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[Doggy 43]

Hi

Any recommendations into getting into Blok M at past the hr of midnight. I checked with amaris hotel if they have pick up service, but they didn't respond. There check in seems to be at 2. 000pm. (don't know)

Any recommendations for a better hotel in blok M around 400, 000 (which allows women) and whether they will pick you up for a nominal fee.

Airasia from saigon offer a great deal about 120. 00us return but arriving time not so appealing).

Plan to stay in jak for maybe 2 weeks

Thanks again for your generous assistance.

[Bulai69]

I assume you mean getting in from the airport which presumably you've not been to before? There is no problem at all getting a taxi - but go directly to the taxi rank, NOT the several small offices you will see as soon as you pass security on the way out. I have seen and heard guys pay Rp500k for a taxi which you can get for Rp100k by walking another 50 metres. Make sure they switch the meter on. The (black) Silver Bird taxis are slightly more expensive than the (blue) Blue Bird taxis.

[Menteng]

[QUOTE=Koperen Ko]

This experience prompted my reaction. Was I plain lucky over the years or are these Sofyan hotels (never heard of them) an exception?[/QUOTE]

I'd say, why don't you RTFF? Use the "search" function and you'll find postings by a.o. MasterDiverII, KLGuy and myself.

Niks persoonlijks, Ko.

[John Aldrich]

[QUOTE=Doggy 43]Hi

Any recommendations into getting into Blok M at past the hr of midnight. I checked with amaris hotel if they have pick up service, but they didn't respond. There check in seems to be at 2. 000pm. (don't know)

Any recommendations for a better hotel in blok M around 400, 000 (which allows women) and whether they will pick you up for a nominal fee.

Airasia from saigon offer a great deal about 120. 00us return but arriving time not so appealing).

Plan to stay in jak for maybe 2 weeks

Thanks again for your generous assistance.[/QUOTE]


You can check into Hotel Melawai in Blok M for that budget. You have a bordello in the 6th floor and can get girls from outside and also have an orgy if you so desire

[Koperen Ko]

[QUOTE=Menteng]I'd say, why don't you RTFF? Use the "search" function and you'll find postings by a. O. MasterDiverII, KLGuy and myself.

Niks persoonlijks, Ko.[/QUOTE]Not taken personally, but hotels that are not girl friendly are few and far between, both in Jakarta and in the all other areas (Aceh excepted). The vast majority is not interested in what you do in your room with whom. The few who are not girl friendly are so exceptional that they receive special mention in the forum.

I did trawl for some postings by KLGuy and the only ones I found told of taking armies of girls to his room.

But never mind. I think you should not draw so much attention to the few spoilsports among the hotels.

Even goede vrienden.

[Menteng]

[QUOTE=Koperen Ko]But never mind. I think you should not draw so much attention to the few spoilsports among the hotels.[/QUOTE]Maybe I should. It's additional information for fellow mongerers about the existence of spoilsports among the hotels of Jakarta.

[Doggy 43]

I arrive at 12.00 Midnight.Is there a money exchange office inside the airport when you arrive.

Thanks

[Doggy 43]

I will be staying at Mercure resko in jak are there many money changes around there or ATM machines that accept credit card.

Any ANZ ATMs around there.

Or do I have to go to a big bank to change Aussie dollars or US dollars.

[Non Olet]

[QUOTE=Doggy 43]I arrive at 12.00 Midnight.Is there a money exchange office inside the airport when you arrive.

Thanks[/QUOTE]Dear Doggy

There are several money changers at the airport and recently I also discovered an ATM, all before you go through customs (don't know which bank). The taxi boots just after customs also accept credit cards.

[QUOTE=Doggy 43]I will be staying at Mercure resko in jak are there many money changes around there or ATM machines that accept credit card.
[/QUOTE]You'll find ATM,s all over the city. Try any shopping mall or ask the bell captain, or any taxi driver.

Have Fun,

NO

[Cooze Hound]

[QUOTE=Doggy 43]I arrive at 12.00 Midnight.Is there a money exchange office inside the airport when you arrive.

Thanks[/QUOTE]Look, like it was pointed out, there is an ATM just after immigration. It will take a Visa or Mastercard and spit out some cash. If you are transiting in Singapore you could pick up some IDR at the money changer at the airport if it makes you feel more comfortable.

