone involved in this debate? Am I missing any clubs? I tried to shorten the names to keep the title condensed.

Jymondor
06-09-13, 07:25
Am I missing any clubs?Alina (Dorsten). Pure AO club.

AO happens in Cleopatra Arena (Gelsenkirshen) , Emmerich.

I am not sure about Bernds. Can be listed here?

Dreams
06-09-13, 09:35
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I am not sure about Bernds. Can be listed here?For some reasons better known by himself, Breadman tries to promote Bernds as an AO club.

AO clubs are those openly advertising AO. Bernds is not such a club, and, as much as I agree that AO is offered in non AO clubs, if Bernds is included in such a list so should Oase, and all the other big FKKS all over Germany.

Breadman
06-09-13, 12:37
Alina (Dorsten). Pure AO club.

AO happens in Cleopatra Arena (Gelsenkirshen) , Emmerich.

I am not sure about Bernds. Can be listed here?Dorsten is now a pure AO club? Bernds is like Cleopatra Arena, it happens there but sometimes you've got to have a regular visitor in your group to have it offered to you. You'll get billed double at the door by the girl. If your going solo, visit twice in one week and things should open up for you. But the third time is the charm. Its like Dietzenbach, you really don't know until you go to the room to keep it out of the open. Even if the girl doesn't speak much english, I've found that by rubbing your bare dick on her pussy when your ready for sex the reaction will be reach for the condom or slightly cover the pussy and then say '50 extra'. Amazing how they practive that phrase.

What defines an AO club? I'd say the 33% rule. If at least one in three of the girls working at the club offer it, then guys here want to know about the practice. I've gotten it at Oase and World before but the odds are 1 in 100 if not more. Bernds has maybe 14 girls working at any given time, odds are in your favor of finding an AO provider here. Yes, they do pull out the condom but some of those condoms have years of dust on them if you get my drift.

Happy Fkk
06-09-13, 16:40
It will end or not?

As you all don't report, so don't go in clubs, please masburbate yourself at home and stop posting bullshit on the forum.

The worst is that this kind of shit happens also in 'big' club's thread where a newbie cannot write his bad experience without nearly the same guys write 50 useless posts to say it cannot happened.

My thinking is that some accounts should be closed. They behave like pimps. My 0 cent.

Breadman
06-09-13, 17:37
The worst is that this kind of shit happens also in 'big' club's thread where a newbie cannot write his bad experience without nearly the same guys write 50 useless posts to say it cannot happened.Bad experience? So your against ao in the clubs I take it?

Dreams
06-10-13, 09:38
. I've gotten it at Oase and World before but the odds are 1 in 100 if not more. .Really, one in 100! You tested more than 100 girls and only one would accept AO if you request? Come on, be a bit honest and serious!

I agree that 1 in 3 is a good possibility, in ANY big FKK, Bernds as much (or less) than any other.

We are all very curious to know what Bernd's management has done to you so that you keep at them so persistently.

Anecdotal, anyway, Bernd's business remains brisk, but just curious.

YummyPL
06-10-13, 15:06
http://www.joyclub.de/my/fotoalbum/1994883.club_angelique.html

Also, even if, again, I agree AO is a dangerous practice and shouldn't be advertised too much (as Dreams said these clubs may get overcrowded, therefore increasing the chances of possible infections) , AO is quite hidden in the forum, an outer reader wouldn't find out without digging german threads, I don't know if it's done intentionally. I'm not good at all at using computer, but I don't even visualize partytreff section, nor by entry main page nor by "forum".

Being a Whormany beginner and a computer illiterate I fully fit the description of the subject and qualify to express my opinions.

Greetings to all debatersEastGoing,

Greetings to my Moscow forum friend. Nice post and I agree.

FYI, I have been to Angilique twice last summer. I reported on one of my visits here. I did AO and enjoyed it immensely. The girls there are as good or better than the girls at many smaller FKKs. Also, they provide excellent GFE service. Better than most FKKs.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1100-Other-FKK-Clubs&p=1307391#post1307391

But AO is not only in the AO clubs for sure. I have seen at least 60 different FKK girls over the last 16 months, probably more, and I have done AO with at least 20 of them. Almost every girl that has been an exceptional kisser has also been willing to do AO with some gentle persuasion. I rarely go to the big Frankfurt clubs as the service is lacking IMHO. Go to the right clubs and find the right girls.

Sakura in Stuttgart and Heaven in Nuremburg have been good for me for regular FKKs.

YummyPL
06-10-13, 15:25
It should be borne in mind that some of the girls at Angelique (including Deea and Arianna) moved there from Club la Luna, the club famous for it's 'any guy can just simply walk in off the street and participate in a 4-girl bareback sperm donor gangbang session'. So hardly classy.It seems to me that the only think different is AO. I have participated in 4-girl gang bangs at "classy" upscale FKKS and I walked in off the street? What makes any FKK classy? Pfffff.

SwingerLover
06-10-13, 19:27
Dorsten is now a pure AO club?No. PT Dorsten and FKK Alina are two seperate places. (And I've been to neither.) But you can see the different adresses on their websites:

http://www.fkk-alina.com/index.php/A.Impressum.html

http://www.partytreff-dorsten.de/

AO is available at FKK-Alina "if the girl offers it". They seem to be self-employed entrepreneurs there, like the girls are at LaLuna Moers.

PT Dorsten is still a rubber-club. Even if Sexy-Susi is there, she does only Condom-Gangbangs.

Jymondor
06-10-13, 21:31
No. PT Dorsten and FKK Alina are two seperate places.I wrote about Alina. I did not even know that PT Dorsten exists.

Smili
06-10-13, 21:50
Thats right swingerl. Dorsten was by the way the worst place I've ever been to, even though Laureen pink was there, being fucked by 30-40 guys from the middle east, I didn't bother. Alina was quite ok, with one good provider and one oh my god provider! Both young and looking quite good, nearly fkk standard. Service of the oh my god, was above. The rest of the girls didn't seem that interesting, unfortunately. Nice meeting you at krefeld Sunday, by the way! Scandinavian dude here.

Yakob
06-11-13, 00:33
Really, one in 100! You tested more than 100 girls and only one would accept AO if you request?

I agree that 1 in 3 is a good possibility, in ANY big FKK, Bernds as much (or less) than any other.It seems that others get all advantage in fucking girls with no condom and for no extra money.

It seems unfair that some get AO all the time in the FKK and some do not even get a sniff at AO service being offered. This cannot be write. It seems we have extremes of 1 in 3 girls getting AO offered and some like Breadman get 1 in 100 and then are some doing this for many years and getting zero take up on AO service. What is the correct position?

Jymondor
06-11-13, 14:53
Guys, there are too many discussions around definition "AO Club". Technically AO can be available in ANY club. But only some clubs provide AO service "legally". So sometimes is hard to define whether AO that cub or not.

I propose a scale that will help to rate any club by AO availability. This scale does not related to club type and can be applied to any club type (FKK, Sauna-Club, PT, Brothel, etc.

Please correct if any example is not right.

Class 1 (or A). AO openly advertised. AO is mandatory for all WG in the club. Customer can get AO from any girls. Example: Villa Venus, Angelique

Class 2 (or B). AO openly advertised. AO is available from some girls. Example: Arabella, Cleopatra Arena, Alina, Grimberg, LaLuna, Dietzenbach.

Class 3 (or C). AO not advertised but openly available from all or some girls in the club. Example: DV Raurbach.

Class 4 (or D). AO not advertised. AO not openly available, but some girls could provide it. Girls have no troubles if AO info leaks. Example: Bernds.

Class 5 (or E). AO strictly forbidden. Girl would be in a trouble if AO info leaks. But of course it is available from some girls for some men, because it is impossible to control. Examples: Oase, GT, World, Acapulco, etc.

I believe that proposed scale covers all cases of AO availability at any club.

This scale if for AO availability ONLY. It does not explain whether AO is extra or included into base price.

Free Dude
06-11-13, 15:40
I don't think the issue is important enough to have a specific classification.

Some things are also difficult to determine: as far as I know there is no club where girls are forced to do AO (in villa venus, Andrea doesn't for instance). So I think 1 and 2 are essentially the same. Three can be put under the same umbrella, as DVR is well known to offer AO and is even under the Tabulos header in Freiercafe.

The difference between 4 and 5 is flimsy. For instance, there are a bunch of girls in LR and GT that are known (by most regulars) to be doing AO. Which includes postings on the big messageboards. And still work there. No way the club is in the dark (unless they choose to).

The better distinction. If one is inclined to make one. Is between clubs where AO is fairly openly accepted (Alina, Arabella, Grimberg, Villa Venus, Dietzenbach, Laluna, Cleopatra, M Exclusiv, DV Raubach, Angelique, many more smaller clubs). And the clubs where it is publicly considered 'not done', but still happens regularly (everywhere else).

What percentages is concerned, I'd say 1 in 3 seems a bit much; but 1 in 100 is a joke: even without asking for it you'd probably beat that (from experience).

Jymondor
06-11-13, 18:15
I don't think the issue is important enough to have a specific classification.To be honest nothing is really important in this forum. Few men just having fun sharing sinful experience.


as far as I know there is no club where girls are forced to do AO (in villa venus, Andrea doesn't for instance). So I think 1 and 2 are essentially the same.I am not sure what Andrea do you mean. Last Saturday I had AO + AVO session with Andrea who recently moved here from Arabella. Tall fake blond Romanian. But anyway I was under impression that all girls in V-Venus perform AO. I am pretty positive that all girls at Angelique do AO.


For instance, there are a bunch of girls in LR and GT that are known (by most regulars) to be doing AO. Which includes postings on the big messageboards. And still work there. No way the club is in the dark (unless they choose to).I would say that management is pretending that they do not know about AO as long as girl adds some Euros to their Schublade. At any case scenario I would appreciate leads to these girls into my PM.


The better distinction. If one is inclined to make one. Is between clubs where AO is fairly openly accepted (Alina, Arabella, Grimberg, Villa Venus, Dietzenbach, Laluna, Cleopatra, M Exclusiv, DV Raubach, Angelique, many more smaller clubs). And the clubs where it is publicly considered 'not done', but still happens regularly (everywhere else).Well, this is closer to the reality, but more gradations will makes information exchange easier.


Three can be put under the same umbrella, as DVR is well known to offer AO and is even under the Tabulos header in Freiercafe.De facto you are right. But de jure DVR does not advertise AO on their website while other mentioned clubs do. AO at DVR is more available than say in Arabella that advertises AO, but by some reason they do not announce. Friercafe is not under their control.

Indi Companion
06-11-13, 18:54
It seems that others get all advantage in fucking girls with no condom and for no extra money.

It seems unfair that some get AO all the time in the FKK and some do not even get a sniff at AO service being offered. This cannot be write. It seems we have extremes of 1 in 3 girls getting AO offered and some like Breadman get 1 in 100 and then are some doing this for many years and getting zero take up on AO service. What is the correct position?My Dear Brother, the answer is easy. If you go with the ugly dogs or unpopular girls you can most likely get this service also in the big clubs, if you go with the good looking one and most requested girls who are not in a desperate need for clients, you will get it 1 in 100 as it happens to Breadman who evidentely has a good taste!

Moreover, I know of people who say they get it for nothing but then the girls come to me pointing them out and saying they had been offered 500€ for AO. So, whenever you listen to these stories, always put in the equation the factor called: frustated men!

Otherwise, why people should go and do the "very attractive girls" populating clubs like DVR or Grimberg instead simply getting AO for free at the big clubs since it is so easy to get it?

My two cents, from someone who has been around more than enough, including being a regular at Bernds and many of the most spoken German clubs and who happened, in many years, to get real AO from regulars for free (not certainly 1 out of 3, ridiculous except for the real AO clubs!) and being offered AO often from dogs (always refused, I preserve my dignity!).

Sportsman
06-11-13, 23:51
Some things are also difficult to determine: as far as I know there is no club where girls are forced to do AO (in villa venus, Andrea doesn't for instance).
I am not sure what Andrea do you mean. Last Saturday I had AO + AVO session with Andrea who recently moved here from Arabella. Tall fake blond Romanian.I met a girl named Andrea in Villa Venus last month who told me she does not do AO. She told me she used to work at Goldentime, tall fake blonde from Romania, pretty face, always sits on the couch by the towel rack upfront, speaks decent English.

Free Dude
06-12-13, 07:02
I met a girl named Andrea in Villa Venus last month who told me she does not do AO. She told me she used to work at Goldentime, tall fake blonde from Romania, pretty face, always sits on the couch by the towel rack upfront, speaks decent English.That's the one I'm talking about, often chatting with Flori (Florentina) and this Andrea also has a set card that says 'no AO'. If the Andrea from Arabella has transferred, that's a different matter: she does 'everything' if I remember correctly. Two different girls.

SwingerLover
06-12-13, 14:27
This scale if for AO availability ONLY.It's way too complicated and propably to much work to keep it updated. And unnecessary too. If you take a look at my AO-map, then you'll see that all #1-5 clubs of your list are on there with a pink marker already. (Except FKK Arabella, which I left off for a reason.) Since #6 basically happens at all the other clubs occasionally (as I've been told) they don't need to be listed seperately. So what more classification does one need?

Varenne
06-12-13, 14:55
Would be nice to have some reports from the experience, prices, girls, service in any of those clubs.

Would be a welcome change from the crap that has recently pollluted this threadI Agree.

Villa Venus is back to the old prices:

1x 60€

2x 90€

3x 110€

No entry fee, and prices as usual include any available service. You need to decide and pay upfront for all the sessions.

Yakob
06-12-13, 22:39
My Dear Brother, the answer is easy. If you go with the ugly dogs or unpopular girls you can most likely get this service also in the big clubs, if you go with the good looking one and most requested girls who are not in a desperate need for clients, you will get it 1 in 100 as it happens to Breadman who evidentely has a good taste!

Moreover, I know of people who say they get it for nothing but then the girls come to me pointing them out and saying they had been offered 500€ for AO. So, whenever you listen to these stories, always put in the equation the factor called: frustated men!

Otherwise, why people should go and do the "very attractive girls" populating clubs like DVR or Grimberg instead simply getting AO for free at the big clubs since it is so easy to get it?

My two cents, from someone who has been around more than enough, including being a regular at Bernds and many of the most spoken German clubs and who happened, in many years, to get real AO from regulars for free (not certainly 1 out of 3, ridiculous except for the real AO clubs!) and being offered AO often from dogs (always refused, I preserve my dignity!).Brother Indi Companion,

Thank you for taking the time to write your words. This is most welcome.

I always wondered about how certain mans got AO service all the times and some mans never get AO service ever after many years of visiting the clubs. This must be in the selection of the womenfolk.

It is correct that Bernds has always been known as a club that offers AO, they no need to advertise it since it is known. Maybe even DV Raubach not advertise it openly too but it is possible to find the AO there. Simply if not advertising it does not of itself make the club not an AO club.

You go to these clubs and if you ask for it and most times you will get it. Nothing special or new.

In the maybe mainstream FKKs that are written about there I agree that the girls that make the good money do not need to offer something special like AO to make the extra money. Now I fully expect some professional professor of FKKs to say that he gets the best looking hooker in the club to fuck him no condom but you expect them to say that. Just saying.

I knows mans that in 5 years has only ever been offered AO 5 times, so this maybe falls into the 1 in 100 bucket of the Breadman. Then there is the mans that goes always with the ugly girls and the girl fuck him for free and with no protection. He go to the small club and he can foster the relationship with the new inexperienced girl that fall for him. Then there is the professional Frankfurt mans that in all these years ever get AO only several times.

So with these empirical evidences I try to reconcile to the 1 in 3 statistic to the 1 in 100 statistic. Since I seriously do feel that some of us must be missing out in also enjoying these feelings. So it is the selection.

Maybe we keep to what we knows and I quote what I say before about feeling to not need to track down the people with the STD and hound them to the ends to the earth, and it is this: the concept that of letting live those to live their lives. Live and let Live.

That is all.

Njoy.

Free Dude
06-12-13, 22:58
So much comedy here; in my humble experiences, the girls that offered AO were in many cases some of the more popular girls. Those very few times that I actually let it happen, were pretty much all with girls that prove difficult to get to. In all honesty, I can only recall one girl that offered it, while being short of work (ie I was her first of the day).

I have no idea why none of the girls ever bring it up with you guys, but the story gets a bit weird.

Jymondor
06-13-13, 10:10
So much comedy here; in my humble experiences, the girls that offered AO were in many cases some of the more popular girls. Those very few times that I actually let it happen, were pretty much all with girls that prove difficult to get to. In all honesty, I can only recall one girl that offered it, while being short of work (ie I was her first of the day).

I have no idea why none of the girls ever bring it up with you guys, but the story gets a bit weird.You are talking about AO in non-AO clubs. Correct? I confirm that I got AO offers from the girls that are far way from be called ugly. Some of them are really popular (maybe by this reason? Who knows). Surcharge for AO in these clubs usually high."Usually" does not mean "always".

I was offered AO from 300 EURO extra (Declined) to 100 EURO for 1/2 hr AO session (usually accepted). I accept AO if this no more than 150 EURO per 1/2 hr in total. Once I accepted 250 EUROs and now don't understand why. This is about cases when girls proposed AO.

But more often I can get AO asking girls for that. I ask for AO only girls I previously sessioned more than one time and tipped well. Success is in about 20% of cases, but I newer ask for AO girls I newer sessioned before. Price is about in the same range between 50 and 250 EURO on top of base price. Does 20% shocking you?

Sure neither names of the girls nor clubs will be disclosed other than PM.

Dreams
06-13-13, 13:03
Brother Indi Companion,

Thank you for taking the time to write your words. This is most welcome.

I always wondered about how certain mans got AO service all the times and some mans never get AO service ever after many years of visiting the clubs. This must be in the selection of the womenfolk.

It is correct that Bernds has always been known as a club that offers AO, they no need to advertise it since it is known. Maybe even DV Raubach not advertise it openly too but it is possible to find the AO there. Simply if not advertising it does not of itself make the club not an AO club.

You go to these clubs and if you ask for it and most times you will get it. Nothing special or new.

In the maybe mainstream FKKs that are written about there I agree that the girls that make the good money do not need to offer something special like AO to make the extra money. Now I fully expect some professional professor of FKKs to say that he gets the best looking hooker in the club to fuck him no condom but you expect them to say that. Just saying.

I knows mans that in 5 years has only ever been offered AO 5 times, so this maybe falls into the 1 in 100 bucket of the Breadman. Then there is the mans that goes always with the ugly girls and the girl fuck him for free and with no protection. He go to the small club and he can foster the relationship with the new inexperienced girl that fall for him. Then there is the professional Frankfurt mans that in all these years ever get AO only several times.

So with these empirical evidences I try to reconcile to the 1 in 3 statistic to the 1 in 100 statistic. Since I seriously do feel that some of us must be missing out in also enjoying these feelings. So it is the selection.

Maybe we keep to what we knows and I quote what I say before about feeling to not need to track down the people with the STD and hound them to the ends to the earth, and it is this: the concept that of letting live those to live their lives. Live and let Live.

That is all.

Njoy.I am sure that one can get AO in so called non-Ao clubs for an extra fee. Wheterh it is 1 in 3 or 1 in 100 is for me irrelevant sicee

Personally, I don't ask for AO in such clubs, and have not been offered it very often. In any case I decline, since I don't see the point to pay quite a lot of extra money for a service that I get for free in VV or assimilated clubs.

Super Flanker
06-14-13, 03:08
I am shocked. I must have done something wrong as I am zero in 100+ sessions at World.

Never asked AO but never got offered either.

# of girls I had session (s) with may be around 25+ for the past 3 years but I had only one session with 50%+ of them.

I. E. I usually have rooms with my regulars and I didn't bother to find new girls especially for the past 1 year.

But still, I am shocked.

Maxime
06-14-13, 09:48
In many of the non-AO clubs it is even offered without any extra costs. Even if you don't look / ask for it, you will notice this every now and then (for me, few times a year). Regardless of the sur-price (from 0 to 300 euro) , it seems to be offered more and more. I visit (ed) many (tens) of clubs, many many times, but only in Oase it was never offered to me (otherwise we could call it AOse.)

Jymondor
06-14-13, 10:19
In many of the non-AO clubs it is even offered without any extra costs. Even if you don't look / ask for it, you will notice this every now and then (for me, few times a year). Regardless of the sur-price (from 0 to 300 euro) , it seems to be offered more and more. I visit (ed) many (tens) of clubs, many many times, but only in Oase it was never offered to me (otherwise we could call it AOse.)That true. I notice that AO offering in non-AO clubs happening more often each next trip. At my experience surcharge applies in 100% cases. But I can believe that some girls will do it for free by two reasons: better chance that the customer returns and less frictions. Without condom most of men cum quicker.

Silikon
06-14-13, 10:30
I think that many of those who don't get AO, or don't believe that AO is possible in non-AO FKKs, are those who simply. Don't ASK for AO.

I have never been interested in AO sex before. Never. So never asked, and was never offered. And so, never got it. Doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

Now I'm looking for it, last time I was in a FKK I didn't ask for it, but next time I'll go, I am sure that if I don't ask for it, I won't be offered it, and if I ask for it, I will have quite chances to get it.

And I think that most of those who got AO, got it most of the time because they ASKED for it (the client to the girl) rather than because they were OFFERED it (by the girl to the client).

This is my point of view, can AO mongers confirm?

SwingerLover
06-14-13, 13:25
No beating around the Bush (pun intended) here, couldn't have said it better myself.No beating around the Bush, this Methuzela-guy you had quoted here seems to have actually been kicked off the forum, as I had suggested! At least the links to his "Original Posts" from the quotes don't lead anywhere anymore, so I guess all his inflammatory posts have been deleted and his membership along with them.


Can't imagine any doctor giving you the ok to fuck prostitutes without a condom.Not sure if docs would give ok to fuck pros, but they are definitely not opposed to uncovered sex. First: Sexy-Susi's husband is a doctor and does the HIV-tests at her AO-Gangbangs, but does otherwise not have any problem with his wife being AO-hordefucked. Second: Dark Vader's latest encounter with a medical doctor, which he wrote about here:


When the guy finished he moved away and left us to go at and it was such a thrill when my cock slowly entered into her and I must admit that there really is nothing quite as pleasurable as entering virgin (from my perspective) territory unsheathed.

-

By now I was spent and had cum deeply inside her and so I gave way and allowed the other guy to fuck her whilst I stroked her tits and continued to kiss her.

-

Back down in the lounge we again got chatting and the talk turned to what we did for jobs. The MILF went off to get a coffee and her partner revealed that she was actually a medical doctor!

Jymondor
06-14-13, 17:25
Villa Venus is back to the old prices:
1x 60€
2x 90€
3x 110€
No entry fee, and prices as usual include any available service. You need to decide and pay upfront for all the sessions.
Today (Friday around noon) two options only:
1x 60€
2x 90€
Each next session 40€.

I already sessioned here with four Ex-Arabella girls: Bianca (3x), Lily, Karena (2x), Andrea. Karena and Bianka look nice, Andrea provides AVO, Lily newer repeat. Bianca - excellent service with CIM - good for last session. I don't see any reason to visit Arabella after they lost their best girls. All four Ex-Arabella girls said that they like V-Venus more, especially how management treats them. It hard to get more details due to their limited language skills.

Non-attractive V-Venus girls (like Ella and others) look very upset. They sit bored getting no customers. Lineup is better than ever. So 'advisory' about old, ugly, chubby girls in V-Venus is nothing more than somebodies fantasy. Service is good as well. The only drawback is time between session. I have my tablet with movies and book reader. Today I watched 'The Bourne Legacy' and last two episodes of Season 3 of 'Game of Thrones'. Girls are nice but they cannot maintain conversation. So sex is virtually everything you can from them. This is enough for me, but if you are looking for entertaining this is not your place.

I left around 6 PM because cannot eat anymore they sausages and sliced cake.

Natalia disappears. Nobody could explain where she is. Really nice girl. Does anybody know?

Maxime
06-15-13, 20:23
I think that many of those who don't get AO, or don't believe that AO is possible in non-AO FKKs, are those who simply. Don't ASK for AO.

I have never been interested in AO sex before. Never. So never asked, and was never offered. And so, never got it. Doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

Now I'm looking for it, last time I was in a FKK I didn't ask for it, but next time I'll go, I am sure that if I don't ask for it, I won't be offered it, and if I ask for it, I will have quite chances to get it.

And I think that most of those who got AO, got it most of the time because they ASKED for it (the client to the girl) rather than because they were OFFERED it (by the girl to the client).

This is my point of view, can AO mongers confirm?I never ask (ed) for it, and still it is offered few times a year in the non-AO clubs (so offered by the girl to me, not by saying it, but by trying to do it! And then look surprised if I ask for a condom.)

YummyPL
06-15-13, 20:40
What percentages is concerned, I'd say 1 in 3 seems a bit much; but 1 in 100 is a joke: even without asking for it you'd probably beat that (from experience).I have never openly asked for AO ever in a normal FKK. I have played to get a sense for it with kissing and rubbing my dick against a girls pussy. If she does not complain, I see how far I can go. I have never paid extra forr it at a normal club but I have tipped afterward and it is usually with a "regular."

Free Dude
06-18-13, 19:00
Seems like the old Belami has reopened under the same business model as the rest of the chain; now to be called FKK Verena: 9. 99 entry and 29. 99 for half an hour all inclusive: http://www.fkk-verena.com/

Myrrh
06-18-13, 21:39
Seems like the old Belami has reopened under the same business model as the rest of the chain; now to be called FKK Verena: 9. 99 entry and 29. 99 for half an hour all inclusive:

http://www.fkk-verena.com/Yes, pleeease.

Den Haag
06-19-13, 03:43
Do these girls actually work in FKK Verena or are they models used for advertising on the website?

Woofiee
06-19-13, 07:03
Yes, pleeease.Beware, the first two women are clip art and have TinEye results:

1)

http://www.tineye.com/search/11fc9cccf5c6c20b39ee10e515adcc3f8aa8a764/

2)

http://www.tineye.com/search/2d5f3ca5caaf69958f5d46014c2550ff7f63555a/

Maxime
06-19-13, 20:08
Beware, the first two women are clip art and have TinEye results:

1)

http://www.tineye.com/search/11fc9cccf5c6c20b39ee10e515adcc3f8aa8a764/

2)

http://www.tineye.com/search/2d5f3ca5caaf69958f5d46014c2550ff7f63555a/Good find, in fact they are not presented as " Our Girls" or so, but deceiving it is.

GoldenTiger
06-26-13, 15:15
I just had my first NRW AO Clubs visit in FKK Alina. And the experience was way less than my expectations, and let me clarify that I have never visited an FKK before so when I say it was bad I am not comparing it to high class FKK clubs, I mean its bad even comparing to the cheap partytreffs that I am used to visit, my problem was mainly with the attitude, service which is the point that I was having a high expectations about because from reading the forums I thought that the girls in these clubs are are really willing to please because there is a competition in those clubs to attract customers etc, was it maybe just a bad day? Or is it that Fkk Arabella / Venus / Grimberg better than Alina? , I don't know but here is the full experience :

It took me just few minutes walking to find the club from Dorsten train station, I paid 60 Euro that includes one season and then 30 for every other season, I noticed 3 good looking girls, first was young girl from Bulgaria, second blonde girl from Romania, third tall girl from Romania.

So I sit next to the young girl from Bulgaria, she was rude, she kept talking loudly and noisy with other girls without talking to me and removed my hand from her shoulder and said "room"? . I said no and I was leaving the couch, then another customer told me calmly with a smile as if he was explaining the rules : when you sit next to a girl you should take her to a room. (Duh of course I didn't sit next to her to discuss politic) , I told him also calmly with a smile that no way I am taking a girl with such an attitude to a room. What a shitty beginning.

Anyway, next : I went to the other big room and sat next to the blonde girl from Romania, a few cold hugs and kisses and then "room"? , ok. Very mechanical season, then I decided to take a rest and I watched this scene : a guy in his late 50s wanted to kiss this blonde girl from Romania, she rejected and when he left the room she moved her hand in a way to tell the other that he smelled bad, while the girls are laughing.

After watching this scene I also left the room a bit disgusted so while I was leaving I saw a girl which I would rate as 6 not more but from her smile it was obvious that she is a sweet woman (I needed that after seeing the other girls attitude) , I sit next to her and yeah she is very sweet, she said she is from Turkey and 31 year old, nice season but as I said her look is not more than 6.

Neeext : the tall girl from Romania, alright I guess. She tried to acting horny which lead to her moving way too much, actually she reminded me of of some cute pets that never stood still when you try to pet them LOL. But it was alright season I mean at least she was willing to please.

Now normally I would take a long rest and then have my fourth season, but I had to go to the airport soon so I went for my fourth season without long rest, my penis didn't do well and I would say its a bad season because the girl didn't do her best to help in this situation. And BTW her name is Sara and she says and insists that she is from Germany!

Then I left the club, total damage 150 Euro. For 150 Euro I could had much more fun in other places. Its understandable that for AO sex it might be good place, but for me since I prefer it with condom so as I said there are more places to have more fun with this 150 Euro.

Happy mongering everybody!

Dim Yann
06-30-13, 13:02
Go to Grimberg or Arabella, they are just 15min apart. If you don't like the line-up or the hardware. Just move on. It's 60€ entree including one 30min session. Grimberg is thhe bigger club.

HBIn which place-city must you stay, in order to visit these 2 clubs? I mean the closest major city.

Thanks.

Vito Corleone
07-01-13, 07:46
In which place-city must you stay, in order to visit these 2 clubs? I mean the closest major city.

Thanks.Arabella is located in Bochum & Grimberg in Gelsenkirchen. Major cities, Duisburg & Dortmund.

Optimist
07-02-13, 09:14
In which place-city must you stay, in order to visit these 2 clubs? I mean the closest major city.

There are hotels in Gelsenkirchen and Bochum. The Arena hotel is about 38euro for a basic single (shared bathroom) including a decent breakfast and is excellent value (next to a McDonalds if you like that sort of thing).

If you are travelling by car from Dortmund/Duisburg/Dusseldorf then it's a good idea to check what's on at the Stadium (usually a Schalke home match)and then time your travel to avoid the huge jams on the autobahn exits)

Nestor X
07-02-13, 09:32
In which place-city must you stay, in order to visit these 2 clubs? I mean the closest major city.

Thanks.I visited Villa Venus, Acapulco and Golden Time for a few days in January this year. Lived very cheap at the Etap Hotel in Essen and rented a small car and brought my own gps navigation device with me. From Essen it is easy to get anywhere in Nordrhein-Westfalen. Many autobahn roads so you can travel fast.

Dreams
07-03-13, 09:51
In which place-city must you stay, in order to visit these 2 clubs? I mean the closest major city.

Thanks.I stayed at the IBIS in Duisburg, less than 50 euros, breakfast, parking and wifi included. Less than 30 min form all those clubs.

Ortos
07-03-13, 19:56
I satyed at the IBIS in Duisburg, less than 50 euros, breakfast, parking and wifi included. Less than 30 min form all those clubs.I stayed in Ibis Budget (ex-ETAP) Krefeld for 38euros, A / C rooms and even better than Duisburg location for the clubs. Breakfast / parking NOT included, but I park for free on a street nearby. Location: right next door to Krefeld Hbf.

Dreams
07-04-13, 10:14
I stayed in Ibis Budget (ex-ETAP) Krefeld for 38euros, A / C rooms and even better than Duisburg location for the clubs. Breakfast / parking NOT included, but I park for free on a street nearby. Location: right next door to Krefeld Hbf.I may be wrong, but for Villa venus, Grimberg, Alina, is Duisburg not closer than Krefeld?

Ortos
07-04-13, 16:44
I may be wrong, but for Villa venus, Grimberg, Alina, is Duisburg not closer than Krefeld?No, if your club universe is VV and Grimberg, Alina then Duisburg is closer. I was speaking more generally about Krefeld being a better location for the group of Duesseldorf / Koln clubs as a whole.

I seem to have forgotten that we are on a thread dealing with specific clubs. So sorry!

Jymondor
07-04-13, 17:15
No, if your club universe is VV and Grimberg, Alina then Duisburg is closer.But avoid ETAP (Ibis Budget) in Dusiburg. Crowdy and noisy area. Shortage of parking spots. Top of all some store renovation on go in the same building. Contraction noise starts at 8:00 AM

Dim Yann
07-04-13, 21:24
I will be landing at Dusseldorf airport, so after I should go to Duisburg, find a hotel there and after go to any of these 3-4 clubs?

Or I can stay at Dusseldorf as well and go from there to these clubs?

Dreams
07-05-13, 09:32
But avoid ETAP (Ibis Budget) in Dusiburg. Crowdy and noisy area. Shortage of parking spots. Top of all some store renovation on go in the same building. Contraction noise starts at 8:00 AMThat's the one I stayed in. No problem at thet time to park, even when coming back late in the night. And no noise. Did not find the area crowde or noisy at all. Obviously no construction work when I was there.

I liked it, nice staff, breakfast, pkg, wifi included, for 49 E. And very close to all those clubs in this thread (20-30 min max).

Jymondor
07-06-13, 03:04
That's the one I stayed in. No problem at thet time to park, even when coming back late in the night. And no noise. Did not find the area crowde or noisy at all. Obviously no construction work when I was there.

I liked it, nice staff, breakfast, pkg, wifi included, for 49 E. And very close to all those clubs in this thread (20-30 min max).Maybe construction made my stay terrible. Constructors equipment occupied almost half of parking spots. I agree that staff is nice. W-Fi is free in any Ibis Budget. Sometimes Motel One and B&B provide almost the same prices as Ibis Budget, but don't be fooled. You still have to pay for wi-fi there.

In that area I prefer ETAP Dusseldorf North (or it is called now Ibis Budget Dusseldorf Airport). Nice and quiet area. Driving is about the same. Maybe 5 mit longer, but this is not essential.

Trans Atlantic
07-06-13, 03:23
Maybe construction made my stay terrible. Constructors equipment occupied almost half of parking spots. I agree that staff is nice. W-Fi is free in any Ibis Budget. Sometimes Motel One and B&B provide almost the same prices as Ibis Budget, but don't be fooled. You still have to pay for wi-fi there.

In that area I prefer ETAP Dusseldorf North (or it is called now Ibis Budget Dusseldorf Airport). Nice and quiet area. Driving is about the same. Maybe 5 mit longer, but this is not essential.B&B is usually around €49 and includes WiFi (you don't even need to be a guest to have free WiFi).

Motel One is a bit more expensive than B&B and supposedly the non-breakfast rate also includes in-room WiFi as well. That's what their corporate customer service told me. I never stayed at Motel One just because B&B is cheaper.

Maxime
07-07-13, 09:37
Interesting to see how a thread which had many emotional discussions about AO, now turns into a travel forum discussing breakfast.)

Jymondor
07-07-13, 15:38
Interesting to see how a thread which had many emotional discussions about AO, now turns into a travel forum discussing breakfast.)I would say "turns into the normal forum life". We are here to discuss any small details that could make our mongering experience more comfortable.

Johncr04
07-23-13, 06:37
Newbie question here. Was wondering how one would get the username and password to see the expanded pictures section on their website. Is it generic or does one need to sign up?

Thanks!

Nestor X
07-23-13, 21:50
Newbie question here. Was wondering how one would get the username and password to see the expanded pictures section on their website. Is it generic or does one need to sign up? Thanks!I have read that to achieve access on the Club Angelique website you have to make a visit and then the staff that works there provide you with the login information. But if you want to have a look at some of the girls who are available there you can use this link:

http://www.girl-finden.de/0000/girls-viersen-duelken.html

Happy Fkk
07-28-13, 16:25
Interesting to see how a thread which had many emotional discussions about AO, now turns into a travel forum discussing breakfast.)Where is this thread now? It seems linked to Germany. FKK Clubs but if you click there, I can't see Fkk Arabella.

Why all these clubs don't have their own thread like before and as it should be?

Maybe someone should open a Germany. Other Clubs or Germany. Small Clubs.

Dreams
07-29-13, 10:02
Where is this thread now? It seems linked to Germany. FKK Clubs but if you click there, I can't see Fkk Arabella.

Why all these clubs don't have their own thread like before and as it should be?

Maybe someone should open a Germany. Other Clubs or Germany. Small Clubs.I don't think it is an issue with "censors" or else.

Just that no one has recently visited those clubs, or bothered to report.

I myself have not been since some time, so have nothing to report.

If you read French or germnan, there are quite a ot reports for those clubs in French and german fora.

Tjohoo
07-29-13, 12:29
Where is this thread now? It seems linked to Germany. FKK Clubs but if you click there, I can't see Fkk Arabella.I can see it. But since a while this and other "user threads" are way down on the page.

T

Jimmy Boy 99
07-29-13, 23:13
But I would not mind if someone who went recently gave us some recent info about what happens in in the club.

On other fora, I read that Arabella lost some of the best girls, and, more disappointingly, that Villa Venus was not as good as it used to be. Anyone there to confirm / inform. Sadly I have no imminent trip planned.I was at FKK Venus on a Saturday and then the next Monday in late June. Both times there were 12-14 girls present. By the reception area are photographs of the girls, arranged by what they do (no bareback (one girl) , pussy bareback, and anal bareback. I believe CIM is included in the price but never did it, preferring to come in pussy. There is no real food available so bring your own (I did). The girls, who are naked, sit on individual couches and you go sit with the one you are interested in. You can feel up her tits, ass, and pussy, and she will massage your dick and give you a blow-job on the couch before going to the room. I found only half of the girls to be doable, at mid-range FKK standard, with the others too fat or unattractive facially or bodily. I did 6 of them, all bareback, over the two visits: Lily (spunky, energetic Romanian blonde with albino pussy, nice session, came in pussy) , Larissa (older Romanian brunette, so-so session) , Suzie (Romanian brunette with nice face and tits but a fat ass, good session but did not want to do anal, even though she was one the anal girls listed by the reception area) , Bianca (Rumanian Brunette. 20 years old, great session, came in pussy) , Gaby (19 year old Bulgarian, good session, fingered her pussy to the music while she massaged my dick for at least 10 minutes on the couch) , and Elena (18 year old Bulgarian, average face but nice tits, blow-job on couch, very good session, came in pussy).

I found the girls and the club to be very nice and a great value. However, some of the girls may not shower after the session, as two of them (Larissa and Elena) were back at their couches before I returned from my shower. Also, I got gonorrhea here (unless it was at Club Angelique, which I went to on the Sunday in between the FKK Venus visits and also barebacked two girls) , an obvious downer. I tried to E-mail them to get the girls I went with tested but could never get though to them (did the same with Club Angelique, successfully, for which they thanked me). Despite the gonorrhea, the sensation of fucking bareback is so much better than with condom that I would go back to both clubs, despite the risk (certainty?) of getting a STD, but at the end of my trip so getting infected would not ruin the rest of the trip, as it did this time.

EastGoing
07-30-13, 07:47
I got gonorrhea here (unless it was at Club Angelique, which I went to on the Sunday in between the FKK Venus visits and also barebacked two girls) , an obvious downer.I wonder why people don't post this when those things occur. I have recently been to Club Angelique twice, Arabella twice and VV. I'll soon post about. A couple of questions: shall I post here about Angelique or in the AO clubs thread which is dead since a lot of time, in spite of seeming a good initiative to me the fact of putting all of them together? So far I'm still in good health, at least appearently. Should I realize I have caught something, I have to follow the "procedure" of declaring it, if ever, months later? How and what should I say to the clubs? Times, girls, STD? Would they care and do something? Also, many girls declared to be pratically new, and some are off or on holiday. What happened to the "old ones"? Is it possible they just got diseases and therefore have been put on holiday and / or sent away? I could understand having a few new ones on top of others, but it seemed a big turn over.

SwingerLover
07-30-13, 09:56
on a Saturday and then the next Monday in late June.

Should I realize I have caught something, I have to follow the "procedure" of declaring it, if ever, months later?As I have stated elsewhere before, it doesn't make ANY sense to post about a gonorrhea infection months later. What would be the purpose? All others will be cured as well by that time, so there's nothing anymore to be warned about. But this now useless warning will live on in this thread here forever, badmouthing the clubs for no reason. Or do you think any newbie who reads about those clubs in connection with an infection will bother going there, even if it isn't true anymore or even wasn't true at all.

And then people wonder about why there are no more reports on those clubs. Surprise, surprise. First they get badmouthed for no reason that's valid anymore, then one wonders about why no one doesn't go there anymore. Brilliant thinking!

I'd say for future occurances: If you got infected someplace and are absolutely SURE about where you got it, (which I defy anybody to be sure about in cases of 'the clap') then post it immediately and not months later when it doesn't do anybody any good anymore at all.

So, EastGoing, to answer your satirical question: No, don't follow this "procedure" of posting it after months! Post it immediately and then have Jackson delete the warning again a few weeks after you're cured; by then the source of infection should be cleared as well. That is if one actually got the clap from having sex.

Jimmy Boy 99
07-30-13, 17:18
Despite the gonorrhea, the sensation of fucking bareback is so much better than with condom that I would go back to both clubs, despite the risk (certainty?) of getting a STD, but at the end of my trip so getting infected would not ruin the rest of the trip, as it did this time.I just stated what happened to me after visiting these clubs (due to the latency period of gonorrhea and the bareback sex, it is almost certain that I got it there). Where is the warning for people to stay away, since I said I would return? Having uncovered sex is risky, and the more uncovered it is, the higher the risk. We all should make a cost / benefit analysis of having uncovered sex, decide how much risk we are willing to take, and accept the results.

Your argument that someone reading this a month or year from now is going to be scared off is ridiculous, because as you yourself said, by that time the problem will have been solved, so where is the risk?

Breadman
07-30-13, 18:07
For the guys planning longer trips, avoid what happened with Jimmy and try to visit AO clubs near the end of a trip.

UltraHappy
07-31-13, 02:27
i just stated what happened to me after visiting these clubs (due to the latency period of gonorrhea and the bareback sex, it is almost certain that i got it there). where is the warning for people to stay away, since i said i would return? having uncovered sex is risky, and the more uncovered it is, the higher the risk. we all should make a cost / benefit analysis of having uncovered sex, decide how much risk we are willing to take, and accept the results.

your argument that someone reading this a month or year from now is going to be scared off is ridiculous, because as you yourself said, by that time the problem will have been solved, so where is the risk?i agree wholeheartedly with jimmyboy. more information is always better so that the forum members can be more fully informed about the nature of the activities we are engaging in.

if there is a problem posed the information that jimmyboy is sharing about his experiences, then the answer is to cure that risk with more sREP019ch, not censorship or discouraging jimmyboy from sharing information. if jimmyboy's information poses a risk (for example, badmouthing a club or raising a false warning) , then the answer is to do exactly what swingerlover did, that is, share the reasons why a club's name should not be maligned and why there is or isn't a danger to be concerned about. the forum members can make up their own minds after hearing all of the information from everyone.

the forum members are not so dull-witted that they need to be protected from exposure to jimmyboy's experiences because they will not be able to understand or correctly process swingerlover's astute observations. ok, maybe i have gone too far with this assumption, but i would like to give most of the folks here the benefit of the doubt.

i encourage the sharing of all such experiences if for no other reason than the fact that such vigorous discussion will give us pause to think about such things and to be more fully informed about the risks we face.

i have been lucky so far and haven't caught anything. i hope that if i do ever catch anything that my fellow forum members will at least indulge me with a forum to share my worries and concerns (if not to sympathize with me). i imagine that some of this stuff can be scary for folks to go through, so we shouldn't discourage discussion around these points, especially if these discussions have the potential for allaying fears or helping folks get through stressful situations.

Breadman
07-31-13, 03:43
If your a senior member in good standing, a report on catching a std at ANY club should be allowed to stand no questions asked.

Vito Corleone
07-31-13, 11:13
Those morons who came to lecture us have fnally, it seems, given up.

But I would not mind if someone who went recently gave us some recent info about what happensith in the club.

On other fora, I read that Arabella lost some of the best girls, and, more disappointingly, that Villa Venus was not as good as it used to be.

Anyone there ot confirm / infirm. Sadly I have no imminent trip planned.I stopped by both Arabella & Grimberg a couple weeks ago & did not stay. Looked around & browsed at the photos & told the lady I was going to get something to eat & return. Yes, I know it's a weak excuse, but the lineup was below average.

I did visit club Verona / Bellamie in Dortmund. Lineup much better. There was a tall model type babe with crappy teeth & a much slimmer Amalia. She must have lost 20 kilos since her daysatCLL. Great session. There was a big titty German babe with a very soft bod. Not sure if she was AO, but was very very very busy.

Venus has lost most of their best girls to vacation or Dietzenbach. Dietz has more than 20 girls working.

Optimist
07-31-13, 11:54
I think it is helpful to know if a member has picked up an infection. It helps other members get a better anecdotal picture of what can happen. However it should always be done simply as a matter of reporting a fact, without any moralising or drawing any conclusions.

Whether or not a particular source can or should be pinpointed or not is more difficult. The chances are that the girl will have been treated at some time after the contact, and anyway it is not so easy to pinpoint the source. On the other hand there have been a few cases on German forums where a girl who is infected over a longish period has been identified, which as a result helps members to avoid visiting this infected girl

SwingerLover
07-31-13, 12:51
We all should make a cost / benefit analysis of having uncovered sex, decide how much risk we are willing to take, and accept the results.Agreed!


Your argument that someone reading this a month or year from now is going to be scared off is ridiculous, because as you yourself said, by that time the problem will have been solved, so where is the risk?The risk lies in information being on a forum forever, even after the problem no longer exists. I could point to info exactly like that, but that would mean digging out irrelevant information which is by now buried under a lot of newer reports. Still, if anyone were to read this info now, I'm not sure if they would consider going to that particular provider. Even if the info is long out of date and was only second-hand info anyway.


Ok, maybe I have gone too far with this assumption, but I would like to give most of the folks here the benefit of the doubt.I would too. But when I constantly notice that obviously a lot of even the Senior Members haven't read the forum's rules and posting guidelines properly (sometimes even after years of membership) then I shutter to think how new members (and only-readers who aren't registered at all) read reports and what will stick to memory.

You know how it goes: There wasn't a rumour about whatever subject. Not until it got denied. For instance: If I were to write that there NEVER was any case of STD at Swingerclub Candy in Rüsselsheim (which club is closed for years, that's why I use it as an example, and there really never was any STD there to my knowledge) there would be a significant number of people who would think that there must be SOME truth to the denied rumour or else the subject matter would never have come up. So better stay away from there.

Impossible? I don't think so. Bad news stick to memory, whether they are true or not, and the Internet has a loooooooooong memory.


If your a senior member in good standing, a report on catching a std at ANY club should be allowed to stand no questions asked.I agree! And when such information about an STD becomes obsolete because everybody involved got cured, then the warning should be deleted again. (And not posted for the first time months after everybody is cured again.)

Even criminals get their records expunged after a certain time, so why should any info about an STD that had occurred at a certain place live on forever when it is no longer true anymore?


where a girl who is infected over a longish period has been identified, which as a result helps members to avoid visiting this infected girlIn such a case there should not only be continuous warning about a girl like that as long as she is infected, this would even be a case for the states attorney! Because knowingly spreading an STD is a crime in Germany, which may even carry a prison sentence!

EastGoing
07-31-13, 15:46
i posted 7 questions but got answered only to one, however no problem, until i'm in good health there is no hurry, lol. the most urgent was in which thread i should post, anyway, since we are all here i post here.

just a few considerations on the posts below. if jimmyboy caught something in the end of june in those clubs i would have liked to know, since i went there as little as 3 weeks later. nobody can know if the girl who infected him is still there or not and if she has been cured or not (since she may not even have symptoms, being just a carrier) , which was the point of my questions about "holidays" and turnovers. the fact that larissa in vv doesn't shower after the sessions (but she might have been quicker than jimmy) also could have been interesting to know, since i went with a larissa in vv. this said, you don't need to be a doctor to guess the risks of unprotected sex, if i would have known those infos however i reckon it wouldn't have made a big difference: it will not be a shower preventing infections, even if obviously it's better to take the shower rather than not, and i'm old enough, even if probably not intelligent enough, to make decisions. i really had great fantastic sex, probably some of the best sessions ever in my long and considerable p4p career (several hundreds of sessions happened before i joined isg, anyway many nrw ones had the advantage of being uncovered therefore i must keep it into account if i make a ranking) and at level with only one of my girlfriends, a nynphomaniac even worse than me. to be honest, with the service offered in vv and arabella you would be happy also with covered sex, not forgetting the price! but there is an important difference between the 2 clubs, apart from minor things: i found only 3-4 girls fuckable in vv, in ara nearly all of them, with some outstanding: sabrina could be an attraction in major fkks, wouldn't be at all out of place in artemis, not to talk about her skills, attitudes, performances, enthusiasm, energy, intensity, initiative, committment, passion, etc. (what else am i forgetting? i just don't have words left). i couldn't believe i could do anything but anal with her for some 45 mins (yes, even overtime!) for 30 euros! bella, denise, carmen are far better than what i saw in haus-panthera 3 months ago. for you to laugh, and you can believe me, when i arrived home yesterday i went to sleep and dreamt of arabella, now i'm writing and having huge erections! so sad to be back home!

anyway what is done is done, and i agree with jimmy that those sensations are worth some risk, if you come out with little or nothing, obviously. as of now, i'm really happy i did what i did. not just for the barebacking, i'm sure many of us have done it with dead or little participating girlfriends, so it's not just for the strict physical sensations. i wouldn't call gfe many of the sessions i had in this trip: especially in arabella, i have been repeatedly molested, assaulted, held and withheld, abused, REP012d, bited, chewed, mercilessly and relentlessy blown and fucked, not even after unloading the girls, especially sabrina, who also tried to kissmark me and partially succeeded, would give me peace and kept torturing me, ignoring my supplications for pity and warnings about possible time finish, actually i got complaints i wanted to quit them too early! i don't know if they behave like that with everyone, sabrina told me she was like that only with me, she even came twice and i really felt the increase of wet moisture while she was shaking during the "fights". i don't mean to brag about myself, but i'm relatively young and handsome, i am often relatively welcome and accepted by "providers", i don't think she gives that service to a 65 years old 150 kg man. by the way, she also said she can refuse customers if she doesn't like them. can they do that?

guys, i got to go now, i'll post more eventually

Breadman
07-31-13, 16:07
I think it is helpful to know if a member has picked up an infection. It helps other members get a better anecdotal picture of what can happen. However it should always be done simply as a matter of reporting a fact, without any moralising or drawing any conclusions.My only thought is it serves as a reminder to all of us that we are all taking a risk at every club. I don't want somebody preaching about the sins of the flesh and abstaining from this activity. But I also don't want somebody preaching about what a post does to a clubs business.

EastGoing
07-31-13, 16:27
My only thought is it serves as a reminder to all of us that we are all taking a risk at every club. I don't want somebody preaching about the sins of the flesh and abstaining from this activity. But I also don't want somebody preaching about what a post does to a clubs business.Well, in this trip for many times I wasn't a sinner in the strict religious meaning, since I didn't use a condom and unloaded inside, LOL! One of the few times my conscience is clean!

As to effects on clubs' businesses, I think it's more about the worry that they might close, which is something you don't want to happen if you like going there, than a concern about their own earnings.

Also, I don't think we need reminders about the risks one faces when practicing uncovered sex, wether punters post it or not. One of the girls told me they get checked every 2 weeks, but that doesn't make a big difference, if you go with a girl after a guy who has something you have chances to get that anyway.

Breadman
07-31-13, 17:11
As to effects on clubs' businesses, I think it's more about the worry that they might close, which is something you don't want to happen if you like going there, than a concern about their own earnings.I highly doubt any posts in this forum would bring about the closing of even the smallest club in Germany.

EastGoing
08-01-13, 02:46
I don't know why they call themselves club. Apart the small sauna by the lockers, which may "damage" some of your belongings because of the heat, there is a very small lounge with a corner bar and a small smokers area. When you climb there, the bartender asks you what you'd like to drink, collects the entrance fee, informs you about prices and policies, which can be found on their website, and tells you that AO costs 30 euros more, which is not on their website. She calls and recalls all the girls available from their reserved place to line up on the chairs as soon as possible, like it happens in normal flats. They all stay staring at you with a smile and will keep on doing it "everywhere" you go. I didn't like that, because it made me feel forced to choose at once, the smiles seemed forced and somehow begging for you to choose them. Both when entering or finishing the first session, I tried to seek refuge in the smoking area, separated by a glass and with some curtains which I pulled a little to shelter myself, but still mostly I stayed watching the roof or the floor, since they don't follow you physically, but keep on following each and any of your movements with those undesiderable (to me) smiles and glances. Honestly, I say this to give you a clue and not to offend them, they looked like a dog waiting (begging) for you to give him the chocolate. Conversations must be very quick, if an agreement is not reached, then you must split. Even if you are the only man in the "club", conversation is not a pastime, even girls seem not to talk among them if a customer is around. Everything seems to be constantly monitored, the "candidate" will leave you quickly or make you understand the conversation is over, I was even "warned" by a girl that I could be asked why I spoke to her but didn't interact. If you add to this the fact that TVs are off, there is no wi-fi and you probably are not going to talk to a man, if there is any, then you understand the atmosphere: you are locked in there, can't watch out of the window nor take a walk in a garden. Pratically, but maybe that's what they want, since anyway there is not room enough to host the 7-8 girls I found plus other 7 individuals, you can't do anything else but interacting and leave. The pics are real, but they are taken with a good dose of make up and in good positions that highlight the good and hide the bad of the girls. For the record, I sessioned both times with 2 girls in a short while and left, nothing worth being reported from the battling field, they were young and not experienced, but had good will to please me (how they could) on my first visit, on the second trip one of them did hardly the minimum necessary, a (great, she was perfectly mastering it, she just was lazy and /or didn't like me) BBBJ refusing CIM, and the other one again "what she could how she could".

VV is another planet, Arabella another universe.

More to come.

P. S. Breadman, obviously posts here don't have that much power, but many people read and then can talk to other people and spread rumours. I wouldn't know about these clubs without this forum, a friend of mine has already asked for holidays at work to go to NRW after listening to my stories, then he may talk to other guys who may talk to other ones, etc. Unfortunately I won't get commissions by Arabella, but if bad rumours somehow spread, of course there will be a damage, which may lead to some changes or problems for the "users"

Jimmy Boy 99
08-01-13, 05:42
I highly doubt any posts in this forum would bring about the closing of even the smallest club in Germany.Agreed. The percentage of foreigners to locals visiting these AO clubs I suspect is quite low. They survive based on local traffic. As such, the incidence of STDs transmission is also probably pretty low, otherwise, if every local that went there got infected, it would soon close for lack of customers or be shut down as a health hazard by the authorities.

BigBuddy69
08-01-13, 14:47
Eastgoing,

Who were the girls you picked up at Club Angelique? I was there in April and had good meetings with Ruby, Vanessa and Kathie (who doesn't work in CA anymore sadly).

SwingerLover
08-01-13, 19:25
I don't know why they call themselves club.There are other such hoorhouses, who also call themselves clubs without being an actual club. Club Heidi comes to mind, which Vito Corleone pointed out to me when I first started up my AO-map. That's a regular hoorhouse too, but without any flatrate events. That's why didn't put it on the map, and Angelique wouldn't be on there either if it wasn't for their (very) sporadic flatrate days every few months.

I also think that reports on Angelique are misplaced in this thread, since as you pointed out, it's no club. I'd say reports are better off in the Bareback AO thread, and if one did not do AO, then the Other Areas thread of the Germany forum would be the choice.


but if bad rumours somehow spread, of course there will be a damage, which may lead to some changes or problems for the "users"THANK you! You seem to know how rumours can get spread. Although I generally agree with Breadman's assessment that no club will suffer much soley from what is written here about them, the problem is word of mouth, which works in either direction, good or bad. For example: Someone reads something here about an STD-rumour at a certain club, then tells a Dutchman about it, that one writes about it in a Dutch forum and the club starts to wonder why all of a sudden there are no Dutch and Flemish guys around anymore. Something like that had already happened, the damage was however limited because the majority of the custumers were Germans who don't read any Dutch. (And no, that was not at any of those clubs mentioned in this thread.)

Myrrh
08-01-13, 20:26
She calls and recalls all the girls available from their reserved place to line up on the chairs as soon as possible, like it happens in normal flats. They all stay staring at you with a smile and will keep on doing it "everywhere" you go. I didn't like that, because it made me feel forced to choose at once, the smiles seemed forced and somehow begging for you to choose them. Both when entering or finishing the first session, I tried to seek refuge in the smoking area, separated by a glass and with some curtains which I pulled a little to shelter myself, but still mostly I stayed watching the roof or the floor, since they don't follow you physically, but keep on following each and any of your movements with those undesiderable (to me) smiles and glances. Honestly, I say this to give you a clue and not to offend them, they looked like a dog waiting (begging) for you to give him the chocolate.Young, fairly attractive girls who all line up before you dutifully so that you can choose whichever one you want. Who are constantly smiling and staring at you with begging looks. With eyes that say that they are desperate for you to empty your sperm into their unprotected pussies.

It's a tough life!

Jimmy Boy 99
08-02-13, 00:47
A tEastgoing,

Who were the girls you picked up at Club Angelique? I was there in April and had good meetings with Ruby, Vanessa and Kathie (who doesn't work in CA anymore sadly).I went with a girl named Kathi in July. She may or may not be the same girl you went with.

Jimmy Boy 99
08-02-13, 02:17
I don't know why they call themselves club. Apart the small sauna by the lockers, which may "damage" some of your belongings because of the heat, there is a very small lounge with a corner bar and a small smokers area. When you climb there, the bartender asks you what you'd like to drink, collects the entrance fee, informs you about prices and policies, which can be found on their website, and tells you that AO costs 30 euros more, which is not on their website. She calls and recalls all the girls available from their reserved place to line up on the chairs as soon as possible, like it happens in normal flats. They all stay staring at you with a smile and will keep on doing it "everywhere" you go. I didn't like that, because it made me feel forced to choose at once, the smiles seemed forced and somehow begging for you to choose them. Both when entering or finishing the first session, I tried to seek refuge in the smoking area, separated by a glass and with some curtains which I pulled a little to shelter myself, but still mostly I stayed watching the roof or the floor, since they don't follow you physically, but keep on following each and any of your movements with those undesiderable (to me) smiles and glances. Honestly, I say this to give you a clue and not to offend them, they looked like a dog waiting (begging) for you to give him the chocolate. Conversations must be very quick, if an agreement is not reached, then you must split. Even if you are the only man in the "club", conversation is not a pastime, even girls seem not to talk among them if a customer is around. Everything seems to be constantly monitored, the "candidate" will leave you quickly or make you understand the conversation is over, I was even "warned" by a girl that I could be asked why I spoke to her but didn't interact. If you add to this the fact that TVs are off, there is no wi-fi and you probably are not going to talk to a man, if there is any, then you understand the atmosphere: you are locked in there, can't watch out of the window nor take a walk in a garden. Pratically, but maybe that's what they want, since anyway there is not room enough to host the 7-8 girls I found plus other 7 individuals, you can't do anything else but interacting and leave. The pics are real, but they are taken with a good dose of make up and in good positions that highlight the good and hide the bad of the girls. For the record, I sessioned both times with 2 girls in a short while and left, nothing worth being reported from the battling field, they were young and not experienced, but had good will to please me (how they could) on my first visit, on the second trip one of them did hardly the minimum necessary, a (great, she was perfectly mastering it, she just was lazy and /or didn't like me) BBBJ refusing CIM, and the other one again "what she could how she could"."I went there twice at the end of June. The first time I was there I felt the same sense of awkwardness, with 6 girls sitting on their stools looking at me. I told them they didn't have to sit on their stools since I wasn't ready to chose, but they didn't move. I finally walked up to each of them and identified the ones I recognized from the website. I chose Lorena, a big-titted blonde. We had a great bareback hour session but she tried to cheat me out of 20 Euro (10 Euro Tuesday discount on session (didn't) and 10 Euro extra for bareback (did). She also told me CIM was 50 Euro and anal 100 Euro extra, which I declined, and don't know if they are accurate. As Eastgoing said, there is nothing to do there but I did have my cell phone and played some games on it to while the time away while I recovered for the next session, which was with Kathi, another great session (1/2 hour) , and lastly a good hour session with Alina (no longer there). The girls did move around and some danced when there was appropriate dance music, so it wasn't like it was a morgue.

The second visit I found that I had been missing out on substantial couch time when I observed the girls sitting and making out with customers. I availed myself of this pre-room fun with Vanessa and Kathi, before having two more great hour sessions. I found most of the girls at Club Angelique attractive to very attractive and the service was outstanding, and would certainly go there again.

EastGoing
08-02-13, 15:49
SL, I asked where should I post, with other few questions which nobody bothered to answer yet, the ones who seemed more interesting to me being about "holidays and turnovers" and if girls can refuse a customer. Since the AO clubs thread has been death sentenced, by you, to my regret, and having seen that somebody else posted here about Angelique, I put it here. BTW, I wasn't given any code to access their website.


Agreed. The percentage of foreigners to locals visiting these AO clubs I suspect is quite low. They survive based on local traffic. As such, the incidence of STDs transmission is also probably pretty low, otherwise, if every local that went there got infected, it would soon close for lack of customers or be shut down as a health hazard by the authorities.I like this a lot, that's what I thought too and gave me the courage (don't laugh; P) to do it when I was so reluctant.


For the guys planning longer trips, avoid what happened with Jimmy and try to visit AO clubs near the end of a trip.I'm reading on google about incubation periods, if your trip lasts about one week or little more nothing should come up even if you caught it on your first day.


Young, fairly attractive girls who all line up before you dutifully so that you can choose whichever one you want. Who are constantly smiling and staring at you with begging looks. With eyes that say that they are desperate for you to empty your sperm into their unprotected pussies.

It's a tough life!Yes, I appreciate your joke, but honestly it's acceptable (or better masked) in bigger establishments, where the broiler chickens have some room to move and spread their wings, not only their legs, a TV or even a kino in whose movies none is interested, a garden to walk, not mentioning pools or sunbathing. In Angelique I, as a free customer in the condition you described above, felt like a sort of prisoner.


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The second visit I found that I had been missing out on substantial couch time when I observed the girls sitting and making out with customers. I availed myself of this pre-room fun with Vanessa and Kathi, before having two more great hour sessions. I found most of the girls at Club Angelique attractive to very attractive and the service was outstanding, and would certainly go there again.I thought the same on my second visit, because on the first I was the only man! Well, I asked a "couple" who had been talking a lot of time about their freedom: the guy was a regular and the girl was not on duty yet, otherwise, as previously said, a couple of minutes will be more than enough to see if candle's sparkled. I sessioned with Evelyn, Vanessa, Alice and Denisa. Personally I don't think I'll go back there, I already went back by mistake, I'd rather go to bigger clubs, with more girls and lower cost: in VV & C. Everything is included, here 30mins are more expensive and AO is not included.

Seabreeze0003
08-02-13, 16:24
Newbie question here. Was wondering how one would get the username and password to see the expanded pictures section on their website. Is it generic or does one need to sign up?

Thanks!That's why I skipped this club on my last trip. If I can't see the pictures beforehand, I prefer to go somewhere else.

EastGoing
08-02-13, 17:20
I went to Villa Venus at about 5pm. Somebody posted it's difficult to reach without a car, well, I got strasserbahn to Amsterdamer Strasse and walked some 20 mins, for those bothering there was a bus stop about 5 mins walk off the club but I didn't want to look for further connections (also, on the way back, being technologically impaired, I even got lost and wandered a good 15 mins more luckily finding the right track, LOL!). The club inside looks fair enough, I'm sorry but I forgot the most details after the traumas I underwent in Arabella, I still consider myself a newbie to Germany and I was a total 0 in this kind of clubs, so I hope I'll get some sympathy and comprehension at least by non-pro-posters which abund in german threads and make me feel a little child, while in all other threads I'm fairly respected.

Anyway, there were 18 girls which made me choose the 110 euros for the 3 sessions option. My doubts were due to the sight of (to my standards) many unfuckable girls, but being everything allowed honestly you can't help choosing that. The girls were sitting alone on 2-seats-sofas, all cheerful and smiling (not begging or looking like) , the atmosphere was friendly and relaxed, nobody seemed to be under any pressure nor made me feel pressure on me, some couples chatting or starting preliminaries, girls talking to each other or walking around were completing the picture. After showering and trying to get mentally acquainted with the club, the girls and (basically) the "main course", I choose (I'm not sure of the name) Alice, tall fake blond, not too bad physically, but really unwatchable boobs, they seemed drained, empty, falling dead, something that was common to the very most of girls I saw there that day, I wonder if it'a sort of virus that spread among them, LOL! Anyway in that moment she was the "less worse".

I asked for a simple BBBJ, she was very nice, caring, we had a lot of fun hearing the moans and noises of our "neighbours". It was like having them with us, since the walls were not to the roof. She gave a very good service, I didn't feel like fucking her because that boob detail annoyed me, I thought I'd save a "disease-lottery-ticket" for a girl I would find fuckable, I had spotted the 3 "victims" when I was already committed with her. I CIMmed and she happily swallowed, I didn't realize that at once, only after a couple of minutes, because I noticed she waited for the very last drop, carried on and didn't stand away nor got napkins for spitting. However, good time and good service, we joked and played still a few minutes and then split.
Second session was with Bianca, who had opened the door to me and then disappeared. A bit short, bum a bit big, anyway fuckable. If I'm not mistaken she has been positively mentioned in the forum, or maybe other forums. Well, great service, great blowing, great fucking, great session, surely recommendable. In that moment I thought I couldn't get better from the point of view of performance, attitude and service (of course not about the body).
Last prey was supposed to be Gaby, another short brunette, but slim and proportionate, I even had tried to tell her that I would go with her eventually when she was walking by my sofa, but she spoke no english and instead of stopping she kept walking away. I was joined by the "owner" of the sofa, Larissa, who was one of the 3 I reckoned more fuckable, being slim, proportionate and taller than the other 2 candidates (not that it was difficult to find taller ones). We started talking and I tried to tell her that I had promised my heart (poetic euphemism) to another girl, so I could have left her place if she wanted. She wanted me to stay, we had a pleasant conversation, added to the fact that Gaby was lost in space and hadn't shown interest in me, I gave in and we moved to the room. Good blowing, great fucking, great service, less skills than Bianca but more fun, less PSE than her but more GFE, very good session anyway. I'd dare to say she put less professionality and more personal involvement than Bianca, therefore she might be less recommendable, Jimmyboy wasn't very happy with her, if she's the same one.

Before leaving I saw Gaby, I thought about going with her too, but it was also a bit late and opted for leaving. Quite happy for the service, price, atmosphere and the overall, I thought I was likely to return, I recalled an enthusiastic post of a guy who had been here for the first time a few months ago and I was agreeing and sharing his feelings. I didn't know what storms were awaiting me in Arabella.

Jimmy Boy 99
08-02-13, 17:43
Gaby, another short brunette, but slim and proportionate, I even had tried to tell her that I would go with her eventually when she was walking by my sofa, but she spoke no english and instead of stopping she kept walking away. . I was joined by the "owner" of the sofa, Larissa. . I'd dare to say she put less professionality and more personal involvement than Bianca, therefore she might be less recommendable, Jimmyboy wasn't very happy with her, if she's the same one.I went with Gaby and as far as I recall she spoke at least some English. Larissa was an OK session, just not as good as the others.

EastGoing
08-02-13, 18:09
I still consider myself a newbie to Germany and I was a total 0 in this kind of clubs, so I hope I'll get some sympathy and comprehension at least by non-pro-posters which abund in german threads and make me feel a little child, while in all other threads I'm fairly respected.

I obviously mean that there is an abundance of members who know a lot about our hobby here, compared to other threads where residents or frequent travellers are very low in numbers and posts.


I went with Gaby and as far as I recall she spoke at least some English. Larissa was an OK session, just not as good as the others.I speak reasonably fluently four languages, obviously english being the main one when travelling, so I have hopes to manage to find girls who can conversate with me in one way or another, especially if they are romanians, latin. As to Gaby, I don't know, maybe she didn't like me, she could have stopped a second for money if not for love, she's there for money and I was there for sex, but she just kept walking. I remember asking her "you speak english?","No" was her answer. Probably better like that, I was quite happy with Larissa's time and session.

Dreams
08-03-13, 10:22
I disovered VV last March, and had a really good time there, to the point that this is now my favorite FKK in the whole of Germany.

I know that this will be hard to understand by many, but I prefer the laid back atmosphere, full included service, no upsell, no extras etc. To the constant bickering and poor service with optifucks in bigger Hesse clubs. To each his own, of course.

Trying to find excuses to go back, but in the meantime, keep the reports coming!