Use a luggage boy, they will find you , but they all have the same color shirt on with numbers etc. He will get you through customs and to the taxi of your choice which in this case should be either Silverbird or Bluebird. SIlverbird is a higher end car etc but maybe thin on the ground after midnight. Bluebirds are fine also. Both drivers will pay the Tolls for you. Alternatively at the first toll gate give the driver one of your new 50,000 notes and he will pay and give you the change so then you have some smaller money. There is an airport fee of 7-9000 IDR plus tolls of up to 11,000 IDR so allow that when you pay at the end, plus a tip.

When you come out of the terminal, following the baggage boy tell him you want to buy a drink and he will take you to a kiosk and then you can get some change. 20,000 IDR will take care of him unless you have 3-4 big cases.

Or pay the baggage guy $5 USD if you do not change money and he will be your friend for life. The ATM will give you 50,000 IDR notes. Blue by the way.

Right, enjoy yourself and let us know how you get on with the girls.

[Hung Man 1808]

[QUOTE=Doggy 43]I will be staying at Mercure resko in jak are there many money changes around there or ATM machines that accept credit card.
[/QUOTE]One at the front gate as you drive in. BCA from memory. A bit further north at the large 'glitzy' Glodok plaza there are more. I think there is one machine there that spits out 100,000 rp notes. I think there is also 100,000 machine at Lokasari plaza down Mangga Besar - 50,000rp notes get a bit bulky to carry around when you get to 1 million or so for the night.

Never had a problem with a machine in that area, nor anywhere in Jakarta.

For a first run, getting multiple 50,000rp notes, buying a drink in one shop, a snack bar in another, and maybe something else at another shop. They'll grumble a little, but you'll get enough smaller change to face the onslaught of: taxi drivers!

Having said that, I've experienced the miracle of being a lone bule in a taxi who has received: Change! All 2 to 4k of it. And no the city didn't freeze over too..

[Menteng]

[QUOTE=Doggy 43]I will be staying at Mercure resko in jak are there many money changes around there or ATM machines that accept credit card.

Any ANZ ATMs around there.

Or do I have to go to a big bank to change Aussie dollars or US dollars.[/QUOTE]Do not bring too much foreign money. Just enough to pay your visa at the airport and possibly small notes for tipping.

I avoid moneychangers for the exchange rates. I believe ATM's are the best. There are a couple in the arrival hall of the airport. The only ANZ ATM I know was at jalan Sudirman, near Ratu Plaza.

[1Ball]

I am sure this has been covered many times.

How and where can I open a bank account?

I have a business visa, no KITAS.

thanks

[Jijjy]

I opened one at Bank Permata. A friend of mine knew the manager though, so i'm not sure if that helped or not. You cannot open a business account though, it has to be personal.

JF

[QUOTE=1Ball]I am sure this has been covered many times.

How and where can I open a bank account?

I have a business visa, no KITAS.

thanks[/QUOTE]

[Cooze Hound]

[QUOTE=1Ball]I am sure this has been covered many times.

How and where can I open a bank account?

I have a business visa, no KITAS.

thanks[/QUOTE]Bali is much more tolerant, or open to bending the rules, than Jakarta. Mandiri in Sanur will do it. Some people have success with Permata also.

[1Ball]

Thanks guys. Seems they are tightening their reins.
My assistant has tried all of these. No luck

[Asian Fix]

I'm considering bringing my penis pump to Indo on my next trip. Is that going to get me in trouble? What about taking apart the pieces and separating them in my luggage so it's not obvious what is?

[Valkyrie]

[QUOTE=Asian Fix]I'm considering bringing my penis pump to Indo on my next trip. Is that going to get me in trouble? What about taking apart the pieces and separating them in my luggage so it's not obvious what is?[/QUOTE]I believe there is no law against it except if by chance you are a muslim for which I believe they can presecute you under ridiculous islamic law such as adultery or even ossibility of it.

Aside from that, the airport people may have a good laugh at it and just wave you away. Had a lady friend that brought lots of toys passing customs from Bali, and then Japan and to Canada. She got them across safely aside from slight loss of modesty. Just prepare yourself for some embarassment.

[Fast Eddie 48]

[QUOTE=Asian Fix]I'm considering bringing my penis pump to Indo on my next trip. Is that going to get me in trouble? What about taking apart the pieces and separating them in my luggage so it's not obvious what is?[/QUOTE]Asian fix,

Just check it in is not illegal just don't bring it on your carry on, but I like to ask you why are you bringing this with you, there are so many girl in Jarkata that give you a good pumping you don't need that.

Fast Eddie 48

[Sol111]

The exchange rate today for US dollar to IDR is 1 : 9,285. I had my bank transfer some cash to me in IDR here in the States, they gave me 1 : 7,200. Great...