EastGoing
08-03-13, 16:38
Got there mid afternoon. 3 bus stops from Wattenscheid Hbf plus a few minutes walk, or 20 mins walking at normal pace, but here it's impossible to get lost even for me, LOL! When I entered I smelt by the stairs going to lockers and showers an unpleasant smell of wet moquette, but got instantly over it. Thekkenfrau was very nice, over mid 40, tall, blonde, blue-eyed, english speaking, smiling and cheerful, must have been great in her time. She took care of me very nicely all the time I was there with each and everything I might ask (or even not, if she saw I was in doubt about something or looking for, she'd promptly intervene) , I was expecting her to follow me in the room to make sure I worked out what I was supposed to be there for. Actually many girls were looking at me with an amused smile when I entered and during my stay. Was it so blatantly clear I was a newbie not only in there, where they obviously had never seem me before, but in an AO club, in any club, in Germany, with a girl? Was I the youngest and / or most beautiful (yes)? Did I look like a tender virgin to play with, have fun and initiate to sex pleasures? Would they enjoy their time with a toy boy?

After the introduction and the payment of 60euros-one-shot-included, I showered, took a walk around and noticed, to my great surprise, that nearly all girls, maybe even all, were reasonably fuckable. With some being "remarkable". Not all of them were portraited, because some were new.

BTW, IF I DON'T GET ANSWERED MY QUESTIONS ABOUT "HOLIDAYS AND TURNOVERS" AND IF A GIRL CAN REFUSE A CUSTOMER, I DON'T POST ANYMORE! :P.

A CHILDISH SPOILT BRAT.

I spotted Sabrina sitting proud in the corner like a queen on the throne, she seemed easily the one with the best body, but I want to see all the "goods", in front and behind, because I prefer to choose knowingly and not find surprises, I didn't feel like asking her to stand and turn, also in that moment she wasn't smiling, so I continued my tour. I noticed Moldovan Gaby, somebody not too long ago posted a pic of her with red hair in some thread, not this one, saying she would do AO, I was sure she was supposed to be somewhere else. Now she's blonde, the haircut is the same, when I had seen that photo I hoped I would come across here if I went to that (which one?) club, but having her in front of me gave me a different sensation. She's not bad physically, but didn't attract me, nor did her general attitude. Actually, if she had been in VV I would have taken her for sure, but the competitors in Arabella were many, younger and more attractive by all points of view.

Shortening, I got in touch with Denisa, new in there, black hair with blonde stripes, more than fair body, brightest, most sincere-looking and most captivating smile of the trip. We had a nice brief conversation about our past "careers" and "fell in love". There were other men around, but the most of eyes were on me, I didn't know if I had to be proud or disappointed with that, but it was embarrassing. She took me by hand going to the room, with that great smile printed on her face, I'm not used to see such an "enthusiasm", thekkenfrau gave us a blessing, she seemed emotionated like a mum to a marriage.

A few little premises: like most of us, I'm used to wooden unwillingly unenthusiastic corpses; I don't like FK because I don't fancy snowball leftovers; in this trip I had my first AO experiences, which I'm even shy reporting and don't even specify clearly; I don't DATY because (take a seat and hold tight!) I'm afraid of catching diseases (explaination: since it's me paying for my own pleasure, the mucosa involved must be mine and risks and odds must be by my side).

This said, the action was according to bookmakers' expectations towards the sacrificial victim: she played me like a muppet, SHE had a lot of fun assaulting a nearly defenseless and helpless shy beginner pupil, she did all she wanted with me, kissing, blowing, fucking, from all sides and positions, a massacre. When I unloaded she kept hugging, caressing and kissing me, not forgetting a few bites, WTF, was I dreaming? When she had enough she set me free, I'm reasonably convinced we stayed longer than 30 mins. I couldn't help promising her that, if she gave me permission, I would post about her on internet (otherwise I wouldn't? LOL!) , she was very glad to hear that. I headed to the showers staggering and fearing that the water might make me wake up.

Not to write a book, I go straight to second executioner: Bella. Her approach and execution was colder, slower, more professional, but it was very difficult to get to the peaks of Denisa, who can get that far? Bella is a beautiful girl, tall, pretty face, black hair. Great session, getting better and better with time going by because she was letting herself go enjoying what we were doing. While becoming more "familiar" with me, she also took her slice of fun by taking advantage of the unexperienced alien who happened to land there that day. She didn't abuse too much of what was left by Denisa, and when we finished we split but kept joking and laughing also in the hall, something I wouldn't imagine in Angelique.

Sabrina had been quite busy, I had seen her walking around and I was wondering how such a body could be had for such little money, no matter what treatment she could give. Other girls told her in front of me I would have liked to go with her, and she turned out "but he has already been with 2!", sounding like she really didn't want me. I felt not at ease and told her that if she didn't want me I wouldn't insist, she said "no, it's ok" sounding like sorry and hardly bearing the task. I went to shower first, eventually she'll tell me that in the meantime she asked infos about me, LOL, how I am, how I do, etc. A few lines above I asked a question, now I have the answer: Sabrina, a fierce, ferocious wild savage beast, a real tiger with fangs and claws. Luckily she didn't want to come with me, what if she had come with me willingly? (I'll find out on my second visit...). Or maybe she feared she'd give me the "coup de grace", therefore it was better for me to avoid her? After a difficult beginning with her ravening, devouring and tearing me to pieces, at a certain point of the fight I found her weak point: being fucked from behind. During the several contortions it was always her leading the game, now I was in control. She said she wanted to change position, I asked "why, because you can't bite me like this?","no, because I'll end up coming and I don't want to". WTF, she managed to escape and rejump on me, but in the end I managed to tame her, repositionate her and we both happily released. Not too many words to describe this session, she didn't even want to "unplug" and tried to be sweet and gentle, a little kitten. It took a good while before we go out of the room, this time I watched the clock. 45mins abundant.

A little while after, I picked up my pieces, greeted warmly and gratefully even the sofas and the tiles, and put an end to the greatest mongering (and non) day of my career and sexual life.

Dreams
08-03-13, 19:31
Funny how things can change in a few months.

Last March I went first to Arabella full of expectations, and was quite disappointed by the line up. Then went to VVenus and was ecstatic there. Seems that things have changed again, and that Arabella is now again back on top.

Anyway, I always rent a car when travelling there, so can shift from one to another if required.

Tough life.

EastGoing
08-04-13, 16:19
i'm going to share some random observations, excuse me for withholding some infos and details, but i'm really posting much more than i thought i would, also, the fact of delayed posting implies forgetting things, anyway i'm giving you many infos about this clubs that may be of interest to everybody, especially regarding the "atmospheres", which are more important than the mere numbers and "gossip", names, etc, probably it won't make a big difference or be of help to you to know in how many positions sabrina (just to take a random one) and i coupled. just bear in mind that those are my impressions and what happened to me, it may not be the same for everyone. as i just pmed back to a fellow appreciating my reports, it's also a matter of luck, habits, likings, chemistry, etc.


can't speak for the fkk-girls, but judging from the ao-girls in krefeld i'm under the impression that they don't "apprechiate" the use of condoms for health reasons, but because they are too lazy to go wash after each fuck.this masterpiece of poetry by swingerlover has been wandering in my head since reading jimmyboy's comment about larissa and another girl not going to shower after sessions, since i found it, i resume it for a laughter.

if i'm not mistaken, all girls asked me if i wanted to use a condom or not, even if i felt different scales of interest towards my answer, i mean that one was already sticking it inside, being that an obvious part of a REP012, even if in an uncommon reversed version, and one had jumped on top of me with clear intentions and probably just remembered by chance to ask. when i democratically asked back if they wanted to use it, a good half said they preferred not to, even with enthusiasm, one had a bright light in her eyes while steadily saying "i obviously prefer without", the others said it was the same for them, and didn't have any special reaction after my decision, seemed like ordering a beer rather than a coke to the waitress.

if i'm not mistaken, nearly all the girls i sessioned with had no hurry at all to stand up and leave, they wanted (i underline wanted, not just agreed or accepted a request from me, it was their genuine intention) to stay a little bit more after i released, some of them with the dick (and fluids) still inside, some still playing with it "after", it was always and only me the one who wanted to rush to bathroom (in ao sessions) , and quite a few times i found (successful) opposition to my intent, with even complaints for wanting to drop them as soon as unloaded. i consider this a "plus", a sign of appreciation and liking towards me, again, i don't know, but honestly i don't believe they behave like that with everyone. bianca, a real professional, probably the only one i met (i think she could easily shoot as a porn actress, even if she doesn't have the body) , parted quite quickly: mission accomplished, a few post-action-pleasantries and bye; in angelique only evelyn wasn't in a hurry, but i wouldn't even include (and in some things i didn't) that club in my considerations, it was the only one of the 3 places where i could find defects, i think that if they didn't offer ao they wouldn't go that far. in vv and ara i wasn't refused anything, i was offered (given?"imposed"?) everything, happily and heartily, i never felt any pression (apart the blessed "aggressions" in ara) , especially about clockwatching. actually, i reckon i never stayed less than the paid 30mins even if popping earlier (i'm used that when i pop it's over) , but most times i stayed longer than that, on my second battle with sabrina i was quite sure that thekkenfrau, a different one not english speaking, would charge me more, because before entering the room i had heard a discussion with another customer about the fact that they would ask 120 euros for one hour with a girl. i had asked sabrina to translate that because i wanted to sequester my honey, even for longer, but obviously it was better to make 2 30mins sessions for 60 euros (gosh. 1 euro / min, a phone call from home to my german mobile number would cost more). bella was the "quickest" to stand up for leaving in ara, but still took 3-4 mins o'clock. somehow i feel sorry for making her look like in a secondary position, in another context i'd vow meeting her like a stroke of luck, i would sign instantly to find beforehand a girl like her in most places i visit. if i had met her in vv i'd have been enthusiastic and i'd have magnified her and the club, remember that i declared being quite happy there for going with girls she would overwhelm from all points of view. but meeting her (a handsome and somehow classy girl, with quite good skills in bed but more moderated and more "in control" than my 2 favourites when performing) , between denisa and sabrina, 2 rough barbarians who, one in a light-hearted way, like playing a game, one like a tireless warrior, really smashed and brutalized me,"unfortunately" makes her look nothing special, but she's worth a visit.


i know that this will be hard to understand by many, but i prefer the laid back atmosphere, full included service, no upsell, no extras etc. to the constant bickering and poor service with optifucks in bigger hesse clubs. to each his own, of course.thanks for appreciating my reports, i fully agree with the above, actually it should be harder to understand the contrary

Jimmy Boy 99
08-04-13, 17:01
Since the AO Club thread is closed, there is no Club Angelique thread, and this thread is no longer solely about VV, Arabella, and SG as there are now Club Angelique reports in this thread, perhaps Admin can change the thread title so that new readers who are interested in Club Angelique will know that there are reports on the club here.

EastGoing
08-05-13, 22:18
when i was to leave on day 1, after greeting whomever and whatever, what attracted more my attention, which was roughly equal to the one of a knocked out boxer, was denise's and her neighbours' smiles. i'm sure girls must have laughed a lot while chitchatting among them about me. who knows what she said to sabrina while i went to shower before sessioning with her, probably she convinced her that she would have had fun, since she had sounded so reluctant. denise was one of the girls who halted sabrina to tell her that i wanted to go with her, rejecting her objections about me having already been with 2.

back to me leaving, thekkenfrau had called sabrina, who was hanging around by there, i don't know if on her own or awaiting me, to accompany me out. i thought we had already kissed goodbye when finishing our session. normally i don't go back to girls i've already been with, basically because i like to change, but also to avoid spoiling memories if session was good. while licking my wounds, i was strongly considering another visit in arabella, not sure yet, but when she embraced and kissed me by the exit, all doubts were swept away by the same storms that had invested me that day. i'm sure she read in my eyes she would see me again, in spite of me declaring nothing about that.

on day 2, having become obvious even to myself, not only to my dick, that i was basically going back for denise and sabrina, let's say for the "revenge", and not to taste the other fuckable girls, i wanted to make sure they were at work. i rang arabella, the thekkenfrau on duty didn't speak english but i understood with great sorrow that only sabrina was there. i tried to console myself by thinking that anyway she was the best of the 2, and maybe i could focus only on her, against all my principles, especially mongering ones, who state not to stick to one girl as a main rule. when i arrived she was walking by the entrance, destiny is destiny, she warmly welcomed me, i told her "i came back for you, honey", she knew it, she smiled "i know", she told me to go and shower, she'd wait for me.

in the room she half-ironically asked me if the person phoning to ask about denise and sabrina was me. she's so smart, and she always inexplicably knows all i do, i love that. i forgot to mention that she is 19 years-old, a real monster, especially considering her age, sabrina is 30, more than 10 years experienced. i never had a real 3some (once in car i got blown by 2, obviously romanians, quite uncomfortable) , should i ever have it i can't imagine better candidates: among other advantages, i wouldn't have to worry about directing or taking initiatives, only problem would be my integrity and safety, luckily there weren't "toys" in the rooms (apart from me).

during the "warming up", she declared to me that today her main and first goal would be to kissmark me allover, i don't know if that was due to the fact that i had informed her i'd leave the following morning, anyway quite a good start for a declaration of war. i told her not to or to just be happy with a small one, maybe because i'm a bit childish, i've always liked having them for showing off to wankers and other girls, lol! she paused the assault for laughing, but i wasn't anymore an easy sparring partner: at lightning sREP019d i overturned our bodies and i planted my fingers by her holes and my teeth on her neck. funnily, she was more worried for the pussy than for the rest, we couldn't help laughing when i made her notice that she wouldn't mind tens of bare cocks but she was afraid of a finger. anyway we got along fantastically to say the least, it was great to feel her getting wetter and wetter until the final reciprocal "showers", again nearly contemporaneous, again i "lost the race" for a few seconds. again, she didn't want to unplug and wanted to lay with me for further "rubbings" and cuddles. while chatting, i had informed her i found out that day that she was mentioned in forums (true, but not this one) , i showed her on her mobile, at first she was glad but got disappointed when reading about the definition of ao lady. to "change" topic, i told her it was time to go, about 45 mins, i already posted about other thekkenfrau and price discussion about timing. she got upset that i wanted to dump her in spite or her reassurances i would pay only 30mins, also being first session it was anyway included in entrance fee. i told her not to worry, we would have second and maybe, if "necessary" (lol!) , third session, but she kept complaining for me being unrespectful of her still willing to lay in bed with me, even out of the room. she was more disappointed than i thought, we split not in great mood, also i wasn't asked more money and she heavily harshly commented, all eyes on us.

she got busy soon, i thought once free she'd come to me. i had informed the other girls, by whom i had become quite popular, when receiving "avances", that i was awaiting sabrina, so that they wouldn't waste time courting me. i noticed 4-5 other "new" girls. 2-3 quite worth. the club wasn't busy, so i got involved in conversations anyway. shortening, when sabrina finished didn't come to me, i was even sitting by her couch, she totally ignored me and went to other men, once she sat nearly 1 hour o'clock on the sofa with a man, both of them laughing to my (and even neighbouring girls'!) loud falsely-amused invitations to sREP019d up the process. the guy, a mid40 years old weighing some 140 kg, was truly enjoying his time with the star sitting on him, but i wonder if he understood the situation, if he did and took it long anyway, he was a real bas.... i wonder if he paid for that time, if not why thekkenfrau didn't intervene? they were in front of the counter! the other girls didn't go farther than offering me their services, i couldn't understand what else they were saying among themselves, but i guess there were comments on what was going on. i couldn't make a melodrama, she was not my girlfriend, she's a prostitute in a (ao!) brothel where i was a simple client, she could be my daughter (even if that same day i was quoted 32 and by one 26, i hope for her she was joking, because she sounded serious while repeating it 3 times) , etc. what was annoying me more was the fact of possibly looking like a jealous exboyfriend, and actually i realized feeling clues of the presence of bloody stupid unwanted feelings of jealousy, affection, etc, all bullshit i was sure, and i had promised myself, i wouldn't feel anymore. maximum i could do would have been, as a customer and not as a boyfriend or ex, to complain to thekkenfrau for excessive couch time, but i would have been more ridiculous than i am by writing these facts in the forum. i was not in the mood to go with another girl, even if that was the obvious and more natural thing, repeatedly suggested by spectators, i'd say really even out of their own possible interest. i publicly blame myself for being so childish and stupid in certain things, but i didn't like that game, i wasn't playing a role, i was really fuming. after a couple of hours, meeting me while walking around she tried to establish a contact for some 3 times, first by greeting then by calling me, but i wouldn't mind her. the other girls, mostly doing nothing, followed the show, but they were all by my side, lol! i had already declared long before that i wouldn't go with sabrina anymore, when the girls were saying things like "there she is, go go".
i just was waiting for her to come to me, i knew she would, it was a likely part of the bloody game. i was sitting on a sofa, she came to me with a smile, i just had the time to tell her that i was waiting for a girl who was busy. the spectators, heard that, intervened even from the neighbouring hall, all telling her off in romanian, a couple of them really badly, again i'm surprised thekkenfrau said nothing, but maybe she was away in that moment, it was really a riot. imagine the scene: small club and nearly without customers around in that moment, with 5-6 girls all together accusing one standing motionless in the middle, i even understood clearly "he's been waiting for you for 3 hours" in romanian. seconds later carmen (i think it was her name, sorry, she wasn't at work on day 1) walked in this mess, wondering what was going on, i stopped her, a moment of silence, she was surprised i wanted her, she couldn't believe me (sabrina was standing in front of me, beside her!) , i grabbed her and went for it leaving behind us the restarted trial to sabrina.

the session was enjoyable, peaceful and tender, what we would normally define a gfe. if you photoshop her belly a bit, but even if you don't, carmen is a pretty possibly 30 years old girl with a very pretty face and nice smile, oddly in the room i realized that her upper jaw has teeth only in the "smile area", good for her they are in the important place, also, what you don't see you don't miss. she really seemed happy, nearly grateful, thrilled, excited, for being chosen. she has a lovely character, i had a good part of the afternoon to appreciate it, she did all she could to please me and she certainly succedeed, she even made me forget about the girl that should have been in her place in that moment. had moments of fun while sucking her lovely tender boobs, she said many punters like them, i also liked her tickled reactions. i chosed her because she seemed the best one in the overall, not just because she walked by in that moment (she came in the perfect moment, not even if agreed it could happen so perfect) or to make a spite to sabrina, i was really waiting for her, i say this for justice towards her, i'd willingly go again with her, she wasn't an expedient or a stopgap, but obviously she couldn't be the first choice with my 2 favourites available.

fully satisfied i went for showering and got changed, upstairs everything was quiet, i didn't see sabrina. i paid, greeted, thanked and headed to the exit. she walked by there looking at me like a beaten dog, i ironically said "bye honey" without stopping and left, if i'm not mistaken this time i wasn't accompanied, but couldn't tell for sure, obviously all my senses and thoughts were on her.

i'm glad i didn't resession with her, i considered going with her after carmen, not minding any other girl inspite of having worth ones around, but that could only lead to some trouble, i don't want and don't need to develope any kind of connection or liaison to any girl anymore, i've had my share and decided to be mongering for the rest of my life, until i have the physical and economical possibilities at least. i had reasoned on the risk of multisessioning with her, since there was such a chemistry and entente between us (obviously i can't post each and every thing we did or speak about) , which is another reason why i put in my principles not to go twice with the same girl.

in the end of august i'll be by giessen, some 200km away.

that's all (so far?)

Optimist
08-06-13, 11:54
East Going. Excellent report about Sabrina. Thank you. You certainly took the right decision. It was nice for me to know that other mongers have had the same experience of girls beginning to play emotional games and in the end (unless the mongers are wise like you) being captured by girls. I have had girls make scenes, claiming jealousy, when I went with other girls but then punishing me by making me wait for a session and so on

Your experience goes nicely with the experience of another monger who I posted about under the GoldenTime thread and linked to RoDs which (if I can steal a phrase from you) could now become " a thread of brokenhearted gullible " men :)

Optimist
08-06-13, 12:02
East Going. Sorry I don't know the answer to your questions. Certainly some of the "holidays" girls take are to get rid of infections, and sometimes they come back and don't do AO anymore. But if this applies to Arabella etc I don't know. In the big clubs around Frankfurt years ago the girls were required to be tested but no longer, since this would imply that they are employed not self-employed.

The few girls I have known well (not in AO clubs) have all got themselves regularly tested. It costs up to 250 euros for a complete private screening so I guess that girls in the cheaper clubs don't pay this.

So all in all I don't know

Tjohoo
08-06-13, 15:54
Thank you East Going for your honest reports. Great to read.

But are you not a little bit to harsh in your judgement over Sabrina. She is (if I got it right) 19 years old. An age where people act like childs in one moment and acts like an adult the next. I work with people of that age group every day. And it often strikes me that they are young people in grown up bodies. They live in an other world were they are the center of it, and there main interests are clothes, boys and Facebook!

Two weeks ago I visited a club three days in a row. Day one and two I went to a room with the same lady and had a great time. We also chatted a lot during the rest of the days. On my third day I did not see her during the first hour, and when I spotted her she did not look at me or say hello to me. So I acted the same! After a while I had to pass her on my way out to the terrace, so I put on a smile and said hello. She just said a silent hello. I asked her if everything was OK and why she didn't say hello or come up to me earlier. Then she looked at me with a sort of puzzeled relief, and said that she had tried to say hello to me two times just as I enterd the club, and that I had not answerd her or looked at her, and that she thougt I was mad on her for some reason. At that moment I felt extremely stupid. Here I was, a man double her age, reacting like a child and acting wounded because of a misunderstandning with a women just over 20.

It's not my intention to sound to hard. But reading your story I can very well understand how a 19 years old can act like that. Even if that don't meen that it's OK for them to do so.

But I can also very well understand how you felt.

T

EastGoing
08-06-13, 18:24
Optimist,

Thanks for at least bothering to answer my questions or trying to. Larissa in VV, if I'm not mistaken, told me they take tests every 2 weeks. Since that doesn't make a big difference from a practical point of view, and it wasn't a topic I wanted to discuss having already decided to go AO, I didn't bother to ask further details. Maybe it's the House paying, maybe just for big diseases tests. I agree 250 is a high price. Hopefully someone will answer soon or later.

As to me being wise, well, I'm just experienced. I already heavily fell in the trap twice, which means I'm actually stupid, since I repeat mistakes or risk to repeat them. When I find unfuckable girls, I'm often glad because I know there will be zero risk for me to develope any feeling apart from friendship or just sympathy. Where I live my mongering is based on BBBJs in car provided by not very attractive females, really almost never I happen to fuck, being it not worth due to circumstances, and since I travel often that's not a problem, on the contrary a relaxing BBBJ gives me many more chances to enjoy and release than fucking covered an expensive stunner. Anyway, too often I have to deal with the problems you mentioned of jealousy, spites, etc. I don't trust anyone anymore, I'm given best service by paying less, always being allowed CIM and not clockwatching, but is it because I'm that beautiful? I'm not! Am I wealthy? Obviously not! Am I nice? Maybe. Could I be a possible way out to a better world, being 42, alone and nice, with a probable weak heart wrapped into banknotes for protection (since I always want to make it clear it's just "business")? Much more likely!
When I travel obviously I "risk more" because I come across fuckable, or hopefully much more than fuckable, girls, but there's no time, no occasion, and normally not second chance, so I'm safe.

Tjohoo,

Maybe you are right, but anyway Sabrina and I wouldn't have to get married, better to put an end to it, possibly badly, so that less regrets come out in case of real (pointless) feelings. Perhaps she misunderstood I didn't want her anymore? She got offended by my fear to be asked 120 euros instead of 30 by thekkenfrau, meaning I gave more importance to 90 euros than to her companionship? Or she just thought I wanted to go with her 3 hours after our first session? Or she spotted regulars and / or big-paying men? They all sound weak excuses, she misbehaved also from a professional point of view, disappointing a customer who had openly declared and vowed even to the walls that he was back for her and only for her, inspite (and nearly unrespectful) of the many fuckable available girls around! Girls who might appreciate going with me, not only for money but also for fun, many of them, Bella for instance, were there on my first visit, as I said I had become very popular, as a toyboy, LOL! Girls who even heartily, spontaneously, strongly and loudly attacked her, a compatriot, a colleague, probably a friend. Carmen couldn't believe I wanted to go with her, we had been chatting quite a while in my long "spare" time and she had seen me fuming. When I halted her she was astonished and wouldn't move, I literally had to grab her and take her away. In the room she seemed honored, she knew she wasn't supposed to be there with me (obviously not because I'm that great model) , but she didn't ask why I didn't take Sabrina. I had previously declared I wouldn't session anymore with her, but maybe nobody believed me, since I wasn't picking any other girl, anyway Carmen had being witnessing too, so maybe she was also disturbed by the fact of "stealing" (actually I kidnapped her) a customer or possibly concurring in breaking a connection (...).

Anyway, Sabrina gave me 2 extraordinary unforgettable sessions, the first one being less affected by useless feelings like respect, personal involvement, passion, etc, it was just pure violence and fun, only towards the end she melted a bit. The second one was more shared and more participated not only physically, let's call it a "higher level", inspite of her natural wildness. But maybe one of you reading my posts goes there tomorrow and she does the same to him, meaning that it's just the service that she provides to customers and that some weak gullible childish stupid man going there risks to mistake for something more than it is meant to be. Like the man Optimist reported about did. Like the man who is posting all this bullshit (and I apologize for this, I promise to quit Sabrina's topic) could have risked to do if having further sessions with her.
As you said, we are (more than) twice as much older than them, which would put us in a bad light even if they were normal girls. The ones we are talking about are prostitutes,"mine" even AO, a definition that disappointed her when reading that on the forum I showed her, before she had just been glad to read reports of people praising her. So, what would you do with them? What would you expect? Just enjoy and (try to) forget them!

BTW, my previous report should have ended like this:

"In the end of August I'll be by Giessen, some 200km away, so far.
That's all (so far?)"

P. S. : Got the puns? LOL?

Tjohoo
08-06-13, 21:23
Tjohoo,

As you said, we are (more than) twice as much older than them, which would put us in a bad light even if they were normal girls. The ones we are talking about are prostitutes,"mine" even AO, a definition that disappointed her when reading that on the forum I showed her, before she had just been glad to read reports of people praising her. So, what would you do with them? What would you expect? Just enjoy and (try to) forget them!Thank you for taking your time to give me / us such I extensive honest answer.

Well first I don't care if they are prostitutes or not. When it comes to this sort of matters (feelings) we are all equal.

Second. I would (and have) ended up exactely as you did. Because they are "just" prostitutes and we are "just" humans. That said, we are just the same.

T

Myrrh
08-06-13, 22:24
EastGoing,

I like others are grateful for your reports and the time and effort that you clearly put into writing them.

I must admit though to finding them a little heavy going and just a little bit perturbing.

I have been to Arabella before however for me the beauty of the place was definitely the fact that I could achieve the porn star experience (PSE) and NOT the girl friend experience (GFE).

The disposable, zipless, cum dumpster, spunk bucket type of experience. Just like having the most glorious Sunday dinner and ice cream sundae of your life as a child and not worrying about the fact that your mum will be scrubbing the pans whilst you doze off with your thumb in your mouth, deep in the land of nod.

It's like you put the most hard core DVD in the slot and then for half an hour you are fooled into thinking that you can take any attractive young woman that you see in front of you and use them to do more or less anything that you want them to do in that half hour time slot before the video credits come up. That is more pornstar than girl friend.

If I thought (or more accurately was naively hoodwinked into thinking) that they genuinely cared about me then I would run a mile. I don't want to be pondering about what they genuinely thought about me, their mood swings, possible blue periods, possible 'true' feelings or anything else whilst I am on that plane home.

With the number of sausages that these girls turn per week they couldn't possibly have any genuine feelings for anyone and I am just grateful that these mattress actresses are so good at their jobs that they manage to fool me into thinking that they do, at least for the half hour that I am with them.

After that it is a case of "back to reality, here comes gravity" as Eminem would say.

But you found love there, or of sorts? Reminds me of the words from another song (this time by Rihanna) "I found love in a hopeless place?"

EastGoing
08-08-13, 03:25
Ok, sorry for not having Hessen Bub's style and writing too much, but this was the greatest sex holiday I ever had, the lowest point being on the arrival day, reported in Duisburg thread, and maximum being reached on Ara day 1, so I have more enthusiasm in writing about, not knowing if I'll ever have other holidays like this one. Writing about also helps me in reliving it.

I told some friends of mine (one has already booked the flight) that no matter if and what I might have caught, I'm happy of what I did, my only regret being not barebacking all of them and some more, since I even wasted a precious day going to Bochum partytreff and took one day of rest.

In spite of writing extensively, some things seem not to be clear.

To sum up, my appreciation is mainly due, in random order, to:

1) the extraordinary service I've been given, whether personal or available to any customer. I'm sure very most of girlfriends and wives don't even get close to that, don't even think of and not even by thinking about they could provide such sessions, whether mechanical, remote-controlled or shared;

2) doing AO, after more than one year using condoms, which I didn't use for several years, obviously gave me a different pleasure. A little thing more was that I could happily release in pussy, without anxiously having to wait to see if my girlfriend had lied about taking pills or not. Once I even refused to CIM Sabrina, who had just orgasmed. Since I CIM all year long, I didn't want to waste the chance to CIP;

3) the total lack of any worry, doubt, pressure, etc. Instead I had total peace of mind that I wouldn't be cheated about time, performances, upselling, etc. I would have been happy with much less than I got. I was happy in VV with girls physically really nothing special, just fuckable (and uncomparable to the ones I got in Ara) , who gave me quite a good service but much lower than what I got in Ara. In VV they just obeyed commands and suggestions, they put little of their own initiative, while in Ara I was even "imposed" things I didn't even ask or want, none of the girls spared any energy or effort to please and / or abuse me, LOL! Once with Sabrina there has been a moment I thought I couldn't even ask for help if I had wanted to: "against my will", she was riding my dick like mad, while holding my hands down, our fingers intertwined, and wildly DFKing me, I was nailed to the bed and thought we'd break it;

4) the comparison with what I'm used to at home and in "normal" trips, Germany included: don't tell me that the above paragraph happens normally to punters anywhere;

5) the prices, especially the value for money: I reckon that the best spent money of my life, also out of mongering, was in Arabella, and what I got was worth several times more than 30 euros for 30-45mins. Which overpaid escort or Artemis stunner would suddenly assault you from behind to kissmark you? How would you agree that,"wait for me to turn my shoulders to you and catch me by surprise?"LOL! Would it count as an extra?

As to PSE or GFE, I didn't go in those clubs hoping or aiming to one of the 2 versions, I just went for an experience, but since I was held back by the mentioned different habits, inexperience in AO and related fears, I would stick to "minimal" basic actions, main difference with a normal session being just fucking uncovered (if). Only Denisa, Sabrina and a bit Bella drove me off my paths taking me wherever they wanted (thanks so much!). Probably most GFE was Carmen, really sweet and really giving me all of her, all she could, we seemed 2 lovebirds on fire; with Bianca we made a plain porno, I was actor and director of a 20+ years ago bad movie, just blowjob and sex in different positions (thoroughly enjoyed anyway).

As to Sabrina, maybe I exaggerated some expressions or not explained well: I didn't, don't nor I'm going to love her, but I wouldn't have been sorry to meet her again, anywhere, anytime, anyhow. Our second session pleased my body and also my soul (which means I wasn't just having sex, no matter how good), and I'd say she was feeling the same or close to that. I said I was starting having some clues of useless feelings: fuming for her not coming to me and me not feeling in the mood to go with another girl. Obviously I don't have those reactions normally, I didn't mind Gaby not showing interest in me in VV, I didn't resession with worthy Bella, I didn't care of what other girls were doing, so something was clearly going wrong. Further contact would have led to arguments, explainations, reproaches and other unnecessary stuff between a prostitute and a customer, what would have been the point? If I want to get back to her I can do it, but what for? I don't know if she was truly developing feelings for me, or just acting, or trying to catch a fish in the net (which is always my main suspicion when receiving exaggerated good treatment) , but so far better like this. When I left on day 1 I didn't have any particular feeling towards Sabrina, apart from gratitude for contributing to give me the time of my life, the top day of my sexual life. I planned to go back for her and Denise, just the 2 of them. Let's say that if Denise had been at work that day, things would have very likely been different: instead of concentrating on Sabrina, planning more sessions with her and being bewitched by her, I would have had to mind a huge distraction (and destruction) of a nearly-at-level target. As I said Denise is not as good physically, but more than fair anyway, she's really great, playfully wild, excellent performer by all points of view, less rough, less violent, but still she managed to put me upside down, sweetly but mercilessly devastating me with her bright smile on all the time (when her mouth was not engaged on my flesh). When dealing with her I felt like playing (and always "losing") , with the other one more like fighting, apart from final moments, but there wasn't a massive difference, like towards the rest of the (good) girls. If I rate 10 and 11 (out of 10) my sessions with Sabrina, Denise can get minimum 9, I guess a second session could only raise the rating, as did for Sabrina.

But, to be honest, I really don't think my reaction would have been the same if Denise had behaved like Sabrina, really she meant something different.

So, hoping that my next post in this thread will be a field report, which I doubt, possibly from Arabella, possibly about Sabrina (LOL?) , I thank you all for bearing the bullshit I filled this thread with and look forward to reading your reports.

Cheers.

EG

Jimmy Boy 99
08-08-13, 04:32
Is it not possible that she got upset with you because after what you described as a practically transcendent session for both of you, when she may have thought of you as more than just a customer, you made her feel like a working girl (stronger word auto edited out) who was trying to cheat you out of money by not believing her when she told you she wanted to enjoy the moment a little longer and that there would be no extra cost? Would that not explain her harsh words at the reception when you were not asked to pay more, and her subsequent treatment of you?

Optimist
08-08-13, 13:59
Eastgoing. You say "Sabrina, really she meant something different". I think you are right to settle for

That as an explanation. Some things can't easily be explained.

So, hoping that my next post in this thread will be a field report, which I doubt, possibly from Arabella, possibly about Sabrina (LOL?)"

As you have said, you and Sabrina can't get married (!) so going back to Sabrina can only lead to repeating the same problems.

If you were an optimist like me you would foolishly think everything would get sorted out without problems. That just leads to problems. I have twice had working girls get really upset / depressed that I was married. Despite my advanced age.

Thanks again for posting on this difficult issue

Jimmy Boy - maybe it is wise for EG not to foster the illusion that a girl is not a working girl?. I have often reminded girls very bluntly of the business relationship in order to try to break down any undue closeness. Unfortunately it does not work. I suspect Sabrina has her own internal drivers which lead her to behave as she did - rational reasons are often irrelevant. usually it is more a question of their emotional history.

EastGoing
08-08-13, 17:43
Optimist,

I knew my next post in this thread wasn't going to be a field report, thanks for your appreciation, normally I'm not optimist at all and try to stay down-to-earth, often even too much!

JimmyBoy,

That's the most likely explaination. In those nearly 3 hours she actually went to room once or twice, she spent nearly one hour couching with the 140kgs guy and she sat a good 45mins in the garden with other 2-3 girls and 2-3 50+old guys, always totally ignoring me, at times compassionated by her colleagues, directly and among them. Maybe she meant to show me that she could stay as long as she liked with customers. About "enjoying the moment a little longer", we were at about 45 mins, we overenjoyed the time we were allowed with a wide overtime, I just wanted to avoid trouble to me (90 euros more) and to her, fearing she would be told off for excessive allowance and unfair competition towards other girls. Her reassurances were so insisted and so "sure" that probably I just missed a good gift, but, again, if we had stayed longer (or met later) we would have ended up talking about our children, since we were already on bloody topics (to be honest quite welcome and participated by me, actually it must even have been me giving the start) like "why you stayed so little, when are you coming back, when are you on holiday next" and similar, don't make me go deeper in this. The superquick show by reception drew some attention, the very most of spectators probably didn't even had the time to understand what was the problem, but obviously tones, attitudes and facial expressions spoke for themselves, not to mention how she dumped me by there.

Myrrh is right in his points and in his "mile running", in being grateful to these providers who make us feel that good, also Dreams had underlined the advantages of these clubs, and probably synthesized better a good part of my previous report. About sausages, I would say that there must be a minimum of minding about what they are attached to. Also we, as mongers, mind what is around the pussy. Both cathegories represent professionists. I may be a dreaming child, but I'll never believe that the 140kgs guy got my same treatment in the same way. Words can lie, eyes can lie, but she genuinely got wetter and wetter until releasing with me, inspite of the tens of sausages she cooks weekly, she must have felt something, maybe she's not that worn out yet. I reckon that pussy and dick can't lie, my willy wouldn't care nor want any other girl in the hours she ignored me, only when she came back to me He felt ready to bang another one.

Tjohoo, you remember these words: "Never ever hunt after girls in clubs, just go with the flow", I wanted to post in Bochum partytreff thread my visit, but I'm absorbed by this one. I've read this great sentence of yours. It seems to me that you want to "defend","believe" and "justify" her, you are right that we are all humans, but we don't know if and how sincere she was, and "unfortunately" it wouldn't make any difference. As Optimist understood, anyway we wouldn't end up getting married, so maybe we are keeping pointlessly alive this soap-opera, which might even be an inflated misunderstanding, a stupid illusion, a missed fishing, an exaggerated imagination's fruit, etc.

Suggestion: why one of you, or any lurker, doesn't go there and session with her and REPORT. By now she'll have handled a good hundred of sausages, at the moment of writing she might be swallowing a 80 years old customer load or being creampied by a 200kgs guy. After all, here there is being a great advertisement, go and tell her how you found about her, show her the reports as I did with the other forum, she doesn't know my nickname but I'm quite sure that not only her, but also other girls will remember that afternoon and that melodrama.

Inspite of the hundreds of sausages, raw or not.

Looking forward to reading your FIELD REPORTS, I obviously read willingly any.

EG

Optimist
08-09-13, 12:04
Apologies. My last post was wrecked by the automatic grammar (mis) correction tool of this forum.

EG. Maybe I'll try Sabrina next time as you suggest

Myrrh
08-09-13, 13:59
In terms of what I've gleaned (from the 25% increase to the thread volume in the last few days alone) :

Lesson 1

You cannot rely on past reports with respect to the optical quality of the women at these AO clubs in NRW and elsewhere. YMMV (Your mileage may vary). So one man's tender loins may well be another man's mutton rough cuts.

Also, the girls tend to come and go with new girls joining frequently and leaving just as quickly. Some may move between clubs and back again even in the same week. Trends in better looking women residing at one club can quickly go into reverse.

So it may be best to do what Dreams suggest and choose some clubs that are relatively close to each other so that you can cut and run if there is a bad lineup at a particular club on a given day. Rather than find that you are stuck with a bad lot because the nearest other venue is half a day's commuting time away. Don't end up ruining your day.

Lesson 2

Surprisingly there may be some (fake) GFE to be had in these bargain basement 'spunk and go' places even though these girls are supposed to be the lowest of the low, bottom feeders in the food chain, who have little choice other than to allow their bodies to be inseminated for 2 to 3 ten euro notes a time.

The GFE works for the girls as well as the guys. These girls lead incredibly boring lives been cooped up inside the gloomy four walls all day. A spot of melodrama breaks up the monotony.

Also the more tricks these girls turn then the more money they make. Ergo, if they can get repeat business from the same guy then it is worth angling for and probably a little less soul destroying than watching a continually revolving door of point and squirt cum dumpsters.

Women have to rely on emotional mind games because they can't control men physically. So make men feel guilty works. This doesn't change just because they have become ho's.

If they can keep guys dangling on the end of their dicks then that means they are free to go off and turn some bigger sausages on the griddle before returning. Using your dick like some sort of joystick, controlling you like a computer game.

The term 'Money no. 1' translates for ho's in any language.

You should work by your own mantra. Try,

'Fuck and Forget'

'You can never miss the girl, you will only lose your turn'.

Wasn't it Mike Tyson who once said 'I'll fuck you till you love me, bi@tch'? Well you are likely to run out of money long before that happens.


she played me like a muppetHa, ha. It was worth wading through all of the recent gumph just for that one comment alone.

Tjohoo
08-09-13, 14:37
Tjohoo.

It seems to me that you want to "defend","believe" and "justify" her, you are right that we are all humans, but we don't know if and how sincere she was, and "unfortunately" it wouldn't make any difference. As Optimist understood, anyway we wouldn't end up getting married, so maybe we are keeping pointlessly alive this soap-opera, which might even be an inflated misunderstanding, a stupid illusion, a missed fishing, an exaggerated imagination's fruit, etc.Hello East Going!

No I don't want to justify that type of behavior. But when we meet a teenager in a club we can't expect them to react, or act, in any other way then other teenagers do. So what I am trying to say to you is, don't read to much into her behavior and therefore don't judge her to hard.

It's easier said then done. I know!

T

EastGoing
08-09-13, 18:52
Today I bothered to google translate the reports from the other forum (which I think I'm not allowed to mention) that I had shown her, yes, unbelievable and stupid, but I never did. Since none of the about 330 000 members of this board could go there and / or bother to report in these days, I genially decided to see what those posters were saying.

Well, apart from kissmarking intentions with a very little result and some nice talks about possible further meetings, the rest of the service I got seems not to be anything too personal, being available to other 2 punters (out of 2 posters) just on the day after our 2nd meeting, inspite of declarations like "I can refuse customers" or "I don't / didn't do this with others", which anyway, being an AO provider, doesn't exclude those many things. I copy and paste some highlights with a good or reasonable translation:

Punter 1 :

"This time she enjoyed it thoroughly, but wanted to turn away before she came. But since I had her legs nice to the touch and that she could not she let herself go completely and was shaking all over my body as she came. Then even more extensively missionary and doggy style. From behind, it holds great contrast and circling her pelvis, so that what was going on had to come deep inside her. And then, surprise, no clean quickly and cuddle from the shower but only once and relax. Has the go out of the room actually still thanks for the leak."

Punter 2:

"We have spoiled us as a couple in love with each other and had a very nice time. An important evaluation factor for me is always when there were "perceived" two hours. By Sabrina there were no announcements that now is the end, we still snuggled up nice after a great final and are just slowly back to reality";

"This little bunny has just unpacked everything on the sofa, knelt between my legs and blown, as there would be no tomorrow. The eye contact is great. You sink while she blows, literally in her jet-black eyes" then "The Second fairness bonus they receive for their honesty in advance. She said: In the room no fingers in the pussy and no anal. If that's ok, we go off if you do not agree, then you're free now, no problems."

Ok, we discussed and she showed me some "personal matters" of her, but at this point I wouldn't be surprised to know that other punters got personal contacts etc.

I apologize again for filling the thread with bullshit out of stupid behaviours of a childish 42 years old monger and a moody 19 years old AO provider. As already said, not only by me, this establishment provides great service, that added to being AO possible may cause misunderstandings or exaggerations in perceiving what you are given, especially when comparing to "normal" sessions, where you are not given that great service and you play covered. And bearing in mind that most of girlfriends and wives don't even get close to what we can get in these clubs, at least as far as I know from personal experience (apart from one) and discuss about with people I know, females included! For me, AO and DFK happened with girlfriends, not with providers (not because I'm too romantic but because of diseases fears and disgust towards probable sperm leftovers not mine).

There are a couple of guys in Artemis thread facing "doubts" like me, actually at more "advanced" stages, and the other posters are discouraging them from getting involved into troubles.

Tjohoo, whatever happens, the mistake is always of the man, to be blamed even more for falling (or risking to) after a teenie, in my case an AO at less than 1 euro / minute provider.

Myrrh, you can't imagine how much I appreciate (and share) what you express in your posts, and not just your recent ones about the ongoing soap opera built on clouds. You greatly point out facts, plain real bare truth, maybe with some cynicism, but always undisputable right things, concepts and facts. Normally I'm like you, I share and at times even preach all you say, but sometimes one gets involved (and / or fooled) by some inexplicable stupid pointless things and gets lost inspite of evidence or evident impossibility to get or change or get along with certain hopeless irresolvable matters.

In the specific case, what was out of place was the quality, not the service, of the girls. Those prices and services might make sense with the unfuckable, some really utterly unfuckable, providers I saw in VV. Angelique's chicks cost more, but are much better than VV. But those I saw, and especially those I sessioned with, in Arabella, are there inexplicably, they could absolutely stand in a "normal" FKK, even a high level one, especially my bloody "honey".

As I said in my first post, I couldn't believe my eyes when I wandered around, I was expecting the same or less than VV, instead I was in trouble in choosing! Ok, no real stunners but worth much much more than what is charged. They are not at all "the lowest of the low", nor "the bottom of the food chain", I've seen muuuuch worse in my career. I don't know if and what lays behind them, which desperation, drug addiction, blackmails, diseases, extortions, but those girls shouldn't even walk by there! The mentioned Gaby has a husband and a small child! She's reasonably pretty and surely fuckable, why she does AO, and for that price? Sabrina asked me if I knew that AO is a dangerous practice, I was astonished! I asked why she did it if she knew that, she answered she's alone and she can do what she wants, she just doesn't care! A fucking great beautiful superb 19 years old smart intelligent girl capable of speaking well (mine pratically perfectly) at least 3 other languages (read in the other forum) on top of her own!

Guys, by now I must have lost some reputation and credibility, but believe me, I'm very picky, which is why I pay. I'd never be happy with an average or less than average girl, unless circumstances really force me. In VV I couldn't fuck Alice, a tall slim girl with an ok (if not pretty) face, because of her falling drained boobs, I could have fucked her from behind not to see them, but still I didn't feel like, that's why I normally get much more oral sex than intercourses. I saw some 15 girls in Arabella, chose 4 among the best looking ones but could have still chosen others, and not among the "less worse" as I did in VV.

I'm trying to add the pics of Carmen to my post, if I succeed, given my impairment with computer stuff, I'll be proud! I got them from that other forum with reports of VV, where she obviously worked before, like Sabrina and probably other ones, therefore justifying the changes of likings in reports. In the same way, pics of last year show that many girls from Arabella moved to VV, like Bianca.

If you can see the pics, be informed that Carmen was the less fuckable of the 4, and not by little, and that she was at level with other ones.

Jimmy Boy 99
08-10-13, 04:29
Jimmy Boy - maybe it is wise for EG not to foster the illusion that a girl is not a working girl?. I have often reminded girls very bluntly of the business relationship in order to try to break down any undue closeness. Unfortunately it does not work. I suspect Sabrina has her own internal drivers which lead her to behave as she did - rational reasons are often irrelevant. usually it is more a question of their emotional history.I don't disagree, as I almost always tell the girl, smilingly, especially the first time I am with her, that it's just business, usually in the context of me telling her not to do fake moans as that will not make me come any faster but rather have the opposite effect. It was, perhaps, though an inopportune time, place, and manner for EastGoing to do it.

Myrrh
08-10-13, 09:11
Today I bothered to google translate the reports from the other forum (which I think I'm not allowed to mention) that I had shown her, yes, unbelievable and stupid, but I never did. Since none of the about 330 000 members of this board could go there and / or bother to report in these days, I genially decided to see what those posters were saying.Well there may well have been several recent reports which you may not have come across because reports about Arabella are spread across many different sub-forums.

There are several reports in:

'Bareback AO (Alles Ohne). Flat Rate Clubs, Parties and Events' in 'Germany. AO Clubs'

'Bochum' in 'Germany' thread (because Arabella happens to be in Bochum)

Also of course reports in this thread, 'Fkk Arabella / Villa Venus / Sauna Grimberg. NRW AO Clubs' in 'Germany-FKK clubs'

Then of course there is:

'Red-Carpet Clubs' in 'Germany-FKK' clubs (because Arabella is a member of that unique small group of clubs that are known as red carpet clubs as the clubs essentially have red carpets inside (doh!). Although there some other aspects like these clubs are considered to provide 'traditional' standards of service).

[Jackson: Just one more type of club to add to your growing list which already includes partytreff, FKK, sauna, pauschal, brothel, etc. ]

And probably some reports in 'other FKK clubs' in 'Germany-FKK clubs' because Arabella is an FKK club which does not have it's own individual thread like many other FKK's.

I know, it's a mess! And I despair.

BTW, here's a link to my own report of about a year ago which I stuck in the 'Bareback-AO- (Alles-Ohne). Flat-Rate-Clubs-Parties-and-Events'

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3215-Bareback-AO-(Alles-Ohne).Flat-Rate-Clubs-Parties-and-Events&p=1334787&viewfull=1#post1334787

Hessen Bub
08-10-13, 09:40
[Jackson: Just one more type of club to add to your growing list which already includes partytreff, FKK, sauna, pauschal, brothel, etc. ]No! Red carpet clubs are just regular FKK clubs. Some with BB openly advertised, others without. No need for another useless category.

HB

SwingerLover
08-12-13, 15:47
Hello, EG! I just had gotten around to finally read the reports about your last trip. Keep up the good work!


Today I bothered to google translate the reports from the other forum (which I think I'm not allowed to mention)I received a message from Jackson on this matter a while back: You are not allowed to post links to other fora or blogs which are in ENGLISH! If it's in another language, which your use of Google translate suggests, then it's no problem.

EastGoing
08-13-13, 02:29
Hello, EG! I just had gotten around to finally read the reports about your last trip. Keep up the good work!

I received a message from Jackson on this matter a while back: You are not allowed to post links to other fora or blogs which are in ENGLISH! If it's in another language, which your use of Google translate suggests, then it's no problem.Thanks for the patience and for the appreciation, to you and to the other fellas. Next month I'm planning to go back in NRW, the culprit always returns to the crime scene!

The forum was www.freiercafe.com (or de?). Thanks for explaining about Jackson's answer. I recently had asked in Oase thread to HB about posting other forums names because he had mentioned a few, he had answered with "IMHO" when saying that foreign forums can be mentioned. The site couldn't afford to lose other top members after Angus Magee!

SwingerLover
08-13-13, 11:28
The site couldn't afford to lose other top members after Angus Magee!The problem with Angus was that his site IS in english!

EastGoing
08-13-13, 12:10
The problem with Angus was that his site IS in english!I know. The joke was that the the forum simply couldn't afford to lose another top member, regardless of the reason. And that was supposed to be me (not HB or you or others). :-)

Jymondor
08-13-13, 22:06
It is different each my visit. Now they retorned to their old scheme and you have to choose upfront:

1 session = 60€

2 sessions = 90€

3 sessions = 110€

If you pay 90€ for two sessions third session will cost 60€.

BTW lineup was worse than my last visit in June. Did two sessions and left. First room with very new Bulgarian girl. Absolutely no neither German nor English. Most of Bulgarian girls understand basic words in Russian, so I can communicate. This one didn't even try to understand. But very nice young body. Zero skills in the room, so I used her as a inflatable doll. Second session with Bianca as good as usually.

Myrrh
08-13-13, 22:24
BTW lineup was worse than my last visit in June. Did two sessions and left. First room with very new Bulgarian girl. Absolutely no neither German nor English. Most of Bulgarian girls understand basic words in Russian, so I can communicate. This one didn't even try to understand. But very nice young body. Zero skills in the room, so I used her as a inflatable doll. Second session with Bianca as good as usually.Which club. VV, Arabella or Grimberg?

I am guessing VV?

Jymondor
08-13-13, 23:33
Which club. VV, Arabella or Grimberg?

I am guessing VV?Sorry. Villa Venus of course.

SwingerLover
08-14-13, 11:24
Which club. VV, Arabella or Grimberg?Maybe it's time to get seperate threads on those 3 clubs in the AO-Clubs forum, in order to avoid further mix-ups?

Myrrh
08-20-13, 00:29
Friday 16 August, Villa Venus

Flight / Accommodation

After flying into Dusseldorf airport I made sure to check into my hotel rather than follow my dick and head straight to Villa Venus (learning from a previous trip where I had come back from a partytreff event at 9pm only to find the reception desk closed and I had to spend the night sleeping in an armchair in the reception area).

I had used some BA air miles and so the flight in only cost me 17 gbp (this was the payment for the airline tax). I also used some points from a large 4 star hotel chain (Park Inn) and stayed at their hotel in Dusseldorf Reisholz for free. So a pretty low cost start to my trip.

Unfortunately by the time I had travelled out to this hotel which was a bit off from the centre of Dusseldorf by train / bus from the airport, checked in, messed around in the hotel and then travelled to VIlla Venus it was around 6pm in the evening.

Getting to Villa Venus

Now from reading previous reports I had always believed that this place was in Duisburg and therefore that Duisburg was the closest train station. Not so as the nearest train station was in fact Oberhausen. So you had to go from Dusseldorf, through Duisburg and then on to Oberhausen train station.

I couldn't work out if there was a tram that went anywhere near the club so I thought that I had no alternative but to take a taxi from Oberhausen station to the club which cost 12 euros.

Villa Venus is really a car spare parts shopping outlet?

There was slight cause for concern when the taxi driver dropped me off at the address:

Konrad-adenauer-ring 17, Neumuhl, Duisburg.

It was a place called something like getränke arena.

http://getraenkearena.de/index.php/10230.html

And it looked like it was a supermarket specializing in selling car spare parts. It was only when I was halfway up to the entrance that I did a double take and ran back to the taxi driver in near panic as I saw someone coming out of the place with a shopping trolley overloaded with what I believe was car exhausts and other bits. The taxi driver insisted it was the right place and pointed to the number 17 clearly painted on the wall of the building. I got the driver to wait, as I didn't want to be stranded with no way of calling another taxi, whilst I asked somebody in the supermarket if the taxi driver had got the address wrong.

When I mentioned the name Villa Venus a woman shop assistant rolled her eyes and gave a knowing look to her colleague. It turned out that Villa Venus was next door but shared the exact same street address as this getränke arena place. WTF?

[Actually when I looked up this getränke place on the internet it was actually a beverages wholesaler. It just looked Like a car spare parts supermarket from the outside]

Villa Venus entrance

There was no sign saying Villa Venus but when I say these iron gates and some sort of small legal sign saying something like this was a private club, etc. Then I knew that I had come to the right place.

After pressing the bell I was buzzed through the gates and then a naked girl came to the door and waved me in. She took me as far as the reception desk and then disappeared. The receptionist or 'theke' as she was referred to was a fully dressed woman in her late 20's and spoke next to no English. She just pointed to a sign on the reception desk which said something in German like 30 euros entry and 30 euros per girl.

She became a little anxious as she thought that I had misunderstood the situation and thought that I could only pay 30 euros entry and no more whereas you had to pre-pay for at least one girl. But when I produced 60 euros she relaxed and gave me the wrist band with my locker key and a little slip of paper to put inside the little holder on the wristband to record which girls I took during the visit.

Villa Venus layout

It is a medium sized club. Large enough thoughfor someone to hang out in for a few hours without feeling too bored or claustrophobic.

As you come in there are some steps leading upstairs where the bed rooms are and some steps leading downstairs to the wet area / locker room.

The locker room was spacious. With about 50 full sized lockers. The shower room was a decent size with 3 power shower heads plus another shower head for just cold water. The laundry room with dryer continually turning towels was also further along down here. You got given your two towels at reception and picked up your plastic flip flops from the shelves downstairs. I think there might have been a sauna down there as well but of course no one comes for the sauna at these places do they?

Upstairs there was the reception desk / bar which had the photos of most of the girls who were working that day along with their names and description written on them of what they did. They also had some safety deposit boxes for leaving your money in rather than the lockers.

This reception desk / bar was in the lounge area and there were several couches large enough to seat two or three persons arranged 'cinema style' facing towards the reception desk. There were low arches either side of the lounge area with a few more settees inside two smaller side areas as well.

The lounge area was quite spacious and there was one TV screen playing run-of-the-mill porn. Leading off from the lounge area was one gent's toilet room with one toilet inside. Then there was a small room with tables laid restaurant style which I am guessing given the nature of the place is never ever used.

There was also an outside back yard with a handful of sun loungers and a swing which could seat two people side by side.

Smoking ban? What smoking ban?

You would never have realised that there was a smoking ban given the number of girls who frequently smoked inside the lounge right the way through the day even though there was an outside area where they could do this.

The food and drink

Apart from some biscuits in a tray next to a machine which dispensed colas / sprite / water there was absolutely nothing to eat or drink in the club.

The girls.

There were about 10-12 girls on duty with about 8 photos on display. Most of the photos had the same description in German. Something like 'I do everything, except anal'. But there were three which said something like I do everything. Surprise, surprise two of these girls who said that they did everything were the ugliest and fattest women in the club, LOL.

The girls were all naked except that they all wore a chain around their hips. This is sort of sexy but when you realise that all of the girls are wearing it then it becomes more like some sort of 'uniform'.

Of the 12 about half were significantly overweight with unattractive faces. I have listed below the names of only those who were plain to reasonably attractive with fairly in shape bodies as I am sure no one would be really interested in the others.

Magda

A plain looking girl with a longish nose and long hair. Body was slim and reasonably nicely proportioned however certainly not a knockout.

Maya

A plain ordinary girl with a beakish nose and similar body type to Magda.

Dana

A small girl with a waif like body which I found arousing but was spoiled by her droopy tits. In fact most of these girls had droopy tits as if the life had been sucked out of them. Probably a reflection of the fact that they went around all day without a bra on. Dana's face was kind of cute looking except it had the look of someone who has had a hard life and her eyes were constantly restless and nervous. She chain smoked incessantly.

Bianca

This girl has been mentioned once or twice on this board. I saw her photo and mistook her for Dana as they both had a similar body type. Small girls and what you would call spinners. A girl so small that you could easily spin her around on your cock during sex if she was riding you cowgirl. She also had a fairly cute looking face and was probably in her early 20's unlike most of the other girls who were probably in mid to late twenties.

Aida

A tall Bulgarian woman in her late 20's with dyed blond hair. She was the only girl who did 'everything' but who also happened to be reasonably attractive. However she had the body more like a tennis player, fairly well built, rather than a sexy body.

Jenny

Perhaps the best looking girl there. She was on the small size but had a pretty, cute face and had her hair up in an interesting hair style with blonde / brown tints. Rather than the rest of the girls who tended to have the simple long, black hair down to their backs style. She also had some tattoos above her breast and on her stomach which made her look a little sluttish. She was similar age to Bianca.

The look of love

As the seating was arranged cinema style and I was sat at the back of the lounge I was looking at the backs of the girl's heads most of the time as they sat on their couches. Some of them would occasionally turn round, catch my eye over the back of their chairs and then fix me with a longing, searching look as if they had seen something really interesting that they desperately wanted. It was a very rehearsed behaviour but still a little flattering to have women staring at you as you don't get this in normal life, even if not all of these women were attractive.

The mating call

It seemed that the girls had been instructed to follow some specific rules of engagement. Apart from looking at them there is no hassling of the guys and you don't sit next to a guy unless you were clearly invited. Similarly if a guy comes and sits next to you on your couch then it is 'game on'. You can assume that the deal is effectively done. There seemed to be some sort of unwritten rule that a guy does not sit next to a girl unless he wants to go all the way.

So I witnessed that as soon as guys sat down next to a girl the girl would start caressing him, hugging him and then making out like they were teenagers in the back row of a cinema, sloppy kissing and exploring the inside of his mouth with their tongues. Then occasionally a girl's head would go down and because of the poor arrangement of the seating, if you were sat at the back of the lounge like me, then all you could see were the girl's heads bobbing up and down for a few minutes in the guy's lap.

Then after no more than 5 minutes the girl's heads would come up, they would make a gesture to the guy and the guy and girl would head to the room.

The cut above

There were a couple of girls who seemingly thought that they were a cut above the rest of the girls and did not spend their time tamely sitting on their couch actively look around trying to catch the eye of a guy. Not surprisingly these were the two cuter and younger girls mentioned.

Bianca : Never sat in the main part of the lounge but would be often seen flitting back and forth between what seemed to be regular customers in one of the smaller side areas of the lounge. She also seemed to have her mobile phone perpetually displayed in her hand whilst he laughed and joked around with two or three customers. This kind of put me off her and I was more interested in Jenny.

Jenny : Sat in one of the couches towards the side of the lounge near the entrance and did not seem to be actively looking for customers either.

However despite this these two girls would regularly get taken to the rooms by the customers.

I was interested in taking Jenny but decided to study her 'form' first before making a decision. I noticed one guy who approached her and she sort of gave a gesture of 'why not' rather than looking pleased that she had been chosen like the other girls did. Whilst the other girls would be all over their guy like a wet blanket, Jenny would just be meekly patting the shoulders of her customer. She would allow the guy to try and kiss her but would keep her mouth closed so no tongues. She never moved in too close either. Then she suddenly realised that I was looking at her from the far side of the room and started looking at me for some of the time, and to see if anyone else was watching her, rather than the guy she was with. I decided there and then that she probably would not provide a particularly enthusiastic experience in the room.

[Next up, I come to a decision as to which of these girls (if any) to session with]

Myrrh
08-20-13, 01:27
Visit to Villa Venus, Part 2 - My session at Villa Venus

Whilst I was still deciding on a girl who would be suitable I got talking to a Turkish guy who had already had three sessions and was winding down before going home. I pointed out Bianca and Dana as two of the girls whose body type appealed to me and he scoffed saying that they 'should go eat'. It turned out that we were the polar opposite in terms of what we wanted. So that is probably the reason why these overweight girls survive in these clubs as there is a significant Turkish clientele who like girls with a bit of meat on their bones.

Apart from Dana I wasn't sure which other girl I would take so I went outside to sit in the back yard.

Some of the girls later came out and whilst they were outside they religiously wore towels round them even though it was warm outside and no one could see them from the road.

Maya and Dana were sitting on the two person swing and Maya joked to me that Dana wanted to see what I had under my towel whilst I was reclining on a sun lounger nearby. It turned out that Maya could speak quite good English. All the girls then went back inside at this point but Maya hung back and then patted the area on the swing next to her and asked me to join her.

She was plain looking with a bit of a beakish nose but I thought it would be nice to have a conversation in English rather than just using hand gestures and pidgeon English to try and get myself understood as I had been doing all day.

What I didn't realise was that the 'if you sit at my couch means you have effectively said yes' rule applied outside as well as inside the club building because Maya's hands immediately went under my towel and began to murmur approvingly when she saw that I was getting aroused. My arousal was due more to the fact that I had not seen any action all day (and in the days before coming to Germany) more than anything else. However as this action was happening outdoors made it more of a turn on for me.

Quick as a flash Maya dropped to her knees and started giving me a blow job. Then she stuck her tongue out and rolled my dick back and forth teasingly against it whilst staring into my eyes. It was still broad daylight and so I could see everything. I was now rock hard. Seeing this she immediately broke off the blow job and insisted we went to the room.

I mentioned that I was interested in Dana and she quickly suggested why not have two girls which was something which had crossed my mind also. I said that she should get Dana whilst I waited outside. Basically this was a ploy because I wanted to continue the outdoor action but this time with two girls. However Maya was insistent that I followed her. We found Dana just inside the door and started to head for the room but at this point my towel slipped off revealing that my dick still in pole position. I hastily tried to cover myself but the girls laughed and said not to worry.

Inside the room I suggested that the blow jobs continued and I wanted both girls to go down on me at once. Dana took care of the business end whilst Maya headed down to my balls. I raised my hips as Maya went down further but unfortunately no rimming was going to happen as Maya switched to using her finger down there when she saw me raise my bum.

The girls came up for air and Maya decided to move in for a kiss. Too late I remembered that I could see that she had severely blackened teeth when we were sitting outside no doubt due to excessive smoking. In fact it was like a fire had taken hold in her mouth and they had found her charred teeth to use for identification purposes.

I managed to keep my mouth closed but then Dana came up to follow suit and I knew worse was to come as I had watched her chain smoking throughout the two to three hours that I was in the club. Well it was like kissing an ashtray and the smell of stale tobacco wafted down my throat.

Now it was time for the ficken. I wanted to start with Maya and then finish off with Dana. As Dana was a little spinner I envisaged that she would be the tighter of the two. However Maya had other ideas and said no, I should fuck Dana first. WTF. But I didn't want to waste time arguing. Dana got up to get on top of me but before she pushed me inside she spat on her hand and rubbed it on her pussy. Nasty! Now I love a girl who uses some natural lubrication rather than the man-made gels to get herself in the mood.

But then she spat in her hands and rubbed herself again and again, around seven or eight times in total. This sent a different message, that she was really dry down there and the thought of fucking me wasn't exactly turning her on? Not finished with that she then turned her attentions to my dick and now spat on that several times. In the end I was relieved when she finally decided that she was ready.

Despite all that she was unbelievably tight but after a while I got used to the firm grip. Soon I was enjoying the sight of a waif like girl riding on the end of my bare knob. I had managed to stay away from wanking for a week and it was my first bareback sex for weeks so not surprisingly I was on the verge of coming after less than 5 minutes of fucking. I waited until I had creamed pretty much all of the inside of her pussy before letting out a sound to show that I had cum.

Dana seemed surprised that I had come so quickly then started questioning whether I had really come or was just pretending to. I suppose she would find out when she went to wash her tight pussy in the bathroom.

Then Maya said 'you can't have come yet, I want you to fuck me' and put on her face as if she was really disappointed that she would not be getting a good seeing to herself now. Yeah right!

The girls then said that I should go douche. After a quick shower I went outside and saw that Dana and Maya were sitting outside and were chatting to a couple of other girls. When I walked out they sort of looked over their shoulder and gave each other little girly giggles. They were probably discussing my flash in the pan performance.

I decided to settle into a sun lounger to rest a bit when I saw that a customer had motioned to Dana and she was now scurrying to her feet to run after him. She probably hadn't had time to even shower and so was therefore joining this guy whilst she still had my warm congealing spunk inside her. Enjoy!

Verdict

Would I be back? Most likely not.

The structure, size and layout of the club is fine. Also the pricing of 30 euros per entry and for each girl is the best prices you can get for a club of this type. However the place is about a 12 euro cab ride from the nearest station and that adds another 25 euros on to the total cost.

At least half of the dozen girls were complete and total write offs looks wise. No question about that and that is too high a ratio when you consider that of the remaining 6 only 2 or 3 are going to be reasonably attractive with the other 3 plain looking. Those more attractive girls are inevitably going to be in high demand given they are in the minority and most likely will develop attitude problems when they find that they are in much greater demand than their uglier sisters.

If you are looking for girls who are both good looking and have a reasonably good attitude then there won't be much choice.

Some say that trends change and that the good looking girls will switch back and forth between clubs over time as many of these clubs have similar management. However if I find that half the girls in a club are unacceptable on one visit then I am not taking that chance that it will be different when I turn up next time.

At least for now Villa Venus is the sort of place where you are more likely to find girls who look like Venus (Williams) the tennis player rather than finding your Venus the goddess of love.

ThomasNorway
08-20-13, 18:10
Optimist,

Suggestion: why one of you, or any lurker, doesn't go there and session with her and REPORT. By now she'll have handled a good hundred of sausages, at the moment of writing she might be swallowing a 80 years old customer load or being creampied by a 200kgs guy. After all, here there is being a great advertisement, go and tell her how you found about her, show her the reports as I did with the other forum, she doesn't know my nickname but I'm quite sure that not only her, but also other girls will remember that afternoon and that melodrama.

EGBefore I start I would like to state that I never get within 10 feet of any drama of any kind.

That being said, I dropped by Arabella today as a result of a recommendation. The first thing that occurred to me was how cramped the place felt. It's no smaller than the other clubs I've been to, but still felt a little smaller. No good explanation for it. Just a feeling. The Thekefrau spoke basic English, and had a girl show me around the place; none other than Sabrina. I remembered her name from the forum.

After a change and a shower, I walked the couch-area for all of 90 seconds and had by then seen everyone and everything. Not wanting to head straight for a room, I got myself a drink (sodas and coffee available) and sat in the outside area for a bit. Had a brief chat with a German gentleman who volunteered that "the girl with the short hair gives good service", referring to Sabrina.

What's a poor guy to do, other than what he's told? After a short wait, I went to Sabrina and sat next to her. Her English is passable and we could lead a simple conversation without difficulty. After asking for permission she took the liberty of checking the size of my gentleman's sausage and seemed pleased by what she found. She confessed to being worried about me being to big. Not certain how to take that, but I guess my needle has served me well so far. We chatted a bit more before she gave me a BBBJ on the couch (which was good) and then asked me to go to a room. Session in the room was good. Nothing spectacular or earthshaking. She has a gorgeous body, just my taste, and a nice and playful personality. The only thing missing was a bit more of a spark, but that might well be on me as I wasn't really "feeling it" to begin with.

Afterwards I stuck around for a brief while, but decided that I'd rather leave and come back some time when I'm more in the mood. Would I session again with Sabrina? Certainly. Did my experience match EG's? Certainly not.