[Manta72]

Hope this is the correct forum.

Coming from Aus with Next G mobile. Want to pick up a local phone number/sim card for the few days I am there. I RTFF and searches on mobiles came up with several thousand hits.

Will be in Bali, Kuta specifically and would like advice on where to buy and what to buy, is pre paid available, do you have to sign up to anything etc.

Thanks in advance

[Cooze Hound]

[QUOTE=Sol111]The exchange rate today for US dollar to IDR is 1 : 9,285. I had my bank transfer some cash to me in IDR here in the States, they gave me 1 : 7,200. Great...[/QUOTE]

Guys .. just use your Credit Card at the ATM's just after immigration ( in Jakarta) or change a small amount of USD or whatever currency and take the small hit in rates. Much better than the 7200 Sol111 experienced.

[Cooze Hound]

[QUOTE=Manta72]Hope this is the correct forum.

Coming from Aus with Next G mobile. Want to pick up a local phone number/sim card for the few days I am there. I RTFF and searches on mobiles came up with several thousand hits.

Will be in Bali, Kuta specifically and would like advice on where to buy and what to buy, is pre paid available, do you have to sign up to anything etc.

Thanks in advance[/QUOTE]

Any phone counter in Kuta will sell you a SIM card. Card will cost around 20,000 IDR with a small amount of pulsa already in it. Get the shopt to put in another 50,000 IDR at the same time. It needs to be registered but they will do that for you. And it is all prepay. Suggest ProXL . I have used them for years and have good Bali and all areas coverage.

[Sharka]

[QUOTE=Cooze Hound]Guys .. just use your Credit Card at the ATM's just after immigration ( in Jakarta) or change a small amount of USD or whatever currency and take the small hit in rates. Much better than the 7200 Sol111 experienced.[/QUOTE]


Actually, best to use your home ATM bank card instead as the fees are less than using a credit card for ATM withdraws. The exchange rate will be market rate and the only charge will be a set fee for withdraws so best to withdraw a larger sum.

Shark

[FriendlyPlanet]

[QUOTE=Manta72]Coming from Aus with Next G mobile. Want to pick up a local phone number/sim card for the few days I am there.[/QUOTE]

You need an unlocked handset- Telstra locks their handsets on postpaid contracts, so check with them before you go (or find someone with Optus, borrow their SIM, stick it into your handset and see if it still works).

Also, Next G operates on a strange frequency (850/2100 mhz wcdma), while Indonesian operators are 900/1800/1900. Most handsets now are multi-frequency world phones, but you might have a more limited one (particularly if you got one of the Telstra branded ZTE Next G phones)...

[QUOTE=Sharka]Actually, best to use your home ATM bank card instead as the fees are less than using a credit card for ATM withdraws. The exchange rate will be market rate and the only charge will be a set fee for withdraws so best to withdraw a larger sum.[/QUOTE]

Definitely ATM card over a credit card advance. But US banks all charge a % on overseas ATM withdrawals, so you no longer get market rate exchange rates. Typically you are looking at 2-3% on every transaction. Best exchange rate is cash- clean $50's and $100's, if you are comfortable carrying cash...

[1Ball]

I am sorry, I saw a post a while back with info about flights from CGK to MNL, but I can't find it.
Does smeone know an inexpensive way to do this flight?

Thanks

[Sol111]

[QUOTE=1Ball]I am sorry, I saw a post a while back with info about flights from CGK to MNL, but I can't find it.
Does smeone know an inexpensive way to do this flight?

Thanks[/QUOTE]

Cebu-Pacific airlines. Flights depart around midnight from CGK to Manila 3-4 nights a week. Fairly inexpensive non-stop, if you dont mind arriving MNL at 5:30am.

http://www.cebupacificair.com/

[1Ball]

[QUOTE=Sol111]Cebu-Pacific airlines. Flights depart around midnight from CGK to Manila 3-4 nights a week. Fairly inexpensive non-stop, if you dont mind arriving MNL at 5:30am.

http://www.cebupacificair.com/[/QUOTE]
Much obliged, Sir.

[Lama Di Bali]

[QUOTE=Sharka] best to withdraw a larger sum. Shark[/QUOTE]

Sharka is right. Better to bring an ATM card with you, rather than cash advance on a credit card.

But here's something to consider, given that many overseas banks charge a fixed transaction fee for an ATM withdrawal (in other words, whether you take out one dollar or a thousand, the fee will cost you the same.)