Myrrh
08-20-13, 22:52
fkk verena – saturday 17th august 2013

i have posted this report under this thread because verena is an ao club in or near nrw and there is no other logical place to post it. for example it is not a flat rate ao gangbang and party club and posting it in the regular fkk section would mean it would be out of place as verena is a dedicated ao club and most fkk's are not.

where to go?

on day two of my three day weekend trip i had made a preliminary choice between visiting grimberg sauna in gelsenkirchen or fkk verena. i had ruled out clubs la luna and angelique on cost. these last two clubs charged something like €30 to get in, €50 for a session and €30 more if you wanted ao. whereas red carpet clubs like grimberg and arabella were charging just €30 for a session and that included ao and anything else that the girl wanted to throw in for no extra charge whatsoever. so you could get 2 ao girls for the price that la luna or angelique were charging for 1 and still have €20 spare.

i eventually ruled out grimberg because from the map it did not seem to be anywhere near a train station. whereas fkk verena seemed 5 minutes walk from a u-bahn station. additionally not much was known about fkk verena so i was keen to find out about this place. it was supposed to be a 'new' club but was really an old club, fkk belami, which had been given a new name.

i decided that it was worthwhile investigating if only for reporting purposes.

getting to fkk verena

fkk verena was in dortmund which was less than half an hour and a direct connection by train from where i was staying in bochum.

when i got to dortmund train station i switched to the u-bahn (number 45 for one stop and then 44) to get to the nearest stop (dortmund marten-sud) which was 5-10 minutes walk from the club.

kressenweg 6, 44379, dortmund.

fkk verena entrance

fkk verena was surrounded by warehouses but when i got close i could hear loud romanian music coming from the building so i knew that i had reached the right place. the gates had a bell with the words 'belamie' on it so they hadn't bothered to change the old name.

i was buzzed through the gates when i rang the bell and as soon as i entered the club i knew that i had made a mistake. the place was shabby, cheap and old. then i REP019red past the reception desk to get my first glimpses of the girls and the 6 or so that i viewed looked really dumpy, unglamorous and downright unattractive.

the lady at reception could speak no english but just pointed to a sign on the desk which said.

1x50.

2x90.

3x120.

i should have done a 180

my brain said that i should just make my excuses and leave (do a 180 degree turn and walk back out) because if i had glimpsed 6 or 7 girls and none of them were attractive then this was probably representative of the rest of the girls in the club.

but then my heart said that i had travelled all this way and it would be a shame to have come all this way and then not go in. there might be one or two attractive girls inside and that was all that i would need to have a satisfactory eveing. plus what is the point of being a member of a forum if you are not prepared to make sacrifices even if means that you have to occasionally 'take one for the team'.

there was no question that the 1x50 option was the only option of the three under the circumstances.

the layout

having paid and collected my locker key and towels i walked through to the locker room area which was on the same ground floor. this allowed me to scan the whole of the lounge to confirm that all of the girls that i could see were ugly and unattractive.

the changing area was a bit shabby and there were the usual plastic flip flops and full sized lockers. there were only about 20-30 lockers so this was not a very popular club. the shower area also looked a bit grimy.

the girls

i then walked into the lounge area where all of the girls were seated naked (except for chains around their hips) on tatty couches arranged against the walls. i dragged my feet as i trudged despondently past the gauntlet of ugly women and found a spare couch near the end.

i looked up to see this woman staring at me expectantly and when she smiled i could see that she had a tooth missing.

i looked at each woman carefully and it was amazing to see that all of them almost without exception had potbellies plus droopy tits. it would take the will power of an olympic super athlete to try and summon up any lust for this lot.

not a single one of them was attractive!

i decided that as i was here and to save me staring at these ugly women that i should do the tour of the place anyway.

at reception there were the 'biscuit tin' and the drinks dispenser giving cola / water / sprite plus the coffee machine. they had the photos of the girls at reception and most if not all of them did ao but not anal with perhaps 2 or 3 offering anal. one photo description just said something like i am 'nesselmung' which made no sense to me at all. but i was not interested anyway.

there was also an outside area which was quite a pleasant surprise. it was well kept with plants and flowers and comfortable chairs to relax in and even an outside shower. i was tempted to stay out there but eventually decided to go back and face the ugly women.

the website

http://www.fkk-verena.com/

the website has some photos of truly stunning women but it was obvious that these were not the women that would be found there and just glamour shots posted from elsewhere.

so that is a good rule of thumb. if a club does not show a single photo of a woman who is supposed to be there then avoid that place like the plague.

i 'redeem' my 50 euros

back inside it struck me that if i walked away now then i would have paid 50 euros for nothing and that 50 euros included a service to be provided by one of the girls even if it was just a blow job.

i looked around long and hard and eventually i settled on this girl called dilara who had been clowning and goofing around and sometimes dancing in a wacky fashion to the romanian gypsy music which played continuously.

that is another sign as to how popular a club is. if club plays romanian type music all the time then it is a place that probably gets few customers and so the women have to entertain themselves with their own type of music. at villa venus and arabella western dance music was played.

this dilara woman looked a bit of an odd ball and had been joking around wearing these fake spectacles but i saw that she did not quite have the same pot belly like the other girls and face wise was a possibility.

i approached her on her couch and the other girls gave a roar of approval as i had been sitting and walking round the club for over an hour and a half without showing any of the women any interest.

public action

up close i could see that dilara was just about doable but was definitely wacky. she continued to clown around to the other girls but now using me as one of her props pushing her tits roughly into my face whilst the other girls laughed and bouncing up and down on my lap. but then she bent over and started giving me a blow job which was a little titillating as it was done in public, or to be more accurate, in front of the 8-10 girls and the only 2 other customers who were there.

it turned out that dilara didn't mind having sex in public and pushed me inside her and started riding me cowgirl. i blocked out the faces that were taking all this in and concentrated on trying to cum but just as i started to cum she got off and so i didn't get all of my spunk inside her. but still at least this bit of action partly redeemed the day.

she thanked me and i could see why. during the two hours that i had been inside the club there were no more than 4 other customers and only two of them had taken any of the girls. so it was clear that many of these girls will hardly see any action all day. probably rightly so.

having used my 1x50 there was no reason to stay in the club and so i got dressed and left. but as i was leaving dilara stopped me and got me to wave at the girls because apparently our little show had provided them with little bit of light entertainment. something to break up the monotony of sitting in this dreary club with nothing to do or see and with hardly any customers coming through the doors.

the verdict

it would be a silly question to ask whether i would go there again.

the name change of this club may have fooled some people in thinking that this is a 'new' club that ought to be tried. but having been there once i think there should not be any need for anyone else reading this to make the same mistake that i did.

Shinokun
08-24-13, 21:26
Its more than a month I visit the forum for information for my first visit to the ao clubs in my vacation in August.

Here's my experience.

I will be brief because I do not speak English well and myrh has described very well how they are made local.

I stay in Dusseldorf.

All of these clubs are within easy reach by public transport.

I have sygic with Germany map and help me a lot.

All these girls do AO.

FKK Arabella.

Lohrheidestraße 63,44866 Bochum.Tram 302 from bochum hbf stop at Lohrheidestr and 4 min walk.

Stephanie

Face: 6. 5/10. She's cute blonde.

Body: 6. 5/10. Nice titties. Meaty type little potbelly165cm.

Age: 19 she said.

Skill: 7/10. She is very good at bbj.

Service: 6/10 dfk cowgirl doggy, missionary.

I can't come because she had bad breath.

Sabrina.

Face: 8/10 hot

Age: 20.

Body: 8.5/10 tall 175cm nice titties model type.

Skills: 7.5/10 good BBBJ and riding.

Service: 8/10 She was very friendly, dfk cowgirl doggy, standing doggy missionary.

Great session, after I come we still stay 10 min in the room chatting.

Nicole.

Face: 7/10 pretty cute.

Age: 26.

Body: 7/10 meaty type a little potbelly.

Skills: 7. 5/10 good BBBJ, deepthroat, she put 1 ball all inside the mouth and sucking.

Service: 7/10 dfk.

Nice session.

Saunaclub Villa Venus.

Konrad-Adenauer-Ring 17,

47167 Duisburg.

Tram 902 or 903 from duisburg hbf stop at Amsterdamer Str and 8 min by walk.

Here choose in advance how many girls you want, after if you want more session I don't know the price.

The price are 1 for 60, 2 for 90 and 3 for 110.

I pay 110 euro for 3 session.

Baher.

Turkish girl.

Face: 7.5/ 10. Pretty face.

Body: 7.5/ 10.175cm meaty type little potbelly nice titties.

Age: 23.

Skill: 7/10. Great tight pussy, nice riding

Service: 7/10. BBBJ dfk.

Nice session.

Magda.

Face 4/10 I don't know in the club she look don't bad. But in the room she look ugly to me.

Body 4/10 170cm skinny type droppy tits.

Estimated age late late twenties.

Skill 7/10 nice bbj.

Service 6/10 bad breath.

I manage to come in doggy style.

Bianca.

Face 7. 5/10 best looking girl here for me I think she a little look like pornstar Mia Manarote.

Body 7/10 165cm small titties nice ass.

Estimated age early twenties.

Skill: 7/10. Ordinary.

Service: 7/10. Good BBBJ.

Saunaclub M-Exclusiv.

Weseler Straße 104,

48249 Dülmen. Buldern.

http://m-exclusiv.com/wordpress/

10 min walk from buldern station.

Prices: 1x45€; 2x75€; 3x90€; 4x99, 95€

I choose 4, I give 100 euro but she don't give me the 5 cent. But no problem.

You can see the girls in the site.

Aida.

Face: 7/10 pretty cute she has glasses and look real better in real

Body: 7/10 170cm skinny type small titties soft skin.

Estimated age: early twenties.

Skills: 7/10. Good BBBJ and riding.

Service: 8/10 she like dfk and we do a lot.

Great session. She is my first and my last session there.

Ruby.

Face: 7/10. She's cute.

Body: 6. 5/10. Droppy tits potbelly.

Estimated age: early twenties.

Skill: 7/10. Very ordinary.

Service: 6. 5/10 she don't want touch her lips. Everytime I try kiss her she stop my head with hands and give me only tongue.

Nice session in room with great mirror, she don't mind if you put finger in her ass when we doggy

Irina.

Face 6. 5/10 red hair cute.

Body: 6/10. Meaty type 165cm nice titties little potbelly.

Age: early twenties

Skill: 6/10. Very ordinary.

Service: 6/10 BBBJ, bad breath.

I don't come with her.

FKK Club Grimberg Sauna.

Grimbergstraße 12, 45889 Gelsenkirchen.

Tram 301 from gelsenkirchen hbf stop at ZOOM Erlebniswelt and 7 min by walk.

There is a zoo close by so you can see some people around, some group of guys see me walking inside the club, they point me smile and say "hey hey hey" LOL.

Price same at fkk arabella.

60 for entry and 1 girl. And 30 for the next.

Kati.

Face: 6. 5/10. She's cute, red hair some pimples.

Body: 7. 5/10. Awesome rack. 175cm

Age: early twenties.

Skill: 7/10 great bbj.

Service: 7/10. BBBJ dfk.

Nice session, she said has worked in many other clubs before, Goldentime Villavertigo Happygarden Samya.

She said this place is shit but in good day she do 20 rooms, in goldentime not more of 4 room in a day.

Lily.

Face: 7/10. She's cute short black hair.

Body: 75/10 small tits perfect ass for me, look like Mia Malkova or Jessi Rogers ass, amazing soft lips.

Age: 26.

Skill: 7/10.

Service: 8. 5/10.

She said is only half month she do this job and this is her first club, before she work in Romania doing massage and earn only 300 euro in month, now here.

She earn 300 in a day, but she don't like stay here.

Great session, I love her ass and her lips is the best lips I ever kiss.

The next day was my last day in Dussedorf and I have the flight in the afternoon so I decided to come back to see her one more time in the morning.

I arrived at 11 am and she just finished with another customer I ask her if we can stay 1 hr, she said it's ok but after 30 min she need to go down at reception and write on my bracelet.

In the end I stay 1h 30 min and we dfk like 30min, it was one best sex in my life.

In the reception I give 70 euro (50+20) and I expected back 10 euro but she give me back my 20 so in total I pay 60+50 for 1h30min.

In the afternoon I went home happy.

EastGoing
09-08-13, 17:39
I visited last Saturday. A few girls missing: Bella, who seem not to work there anymore, Gaby and another couple of good ones whose names I don't know. I sessioned with Denisa and Sabrina, who was supposed to go home on holiday, don't know if and when she'll be back. Also, she has put on some 6-7 kgs, becoming less attractive. Both sessions were barely sufficient, a striking contrast with my last trip's experience. I enjoyed more the couch time than the sessions, anyway fair enough, but not what I was expecting. They were ok just for the "esteem", confidence and intimacy we had, no fireworks and nothing particularly valuable to report.
As to the soap opera, we discussed little about my previous visit, both having little interest in that and in carrying it on, especially by my side, if anything had ever really started.
Maybe it's true that first time enthusiasm makes one overevaluate things, which is also something that conferms the importance of my violated rule of not going back to the same girls.

Shinokun
09-13-13, 19:33
Remind me not to breathe on you, Mr. Pearly gnashers.

I am guessing that these girls breaths did not smell too sweet after licking salty balls, snogging men with missing teeth and gargling mouthfuls of semen all day.Most of girls taste good when I DFK them, I only reported what I feel, better for you that never meet girls with bad breath.

Myrrh
09-14-13, 12:48
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njpyiz9v2ww

i was going through my private messages with the view to deleting some of them when i came across a pm from woofiee from 1 year ago. i had posted at the time that i was thinking of going to club la luna (the most famous and longest running bareback (ao) clubs of them all) and he wanted me to tell him how it went because he was thinking of driving 3 hours to get there. now my no. 1 rule is never to reveal the contents of pm's no matter what they contain but in woofiee's case you will see why i have made an exception.


hey myrrh,

no worries. i saw the report. my apologies to you! geez. cured me of having to consider the place.

woofie.


sorry woofiee,

i only saw this today so apologies for not replying earlier. i have now done a report on my visit so hopefully it will be helpful.

regards,

myrrh.


hey myrrh.

saw you were going to laluna friday last. how it'd work out? i hear punters going to it, but some cancel, redirect, or don't report back. being laluna isn't around the corner, is it worth driving 3 hours to. woofieei thought when i re-read the pm that the name seemed familiar although back then it meant nothing to me. but it got me thinking. was this the same woofiee who had spent many weeks this year stalking the ao related threads goading, baiting and deliberately antagonising esteemed members like sir swingerlover, wanking and dreams for discussing ao on the forum? he gives the clear impression that he is an ardent opponent of bareback / ao, would never contemplate it and viewed those who did it with less than contempt. also he wanted the board to be segregated so that normal members would not encounter those members who liked and promoted ao activity.

if so then why was he asking me about driving 3 hours to a dedicated ao club. i am assuming that after his long drive that he would spend the rest of the day tamely sipping cokes or was the reason for his interest the 'bareback-as-much-as-you-like' all day long ao flat rate event that was happening there that day? now i don't like to character assassinate other members but i thought it was worthwhile looking through some of this 'holier than thou' character's past posts.

well, what did i find? first of all i had to wade through some posts that had been deleted by admin because woofiee several times had broken rules about antagonising other members.


[deleted by admin]

editor's note: this report was redacted or deleted to remove sections of the report that were largely argumentative. please read the forum faq and the forum's posting guidelines for more information. thank you! then through many posts where he mercilessly taunted, ridiculed and insulted other members about their interest in bareback sex. he was so way above any of that kind of stuff, isn't he?


and you would be wrong (we all don't think alike, bub).

ao is off the menu, but i'm also not going to wrap up as soon as i enter the room. everything in its time. seen the results too often in this lifetime already. don't forget, i've been mongering in bangkok and pattaya since the 90s and seen a few mongers cum and go. it's all high-rises and hiv now, as another poster on isg perfectly said, and so that stay's fixed in my mind at all times.
ah, the king of the ao gang makes his appearance. i was wondering when dreams would've brought in the artillery. and look, more personal attacks, more indignation, and a little bit of your personal history that no one really cares to know about. you are a small sample in a very large experiment, and if you don't think that simple size makes difference, then you really don't know what you're talking about.

i'm a bit older now and strangely enough, i actually laugh when i read personal crap like this. if you haven't noticed, i'm not trying to get you or your gang to understand the efficacy of protection. you folks are lost cause and besides it's not my place to tell people what they should do, contrary to what you folks are doing.
you know, the only people here trying to stop anyone from writing this tend to be the ao gang. they've tried to get me banned and my posts removed.

i also said i disapprove of it, and while i can't tell others to do rubber-up, i think it's dangerous to promote unsafe sex here on isg.

i maintain that if the talk of ao bleeds into the fkk forums, as it has in the partytreff subgroup, it will become a problem.
you've missed the point. what about the other 40 threads? how dead are they now that the ao gang practically rule the partytreff section? i'm only speaking for my own here (and the few other mongers i've met and asked this of) but i feel the community has suffered because of the prevalence of the ao talk. you read this section the threads about unsafe sex. hell, we're not stupid. we'll not bother commenting or even come back. i try to occasionally post into the sections that don't have this conversation but the traffic is useless. it's like the definition of partytreff is now ao.

if i get kicked off, no matter. i want to belong to a community who can help decide the direction the forums take. promoting ao sex is unwise and pollutes the environment we all play in. you say it's personal choice. i say there's no such thing as the "REP019ing" part of the pool. it all mixes together.

but what about other positions that also endanger the community? this all started about whether someone who passed on a disease should be discussed here, and then it spiraled into what do we as a community owe to each other? information? discussion? if this all about "enterainment" then i don't want to belong to this place. google me; i'm no stranger to adult boards, and i've had years of support on this and other boards in holland, the us and thailand. i go with the flow and enjoy the banter, but when people promote stupid things, behaviours what clearly endanger this game we all play, well sorry. i'm going to fight you for it.
it's a fair remark. i don't bother reading this section anymore because the tone is so different now. almost all reports are about ao, and everyone acts as if it's not dangerous. it's more than that. it's idiotic.then i came across posts from him where it would seem that the same woofiee was actually an ardent lover of bareback and had several posts relating to his enthusiastic pursuance of bareback activity at some of the most infamous, hard-core bareback clubs that germany has to to offer like eva freundlin, ewa's club and club tabulos as well as many visits to thailand where he seemed to have enjoyed that sort of activity there too.

first of all a post where a year ago woofiee had been clicking on links for events in the ao bareback calendar thread which swingerlover spends much of his time putting together. the same swingerlover who was then a few months later heavily criticised by woofiee for promoting ao activity. i am assuming that woofiee was clicking on those links a year ago just to satisfy his curiosity and for no other reason whatsoever?


chrome says malware was detected on this linkthen many posts where his secret, or should i say not so secret, affection for ao activity at several hard-core ao clubs is revealed. including trips to thailand where he appears to enjoy bareback activity there as well.


i'm heading out this weekend and i'm thinking of either harem, tabulous or mettman. anyone interested in doing a wingman? friday night i can't get there before 18:30 (coming from amsterdam) but saturday has the whole day. or any other suggestions? having an ao option is good.
and unless theres a tabulous party this weekend, saturday is going to be partytreff mönchengladbach. if anyone from amsterdam or thereabouts wants to join in, i'm already driving down.

1102662


initially thought perhaps beidseitig meant something like an ao, but okay. 69 works too. .

titty fuck? in a bj bar on soi 6 in pattaya, sure. in a partytreff i want the plunge. .
"club tabulouse: no party during your dates, so you should spend per session like in a normal fkk club"

not sure what you mean by no party, can you elaborate?

tabulous is tempting, although i'm not sure about the bareback thing (rubbers are available, but i love bareback).

ewa's place gets great press here, and i don't want to have to wait until i head back to pattaya, usual playground. but yeah. tabulous or paschal palace seem the best choices.
thinking of a trip next week to one of these:

no limit girlies.

club tabulose

pussy club, wuppertal.

ewa's club (is this mettman?)

any one else interested? i'll probably pick one, but which?
also, i thought tabulous was primarily bareback - is this place or mettman?
while we're at it, perhaps someone can give me a more precise meaning to "tabulose"?i feel like such a noob. cool.so it is clear. woofiee was involved in zealous pursuit of bareback activity at some of the most notorious bareback clubs in the past and discussed his special interest in this area openly on this forum. a few months later he is acting as though he would never consider bareback and that members who are interested in bareback are beneath contempt, are dangerous and should be segregated on the board in case other members see what they are discussing.

now i have met some disingenuous dutchmen in my time, who can say one thing and mean completely the opposite, but this is the first time i have encountered one who speaks true double dutch.

Hessen Bub
09-14-13, 13:25
Man, you got way too much time. I'd rather spend my time fucking instead of analyzing other board members.

HB

Myrrh
09-14-13, 17:55
Man, you got way too much time. I'd rather spend my time fucking instead of analyzing other board members.I hear you Bubba. I just thought it was worthwhile making a one-off exception in this case and I think others will sympathise with the reasons.

SwingerLover
09-14-13, 19:59
Well, I can't look at the posts of this charakter anymore when I'm logged in, because Jackson put us on each others ignore lists by force, to stop the argueing. Truth be told I never went as way back in his posts when I still could. And to what point? Thanks to the Woofiee-police, we now have a very good comparison of several posts from this member. Talk about two-face. Is Batman around?

I had a similar disturbing experience from reading Woofie reports, but didn't bother to write about it before. I recall that he wrote very favourable about Pauschalclub Bochum. Until someone posted a negative report about a recent visit. Then Woofiee took back what he had written before and somewhat agreed with the other members post. A while later there was a favourable report from him on Bochum again.

I'm quite happy that I don't see his writ anymore. Still, thanks to Myrrh for this summary.

Myrrh
09-14-13, 21:18
I'm quite happy that I don't see his writ anymore. Still, thanks to Myrrh for this summary.Sir Swing, I think we can now draw a line under this matter now and move on. You appear to already have.

If the Woof responds then I won't respond, because the evidence already speaks for us.

We can now get back to doing what we all enjoy doing, or at least claim on here that we enjoy doing (snigger).

Wanking
09-17-13, 13:21
No more arguing. And enjoy some cake!

Woofiee
09-17-13, 14:18
Nice that Myrrh decided to make private mail public, but it doesn't matter. While I was interested, I never went. All that was 3 years ago. So what happened? Am I disingenuous as Myrrh has decided, or have I changed my outlook? (BTW. I'm not Dutch. Apologise to the country now.)

In those days I had just broken up with relationship so I was a pretty angry guy. All that trust, shot to hell. Why shouldn't I use women as they use us? I was open to all possibilities and decided to ask around. Tried Mettman. Public stuff wasn't to my taste. I knew PHG and GT well, but the ***** stole nearly everything and I was fairly skint back then. Partytreffs and such were better value, but really hit or miss.

Then a business trip to Thailand with a coworker (Canadian guy who introduced me to PHG long ago) and it was amazing. Still prefer Thailand to anywhere else. People are great, sex is uncomplicated and easy, everyone wins. Probably going 5:1 for condom use, so not too smart. And so I came back with a really bad case of thrush. Some meds, some time, all gone. Was freaked tho and did the 3 month wait to watch for the inevitable all-clear. My colleague, tho. Not so lucky. He was sick for a week on return (we did drink way too much there) and which soon got worse. Few weeks later he tells me he's got a liver problem (he's always been a hard drinker) and had now tested positive for HIV.

Long story short, we're all watching him die slowly. He's had several problems with infections and toxaplasmosis which messes with his glands, he's really getting frail and the office isn't too comfortable with him there (we know better, but people talk and cheap talk causes stupid fear). He's not the first person I've known who's sick with HIV; there's a friend's sister years back who's now gone. But this time I get to watch it every freaking work day. His family is far away (they don't want anything to do with him anyway) and his workplace is becoming less tolerant now that his pallor is obvious. He's getting more scared and he's on his own. Even I'm not so comfortable. We just go to the pub occasionally, and hardly hang out. If his kidneys weren't shit to begin with, would it have taken him down so fast? No idea. I'm not a doctor. All I know is he's going down, fast.

And so yeah, something's changed in me. Some switch has been flipped and I can't tolerate the "live and let live"-lie that gets passed about easily here, as if wishful denials makes it all A-OK. Why do I still do clubs and partytreffs? My trust in women hasn't returned and the flesh is weak, so I partake but try to do so in the safest way possible. Why do I bother commenting on this kind of stuff? Because personal experience is a hell of a lot more valuable than closing your eyes and hoping for the best, and I also hate misinformation and lies.

I've also moved on, but as Myrrh felt one more personal attack was in order, I felt I needed to respond. Now I'm done.

Optimist
09-18-13, 10:17
How about letting the subject rest?. We all have opinions, blind spots, ignorance, and exuses (or reasons?). This forum is supposed to be about paid for sex not our life stories. If you like I can tell you about people I know who have died from Government blood transfusions, lung cancer from smoking, cervical cancer from sex, and HIV and so on, but I think my feelings and life are not relevant to a forum with so little tolerance

Best wishes to all

Woofiee
09-18-13, 12:24
How about letting the subject rest. We all have opinions, blind spots, ignorance, and exuses (or reasons?). This forum is supposed to be about paid for sex not our life stories. If you like I can tell you about people I know who have died from Government blood transfusions, lung cancer from smoking, cervical cancer from sex, and HIV and so on, but I think my feelings and life are not relevant to a forum with so little tolerance.

Best wishes to allI had hoped to. Myrrh's personal attack somewhat changed my mind and I wanted a very limited but succinct response to it, but I don't want to be party to this continued conversation. In fact, the only issue I have is why this thread isn't in the AO grouping with the other venues. Surely it's not because it's a FKK or anything like that; AO is the larger grouping. I also don't expect any to respond to this part. As I've been told, more-worthy users are in charge, not me.

I also don't expect this to give anyone one moment's pause in their activities. As you suggested, there is little tolerance for opposing opinions. I only wanted to explain how I came to be strongly on the other side of the fence.

Admin
09-19-13, 17:30
Gentlemen,

The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange of information between Men on the subject of finding Women for Sex.

Let's get back to the subject.

Thank You,

Jackson

Tiger Genius
09-29-13, 16:14
I will be in an hotel near Arabella and I'm interested in this place because I read on the website that every extra are included.

I prefer flat-rate and I'm not interested in AO, but I like to have anal sex and 3 X 110€ with anal is not a bad price.

Can someone tell me if is easy to find girl that make anal sex?

EastGoing
10-01-13, 20:48
I have strongly considered to quit or reduce at maximum my posts, especially in german threads and furthermore in FKKs threads, to avoid possible ridiculous criticism and / or pointless and stupid insults by one or more intolerant old fat ignorant giant douches, to whom I didn't even bother to answer.

So now I make an "exception" for Tiger Genius, who, inspite of being just a regular member, seems active and endowed with good will of contributing usefully to the forum, unlike most of regular FKK threads posters who would do a favour to readers and to themselves by just pming themselves. If Jackson added a "useless pointless posts thread" it would quickly get the busiest of the forum, even if by quite a restricted number of posters.

So, Tiger, I read by mistake your question and remembered to check it for you. There were 2 girls offering it out of some 12 in the place, but they were the most unattractive (to me) , sorry for not remembering the names, but I think you can phone and ask. The Thekefrau on duty on wednesdays, saturdays and sundays speaks english, the other one only german. If you go there anyway there is written by the counter what girls offer, even if I have noticed that not always it's true, but I never complained.

In Grimberg (close enough and easy to reach) and VV I recall more girls offering anal. Not really fanciable girls in Grimberg offering it, while probable best looking for your purpose was VV's Magda, physically quite fuckable and with a good attitude.

Quite a few changes in the clubs, in my opinion at the moment VV offers the best choice of the 3.

Side note for fans: She didn't come back, was supposed to be back some 10 days ago. Lost in space.

Greetings,

EG

Jymondor
10-01-13, 20:58
Can someone tell me if is easy to find girl that make anal sex?There are girls pictures with their names and services right at the bar. Look for the girls who "Alles machen". This means anal too.

Breadman
10-02-13, 03:43
Don't get you're mini skirt ruffled, post or don't. Don't throw a sissy fit.

Tiger Genius
10-02-13, 14:52
Thank you for the answers.

I think that Arabella or Grimberg can be my B plan if I have problem in Pauschalclub Bochum or if I will be tired, because instead to stay two day in hotel in Bochum, I think to go to partytreff Ambrosia in the first day.

Ed Setra
10-02-13, 18:42
Can someone tell me if is easy to find girl that make anal sex?In Arabella Aida will provide anal. She usually sits on the couch at far wall facing the entrance, close by the toilets. Quite striking looking, tall in her platforms. Good performer all round actually.

Ed Setra
10-03-13, 17:41
In Arabella Aida will provide anal. She usually sits on the couch at far wall facing the entrance, close by the toilets. Quite striking looking, tall in her platforms. Good performer all round actually.Apologies, Aida is of course at Villa Venus and not at Arabella.

Creature2
10-26-13, 16:33
I have scheduled some visits two NRW. And VV, Grimberg and maybe Arabella will be on the menu altogether with M-Exclusive, Haus Panthera and ACA.

So, I wonder what was the current line-up adn the level of service in VV, Arabella and Grimberg? Any recent info regarding the line-up. I have to choose or give priority for some of those clubs, as I am short on stamina to do all three in a single trip. LOL.

There is a lack of report here, I need to check and report back. But first, I need first hand info.

Paco69
10-28-13, 01:32
Last week I was on a tour. Visited Villa Venus, Grimberg Sauna and Acapulco.

VV and Grimberg Lineup not as good as it was in early summertime.

No stunners there. Arabella is number 1 when you want to visit an RTC.

Acapulco not worth a try. Why? Never visited a club with such bad atmosphere. Good looking girls, but her attitude of a diva! Is so crappy.

You don't get in a f-mood.

So my tip for you: Arabella, than Panthera. Good service for your money.

Creature2
10-29-13, 14:10
Last week I was on a tour. Visited Villa Venus, Grimberg Sauna and Acapulco.

VV and Grimberg Lineup not as good as it was in early summertime.

No stunners there. Arabella is number 1 when you want to visit an RTC.

Acapulco not worth a try. Why? Never visited a club with such bad atmosphere. Good looking girls, but her attitude of a diva! Is so crappy.

You don't get in a f-mood.

So my tip for you: Arabella, than Panthera. Good service for your money.Thank you very much for fresh infos,

I guess I will sample some of the RTC, as I plan two different visits to NRW, next coming weeks.

Jymondor
11-03-13, 17:01
I can confirm that VV line-up is not even close that used to be last Summer. Aida and Bianca still there but this is not enough for me to return.

Observation:

- If line-up is good you have to chose number of sessions upfront. Say if you paid 90€ for two sessions third will cost you 60€ (30€ entrance + 30€ one session). If you pay three sessions upfront it will cost you 120€.

- If lineup is bad as today you pay initially 60€. This covers entrance and one session. Each next session will cost 30€, which is more convenient.

I managed two sessions without taking Aida and Bianca. Both girls slim Romanians GND in their late 20's with very basic English. Service indeed was OK, but "keine Lust" for third session at all.

Creature2
12-09-13, 08:38
Made my maiden visit to M-Exclusive sauna club on a Saturday afternoon. It is close to Munster, in Dulmen. And that is a 100 km distance from DUS airport.

Actually, I have visited its sister club sauna M2 in August so I know the price structure and the service level but what I can't guess was the quality of the line-up.

With my colleagues, I arrive at 4 pm. We asked how many girls were there at the moment, the answer was 12.

The deal was such as;

1 x 45.

2 x 75.

3 x 90.

4 x 99 Euro, as already stated on the web site.

The thekefrau asks how many sessions we want to buy, all of us, we have checked the line-up (you can see some of them because they take you to the bar to pay the entrance) and decided to start with 4 sessions.

The line-up seems ok and on the level of look department, easily comparable with Club Angelique.

All girls are from Ro / BG but they are good on look department, much better to some of Grimberg and Villa Venus. Some girls speak passable English but most don't. We were the only foreigners in the club because this is a local place, most punters knows each other.

The sessions takes long 20 min and this includes every extra that the girls provide, such as CIM, COB etc. I don't know about creampieing them. There is no photos of each girl who tells you what they do so you have to ask them, I guess most girls practice AO and be careful, if you don't warn, they jump over you to cowgirl, with bareback. So, if you don't do AO, you should warn them beforehand, some doesn't have condoms in their purse and have to rush from the room to fetch after the session started.

The girls I sampled were;

DEA: Brunette, Romanian. Nice body, nice face and nice lips. DFK very good, BBBJ good style. As this was my first session of this trips, I couldn't last more than 10 min but she deserve more time in the room. The only drawback, she doesn't do CIM, I put my dick to her mouth before ejaculate, but after first water jet, she put out from her mouth and pour it to first breast. Waisted opportunity.

RUBI: Maybe, this is the best looking girl of the house, that day. A body to kill, face is pretty. Young Rominian girl. She is a bit pro, DFK not so good, before completion put out the condom and asked to blowjob, she says she don't do CIM and I made COB just after mish.

NoGermaphobe
12-22-13, 03:35
Has anyone checked out Sky Sauna Club?

http://www.sky-saunaclub.com/

Looks like decent a amount of their ladies go bareback if I reading it correctly. Some ladies are marked tabulos like Porn Lena or Natalia. Thinking about checking it out during my next trip in January.

Also, can anyone tell me the deal with Sauna Club Anubis?

http://saunaclub-anubis.de/

Seems like they have a bareback / AO day on Wednesday. But what about the other days? Are the ladies available for AO at a per fuck price?

As I have been trolling the German boards, I also came across another new bareback place. (I don't speak or read German, but can kind of get the idea based on Google translate in Chrome.)

Sex Pension looks to have three of four really cute bareback ladies.

http://www.sexpension.de/

Lily and Sandra make the cut!

SwingerLover
12-22-13, 20:50
Has anyone checked out Sky Sauna Club?

Also, can anyone tell me the deal with Sauna Club Anubis?

Sex Pension looks to have three of four really cute bareback ladies.I looked at the websites and it doesn't seem to me as if Sky Sauna Club and Sexpension offer any bareback at all. Could still be, but I don't think so. Don't get fooled by the word "tabooless", that is one of the most misused words and doesn't necessarily mean that they will do bareback sex.

Anubis does offer the AO-flatrate on Wednesdays, as it was before at Cleopatra Arena. I suppose AO will be available on a P4P basis as well with some of the women.

Jimmy Boy 99
12-23-13, 01:03
http://www.sexpension.de/[/url]

Lily and Sandra make the cut!I didn't see anywhere on their website anything about bareback sex. Where did you see it?

NoGermaphobe
12-23-13, 05:59
I am pretty sure that Sex Pension is indeed a bareback club for two reasons.

1. All the ladies have tabulos mentioned in their profile. To SwingerLover's point, this does not necessarily mean that the ladies offer bareback. But in my experience following the bareback scene in Germany since 2006, it can mean and it sometimes does. Again, I don't speak or read German. So I will defer to SL's wisdom on this matter. But I have been monitoring the German boards for quite a while. Google Chrome does a decent job of translation and I have gotten fairly good at picking out certain key words in the reports. Which brings me to.

2. There is a well known and active German board that is dedicated to bareback discussion exclusively. There is a thread on that board titled Mülheim SexPension. Obviously it is against the forum rules here to mention the board or link to it. But in that thread, there are several posters that report bareback at the club, if I reading it correctly. One poster describes bareback creampies with Lily and another mentioned that Natalia jumped on him bareback, but requested he not creampie her since she wasn't on birth control. Further up in the thread someone asks if all the ladies allow creampies. I think someone replies yes, but then this is contradicted later in the thread with Natalia. So it seems at least bareback is available with creampies available with some of the ladies.

Again, I cannot be 100% sure on any of this, but I am pretty sure. Of course, I would rather converse with the folks here about it in English. I don't post on the German boards. I just view them for intel on new places. I may give Sex Pension a try in January. But I will only be in NRW for two days and my bareback club tour is pretty stacked. But some of those ladies on the webpage seem hotter than the average bareback ladies in Germany. So it may be worth a try.

Another interesting note about Sex Pension is the listed photo / video option. No idea what it costs, but if you've ever wanted a memento of your bareback exploits, this may also be the place for you. Hope one of the locals will check it out shortly and report back.


I didn't see anywhere on their website anything about bareback sex. Where did you see it?

SwingerLover
12-25-13, 19:31
So I will defer to SL's wisdom on this matter.

Obviously it is against the forum rules here to mention the board or link to it. But in that thread, there are several posters that report bareback at the club, if I reading it correctly.My "wisdom" about this place is limited to what I read on their website! It could be that AO is possible, so if someone knows first hand, then please report back!

As for mentioning the forum or linking to it: That rule applies to fora in English only! So if the forum is in German, then you may post a link; so please do.

Chopsticks31
12-27-13, 15:25
So, Anubis has AO flat rate every Wednesday?

Cause normally this is a fkk club?

I really like the look of the place, don't suppose anyone has been there lately?

NoGermaphobe
12-28-13, 07:28
SL,

Here is the link to one of the German AO forums I visit. It seems like a good resource for both AO clubs, but also seems to focus on escorts and providers of AO service as well.

You will have to register to view the board. But it is free.

http://www.tabulose-huren.com/showthread.php/25534-M%C3%BClheim-SexPension


My "wisdom" about this place is limited to what I read on their website! It could be that AO is possible, so if someone knows first hand, then please report back!

As for mentioning the forum or linking to it: That rule applies to fora in English only! So if the forum is in German, then you may post a link; so please do.

SwingerLover
12-29-13, 14:37
You will have to register to view the board. But it is free.Two years ago I tried to register there three times and nothing worked and it was definitely not for free back then, except if you uploaded a report about something new. I did that and still nothing worked, so I unregistered again and have never bothered with this TH-forum again.

Hessen Bub
12-29-13, 16:14
The board is free. There may be one or two sections you can't access, but 90% pf the board are available for free. Quality though is poor, unmoderated, most girls are. Let's say it politely. Not exactly top models.

HB

NoGermaphobe
01-06-14, 06:41
I just tried to register with a brand new account as well and I also received the request to purchase an account. So it appears the board is no longer free. But I still have access with my old account. I never purchased a membership with that account.

Regardless, the original point remains. Bareback and CIP seem to be available at.

http://www.sexpension.de/

Although some ladies may request you not cum inside them. This is based off of the postings on that board. I may check it out on my next trip. But one of the locals or more frequent travelers may want to give them a call or check it out as well.


I just registered. Can't seem to access anything without paying for an account. Is it possible you are grandfathered in or something?

Hessen Bub
01-07-14, 18:52
I just registered. Can't seem to access anything without paying for an account. Is it possible you are grandfathered in or something?Could be.

HB

Varenne
01-12-14, 00:46
According to advertising on local press, on 14-01-2014 the FKK Villa Romantika (Blitzkuhlenstrasse 109,

Recklinghausen, phone +49 2361 15283) will open as an all-inclusive sessions club, on the same model as Arabella / Venus / Grimberg / Verena:

- entry fee 9. 99€

- half hour service (all extras included) 29. 99€

- opening hours: 10-24 daily

- 11 models are announced.

The.

website (http://www.fkk-romantika.de/)

Has not been updated yet.

Optimist
01-23-14, 15:58
Villa Romantika is open and getting "value for money" reviews, assessed at being a bit sub-Arabella.

Another club re-opening to include AO I think is FKK Viersen, Gladbacher Str 513. Free entry "tabulos" session 50, ordinary session 35

Wanking
01-29-14, 16:53
Another club re-opening to include AO I think is FKK Viersen, Gladbacher Str 513. Free entry "tabulos" session 50, ordinary session 35I was there a few times when it was Partytreff Viersen a few years ago, pretty shitty set up that time. Website talks about parties but also mentions free entry so I guess you can walk in and have just one shag or whatever.

http://fkkclub-viersen.de/site/angebote/

Wanking
01-29-14, 16:56
So, Anubis has AO flat rate every Wednesday?

Cause normally this is a fkk club?

I really like the look of the place, don't suppose anyone has been there lately?I reckon if they have 10 girls for the Wednesday party. 3 or 4 would be bare and the rest rubber, thats how it was in Cleopatra times last year.

Cvangt
02-03-14, 19:53
My "wisdom" about this place is limited to what I read on their website! It could be that AO is possible, so if someone knows first hand, then please report back!

As for mentioning the forum or linking to it: That rule applies to fora in English only! So if the forum is in German, then you may post a link; so please do.Sexpension is indeed AO. I went there today and had to wait for Lily since she was with another monger. She grabbed a condom and I asked to try without. She said ok, but not to come inside of her.

They speak English and Polish there, so German isn't really necessary. Just know Stunde= hour, and halb= half. As stated on the website, it's 60hh / 100h.

Treble Machine
02-05-14, 08:41
I will be in the area in mid-March and was thinking about hitting two clubs over a weekend.

What would be the better choice for a early Sunday visit?

Vito Corleone
02-13-14, 09:00
Sexpension is indeed AO. I went there today and had to wait for Lily since she was with another monger. She grabbed a condom and I asked to try without. She said ok, but not to come inside of her.

They speak English and Polish there, so German isn't really necessary. Just know Stunde= hour, and halb= half. As stated on the website, it's 60hh / 100h.I did Lily 5 times this past trip & she allowed CIP every time. She provides great service! Best to arrive early & pick your girl before the after work crowd shows up.

Forcharles
02-16-14, 06:33
I did Lily 5 times this past trip & she allowed CIP every time. She provides great service! Best to arrive early & pick your girl before the after work crowd shows up.On the website (http://www.sexpension.de/ladies) it shows a "Begleitservice" or Escort service. Is the address also "incall" service? I think I have the correct location for Sexpension: Schultenhofstraße 44, 45475 Mülheim an der Ruhr.

Lily is not listed. Only Kati, Julia, Claudia, Isabela and Jeni. Perhaps the site only lists the girls working that day. I'll check again.

ButtLover
02-16-14, 12:01
Hi,

What about Sauna Grimbergs premises? Is it less than Arabella, you only see 2 couches on their website for example.

BL

Hessen Bub
02-16-14, 16:49
Hi,

What about Sauna Grimbergs premises? Is it less than Arabella, you only see 2 couches on their website for example.

BLNo, Arabella is smaller than Grimberg or Villa Venus.

HB

Vito Corleone
02-18-14, 19:59
Hi,

What about Sauna Grimbergs premises? Is it less than Arabella, you only see 2 couches on their website for example.

BLGrimberg is bigger, but Arabella has more rooms.

Vito Corleone
02-18-14, 20:04
On the website (url]http://www.sexpension.de/ladies[/url]) it shows a "Begleitservice" or Escort service. Is the address also "incall" service? I think I have the correct location for Sexpension: Schultenhofstraße 44, 45475 Mülheim an der Ruhr.

Lily is not listed. Only Kati, Julia, Claudia, Isabela and Jeni. Perhaps the site only lists the girls working that day. I'll check again.Lilly must be on break now.

The address is correct. It's a small apartment with 2 bedrooms & 1 bathroom with toilet & shower. There's a big living room with a TV & bed, but the girls hang out there. If both rooms are not available or if your girl is busy, there is no place to wait. They will ask you to return.

You can either wait outside in your car or outside the door in the stairway.

Rohan Cid
02-19-14, 19:39
I was looking at the ladies profiles on the Arabella website and I was wondering what that abbreviation meant.

Hessen Bub
02-19-14, 20:28
FT = Französisch Total = CIM = Come In Mouth.

HB

BigBuddy69
03-15-14, 21:04
I was in Venus on Wednesday (4th March) and good surprise, it was 100 € for 3 girls at the beginning of the afternoon. About 10 girls, no ugly one.

First girl : Ebru : turkish. 30 yo, beautiful face like Jessica Fiorentino, little belly, long black hair, some tatoos. Cannot kiss longtime because of asthma. Good BJ. Covered sex. Many positions. Rode me in inverted cowgirl to finish (great!). Then she had a funny phone conversation with her brother and the repairman for her car.

Second girl : Anna, bulgarian. 20-25 yo, really beautiful (like Elli of Babylon but even hotter) , dark skin, black hair, new tatoo on her back (you can't touch it's still painful). Kisses on the couch, then zimmer. BJ. Covered sex. I came in doggy 15 minutes later and she was ready to leave. Next time I'll try to last longer.

Third girl : Larissa, ro. 32 or 34, long black hair, little breasts but terrific nipples. I talked to her before (without sitting on the couch) for quite a long time, and when she and I were ready, I sat next to her, we kissed, she gave me a BJ on the couch (she was the only one of the three to do that) , then zimmer. Good BJ, good covered sex, and she offered me to come in her mouth.

There were at least 2 or 3 girls left I would have liked to fuck (Bonny the blonde doll, a student type brunette and some other girl). The price structure change during the day to 30 €/entry + 30 €/girl.

Every girl declared AO and / or FT even if only Larissa did FT but I don't care as long as the girls gets more money. There was some cake to eat and apples. A good place if you're short on money but bring a book and try to last until 20 or 25 minutes because once you come, the girl wants to leave the room. Too bad that the social time is short, or only for the frequent guests.

Ebru gave me a kiss goodbye

Jimmy Boy 99
03-15-14, 22:58
I was in Venus on Wednesday (4th March) and good surprise, it was 100 € for 3 girls at the beginning of the afternoon. About 10 girls, no ugly one.

Third girl : Larissa, ro. 32 or 34, long black hair, little breasts but terrific nipples. I talked to her before (without sitting on the couch) for quite a long time, and when she and I were ready, I sat next to her, we kissed, she gave me a BJ on the couch (she was the only one of the three to do that) , then zimmer. Good BJ, good covered sex, and she offered me to come in her mouth.

Too bad that the social time is short, or only for the frequent guests.Every girl I have been with at Venus has done a couch BJ before going to the room. Just uncover your dick and point to it; she'll get the hint. You can also fuck on the couch before going to the room f you want.

EastGoing
03-17-14, 16:31
After months on "strike", I decided to be active in this forum again, not that I didn't travel or monger during this time of course. I see that here there are no great updates on Red Carpets Clubs, so I'm going to fill this emptiness. I made a recent blitz in Grimberg, VV and Arabella, I will soon post about it. For now a couple of answers and considerations.

ButtLover,

Arabella is the smallest club, VV the biggest. Personally, I find Grimberg the less "convenient" from a practical point of view, because the lounge is all divided into small rooms, I mean that you can't keep the situation under control, it's dispersive. If in the other 2 clubs you don't have big problems in keeping an eye on which girl is back, busy, etc, in Grimberg you will have to keep on walking around, quite annoying. Also, it's difficult to find an empty sofa for you to sit, you are likely to find one because the girl who left her stuff there is temporarily absent, but when she comes back you must choose between leaving or getting involved with her, and surely you are not going to sit beside another punter.

BigBuddy,

I was in VV on Tuesday 11, your calendar is wrong. They told me that option works only on fridays and saturdays, I'll soon be back in those days, so I will verify. For the first time in VV I got the option 60€ entrance with one session included and then 30 each following session, which I prefer to the option where you must declare beforehand how many sessions you are going to have, because more freedom is allowed. Also, this year they added a limitation if the "beforehand option" works: you can't go more than once with the same girl, with the other options you are allowed. The note of the payment structure was on the counter by TF, but, since you noticed that, could you tell me at what time they change the fee?

For the rest, in all clubs any sex can be performed on sofas, usually just hands and tongues working. If it's an intercourse, normally girls will put a towel around their waist to cover the "shameful act", I always wondered why, surely they are not shy timid virgins. This time I saw a tender girl riding a guy without towel on a sofa in Grimberg.

Now I got some experience in these clubs, I see things with a different eye from when I was a "shocked" beginner, and I realized that there are some kinds or rules and procedures. For instance, normally you will be accompanied to the exit by one of the girls who has been with you that day, TK may even call one of them, or in your previous visits (if the ones you had that day are all busy, one of your past honeys will probably volunteer) , so if you leave shortly after your last session probably it will be the last of your girls to take you to the door.

About couch time, it's up to the girls. Obviously there must be some conditions, not necessarily chemistry and attraction, basically you need to speak a common language. Of course being a known customer helps, but it is not everything, she must have some liking towards you, even only enjoy the conversation with you. Personally I don't like public "exposure" and I enjoy filling the boring dead time between sessions talking to them, I think I've set records, LOL!

I too noticed that generally couch time is shorter now, at least with girls I was going with for the first time and / or who never saw me before, those who know me give me good chat time even without sessioning, and I'm not a frequent customer, I don't live in NRW (unfortunately).

Same as you, I noticed, in the 3 clubs, contrarily to what I was used to last year, when actually my room time was pratically always exceeding the allowance nearly anywhere, anyhow with whomever and anyway would never expire before the agreed minutes, is that now girls want to leave or try to leave the room when you unload, at least if it is the first time you go with them. Of course I try to hold them down, of course if they insist I let them go.

Enough for today, field reports will follow

Kaisar
03-17-14, 22:49
What are the girls like in these clubs? Are they comparable to the girls working in the bigger FKKs? Clubs like Oase, World, GoldenTime.

Do they speak English or German?

Dreams
03-19-14, 12:42
What are the girls like in these clubs? Are they comparable to the girls working in the bigger FKKs? Clubs like Oase, World, GoldenTime.

Do they speak English or German?No. The line up is more "normal" girls. May be a few are 7-8, but most others will be 5-6 (and some dogs). However, there will be more fuckable girls that you will be able to honour. If you are after optifucks divas, you better go to upmarket clubs. But the service there wll be far less good and far more expensive since any extra will be charged, while in here all extras provided by the girl, being CIM, COB, AO or anal, or whatever, is included in the 30 Euros.

Some girls will not speak much of eitherr German or English.

These are called AO clubs, because this service is openly available, but you don't have to abide. Girls will always ask "with or without", and you can choose.

For me those clubs are my favorites because: 1) there is always a few girls worth going with; 2) The cost structure is excellent. 110 or 120 for 3 sessions, all included (just check with the girl what she does before going up) 3) The girls are not prima donnas, thay are just much more natural that those in the big Hesse clubs. No sharks there. 4) I like the sofa policy: girls are not allowed to sit and chat in group, which can be intimidating if you want to interrupt and approach one. Here, each girl sits on a 2 seater, and if you are interested, just sit with her. After a few minutes, take your decision, stay or get up. Simple. Cons: hardly any food, no pools.

In summary, if what you want is being surrounded by 50+ beautiful naked ladies, in a luxurious environment, with pool, restaurant and the rest, don't go there.

If what you want is good fucking sessions at a reasonable price witt mostly accomodating and friendly girls (there are exceptions, of course) , those clubs may interest you.

Wanking
03-19-14, 23:05
I was there a few times when it was Partytreff Viersen a few years ago, pretty shitty set up that time. Website talks about parties but also mentions free entry so I guess you can walk in and have just one shag or whatever.

http://fkkclub-viersen.de/site/angebote/Fuck that didn't last long. Says it closed on the homepage.

http://fkkclub-viersen.de/

SwingerLover
03-20-14, 11:05
Fuck that didn't last long. Says it closed on the homepage.It says it's temporarily (= vorübergehend) closed.

EastGoing
03-20-14, 22:13
kaisar,

i can't help agreeing each and every word dreams wrote, from all points of view, and i fully share his opinions. maybe a bit optimistic about the quality of girls, but even there, it's true you will always find those 2-3 girls you need for your satisfaction, you don't need to have tens. in these clubs normally you don't have a big embarrassment of choice: a couple of them will outstand, which doesn't necessarily mean they are extremely beautiful, the rest of them will be more or less at the same level for fuckability or unfuckability. however, i don't know if i could have written any better than dreams, simply true and perfect, including the matter of languages. btw, i'm proud to inform the world that i learnt a bit of romanian, so now i have the chance to converse in nearly all european countries, especially western ones, since anywhere we go we are extremely likely to deal with romanian providers.

i entered the club in late afternoon, i had phoned before to make sure i could have some safety nets, just in case i caught desired girls on days off. as posted many times, german forums are filled with pratically daily updates, so i knew more or less who and what to expect. main target of the visit was raissa, beatified in those forums, joined the club only 3 months ago, new for me. second should have been elena, already met last winter when she was new, unfortunately she was off.

i was welcomed by nadja, a bulgarian brunette who has been working there with many breaks since a couple of years, i had never met her before. a pleasant sight, but she quickly abandoned me by the counter. normally girls opening the door, especially if you are new to them, try to hook you up, probably she realized, a bit by tk and a lot by going-to-room-denisa's smiles that i wasn't that new. the lights on the ceiling were off, i got an impression of grotty place that i never had in my previous visits. inside, at first glance i wasn't as happy as usual, few girls on sofas, none of them to my liking, and a couple of punters, a few couples obviously in the rooms. i followed the usual rites, starting from 60 euros entrance with one room included.

gaby on day off, denisa and nicole, both gained kgs (not that they were skinny before, but now they are not that attractive) , were the only ones left of the glorious team i had happily met last year, when there was quite good choice. i already knew about the several losses, i only forgot to ask about stefania, probably in that spot i would have finally accepted her avances, she had always been so kind to me and "courting" me, but i never chose her because a bit chubby, but her reviews, attitude and personality would have surely deserved. the scene was completed by the 3 long time milfs i have always seen, the dominican girl and a few new girls i didn't find interesting.

i didn't have too much time, nor (contrarily to normal) somebody to talk to or who could anyway entertain me, so i decided to proceed with the first room, in that moment only nadja available for my taste. no languages in common, no talks, no preliminaries on the couch since i had noticed she wasn't that kissable, just a nod and there we went. being the first ao session of this year, i knew i wouldn't have lasted that long, so i also took that into account, the good bullet would have been for raissa.

her body has very good shapes, especially her boobs are really proportionate, firm, definitely a good body. face is ok too, but when she jumped off the heels, i realized she's quite short, what a pity! after a few quick sort of kisses on my body, which i reciprocated on her boobs, she proceeded downstairs. nadja hasn't got a tongue, she has a blender, a light-sREP019d mixer, her tongue is a fury on your dick! at home i basically live on blowjobs, i'm used to them, got one even two evenings before the flight, i have been sucked hundreds of times by plenty of girls, but i don't remember many, if any, close to that. i was really sorry to tell her to stop what she was doing. i don't remember if she asked me for gummy, i'd say she didn't. a couple of positions, then, when i was close to the end, i moved to her asshole. she put some cream, i slided inside effortlessly, i even checked i wasn't in the "wrong" hole, lol!

i would have liked to count the words we told each other during our session, which lasted maybe 15 minutes. she wanted to go and i had no reason and no justification to try to hold her. in arabella, i'd say only with elena i had come out of the room before the allowed 30 mins, and anyway i think in her case we were at about 25. the lack of any kind of interaction helped me to establish the (negative) record.

it was quite a mechanical session, no passion, no communication, no hotness, but still i was satisfied and would tell you to try her. her only physical defect is her heigth, her mouth didn't inspire me but it wasn't any bad to look at. for the rest, she does all you ask her without any complaints, she phisically participates, i mean that she moves, she doesn't lay still like a corpse. and she's worth a try just for her blowing skills!

when raissa got free i called her by me. she's romanian. 18, long black hair, tall, slim, some 4-5 kgs more wouldn't hurt, pretty, sociable and plays with enthusiasm.

we spoke a little, then we started kissing and she wanted to go to the room. i realized she didn't want to stay too much with a punter, i had noticed how quick she was with the other customers, both in and out of the room. anyway, we had a great gfe session: dfk, caresses, several positions, participated, intense, not mechanical, even if i could feel her hurry. when i finally unloaded the time was nearly over, but i cuddled (withheld? sequestered?) her and played a little until due time. i must say she didn't make resistance, didn't try to escape nor called for help, lol!

eventually i got to know a couple of the new girls, then i paid the dues, dedicating the owed chat time, actually very short on that day if compaired to "normal", to the survivors of the "old glories". later, i got dressed to leave and the blonde one accompanied me to the door, we warmly greeted each other and she closed the door after i was out of her sight.

final conclusion: currently arabella is not that good anymore, as i had already written in my last posts, it is getting worse and worse. level of beauty has collapsed, service has worsened. the new girls are not as pretty, as friendly and as customer oriented as the ones that were there last summer. i could say that probably it is not easy to replace the various alexandra, carmen, bonnie and all the other ones whose names i don't even remember all.

inspite of my affection for it, arabella is not anymore on top of my list, but still i will visit it. raissa (in the overall) and elena (just for the body) are a good reason, and to me it's always nice to see the survivors of the glorious army of summer-autumn 2013.

Free Dude
03-20-14, 22:30
The problem with the clubs at the moment is that there are too many, which means the girls (and probably guys too) are spread a little thin. It used to be Arabella, Grimberg and Venus; but lately Alina, Verena and Romantica have been added (and Dietzenbach, which seems to have the best line up). You could easily make 3 good line ups (for a RTC) out of the different girls of the 6 clubs. But as I said it is spread a bit thin now, Bonnie is in Venus by the way. Which has some other good girls (Larissa, pretty Anna, Alexandra, sisters Lilly and Maya) , some others not there at the moment (Emma, Renata) or scared of by Barbara. Former Venus girls like Bianca, Michaela, Sarah, Flori are either in Romantica or Alina. I could name a few good girls in the other clubs as well, but it always feels like there is only 2/3 doable girls at the moment.

EastGoing
03-21-14, 19:44
I already wrote a couple of things about my return to VV in my second-last post. Again, before going I had phoned to make sure I could have safety nets (since in these clubs beauty is not abundant), supposed to be Laura, Bonnie and Alexa. We must consider that we talk about all inclusive service, for about 30 minutes, at the price of 30 euros! My round trip train tickets Duisburg-Wattenscheid or Duisburg-Gelsenkirchen cost 22 euros. VV is in Duisburg, with Strasserbahn I spend 3 euros, which probably should actually be 5, but I often try to "save" on public means.

I was opened the door by a bulgarian girl I didn't know, just half a smile, no words, she abandoned me by Barbara at the counter. She looked quietly fuckable, just a bit short, but proportionate, a possible candidate, considering average expected bodies.

Since stepping in the hall, and from my position in front of TK, my eyes "unconsciously" immediately looked ahead, over the bar, by the opposite sofa at the bottom of the hall. Laura was sitting on her sofa, already scanning me. Her witty eyes were penetrating me, surely she remembered seeing me in the past, but she looked like doubtful. She didn't remember well about me? Or she didn't know what to do with me this time?

The place was nearly empty, I could count hardly 5 girls and 2 punters, probably many rooms were busy. When I went downstairs I met a few girls. 2-3 were busy with laundry, but the other ones gave me the impression to be "hiding". 2 were alone in the sauna, never seen that, I thought they were not allowed.

Back upstairs, I slowly walked towards my "magnet", like if I was wandering randomly. When I saw she was fine with that, I went straight to her. A little preamble: she's very moody and unbelievably dickhead, which is probably what I like most in her, even if I reckon that staring at her eyes closely, possibly during a mish, should be charged as an extra. It's a sort of sadic experience, she's a real rebel and she gets offended very easily, inspite of being her provoking and maltreating you, she doesn't appreciate you reacting, not even as a joke. Once I had to "beg" her to forgimme and come in the room, once she didn't want me at all. She does if and what she wants, carelessly, you can't govern her, she's in control, not you, she chooses positions, what to do and what not, how long, you follow her instructions, not the contrary, etc, that works on the sofa as well as in the room.

I had met her for the first time in September. So, she said she remembered me but not the details, not difficult to believe, after months, she being such a dickhead and meeting, probably with her normal unkindness, hundreds of men. I remembered she had one tooth missing on the right side of the upper arcade, now I noticed there were another 2 missing going towards the inside, a poor one was left alone when she smiled too much. For the rest, apart slightly saggy boobs, but she's 32 and mother of 2, I would say that strictly phisically speaking, she's the best looking girl of VV, and surely not only in there: she's Romanian, tall, with a great backside, has a pretty beautiful face and eyes I get lost in. Even without getting a bit "fixed", she could well work in better clubs. She gave me a good looong funny couch time, basically maltreating me, LOL!

In the room, as I remembered, she categorically refused even to hear the word "condom". Her motto: "if you want to use that thing, you go with another girl". Thinking of that reminds me of some news you read sometimes, of sick girls willing to spread infections, recently I came across this:

http://www.kenyan-post.com/2014/03/shocker-university-female-student.html

But in such places doing such things, having such worries is quiet pointless: all it takes is one wrong person and all the club, and then all clubs, will be infected, punters included.

The session was good, unfortunately she had a cold with a bit blocked up nose, so little blowing and no kissing, but I couldn't complain (with her you couldn't anyway, LOL). We (she) didn't bother about time, I enjoyed some relaxing after session "fighting".

Then I looked for a peaceful hidden corner to rest, and I saw Bonnie, ex Arabella. She saw me, she was staring at me, I turned my head, I wanted to rest, also I remembered we had no common languages, I would have gone later to her, what would have I done on her sofa since we couldn't communicate? A friend of mine had sessioned with her in Wattenscheid, he had been quite satisfied but sorry for being unable to exchange 2 words. Our glances met quite a few times for more than an hour. I took note of the "absences", some I was aware of, some I wasn't. Bianca, if I recall well, is said to be in Romantica; I heard Aida has been sent away, I don't remember why; Alexandra ex Arabella left, so did Flori. I didn't know about Nathaly and other ones, of course I couldn't ask one by one, I had understood on the phone that another Alexa, who gets good reviews in german forums, was off. A couple of girls I had already had in past visits tried to hook me up, but I politely refused, I told them I was waiting for Bonnie.

When I felt "ready", I sat in the sofa near hers, waiting for her return. When she came back I greeted her using her real name, she was very cold and unresponsive, then left for a minute. A punter witnessing told me to try again. When she came back, I tried to tell her something, she said she spoke only german and turned her head. Got the message, I walked away.

I wasn't sure about what to do, I didn't feel very keen on making experiments, I wasn't really fancying the girls around. Maybe the girl who had opened the door when I arrived? It would have been a meeting without any communication, just mechanical, without particular fun or participation, no comments, nothing but action, probably cold, like the one with Nadja in Arabella. I headed towards her. She was by the drinks machine, but then Laura walked beside going to her sofa. What a striking difference! WTF, I knew what was the right choice, I had always known it, since the beginning, moreover after giving a look around to the available girls. During rest time I had even bothered to find a German fellow to ask Barbara if I could session twice with the same girl, because it wasn't clear, I had already sessioned with her twice in the same day, but it was last year. Also, that day she was in "good" mood and she hadn't even hurt me, LOL!

Final consideration: the club has lost a lot of talents, and beauty (which wasn't anyway that much also before) is not really something you can expect to see in there. I saw less unfuckable girls than in the past, this time the girls were just fuckable, with more or less effort and fantasy, and didn't seem too enthusiastic, didn't send out good vibes, the atmosphere was quite cold. There's been a moment the music stopped for some 30 seconds, there was an embarrassing absolute silence, inspite of nearly all sofas having a punter or a girl sitting, everyone on their own. Laura must have been away, because she can't keep her mouth shut, even if no dicks are around, LOL! She surely would have commented, loudly. Anyway, back to beauty, it is in beholder's eyes, and this works especially in these clubs, so. It's up to you...

I saw also new girls, but without Laura, outstanding phisically and being the only one talking to other girls on other sofas and keeping people awake with her loud voice, at the moment I don't know if I'd go there. More than half of my permanence that day was with her, mostly on the sofa.
Let's just say that anyway prices and service are worth a visit, you can expect a lot for your dick, but not for your eyes

BigBuddy69
03-21-14, 21:21
@ Eastgoing : You're right, it was Wednesday the 5th. For the price change, I noticed it after my second or my third session I don't remember, it was in the middle of the afternoon.

Capt Dan
03-22-14, 03:33
I had met her for the first time in September. So, she said she remembered me but not the details, not difficult to believe, after months, she being such a dickhead and meeting, probably with her normal unkindness, hundreds of men. I remembered she had one tooth missing on the right side of the upper arcade, now I noticed there were another 2 missing going towards the inside, a poor one was left alone when she smiled too much. For the rest, apart slightly saggy boobs, but she's 32 and mother of 2, I would say that strictly phisically speaking, she's the best looking girl of VV, and surely not only in there: she's Romanian, tall, with a great backside, has a pretty beautiful face and eyes I get lost in. Even without getting a bit "fixed", she could well work in better clubs. She gave me a good looong funny couch time, basically maltreating me, LOL!

Let's just say that anyway prices and service are worth a visit, you can expect a lot for your dick, but not for your eyesChap,

I would not go with her even if it were for free. Disregarding the description of this woman's status and appearance (saggy boobs. 32, mother of 2) , one wonders that if you visit with her for a third time, by then will she have any teeth left? One also questions why she is loosing teeth. Certainly not from DFK. Is the Tooth Fairy responsible for this dental loss or perhaps a more sinister cause? As you suggest, if this is the best that is on offer in this club, you are very welcome indeed!

I fully realize that what occurs in the more glamorous mega-clubs would surprise many in this forum but at least the plushness (of the mega-clubs) and the attractiveness of the hookers in these mega establishments, allows the punter to escape from the cares and realities of day to day existence. The grotty and grotesque feeling I get when reading your report about Villa Venus would make me steer way clear of this establishment. I certainly commend your writing skills, but I wish your subject matter was more in line with what I believe the majority of members (who frequent the Germany FKK Clubs Section) wish to read about in this forum (that is nice times, with attractive girls in nice surroundings). Although I do realize that some will not like me saying this and indeed some will relish the prospect of following in your footsteps. Despite having said all of the above, nevertheless I commend you for writing as you have with some style (although it does transgress occasionally into the realm of prostitute poetry). I certainly do wish you well, good health and happiness.

CD

EastGoing
03-24-14, 17:59
Thanks for your answer, BB69.

CD,

thanks for your feedback and appreciation. Surely what you say is not wrong, and is agreeable by many points of view. Some of my "answers" are already written, by me and also by Dreams: we talk about 30 euros for all inclusive hassle-free shark-free service. The "passion" and effort girls put in these clubs is unmatchable by the better looking girls of the glamorous clubs.

A) dealing with a more expensive, hurried, probably wooden girl,

Be) who will give me a minor service and less options inspite of some, not all, additional expensive available extras,

See) knowing that I'm highly likely not to finish (ok, that's my personal problem with condoms) , as it happened to me in Artemis, where I unloaded once out of 3 sessions, with "only" 260 euros damage because I didn't take any extras,

Those things don't attract me, and make me rather these small clubs, whose girls also have a much friendlier attitude. I can't imagine a girl in Artemis or Oase staying on the couch with me just as a company for a few hours, without paying her, maybe without even sessioning with her. Aside personal records, in bigger clubs when you approach or get approached and you are not going to "proceed", you will be instantly dumped, in these clubs you (or at least it happens to me with some of the girls, of course not all) can even just chat as a past time.

I just report what happens to me, what I feel, it can be liked or not, I respect other people's tastes and opinions, hoping they respect mine too.

As to health issues, as I said, a wrong person, man or girl, is enough to spoil plenty of people. As I wrote, some concerns exist but you must leave them out, the solution would be safe sex, the best solution would be chastity or wanking.

Thanks for your wishes, I will need more than that, LOL!

Soon I'll post about my visit in Grimberg, which was in the overall the best of the 3, maybe you will like it more, but I don't think there will be much poetry this time :-)

Breadman
03-24-14, 20:07
The "passion" and effort girls put in these clubs is unmatchable by the better looking girls of the glamorous clubs.I won't agree with you on this but I know where your coming from. I used to do all the smaller clubs, fkk cocoon, zeus and heavens gate to name a few. The service was top notch and you could find some lookers in the clubs. And 30 euro's per session was easy on the budget. Problems arose when the larger clubs started opening, made it harder to find the quality talent along with the cheaper rates. And its very hard to spend an entire day in these small clubs. The facilities just don't cut it. Now that airfare is triple what I used to pay, I'd rather spend my time at the larger clubs.

Capt Dan
03-25-14, 00:55
I guess I also understand where you come from on this issue EastGoing.

However, generally speaking, choice of good looking hookers can be very limited in these smaller clubs. A lot of the girls will not speak English (or sometimes German even). Club food / facilities are also (generally speaking) very limited and can leave a lot to be desired by comparison with the mega-clubs. You are basically getting bareback and couch-time and an inexpensive price in clubs like Arabella / Venus / Grimberg and are prepared (generally speaking) to accept lesser looking women in order to achieve these benefits. Some of us do not want bareback (or know how to get same in the mega-clubs) and are either not needing excessive couch-time with these girls (because they are hookers and not girlfriends) or are prepared (or have the budget) to pay for same. Also do not automatically assume that couch-time is not available to well known customers particularly during quieter days. IMO it comes down to this; you are prepared (sometimes) to accept lesser looks in return for a lesser fee and bareback / couch-time. Others (like myself) are prepared to pay a bit more for good looks extra services and better facilities. The above statements are generally speaking and I am aware that there are exceptions applicable to all of the above statements.

I wish you well.

CD

Dreams
03-25-14, 11:52
I guess I also understand where you come from on this issue EastGoing.

However, generally speaking, choice of good looking hookers can be very limited in these smaller clubs. A lot of the girls will not speak English (or sometimes German even). Club food / facilities are also (generally speaking) very limited and can leave a lot to be desired by comparison with the mega-clubs. You are basically getting bareback and couch-time and an inexpensive price in clubs like Arabella / Venus / Grimberg and are prepared (generally speaking) to accept lesser looking women in order to achieve these benefits. Some of us do not want bareback (or know how to get same in the mega-clubs) and are either not needing excessive couch-time with these girls (because they are hookers and not girlfriends) or are prepared (or have the budget) to pay for same. Also do not automatically assume that couch-time is not available to well known customers particularly during quieter days. IMO it comes down to this; you are prepared (sometimes) to accept lesser looks in return for a lesser fee and bareback / couch-time. Others (like myself) are prepared to pay a bit more for good looks extra services and better facilities. The above statements are generally speaking and I am aware that there are exceptions applicable to all of the above statements.

I wish you well.

CDSo, basically, we agree.

Those clubs offer different services than those other big ones. And it is nice to have a choice.

For years, ignoring even the existence of those "cheap" NRW clubs, I used to go to all the big ones, in the FRA area, plus Artemis, Colosseum etc. I started to get tired of those, especially as I became older, and finding it difficult to cum inside with a condom. Which meant that I had to pay at least 100 if not more per session, just to COB, and this after hard negociation in the middle of the act. I am not going to VV or similar places for AO, but for the relaxing, non-sharked, all included atmosphere

But what you say is right, if one wants a large choice of optifucks, with uncertain quality of services, and no extras, big clubs are better.

Again, to each his own, and thanks to those in this forum who exposes only facts, without judgment, leaving each reader to decide for himself.

EastGoing
03-26-14, 04:09
CD,

Everything you say is correct and I agree. Everybody got their own opinion and preferences.

I express my points:

Precisely because these clubs can be quite boring, I need and enjoy some "company", not because I want or I look for grilfriends, and surely a female company is better than a male one. Also, I guess we don't go in clubs to approach men, LOL!

Especially in these small clubs, punters stay on their own, are normally quite older than me and don't look too keen on conversations, probably many can speak only german. If there was a big garden or a pool it wouldn't make that difference to me, maybe a table tennis or football table would, but still I would have to find someone to join me. Wi-fi would be good, but, agreeable or not, I don't travel to go in clubs where I'm surrounded by naked women ready to do anything (or a bit less than anything if the club is not AO) to play table tennis or surf the net. I go, shoot my bullets, fill the recharging time as well as I can but still exhaminating the girls' looks and behaviours and then leave, unless I get entertained in conversations. 4-5 hours are normally even too many for me, in any case.

That's why I also avoid Club Angelique, the smallest of those I have visited: not only because it is more expensive, but because girls will not give me any extra time, nor before not after. They stay in a personnel room and they normally come out when the bell rings. Once a choice is made, or you make it clear you are not going to the room in the following 2 minutes, they go back in there or anyway sit at a "safety distance".

I can command, at different levels, but even the lowest is well more than decent. 4 languages and I bothered to learn little Romanian, girls appreciate it a lot, they are favourably impressed, which gives me a further edge. I know nothing of bulgarian and pratically nothing of german, which is why I prefer to avoid zimmering bulgarians,"if I can". Anyway, when I defined a probable cold session the one I could have had with the bulgarian girl in VV and the one I had in Arabella, I compared them to what I could expect with a girl I can talk to. I would have given a good score to Nadja's session, in a different context or place: she carried out the task efficiently, without sparing any energy, without any hassle.

However, personally speaking, I go in clubs for the girls, I don't care too much about environments and facilities, I couldn't stay too many hours anyway. The only times I did that, in Oase and World, it was because I was with a pal, but I found it heavy and boring anyway, and kept tampering him for leaving after 4-5 hours, he wanted to stay until closing time!

I know food is pratically inexistent, I eat before and after. I don't care about drinks, saunas, furnitures, roman columns or red carpets, crystal chandeliers or simple bulbs, marbles or stones. I want to have peace of mind, nice time and, most important, sexual satisfaction, I could do that even in a cave or in the woods (done it, LOL!).

I know more or less what to expect in these minor clubs, that's why I phoned in advance checking for safety nets. I sacrifice beauty for service, not really for the money, even if I don't even want to try to imagine how much an Artemis stunner would ask for an AO session, maybe with CIA. Anyway normally at least a couple of girls outstand the other ones (I don't need to shoot 8) and they could compete in better clubs. In my described last VV visit there was one only, I took her twice and was happy.

If prices of VV and Oase were the same, or even Oase cheaper, maybe out of 10 trips I could fly once, max twice for Burgholzausen, but I guess the following day (if not the same one) I would head to Dietzenbach or NRW, as I already did in the mentioned accompanied trip.

Mind you, I consider beauty very important, but that is not all and may not be enough, on the contrary it would upset me a lot to be fished by a shark or to session with a stunner without unloading.

Anyway, tastes are tastes, but normally in AO clubs I have been with girls who were at least reasonably fuckable (honestly it has happened that it took a little effort) , no unfuckable ones, the "worst" ones anyway compensated with the service. AOing alone makes a big difference, but of course I'm not going to fuck a cow. Also, some of them were very fuckable: I'm quite sure that if you saw VV's Laura dressed and not smiling too much among the other girls outside before Oase's opening time you would consider sessioning with her, but even naked you'd give her a look, especially if you saw her from behind.

Furthermore, a few of the "very fuckable" ones told me that they moved (or stay) in these clubs from the normal and bigger ones because they work much more, let's hope more will follow. In big clubs they have great competition in quality and quantity, maybe they make 4 customers in one day, while in RTC clubs they can make even 15-20. Yes, I know, it's extremely riskier, but this is another issue.

Just my opinion

Jimmy Boy 99
03-26-14, 05:01
[QUOTE=EastGoing; 1547256]That's why I also avoid Club Angelique, the smallest of those I have visited: not only because it is more expensive, but because girls will not give me any extra time, nor before not after. They stay in a personnel room and they normally come out when the bell rings. Once a choice is made, or you make it clear you are not going to the room in the following 2 minutes, they go back in there or anyway sit at a "safety distance".

While it's true that many times the girls don't all hang around the main reception room, I have been there when the girls were dancing to the music, and generally at least some girls are in the main reception room most times. Also, once you make your selection, you can go to the glass-enclosed room (I think it's the smoking area) and make out for a while with the girl before going to have sex (I also made out with Kathi on the couch in the main reception room and nobody batted an eye).

BigBuddy69
03-26-14, 20:58
I agree with JB. Most of the time the girls are in the main reception room. Last time Vanessa danced a bit (and I had a wonderful view on her perfect tits). And with Kathi you can have a lot of couch kissing, even if I am growing tired of her. If you play it "safe" and if you go to CA on a Sunday or on a Tuesday, for 70 € you can have one hour with a hot girl willing to please. Most of the girls are really better looking than in VV.

Too bad that last time with Lisa at the reception, I had to pay for some overtime even if I looked at my watch and I'm pretty sure it was for 5 minutes maximum.

Free Dude
03-26-14, 21:08
I always go on Sundays or Tuesdays. Still not really a club for extended stay, but you can have a lot of couch time with Kathi. Especially if you are early, almost half an hour yesterday. I do notice that with other girls it can be a bit more straight forward, with Alice for instance I usually have no couch time at all. She is quitting on the 9th of April BTW, so if you have to hurry if you want to say goodbye (had a nice farewell session yesterday as well). There is really no comparison with the RTC clubs, service is similar but much better looking girls in Angelique.

I'm always a bit suspicious about the time, since with showering and cleaning up we are typically a few minutes over the (half) hour. Thusfar it had always been handled beautifully (IE the room time).

EastGoing
03-27-14, 00:08
Good for you guys.

I was there twice, last summer, and I said just what happened to me. I remember Alice, working also as TF, looking badly and calling back one of the girls I was trying to talk to because it was clear I wasn't going to session or anyway not with her. Again, each of us can receive different treatment for different reasons.

I agree that girls are better looking than RTCs (it doesn't take that much) , at least in average, surely in this period. I'm not so sure about the service being the same, in quality. And sessions are 20 mins, no? I may go and check out.

Why is Alice quitting? Not because of some disease, eh?

70 euro for 1 hour? Not AO I suppose.

BTW, did any of you get AO in the room, as a "bonus" or with an "undeclared" payment?

EastGoing
03-27-14, 00:15
on the last day of my blitz i had a few doubts about the destination. i would have liked to try a place new to me: romantica, anubis, verena, i considered love factory too. but pics i could find on internet were not encouraging, i couldn't see safety nets and i've noticed that posts in german threads are often too "enthusiastic", speaking of the girls i've seen by my own eyes, maybe because they are written by resident old lads who can be happy with very little, optically speaking. also, the trips would have been longer and a bit more difficult. i wasn't keen on returning to vv, because it probably would have meant, when summing up, that i had flied for laura, which of course i didn't. i wasn't keen either on arabella, where i would have taken raissa and elena, if she hasn't got fat, surely worth but both already met, and the last visit had left me a bit sad. i don't know if that was due to the near extinction of my beloved troops, to noticing that the survivors had turned overweight, to the dim lights (lol!) , or what else.

what about grimberg? i had been there only once, at least i knew the place and how to get there. i headed there thinking it wouldn't have been a good choice, a great day. if i hadn't been that happy at "home" and had had to take twice an old acquaintance in vv, what could i expect from a club i pratically never considered? i already said i don't like the fact that you can't keep an eye on what goes on because it is REP001tered into small rooms. i remembered also that there were no real outstanding girls, anyway i had checked german sites for help and phoned to ask about supposed safety nets.

worth noticing that if you arrive in gelsenkirchen hbf, the same strasserbahn, if i'm not mistaken 301, will take you to grimberg in one direction and to arabella (i considered that an additional safety net) in the opposite one, both cases take 7-8 stops.

so, you get off at the zoo, it's in front of you. you walk towards the right following its perimeter, then walk past the near church, follow the road and turn left to the intersection. i think from there you already see the number, 12, some 50 meters on the opposite side of the road. about 5 minutes walking.

i was opened the door by eva, a bulgarian girl i had already had in my previous trip. she recognized me, but we couldn't communicate. after going through the procedures, i started walking around. nothing special or new to report from the point of view of the place and its ambience, but the girls were cheerful and smiling, relaxed atmosphere. it didn't take long before i got in touch with famous lily. romanian, i think she's hardly 150 cm, slim, with a pretty face, funny, witty, nice, supposed to give great service. after a little smooching she asked me if i wanted a friend of hers to join us.

actually it was something i had set as an objective of this trip, together with cia (s) , i never had a 3some before (when i'm lucky we are two, lol!) , but i had always been expecting it to happen in arabella, or possibly in vv, not in grimberg. talking about last year, i had been always "scared" in bochum, they were already killing me one against one, what would have i done alone against two of those panthers? and what couple would i have chosen or found available? i was always postponing, and in vv i couldn't imagine myself between laura and aida, who was as tall as me but also proportionate on the strong built side. i would have ended up torn apart.

so, i thought the friend would have been katy, since i had already had her (good session by the way, but she was slimmer last year) and i knew they were friends, i asked who the candidate was before accepting. she called her, to my surprise that was another girl, i think micaela, pretty friendly smiling face, for the rest "a bit" chubby. ok, wtf, there are more beautiful girls in the club (!) than these two, but they sounded ok, i could easily communicate with both, they were very cheerful and a set couple, both young and perfectly kissable, maybe other girls wouldn't do 3somes or there could be other problems. also, since i was virgin, i would have felt less embarrassment than if i had sessioned with more beautiful and / or more aggressive girls. these two were young, seemed quite handy, respectful, obedient, pacific, they wouldn't have abused me nor forced me to do anything i wouldn't like. i didn't know where to start from, what to do, the only sure thing being i wouldn't daty any of those oversprayed pussies.

in the room things luckily went more or less as imagined. under my shy directions, they took very little initiative: one taking care of my dick and one of my mouth, then they swapped, then both performing oral. eventually i fucked both doggie while kissing the other one, they also kissed each other, a couple of pussy swappings and then i sprayed a bit in one mouth a bit in the other one, like in movies. they spitted. ok, i hadn't asked for swallowing, cum swapping or other stuff. there were about 10 minutes left, i tried to suggest to carry on, lily said it could be enough, i didn't insist.

then i got "hooked up" by 2 german guys, more or less my age, we had a nice time exchanging opinions and experiences, many laughters, when sitting on our own in the outside garden (it wasn't cold) and also sitting back in sofas inside with girls around. after a couple of hours we went back to action. i had already made gestures to angie that i would go with her eventually. i thought she was bulgarian, no chance to communicate, but she said she was also half romanian, good, funny for me and for her to have only romanian as "common" language. the girl is quite fuckable to my taste: slim, proportionate, not short, with cute angel face. she started offering me her asshole since walking to the room, and she insisted a lot, i still wonder why. i mean that, when girls ask to finish in their mouths rather than in their pussies, i suppose they don't want to go to wash their pizdas, but in this case i wouldn't know what to think. laura had asked me in both sessions to finish in her mouth, but i had managed to get her permission to finish where i was and i had kept her in the room with my, actually our, children swimming inside her.

so, after normal smooching, caressing, oral and vaginal sex, i triumphally finished ciaing. quite a good session, in my next trip she will be considered safety net number one in grimberg.

my colleagues were sweating in the sauna. katy, who had been quiet busy, recognized me and kindly wanted to talk to me, we had had very long couch time last year. i apologized i was going to leave very soon. when i was ready to go, she stood up from her couch to come to kiss me on my mouth. in the few metres from the counter to the exit, the 3 girls of that day came to accompany me and all of them mouthkissed me. wow. 4 in 5 metres, in less than a minute. when i was a youngster i would have dreamt such a thing.
when i was winning gold medals at wankers olympic games watching porn movies, i would have never thought that one day i could have done something similar. ok, i hadn't been with anita blonde, tera patrick or jenna jameson, i hadn't performed great stuff, but i would have killed for much less in those days :-)
also, how many men in their life experience an uncovered 3some? even followed by a bareback all-holes-excursion with final cia...

that's all for now

Vito Corleone
03-27-14, 00:16
I'm not so sure about the service being the same, in quality. And sessions are 20 mins, no?20 min limit is only on all inclusive days.

Vito Corleone
03-27-14, 01:39
I've noticed that posts in german threads are often too "enthusiastic", speaking of the girls I've seen by my own eyes, maybe because they are written by resident old lads who can be happy with very little, optically speaking.Great TR EG!

I also wonder what on earth they see in some of the girls they rave about.

You should have tried out Romantika & Alina. Roxana (FloriatVV) atRomantika & Alina (Bianca VV) at Alina both provide good looks, nice bodies & great service. Not sure about public trans, but worth a try on your next visit.

Jimmy Boy 99
03-27-14, 03:12
Good for you guys.

I was there twice, last summer, and I said just what happened to me. I remember Alice, working also as TF, looking badly and calling back one of the girls I was trying to talk to because it was clear I wasn't going to session or anyway not with her. Again, each of us can receive different treatment for different reasons.

I agree that girls are better looking than RTCs (it doesn't take that much) , at least in average, surely in this period. I'm not so sure about the service being the same, in quality. And sessions are 20 mins, no? I may go and check out.

Why is Alice quitting? Not because of some disease, eh?

70 euro for 1 hour? Not AO I suppose.

BTW, did any of you get AO in the room, as a "bonus" or with an "undeclared" payment?Entrance 20 Euro. 30 Euro for 20 minutes. 50 Euro for 30 minutes. 80 Euro for 60 minutes. 10 Euro discount on 30 and 60 minute sessions on Sundays and Tuesdays. FKK day on Thursdays. AO 30 Euro extra, irrespective of session time. Never asked for or got a "bonus" AO and no girl has ever asked for it privately.

EastGoing
03-29-14, 04:03
I just read again my old post of last summer, and I gave a look at freiercafe, google traslate helped enough. So I was remembering right, prices included (thanks JB). Maybe girls dance in the evening, or if there are a few men around. Anyway, there seem to be quite a few possible problems, at least from my point of view. A guy on freiercafe opened my eyes about anal, CIMs (Alice had refused it to me last year) , kissing, etc. It's not that clear who does what according to what, if I'll be asked for extras on top of AO, which, with the mentioned limitations, costs 30 euros more but you cannot finish inside if you take the shortest option. Even timekeeping could be a problem. It may be stressful, complicated and surely would cost 2-3 times what I would fork out in a RTC, even if it was a Tuesday. Girls in the overall maybe better, but I'll feel more comfortable in the other AO clubs. Taking one by one those I had seen, any of them could be working in RTC's, Alice being probably the best (but worst for attitude and service!) , they would have been in the cathegory of the "quietly fuckable". Let's say that watching photos portraying the whole team of those clubs, you would surely choose Angelique Club, but individually, they are not worth twice or more the ones I mentioned as outstanding, who have nothing to envy to them, if not the contrary. Some other ones can be at level, surely giving me a hassle free service.

So I'm afraid I won't be able to greet Alice, last year I had taken her just to blow me as a sort of "come on and just suck my dick, xxxxx " for annoying me and the girls I was trying to talk to. But I'm sure, by looking at her face and eyes, that she can give great sessions, but with me she wouldn't have done it anyway, I think.

Vito,

When I wrote "german threads" I actually meant german forums, but maybe you suggest somehow my statement could be applied also for the german threads here as well? LOL!

I posted my meeting with Bianca, last summer, not the one with Flori, last autumn, which was peaceful, quite plain, I wasn't that attracted. It's true that there is nothing wrong with her, nor phisically nor from any other point of view, but I wouldn't session again with her, she doesn't make me tick. I'm not 100% sure of where to go on my next trip, but probably you won't be surprised if I go again in the 3 I visited recently :-)

Jimmy Boy 99
03-29-14, 18:42
I just read again my old post of last summer, and I gave a look at freiercafe, google traslate helped enough. So I was remembering right, prices included (thanks JB). Maybe girls dance in the evening, or if there are a few men around. Anyway, there seem to be quite a few possible problems, at least from my point of view. A guy on freiercafe opened my eyes about anal, CIMs (Alice had refused it to me last year) , kissing, etc. It's not that clear who does what according to what, if I'll be asked for extras on top of AO, which, with the mentioned limitations, costs 30 euros more but you cannot finish inside if you take the shortest option.When they danced I think I was the only guy around. Whenever I have been there (and I usually am there for at least 6 hours so I can do my three sessions) there is almost never more than one other guy there. The usual M. O. Is for a guy to walk in, look around, choose the girl and go to the room, unless he opts to go to the smoking area in the main reception room to make out first. There has never been one who hung out the whole I have been there.

Regarding extras, the first girl I had there a year ago told me anal was 100 Euro and CIM was 50 Euro, but I don't know if these are standard prices or her prices, since she tried to cheat me out of the Tuesday discount and did overcharge me 10 Euro for AO. However, DFK, BBBJ, DATY, and coming inside has always been included, and since I prefer CIP to CIM, I don't care if there is a CIM charge. I never take the 20 minute session, so I don't know anything about no CIP in a 20 minute session, but how is the girl going to prevent you from coming in her pussy when you're banging her?

EastGoing
03-30-14, 16:52
but how is the girl going to prevent you from coming in her pussy when you're banging her?This question would work also for CIM. The difference is that in her pussy there are no teeth to punish you :-)
But still you could have annoying discussions or troubles which probably you don't look for, even if it was just paying a surcharge or making the girl not want to session with you anymore.

After being tempted by "greeting" Alice and trying the mentioned Kathy or some other girls new to me, I definitely made up my mind in not going back there. Not only because there will probably be an invasion of punters on the last discounted days of her stay, but because 50euros (or 40) for 30 mins + 30 for BB and limitations, traps, extras, unsureness about timekeeping, etc. Are more than good reasons to send me back where I'm used to or to try new clubs of the same kind where I can hopefully have the same peace of mind.

EastGoing
04-11-14, 04:00
I was in VV last Saturday. The entrance is 10 euros only if you go during happy hour, which is 10-12am and I'm not sure if also after 8pm, otherwise 60 euros with a zimmer included and 30 all the following ones.
I entered and noticed a few new faces from my last visit, for the first time I wasn't noticing girls who were quite overweight, actually not slightly either. Not that the general beauty was blinding me, but the quick first-glance was better than usual, nothing too attractive but also nothing too repellent. I guess that visits in these clubs are case-sensitive, I mean that apart girls coming and going, you may also miss those who are on vacation or on day off, if you are not a frequent visitor. The atmosphere seemed more relaxed from my last visit, maybe because there was another TF, who could even speak some english, instead of Barbara, who keeps on firing girls, I heard.

After the usual procedures I came upstairs to analyze the new arrivals, but unexpectedly from my back I heard the call of a girl who should have been on another sofa. Yes, it was Laura, I willingly postponed searches and sacrified. For Captain Dan's curiosity, I noticed a missing tooth on the left upper arcade, but I couldn't tell if it was a new absence or it was already missing, I think I just forgot to mention it when I posted about her dental panoramic. We had only some 40 minutes couch time. Besides us there was a cheerful blonde playing and joking with a guy, she seemed very funny, with great attitude, nice body and an ok face, I thought she would easily have been the second target. I declared it to Laura, who seemed not to agree that much, shortly after we went to the room. No kissing, she didn't have a cold this time, I made an attempt with little intention, she didn't want to and I didn't mind, I was thinking of Captain Dan, LOL! What would have he thought?

It was not a great session, a bit mechanical, but still I like her enough to be glad anyway.

Then I had some boring time and a little chat with Magda, I had fucked her last year. I was sure she had recognized me, instead she seemed not to. She's a sweet girl, but nothing special, I had chosen her for "desperation", since the price structure was the one when you must declare as soon as you enter how many sessions you are going to have. If I'm not mistaken she does anal too.

I scanned potential preys, there were 2 good candidates, but I had set my mind on the blonde, the discovery of her nationality (bulgarian) and lack of common languages made me doubt a lot. Zero couch time, I told her "zimmer" straight away, before I changed my mind: she had impressed me when she was dealing with the other guy, I rather blondes even if evidently fake and phisically she was ok, just slightly "dried off" boobs (something common in VV, at least in this visit, is it some sort of virus or a requirement to work there?). I wanted to challenge my luck... and I lost, as usual: no communication, no fun, just mechanical action. Was that Vicky, the girl I had admired a couple of hours before?
I got out of the room willingly, promising myself that I wouldn't session anymore with a girl I couldn't speak with, unless she was utterly better than her competitors.

I left the club after about 3 hours, not satisfied, I should have tried at least one of the other 2 new girls I had noticed, whose names I think were Sissy and Sara or Sandra, both romanians. I will, if I see them next time...

EastGoing
04-13-14, 21:58
On Sunday my initial plan was to visit Villa Romantica, something I wanted to do anyway, if not that day at least in this trip. For a second I considered Angelique Club, then I thought about returning to VV to try the 2 girls I had missed the day before. But in the end Arabella was my choice, I already had made an effort, an exception, not going there as soon as I had landed, I had betrayed for VV.

TF would have been Anna, very nice, english speaking, lot of time I didn't see her.

The door was opened by a pretty, young, slim, new Romanian girl, Alexandra. I stared at her in astonishment, she laughed but didn't try to hook me up instantly, probably because she's still "naive", also probably because she was surprised by my reaction of incredulity and because, after stepping in, I was assaulted by Raissa, who managed to quickly "extort" me the committment for zimmer fractions of seconds before I received the hugs of Gaby and Denise. WTF, so nice to be back "home".

I finally managed to cover the hardly 3 meters from the entrance to the counter and greeted Anna. The other customers were smiling and laughing for the welcome I had been given, they were sitting alone on empty couches, I had 4 chicks around me and I couldn't move :-) The scene from outside must have been really funny, they were sincerely enjoying it, they were nor disappointed nor envious, just amused, actually it was me envying their peace. Maybe because I look young (and behave even more "youngishly") , wherever I go girls often trespass certain limits of respect and confidence, feeling allowed to take approaches and initiatives, and in Arabella this can happen beyond "decency". I hadn't had a look around yet, and I already had had to declare that I couldn't have gone with all of them. They were just the first 4 I've met just entering, what if there had been other candidates, maybe other new valid girls? Before going to get changed, I tried to tell Raissa not to wait for me, but when I came back upstairs she literally jumped on me, she had been diabolically waiting for me by the entrance, on top of the stairs. We landed on a couch, I opened my mouth like to yell or say something and... got her tongue down my throat. I surrendered to the power of "love", LOL!

Once again, I could notice the envies, the rivalries that there are in clubs: about customers' choices,"stealing" from colleagues, expected interventions of TF, etc. In Arabella, maybe because it is small, with a "familiar" atmosphere, or maybe because it's the place I frequent more and with the highest "interaction", I always notice, feel, even hear at times, the "consequences" of choices customers make. Many times girls spoke to me about "that b*t*h", referring to some other girls, guilty of being too "active", too "enterprising", unrespectful of rules, priorities and "properties" ("that guy is my customer and she stole him"). I even heard more than once alleged charges of "that girl" having diseases or going with too many men daily (which would increase her chances to catch something) , as if that could make a difference in such clubs with such promiscuity. Bah.

In the room we had a great GFE session, this time she wasn't in a hurry, maybe also because something "strange" happened. My offspring flowed into her, but she didn't realize it, less than 10 minutes left. Ok, having orgasms daily and repeatedly will not make you squirt litres, but still it had never happened to me that an AO girl wouldn't feel the unloading. I carried on a little bit after changing position and playing her a little, just to overcome the post-orgasm sensitiveness of my dick. We both gave a look to the watches, she was worried time would run out without me finishing, I "reassured" her that Anna wouldn't tell her off for staying longer with me, but I forgot other girls may, and this time surely would. Or she just wanted to go, we had already stayed too long for her standards? You should have seen her face and her reaction when I told her that I was done, giving her "evidence": I fingered her pussy, then showed her and made her smell the fluids. I must say that the cocktail of our juices smelt great, LOL! She jumped out of bed and got ready to leave the room like if there had been a bomb ticking, LOL, while discussing this unusual thing.

Back in the hall, I had to face a fierce court processing me for going twice consecutive (last girl of my last visit and first one of that day) with the same girl, furthermore with the aggravating circumstance that she wasn't an "old glory". I have noticed, also in other clubs, that these girls have an incredible memory, remembering who has gone with whom, when, how many times, in what order, etc. Do they take notes? Even girls I had never been with and a couple of new ones (!) complained, who more kindly who less, about my choice because I should vary! Gina, a too "lively" girl new to me, took plenty of "risky freedom" with me: even if I could tolerate her behaviour, TF could kick her out, since some other customers and girls were not enjoying her jumping on me, harassing me noisily, etc. Apart from her, I thought the matter was a joke, but somebody was really serious. The fact that I also declared that the mentioned Alexandra would have been the second and last target didn't help soothing the atmosphere.

BTW, I got informed that Elena should be on holiday, but she's lost in space since long time and therefore not expected back. What a great loss! She had such a body and was so pretty, maybe she realized she was wasted in such clubs for so little money per session, even if surely she was the most zimmered girl of the club. Stefania left the club, while sweet Nicole has been sent away because in last times she wasn't making more than 2-3 rooms a day. I was told she should be in Romantica too, which seems to host all the refugees of the other older clubs. Pratically going there would basically mean to meet some girls I already know, just in a different environment, which made me decide to further postpone my debut over there.

For the first time, nobody accompanied me to the exit (the 2 honeys of that day were busy) , anyway, once again it was a matter of catching the right day, the crew was much better than my last visit and, as usual, I will go back to Arabella willingly in my future trips. Whoever is there and whatever happens, at least I'm sure I will not have boring time, LOL!

Optimist
04-13-14, 23:25
Returned to her after a three year gap. Made four sessions with her and just loved her crazy enthusiasm. Where else can one get a session including enthusiastic anal and public sex for 30 euros a shot. She is of course the most popular girl there, with other customers doing repeat sessions with her. She was really worth the trip. Not sure about the soundness of her politics but I didn't encourage that. Highly recommended.

Went with another girl also but that was just average for one of these clubs

BuffaloJunk
04-15-14, 02:42
I will be making my 2nd trip to NRW region and was wondering if the girls are available to take back to your hotel? My last visit I made a connection with a girl and was too shy to ask. Is this possible, and if so, what is the usual cost? Does it have to be at a certain time? Are girls allowed to do this on their day off?

Thanks!

EastGoing
04-16-14, 02:19
I will be making my 2nd trip to NRW region and was wondering if the girls are available to take back to your hotel? My last visit I made a connection with a girl and was too shy to ask. Is this possible, and if so, what is the usual cost? Does it have to be at a certain time? Are girls allowed to do this on their day off?

Thanks!I assume you are talking about the girls working in these clubs, not in NRW generally.

First of all, these clubs open at 10 o'clock in the morning and close at 23 (even later if they are busy) , on fri and sat at midnight. Normally girls are supposed to stay from opening until closing, it's not like in normal FKKs where you have shifts, day and night. So not much spare time left, no? Your only chance is the only day off they take in the week.

Second, it is absolutely forbidden to exchange numbers and / or meet outside, since the club would lose your entrance fee and the girl's entrance fee of that day, which should be 80 euros in total. There is not "bar fine" like in Thailand and Philippines.

Of course in the room you are alone and you can do and say what you want. If you do it, expect about 100 euros per hour, of course it will be difficult for the girl to accept only 1 or 2 hours. Transportation costs to be discussed and maybe the time necessary to join you could count too.
In the club it would be much cheaper and more worth it, since normally you pay only for the room and not for couch or recovery time. I must have understood that some customers pay also for extended couch time, but I don't know how it works, I always got it free. I know that, even if you are going to make 2 consecutive sessions with the same girl, you have to come out of the room, even only for 5 minutes, otherwise you will be charged 120 euros for one hour (instead of the normal 60), couch time will not be considered for that calculation.
However, it's up to the girl, it depends also on distances, on their "boyfriends", etc. In general, anyway, you'd better stay in the club and session with her repeatedly. As you can read, Optimist took Angie 4 times!

I'll soon post my recent Grimberg visit.

P.S. You wrote you already visited once. Where are your reports?

Breadman
04-16-14, 04:16
Second, it is absolutely forbidden to exchange numbers and / or meet outside, since the club would lose your entrance fee and the girl's entrance fee of that day, which should be 80 euros in total.My understanding of the club system in Germany is they are 'legal' since they charge 'everyone' for entrance, basically 'what goes on between two consenting adults' concept. The girls aren't 'employee's' of the club, they are 'guests'. So there shouldn't be any club interference with two consenting adults seeing each other outside the club. If the club does anything to either of the parties involved (assuming numbers were exchanged, they met outside the club and the club found out about the meeting) , would the club be risking their 'third party' status with the authorities?

Optimist
04-16-14, 14:16
Buffalo Junk. As Breadman says, the club cannot stop this happening; the girls are all self-employed. The girl may in certain circumstances be reluctant (personal code of ethics, pressure from club owners, domestic circumstances, boyfriends, safety concerns). The longer you have known the girl the cheaper it is likely to be. Top prices asked seem to be 1000 euro a day, which to my mind is a rip-off. Lowest price if you know a girl can be short (over a cup of coffee) meetings for free or 250 euro for a weekend at which point you are no longer in a business relationship). If you only want a short time then you would probably have to do it on her day off, when they are usually reluctant to work. In short, it all depends on you and the girl

As Eastgoing says, it sounds that repeat session in a club may work out cheaper and better. Unless you are after a personal relationship

Free Dude
04-16-14, 17:28
Yes, but we also know that this is less clear cut as you guys describe. In the RTCs they kick girls out all the time, in Dietzenbach (and sometimes Venus) you are not allowed to go with the same girl twice. Hourlong sessions are overpriced. All things that is bad for the girl you are interested in. If the clubs says: "meet up with a man outside and we kick you out", there is nothing anyone can do.

EastGoing
04-16-14, 18:10
Breadman and Optimist,

I speak out of what I personally know and what I see or I'm told, the latter could be mistaken or even false, but I hope you'll believe what I can write out of my personal experience.

I think what you say applies to normal FKKs, bigger ones, not AO, with many girls, who come and go probably when they want or anyway with more freedom. If 1 or 10 girls don't pop up in Oase, or arrive late, probably it will not be a problem, nor for them nor for the club. If this happens in Grimberg, where on my last visit I found only 10 girls, it would be a disaster.

I know girls are (supposed to be) self-employed, but in RTCs this is "less true". As I wrote about Elena in Arabella, you can consider her an ex, because she's been away too long and without giving info, which probably means that if she goes there tomorrow they will not let her in anyway.

I can tell you, by personal experience, that it can happen that girls with menstruations are "called" and "asked" to work anyway (in an AO club!) because the club that day is short-staffed or maybe it is a weekend day, otherwise... you guess it, yes?

If you read well through the lines, you'll understand I know what I talk about, amounts and figures included. As we all know, not everything is postable. I don't post many things that, luckily or not, I come or have come across, not to damage girls. I don't lie, but I withhold a lot, I'm sure I'm not the only one. I just post easy surface stuff, I don't post about facts and / or girls I reckon it is better not to make public, especially in their own interest.

I personally know little about normal FKKs, I've been too few times, but I've read a lot, things make sense. I'd dare to say that AO clubs are a world apart, many things don't make much sense, starting from the fact that you can get AO (LOL!): the matter of double price for one hour consecutive; the fact that sometimes you can't session twice with the same girl; the number of hours they have to stay there; the fact of having to work with menstruation and even if they don't feel well, etc. Once I sessioned with a girl whose pussy I could hardly penetrate because she had pains for fucking too much and also with a guy who broke her down with his big dick. She was new, in the business and in the club, she was afraid to refuse customers or leave, what a situation, I felt so sorry for her!

These little clubs can host a limited number of girls, and they want girls who make many zimmers a day. Nicole, who worked in Arabella for more than one year, was sent away because in the last 1-2 months was making only 2-3 zimmers a day, I guess they even took too long to show her the door, probably because she was a "veteran". Girls who make many rooms are allowed some more freedom, little rule-breaking, zimmer time, etc. Barbara, TF in VV, has recently established a sort of reign of terror, next time I go there I expect to see many other changes in the staff, maybe that is also due to availability of girls willing to work, for one who goes 2-3 go and ask, falling in line.

About the clubs being third party, well, I think they can refuse admittance, both to a customer, maybe slightly more problematic, and to a girl.

BTW, I remember reading in the past that in Arabella "coloured men" were not admitted. Last week I saw a sort of indian, maybe paki. 50+ years old.

Just my 2 cents

Hessen Bub
04-16-14, 20:42
Most clubs want girls and boys to visit the club and pay the Entrance. That's their business model. So if you meet a girl outside the club will lose money. Therefore they don't want you to meet outside. That results into some kind of action taken by the club. Some clubs are very strict and will throw the girl out (e. G. Artemis, RTC clubs and even Oase, if you didn't pay the "bar fine" of 130€).

HB

Vito Corleone
04-16-14, 22:55
Forget all the legal crap. Maybe the club cannot legally stop the girl from seeing a client in private. I know for sure if the club finds out, the girl will be black listed from all the RTC clubs. 95% of these women would not survive in a SC of FKK. Take away the RTC's & they are stuck with the all inclusive, red light, Oppumer strasse & etc?

Exchanging & arranging take out is easy, but must be done discretely (in the room & etc). The girl will basically threaten to gouge your eyes out if you mention this to anyone. There are other issues that Easy Going has mentioned that should be kept off a public forum.

There are some top of the line hotties that have told the club they are going back home or whatever & tried the SC's & FKK's. Some make it & survive, most return to the RTC. The prefer not to burn the bridge so they can return.

Optimist
04-17-14, 10:56
Yes, what VC, EG, HB say is I know correct. A club may stop a girl working, even though she is self-employed technically. When I was saying that a club cannot stop it what I meant is that a discreet arrangement is possible without the club knowing, but it would need to fit in with her work schedules and personal pressures. As EG says, the bigger the club the easier to arrange

EastGoing
04-17-14, 15:26
Ok, guys, let's go back to field reports, we all know enough what is like and what we can do in clubs we frequent. We are risking to confuse a guy who posted 9 "reports" in 9 years and was somewhere in NRW (without reporting) , so he has gained some experience.

To continue this discussion, perhaps we could move to German AO Lounge and Chat Area. Our supreme master SwingerLover opened it but it stays unused.

I just hope I didn't say anything too bad, I didn't mention any name of clubs or girls in the issues I think Vito was referring to, of course I don't mean to disclose things that a guy carrying such a nickname doesn't want to be known, LOL!

So, I went to Grimberg and was... unwelcomed by a young chubby fake blonde TF who could well mingle in the crew, but she still wouldn't make many zimmers. I just asked her if she could speak english, she answered in english "this is not the first time you come here" and carried on in german, babbling and gesturing quite unpleasantly. I was to leave, when I saw one of the 2 guys I had met on my last visit and decided to stay, his companionship alone is worth the entrance, really a happy coincidence to meet him again.

Girls were only 10, half of them busy. I noticed one only new face, for the rest nothing particularly interesting. Actually the new face wasn't that bad, but my friend told me to avoid her because of bad rushed service and hurry to leave. Another candidate was the other fake blonde (the other one is Angie) , both couldn't have been chosen for not having common languages with me.

Angie was pointing at me like a hound. She says that we have sessioned already somewhere else, I'm sure she's mistaken. I would have remembered her, if not else by the way she goes around begging customers to fuck her in the ass. Even after she's been chosen for zimmering, she still insists for that. Mind you, it's not upselling, that's included in the fare! Really a sort of literally horny b*t*h, with 2 legs only! Anyway being aware of the memory of these girls leaves me with a small doubt.

She made me promise her I would fuck her in the ass, but I..."unintentionally" cheated her, LOL! After normal procedures, I was fucking her and was happy in that hole, but my good heart wanted me to keep my word and please her, so I thought I would just switch for finishing. When I felt I was close to the end I stopped, but she started moving savagely and I couldn't hold my load. Sorry! She pouted a little, but forgave me :-)

Second session was with Lily, this time I took her alone. What Mother Nature didn't give her in height, gave her in the rest: a brilliant, smart, intelligent, funny, simply extraordinary girl, providing a great PSE-GFE experience at the same time. If you are not too picky about bodies, I would strongly recommend her. She's not beautiful but definitely not ugly, let's say average if not above, has a nice smile and a kissable (I don't find Angie that kissable) small mouth capable of hosting dicks bigger than her face, she has a proportionate body with tender little boobs, no fat, no cellulitis, she just should be a few inches taller.

It was a nice stay, even if I couldn't test anything new, those 2 girls are an easy safety net, and my friend compensated abundantly the bad start with TF.

Finally, I must make a correction about what I had posted for public transport: from Gelsenkirchen hbf to Arabella you need strasserbahn 302, the rest is correct.

Zone Change
04-18-14, 14:26

Hrchrister
04-26-14, 16:46
Hi guys. Thank's for your contributions.

I'm in the area in end of May and wish to try AO scene. I'm quite experienced in our hobby, but new with AO. I accept the risk, and I really look forward to a lot of CIP. I just want to have som wisdom about HOW big the risk may be.

For you experienced AO mongers: how often have you got STDs from the AO-girls? Two-three times a year? Every fourth, fifth or sixth girl? Please enlighten us with your experiences.

chr.

Hessen Bub
04-26-14, 18:10
All the girls in Dietzenbach have to have a biweekly medical check up. If there is any slightest sign or doubt that a guy caught something in the club ALL the girls immediately have to see a doctor. Guess that's similar to the sister clubs on NRW.

HB

BigBuddy69
04-26-14, 21:05
Two AO-trips, two (actually 3) std's, so either I'm really unlucky, either the risk is rather big.

Zone Change
04-26-14, 21:53
Last 2, 5 years I have been to around 10 AO-gangbangs in Germany (example Spermagames) , many other AO-clubs, BB-fucked 10-15 girls both in Thailand and Brazil. I go to doctor 2-3 times a year and I have 0 STD. But I do take Zitromax 2 times a year just to "clear the system". I take 1000mg first day and day 2-5 I take 250mg. It works fine for me.

Creature2
04-27-14, 08:53
M-Exclusive gone downhill, not worth the effort, nor the gas.

I made this club M-Exclusive, location in Dulmen-Buldern. My previous visit was 6 month ago. I can safely say that this club has gone downhill, a really big change compared to last year. I should guess that before visiting, they also changed their second instalement (Near Osnabruck) into a partytreff, already. And I think this club also either will die or will turn into a cheaper partytreff or something similar.

Even it was a Saturday evening, there were only a few customers and only 9 girls. I couldn't guess the current situation and opted for 3 sessions 90 Euro.

All girls are Romanian and Bulgarians. The only good looking girl was Rubi.

First session Roxanna, tall, fake blond. Doesn't kiss good, don't do CIM. Wasted in hand.

Second session with Rubi. Still best looking girl and quite fun session but I finish quickly.

Third session with Bulgarian Denise, good body but rest a total waist of time.

I wish I should spend all my three shots with Rubi. And if I knew the current condition of this club, I wish I didn't visit iy. Not worth the money, the gas nor the effort to drive from Dusseldorf. There are a bunch of better RTC options spread in NRW-Ruhr area.

Happy Fkk
04-30-14, 00:59
Hi guys. Thank's for your contributions.

I'm in the area in end of May and wish to try AO scene. I'm quite experienced in our hobby, but new with AO. I accept the risk, and I really look forward to a lot of CIP. I just want to have som wisdom about HOW big the risk may be.

For you experienced AO mongers: how often have you got STDs from the AO-girls? Two-three times a year? Every fourth, fifth or sixth girl? Please enlighten us with your experiences.

Chr.Personnally, when I started, it was 2 or 3 times a year against 1 every two years with condoms. So I would say 1 out of 10 or 20.

It depends of your natural resistance.

Last time I read a few reports on german and here forums telling they also catched something. The girl I suspect gave signs of something. I was sure she was sick, but did not know what. Finally was off for 3 months after 2 or 3 weeks still working. It tooks me months to go back to the club.

Since then, I buy antibiotics on internet and take them two days before until last day: 0. I avoid obviously dirty places.

Do not thrust too much that girls are checked regularly. Same as condom girls. In more than ten years, not one girl showed me results from test and all were quite surprised when I showed mine and lost when I ask hers in return. Even with 'regulars', with whom I repeat asking.

EastGoing
04-30-14, 02:10
I'm not a doctor, but I don't see the point of taking antibiotics before and during the permanence, according to my little knowledges and to what I'm told. I asked even a couple of urologists, on top of family doctor, they told me not to. I don't think antibiotics work like a vaccine, as far as I know one shouldn't use them unless they are really necessary, which is after you get something. Even when I get a stupid strong throatache or diarrhea, doctors (maybe in my area they are not that good, but all of them follow the same path) wait to give me antibiotics, and if I don't have fever they wait even longer, because they say that I might strengthen some bacterias, that my body wouldn't react well the following time, when I really need them, because I already used them for nothing. They say it is like shooting a fly with a bazooka.

A clever thing you can do, I did it this winter, if you want to attend these clubs for kamikazes, is to get vaccinated against hepatitis B. They told me that basically 2 viruses can kill me, since nothing can be done against the famous one, at least I will avoid the other one. The rest, more or less, can be hopefully cured, with patience, luck and time.

Free Dude
04-30-14, 10:16
What "official results" is concerned; it is very possible the girls just don't get these from the doctor or sexual health clinic. When I get tested (for free I might add) I just get a text message that everything is fine (if not, I would get a text to contact the office). Treatment for things like gonorrhea and chlamydia are also free BTW. I've never gotten any piece of paper that showed my 'health'. This is in the Netherlands, but the office also tests a lot of prostitutes.

Optimist
04-30-14, 14:42
Free Dude and Eastgoing. You are exactly right.

As for Hep B vaccinations. They generally work but if you are in middle age or over they do not always "take" so you will need a confirmation check to see if they have taken

EastGoing
04-30-14, 15:44
i had posted a question in ao lounge and chat area, somehow it's being discussed here.

referring to tests, i agree they have little value by many points of view, basically because girls cannot have updated ones customer by customer and because diseases take some time, longer or shorter, to come out, whether with symptoms or without.

i don't have much faith in the tests that clubs and / or girls allegedly make (but don't show) : if a girl is there aoing, she will not have many concerns about herself or customers; the club just wants to make money; customers just want to do it, and the fact that the very most of punters i see are very old (therefore more careless about health, future and life than a 20 year old guy) doesn't reassure me.

personally, since i feel little or nothing with condoms, i do it because... i wonder how can these clubs exist, how is it possible that girls accept to work like that, how is it possible that men go there, how is it possible that it's legal. since all these things happen, since quiet a few years, it means that actually it can be done, it must be possible, perhaps it is not that easy to catch the diseases and / or maybe the system works (tests work and are reliable) , i mean... i read posts in german forums of fellas going there every week, how can they? i personally have spoken to fellas who say they've been doing it without problems for years, maybe not all of them are sincere, but girls stay there every day for several months consecutive, depending on what kind of disease they may have, they would be phisically impaired, if a pussy is in pain for some reason, the girl will not be able to fuck.

if really it was so easy to catch something in these clubs, there should be epidemics, especially in nrw, authorities would shut down these clubs.

so i say to myself: "why should you be the one?" last year i had got fucking prostatitis, i was given randomly different kinds of antibiotics, i "forced" doctors to give me whatever, they didn't want to give me anything because i was always coming out clean from all tests: blood, REP004, sperm, even fucking urethral tampon (which i don't wish any of you to try) , so they said that antibiotics were pointless since there was nothing to fight. eventually it was supposed that, since i've been active nearly every day for many years, the fact of having an average of about 3 girls a day for 8 days on top of my "normal" activity was too tiring for my prostate, which is already well damaged and much "older than me", that's why probably it got inflamed, that is why now my trips are shorter and in clubs i have only 2 sessions a day, even if my next trip is 8 days again...

back to tests, keeping in mind what i said above, i reckon that still could be of help if they were asked and shown, both girls' and customers', psychologically one would feel safer, at least it may cut out criminal sick guys willing to spread.

one more "stupid" absurd feeling i have which doesn't make sense: i feel safer barebacking in clubs, where girls have maybe 20 men daily, for the reasons i exposed above, than i would feel in barebacking a girl outside, a girl who may be barebacking much less, maybe with just a few men once in a while, but since i don't have the illusion of tests, controls and other guys around, i'm scared.

last night i barebacked intentionally, knowingly, agreeing it (i mean that it didn't happen because the condom broke) for the first time a sw. a few months ago i had done it a few times with a girl working in a private flat, where at least she could wash and i could have a look at her pussy and finger it, inside a car in a parking lot of course conditions are different. today i'm more worried than after an entire trip in nrw, lol!

the confession is over, father forgive me (also for my silliness)

p. s. optimist, thanks for your clarification about vaccination, i hadn't understood that when i did it. so far i had two injections, third and last one will be in summer, but i understood i'm already covered

Happy Fkk
04-30-14, 19:28
I'm not a doctor, but I don't see the point of taking antibiotics before and during the permanence, according to my little knowledges and to what I'm told.When I catch little things, doctors gave me always the same pills, so I take them before meeting the problem.

Explain why 'we' give tons of antibiotics to healthy chickens, cows, salmons, and others? Or ask your urologist.

Taking them always is probably (surely) stupid. But when you know you are going to expose yourself to the danger, I think it can be clever.

Happy Fkk
04-30-14, 19:46
A clever thing you can do, I did it this winter, if you want to attend these clubs for kamikazes, is to get vaccinated against hepatitis B.My doctor did it to me two years ago, and I test the validity every year, as he recommends. He recommends also at best not having sex outside marriage.

I don't think guys here are in this kind of thinking, even if some are telling it or things like this. Guys who are afraid are first afraid to be catched by their familly or society.

Dreams
05-01-14, 12:59
I'm not a doctor, but I don't see the point of taking antibiotics before and during the permanence, according to my little knowledges and to what I'm told. I asked even a couple of urologists, on top of family doctor, they told me not to. I don't think antibiotics work like a vaccine, as far as I know one shouldn't use them unless they are really necessary, which is after you get something. Even when I get a stupid strong throatache or diarrhea, doctors (maybe in my area they are not that good, but all of them follow the same path) wait to give me antibiotics, and if I don't have fever they wait even longer, because they say that I might strengthen some bacterias, that my body wouldn't react well the following time, when I really need them, because I already used them for nothing. They say it is like shooting a fly with a bazooka.

A clever thing you can do, I did it this winter, if you want to attend these clubs for kamikazes, is to get vaccinated against hepatitis B. They told me that basically 2 viruses can kill me, since nothing can be done against the famous one, at least I will avoid the other one. The rest, more or less, can be hopefully cured, with patience, luck and time.I am sure everything you say is true. But all doctors are playing the same game: preventing global loss of efficacy of antibiotics by reducing their use, which is is a valuable thing to do for society as a whole, but far less useful for any given individual.

Let me explain: First, prophylactic antibiotherapy is widely recognised as necessary and vastly used in surgery, especially bone surgery. Same in dentistry. (you will get systemtically antibiotics after teeth extraction, whether you have infections or not, as an example.

With regards to the throat infections, yes, most of them are viral, so not sensitive to ABs, but most of them, when they last, become "surinfected" by bacteria, and then require ABs. I, a doctor, do prescribe ABs to my family when they have severe angina, not to cure the viral infection, but to prevent the much more painful bacterial infection which may follow. Basically it saves a few days of pain and discomfort, since you would anyway have to prescribe the ABs later.

Back to our topic, STDs: There are many acceptable ways of dealing with it: Such as waiting for symptoms and treat them, since in most of the cases this works fine. You can also, as some have suggested, if you are in a high risk behavior style, take treatment 1 day before you start, and keeo it till 2-3 days afterthe end of your tour. If you are a regular, say each week, perpetrator, then better wait for the symptoms and treat them, since you cannot take them all year long.

Last, about "letal" risks, hepatitis and Aids. Aids is not anymore letal. But it is a pain to have it, since treatments are heavy. Hepatitis is in most cases non letal, but can be. Here also treatments are available, but heavy as well, and not efficacious in all cases. Which justifies, in my opinion, vaccination.

At the end, it goes down to your own risk-benefit analysis.

Seabreeze0003
05-01-14, 18:47
Hi guys. Thank's for your contributions.

I'm in the area in end of May and wish to try AO scene. I'm quite experienced in our hobby, but new with AO. I accept the risk, and I really look forward to a lot of CIP. I just want to have som wisdom about HOW big the risk may be.

For you experienced AO mongers: how often have you got STDs from the AO-girls? Two-three times a year? Every fourth, fifth or sixth girl? Please enlighten us with your experiences.

Chr.I have done nothing but AO for about 30 years, frequency about twice a week. Only once caught anything, gonorrhea, which was easily stamped out. My experiences range around the USA, Germany, UK, Spain, South America.

Unless a girl has visible sores, needle tracks, or is obviously gaunt and unhealthy looking there is not any way to assess the risk of catching an STD from her. If she or her environment is dirty and squalid that is a hint as to her general attitude, but only an indicator. The human race has been around a long time without condoms; only the last few decades have seen much use of them. You might very well die from sex; you will certainly die from something.

EastGoing
05-01-14, 20:28
When I catch little things, doctors gave me always the same pills, so I take them before meeting the problem.

Explain why 'we' give tons of antibiotics to healthy chickens, cows, salmons, and others? Or ask your urologist.It would be interesting to know what you get and what medicines you take, for how long, etc. Remarkable that you get something every 2 years inspite of using condoms, and catching something 2-3 times a year without using condom would sound quite discouraging to me, unless you do it all year long (I assume you travel, so you don't do it all the time). About antibiotics to animals, of course men don't care about the health of them and worry just for business (a bit like in our clubs) , I don't think it is an example that suits this discussion.


Back to our topic, STDs: There are many acceptable ways of dealing with it: Such as waiting for symptoms and treat them, since in most of the cases this works fine. You can also, as some have suggested, if you are in a high risk behavior style, take treatment 1 day before you start, and keeo it till 2-3 days afterthe end of your tour. If you are a regular, say each week, perpetrator, then better wait for the symptoms and treat them, since you cannot take them all year long.

Last, about "letal" risks, hepatitis and Aids. Aids is not anymore letal. But it is a pain to have it, since treatments are heavy. Hepatitis is in most cases non letal, but can be. Here also treatments are available, but heavy as well, and not efficacious in all cases. Which justifies, in my opinion, vaccination.

At the end, it goes down to your own risk-benefit analysis.As usual, I agree your statements. I would like to become a regular, I scheduled 3 trips in next 2 months. Last 2 trips were ok from the point of view of symptoms, of course I can't tell about big stuff since I don't even want to know it, until I feel ok for me it's fair enough. I rather "wait" and take pills eventually, if something pops up. About deadly or not deadly stuff, you are not likely at all to die from a toothache, but it can be hugely painful, I mean that even minor things can affect you a lot, for pains and annoyments.


I have done nothing but AO for about 30 years, frequency about twice a week. Only once caught anything, gonorrhea, which was easily stamped out. My experiences range around the USA, Germany, UK, Spain, South America.

Unless a girl has visible sores, needle tracks, or is obviously gaunt and unhealthy looking there is not any way to assess the risk of catching an STD from her. If she or her environment is dirty and squalid that is a hint as to her general attitude, but only an indicator.With all the respect, I reckon you are very lucky.

You mentioned the environments. Well, these clubs, apart from the AOing matter, are not that clean: showers, beds, sheets, carpets, lockers. Probably somewhere else you wouldn't tolerate that low level, not to mention the towels, often stained, mostly with red stains, which I assume coming from the girls' pussies. You dry yourself with them, and wrap yourself inside them. I carry out extensive searches to find totally white ones, at times I think that I will be told off for "consuming" so many. Personally, I try not to mind those details, since I find ridiculous worrying about getting something dermatological in a context where I could catch something lethal, I mean that I would sign to get something that would heal with just a cream. In these clubs, I often have doubts when looking at girls. For instance, if they are too skinny, like VV's Larissa; the sight of VV's Maya's white pussy frightens me; I watch if they have teeth missing, how many, like Arabella's Carmen last year, who had more missing than not (VV's Laura misses "only" some 4, I think) ; in Grimberg on my last trip I noticed a sort of big patch, like in a muppet, on a leg of Angie; etc, but, as I said, obviously all those things are pointless when you go barebacking, even the healthiest looking person could have lethal stuff, so just make the sign of the cross and hope to be lucky.

UltraHappy
05-02-14, 00:43
Back to our topic, STDs: You can also, as some have suggested, if you are in a high risk behavior style, take treatment 1 day before you start, and keep it till 2-3 days after the end of your tour. If you are a regular, say each week, perpetrator, then better wait for the symptoms and treat them, since you cannot take them all year long.

At the end, it goes down to your own risk-benefit analysis.Ok, but how do we know which pills to take for this "preventative" approach? Don't doctors prescribe different stuff based on the type of infection? In other words, what the heck kind of pills is one supposed to take and how many if one wanted to employ this "preventative" approach?

Also, I assume that if one wears a condom 100% of the time for vaginal sex (but receives BBBJ) , the recommended approach is probably to not employ such "preventative" antibacterial measures and to simply wait for symptoms to develop. I take it that the preventative measures would only make sense for those who do AO, correct?

Also, would it ever make sense to take some sort of antiviral thing to reduce the chances of contracting genital herpes?

Dreams
05-02-14, 11:08
I have done nothing but AO for about 30 years, frequency about twice a week. Only once caught anything, gonorrhea, which was easily stamped out. My experiences range around the USA, Germany, UK, Spain, South America.

Unless a girl has visible sores, needle tracks, or is obviously gaunt and unhealthy looking there is not any way to assess the risk of catching an STD from her. If she or her environment is dirty and squalid that is a hint as to her general attitude, but only an indicator. The human race has been around a long time without condoms; only the last few decades have seen much use of them. You might very well die from sex; you will certainly die from something.Well.

I have treated in my life a few guys who drank 3 liters of beer a day, and never got liver cirrhosis, while I have also seen many who got it, drinking ten times less.

I would not draw any conclusion from any individual anecdotal experiences.

I am not at all discussing your experience, I am sure it is true, but just wish to warn others not to draw any conclusions from it.

In the mean time, continue to enjoy, and hopefully, for long!

Dreams
05-02-14, 11:18
Ok, but how do we know which pills to take for this "preventative" approach? Don't doctors prescribe different stuff based on the type of infection? In other words, what the heck kind of pills is one supposed to take and how many if one wanted to employ this "preventative" approach?

Also, I assume that if one wears a condom 100% of the time for vaginal sex (but receives BBBJ) , the recommended approach is probably to not employ such "preventative" antibacterial measures and to simply wait for symptoms to develop. I take it that the preventative measures would only make sense for those who do AO, correct?

Also, would it ever make sense to take some sort of antiviral thing to reduce the chances of contracting genital herpes?Answers:

"Common" STds can be treated by a simple combination of 2 Abs. Not a problem. Go to internet if you wish to know more.

Risk of catching STd with BBBJ is less than BBFS, but far from being negligible. If you are a regular consumer of BBBjs in different joints such those in Thailand and Japan, where girls service 20+ guys a day, you are likely to catch up sthg one day or the other. I personnally would recommend prohylaxy to someone who, for instance, would go to Thailand for a week or 2, and plan hitting the clubs 2-3 times a day for BBBjs (and even more for BBFS, of course.)

No drug has ever shown any eficacy in treating, let alone preventing, herpes. I think you are left without help here.

At the end of the day, I think that the worst fear with this is. Contaminating your regular partner, if you have one.

I don't, so I am pretty worryless. But when I was having a relationship, I was dead scared that I would pass anything, even minor, to her. At those time, my mongering activities were limited to everything being serioulsy covered. Now, well.

EastGoing
05-02-14, 15:07
Answers:

"Common" STds can be treated by a simple combination of 2 Abs. Not a problem. Go to internet if you wish to know more.

Risk of catching STd with BBBJ is less than BBFS, but far from being negligible. If you are a regular consumer of BBBjs in different joints such those in Thailand and Japan, where girls service 20+ guys a day, you are likely to catch up sthg one day or the other. I personnally would recommend prohylaxy to someone who, for instance, would go to Thailand for a week or 2, and plan hitting the clubs 2-3 times a day for BBBjs (and even more for BBFS, of course.)

No drug has ever shown any eficacy in treating, let alone preventing, herpes. I think you are left without help here.

At the end of the day, I think that the worst fear with this is. Contaminating your regular partner, if you have one.

I don't, so I am pretty worryless. But when I was having a relationship, I was dead scared that I would pass anything, even minor, to her. At those time, my mongering activities were limited to everything being serioulsy covered. Now, well.
At this point you could well post the name of the 2 antibiotics ;-) I must assume one is zitromax... I don't know what "sthg" is, would you please tell me?

About BBBJs, I got thousands since last millennium, by hundreds of girls from anywhere on earth, I never had anything I could realize. In 2007 I "officially" got a prostatitis, simultaneously with stones in my kidneys. I ended up in hospital, where I got my life's first echography of the apparatus. They said that my prostate had quite a few calcifications, resulting from many infections I had had (but never realized). They won't go away and of course they weaken the gland. This means that, even if one doesn't feel anything bad or wrong, he may still have something going on, which may heal on his own or not.

Going in AO clubs, you know girls can get some 20 men a day too, but you sound less scared than about a thai girl just blowing, maybe you share my "pointless point" of feeling safer in clubs because of tests? LOL!

About herpes, it can be treated with aciclovir and similar antiviral stuff. There are creams, of course with a low impact on it, and pills, with a much stronger effect. They will make bubbles go away, until next time. Cycles of months may be prescribed, if those pills are tolerated, in the hope that recurrences will not occur, or at least as less as possible. Once again, I reckon best thing is to take them only when your bubbles pop up

Woodypussy1967
05-07-14, 01:22
I noticed that the websites of these clubs do not have any photos with their available madams. There are only available in their reception. Do you know if there are any other websites where I can see their photos? I always prefer to have a look at girls' photos before visiting these clubs.

Vito Corleone
05-07-14, 12:19
I noticed that the websites of these clubs do not have any photos with their available madams. There are only available in their reception. Do you know if there are any other websites where I can see their photos? I always prefer to have a look at girls' photos before visiting these clubs.Sex pension.

Club Angelique.

Dolce Vita Raubach.

All the AO chicks working in Krefeld & Monchengladbad (sp).

Christian G
05-11-14, 12:47
Sorry for late report.

Last March been in this 2 Fkk flat rate AO, my first time in this kind of club, but I had a great fun.

Grimberg Sauna.

I tried Angie a blond bulgarian with a sexy body, good BBBJ on sofa and anal action in the room, the only problema was that she don't use a lube, so the action was a little be difficult, but I was so horny at I cum quicly.

Second choice is Micky (RO) she is a great perfomance, not BBBJ on sofa because we directly go to the room, she gave me alot of fun. Everythings good with her, finish in her mouth.

Third choice Eva a small bulgarian, in the room I was a little be disappointed because her ass was so small and she don't have a lube, so I had a big difficult for fuck her ass. So just fuck a little in the pussy and take a long BBBJ cim.

Arabella.

I tried:

Nadja a small bulgarian anal specialized, start with a classic BBBJ on sofa and move in the room for anal.

Karina, great Romanian perfomer. We move directly to the room and everythings was great: BBBJ, anal and cim.

Anna, young Bulgarian with a beautiful face and nice body, good BBBJ on sofà an good session in the room, finish with cim.

Bobbyson
05-11-14, 19:40
Went on Friday may 5th.

I am horrible with names, I apologize!

There were 14 girls there!

Honestly there were only 1 or 2 that I wouldn't do, I was suprised at the quality. A few of the girls could have easily been at FKK golden time. (Where I normaly go)

I have been wanting to try these AO clubs for quite some time. I went to Dietzenbach in January and was completely sold! It's going to be hard to go back to the covered FKK places I think.

There was actually one girl there that it was her very first day! It was confirmed by the other girls and the old woman at the desk! And I was her first customer! That was a nice feeling knowing I was the first longer to creampie her pussy! She was very tall and great tits and ass!

I ended up doing 4 sessions. With two threesomes. All AO and all CIP. One of the girls said no CIP. I acted sad and during the session was sweet talking her. And by the end of the session she allowed me to CIP!

Took a couple days off and will hit another club tomorrow!

Dreams
05-12-14, 15:52
Went on Friday may 5th.

It's going to be hard to go back to the covered FKK places I think.

!Indeed. Since my first visit to Arabella and VV, I have not gone back to any of the big FRA clubs. Not because of the AO offer, but because of the "normal (= no divas)" attitude, and the "no extra" policies, which includes CIM, CIP, COF and anal and all that at much lower costs. (Just check with the girl before agrreing what she does, some don't do everything, but whatever they do is included in the initial price.).

Vito Corleone
05-13-14, 12:56
There was actually one girl there that it was her very first day! It was confirmed by the other girls and the old woman at the desk! And I was her first customer! That was a nice feeling knowing I was the first longer to creampie her pussy! She was very tall and great tits and ass!Just because it is her first day at a club, does not mean you were her first cream pie. She could have been with 10 clients the day before. These girls move from club to club, all AO & same owners.

EastGoing
05-13-14, 13:21
I surely agree that it is terribly difficult to go back to covered after having done AO. I always had that problem after splitting with a girlfriend. After my last one I decided I (hopefully) wouldn't have anymore, and I remember discussing with the SW I've dealt with since longest time (this is our 11th year, we are aging together, LOL!) that my only regret was that I wouldn't have been able to fuck anymore a bareback pussy in my life, and I wasn't an old hopeless lad. Of course I was aware of Thailand, Philippines, etc, but I wouldn't have had the courage to BB an "untested" girl, I already explained how stupid I consider myself for finding the courage with girls who get some 20 AO daily, but in a club, legally and controlled (...)

Last year I had tried to go to Oase and World after experiencing NRW AO clubs, it was too difficult, I drove back to NRW and went also to Dietzenbach! This winter I took also a couple of holidays in "normal" countries, covered stuff, too difficult, I'm back in NRW, whenever I can.

This said and agreed, I must admit that visiting certain clubs with certain girls sometimes makes me think and remember of how nice it would be to deal with a beautiful girl, not even a stunner, just a beautiful girl that you enjoy (or don't "suffer") watching, touching, even kissing, instead of just carrying out the task with girls you feel sacrificed with, inspite of their efforts, availability to whatever (like DFK, which very often I avoid) and great service.

In this trip I even tried a club new to me, Villa Romantica, but I really wasn't that satisfied, I hope my next trip will be luckier. To be optimistic, I hope I just caught wrong days with valid girls off...

EastGoing
05-13-14, 14:32
VV, tuesday 6th of may.

It seems that I was there the day after Bobbyson, who seems to have troubles even with the calendar, as I already said, obviously joking, in AO Chat and Lounge thread.
It seems that I found a whole different contingent of girls in attendance.

As usual, I phoned in advance to ask if Laura and another one or two were there. Barbara said only Laura was present, more than enough for me. I arrived, paid happily (no headache about choosing in advance) the 60 euros entrance with one girl included and quickly reached back the main floor.
My target wasn't there, obviously she must have been busy. I gave a look around: I had been there only one month before, but I could recognize only Magda, Lily and Maia, not even the always present Larissa was there. Girls must have been about 13, I wondered if the old faces were off, on holiday, or left (or, more likely, got fired by spitfire TF). The 2 new girls worth a try that I had noticed on my previous visit were absent too. I sat in front of the sofa that I knew, but I also was told after asking, was occupied by Laura. A girl in a sofa close to mine had started chatting me up since I had arrived. Her face was quite pretty, she was very nice, but a bit chubby. Shortly after a new girl came and sat in front of me. Not bad, actually doable, but such a sad face expression.
To make it short, it came out that I was waiting for Laura... but Laura was sitting in front of me! I felt like in a supposed-to-be comic movie. 2-3 girls confirmed and laughed at my astonishment, even the new Laura smiled, showing off her teeth, which made me classify her as unkissable and not choosable. I went to the counter, Barbara confirmed. I couldn't make her understand, due to the language barrier, how disappointed I was for the misunderstanding: my point was that she should have recognized me by the voice, accent and usual question, or she could have specified that there was a new Laura.

The ceiling fell on me. My favourite girl, my biggest, if not only, reason for going to VV (second one being that I'm based in Duisburg) had told me that she was to leave or, equally if not more true, to be sent away. Of course I couldn't post it in forum, hoping it wouldn't happen. And I couldn't see alternatives around me... I had paid 60, I had a girl included, of course I couldn't leave undone, but how would I choose? Blindfolded? By lottery draw? By doing some rhyme count like children playing? No truly unfuckable girls around, but no fuckable girls either, for one reason or another, obviously to my taste.

The most correct solution was suggested by the girl who had entertained me for all that time. She convinced me she could have consoled me. She deserved me to go with her even only for the time and effort she took for picking up my pieces and putting them together. Maybe it was thought that I was very affectionated to Laura, whom I'll surely miss, I hope and prefer so, it would be bad if they understood that my desperation was due more to the lack of alternatives, to the thought of being forced to go with (luckily only) one of them, to the thought that I could have gone somewhere else, etc.
She was so nice, I don't even want to think that she did it because of the lack of customers, really an empty afternoon, 2-3 other men around.
So, I went to the room with Elena, new in VV, coming from Alina with other 3-4 girls (at least). I don't remember well the details, I think she blew me well and then we fucked cowgirl and spoon. I think I remember she was kissable but I didn't kiss her. She put great effort and committment, really praiseworthy, unfortunately she wasn't my type of girl, I think and hope that I was enough a good actor and didn't make her understand. Even after, she warmly greeted me. If you like a bit chubby girls, I strongly recommend her. Needless to say, I left, quite disappointed, after the session.

It seems that "my" Laura is now in Verena, Dortmund. In next trip I may try another new club, if the ones I tried last week are in such bad conditions. Since sceneries can change quickly, and it takes just one two girls to make the difference, even if that may mean to repeat always the same ones, I hope things will get better. Unfortunately I will have to go and verify personally for safety nets in VV, unless somebody posts about worthy girls

Jymondor
05-13-14, 16:46
It seems that "my" Laura is now in Verena, Dortmund.I newer read positive reports about this club. Is something better going there now?

EastGoing
05-13-14, 19:56
I newer read positive reports about this club. Is something better going there now?Hy Jym,

Once last week I heard 2 guys speaking Russian by the lockers, maybe it was in VV, I thought about you.
I don't know about Verena, nor I have ever read anything good or particularly interesting about there, but it seems that a couple of "talents" have passed by there, even if for a short while. As I said, in one of my next trips I may try it, especially if it will be officially declared that Laura is there and the usual clubs I visit offer so little.

BTW, I wish I could read and write german without the "help" (?) of google translator, to join german fellas.
As a pastime, I put these links for those willing to participate to the searches of Laura going on in german forums.
Will ISG members arrive before german forums members?

http://www.freiercafe.org/showthread.php?p=188683,
starting from this one you will get other links with discussions, clues, hints and info about her.

Then, if this one works, http://www.freiercafe.com/showthread.php?t=29952

This is what you'll get to after some other clicks:

http://www.pauschalclub.de/dortmund/girl/laura

As you may understand, there is a lot of confusion. In VV I was told she should be in Verena, AO club, which surely is her cup of tea. I can't imagine her working with condoms! It's against her principles, LOL!! And in a Pauschal club!!! Such a dickhead would last less than a couple of hours chain-fucking flatrate.

Pics resemble her, but they must be photoshopped: her hair was light brown last month, she seems to weigh quite a few kilos more, the body looks firmer and bigger, strangely no pics of her back, which is her best part inspite of many brown stains, but the face is hers, with slight adjustments. I can't tell about the colour of the eyes because I was always getting lost into them, but I don't remember them so light blue.

Waiting to write more about my recent trip, I welcome detectives, unfortunately with her no private contacts were ever exchanged.

Varenne
05-14-14, 16:39
I can't imagine her working with condoms! It's against her principles, LOL!! And in a Pauschal club!!! Such a dickhead would last less than a couple of hours chain-fucking flatrate.Looks definitely her in the pictures. She had already worked in Pauschalclub Bochum in the past, before returning to VV, so I'm not surprised she's now in Dortmund.