Almost all of the first generation ATMs in Indonesia only dispense Rp50,000 banknotes. There seems to be a limit of 25 notes they can dispense, so most ATMs will let you withdraw ONLY Rp1,250,000 which is a derisory US$140.

Up until recently at least, BCA (look for the blue signage) was the only local bank with many ATMs that dispense Rp100,000 banknotes, so with these you get Rp2,500,000 maximum withdrawal.

BCA has stickers on the front of their ATMs which say what banknotes are dispensed, but many other banks do not have a sticker. You can safely assume they only contain fifties.

Now, that said, the new generation ATMs which are appearing (and I'm talking specifically Mandiri, which is my bank )seem to be mostly Rp100,000 but you generally only find these new machines in the front foyers of new Mandiri branches.

So... look first for BCA ATMs, check that they have the Rp100,000 sticker on them, and you're sweet.

Perhaps some other resident can update which other banks now have machines that also dispense hundreds and in sufficient quantity.

[Jaimito Cartero]

I've been getting 100k notes out of many Citibank locations for many years. Some banks not only have the 25 note limit, but also limit the total amount taken. I've had some that only let you take out 500k at a time. That sucks!

[Menteng]

[QUOTE=Lama Di Bali]Sharka is right. Better to bring an ATM card with you, rather than cash advance on a credit card.

But here's something to consider, given that many overseas banks charge a fixed transaction fee for an ATM withdrawal (in other words, whether you take out one dollar or a thousand, the fee will cost you the same.)

Almost all of the first generation ATMs in Indonesia only dispense Rp50,000 banknotes. There seems to be a limit of 25 notes they can dispense, so most ATMs will let you withdraw ONLY Rp1,250,000 which is a derisory US$140.

Up until recently at least, BCA (look for the blue signage) was the only local bank with many ATMs that dispense Rp100,000 banknotes, so with these you get Rp2,500,000 maximum withdrawal.

BCA has stickers on the front of their ATMs which say what banknotes are dispensed, but many other banks do not have a sticker. You can safely assume they only contain fifties.

Now, that said, the new generation ATMs which are appearing (and I'm talking specifically Mandiri, which is my bank )seem to be mostly Rp100,000 but you generally only find these new machines in the front foyers of new Mandiri branches.

So... look first for BCA ATMs, check that they have the Rp100,000 sticker on them, and you're sweet.

Perhaps some other resident can update which other banks now have machines that also dispense hundreds and in sufficient quantity.[/QUOTE]


Lippobank, BNI and Niaga have machines with 100K bills for years now. Not all of their machines, but in their bigger branches and in bigger malls you can get them easily. In Jakarta, that is.

When you're in need of cash when visiting the bars of jalan Faletehan=Block M, the machines at Pasaraya are available. Nearer and at one's disposal till very late, Bank Niaga. Go to the beginning of the street, turn right and 50 mtrs further at your right hand side is the bank.

Also at Lokasari plaza, for those in need of cash to visit the fleshpots there and in the neighbourhood, is a row with machines of which I know that the Lippo ATM provides 100K notes.

[1Ball]

at "sentral parkir" in Kuta, which is at the back of Kuta galleria, there are 4 or 5 ATMs in a row. in between the food court, and the "giant" supermarket.

BII dispenses 100 rb bills, and lets me take out 3 jt at a time.

Hope this helps.

[Bobisee]

Twice in 3 weeks I contacted skin allergies from eating seafood. I've never had such food issues before coming here. It has really messed with wanting to pursue any libidinous adventures. Serious skin itching, hive breakouts, and marked up & swelled hands have lasted each time for around 3 to 5 days. The episodes interfered enough to which getting down and nasty with the ladies just wasn't gonna happen. The right meds seem to have a noticeable affect within a day, but at least another couple days before most skin marking are gone.

If you think something like this is happening to you, quickly go to an "apotek" (medicine dispensary) or a "klinik" and start asking questions as to what's happening and what you need to do. Most staff seem astute that this is fairly common and usually have something to help. Not always though in which case you might have to do a bit of running around to find what you. This of course will interfere with your mongering activities. But then so do a lot of things....

[Bardo1122]

Hello, gentlemen,

I have searched the forum and looked back through posts but haven't been able to find a post addressing my question. I apologise if I've overlooked one.

I'm considering using an all inclusive villa plus escort system in Bali. The price and selection seem reasonable and it fits well with what I would like to do; relax, spend time with a nice girl, and write. I'm wondering if anyone knows whether this place is legitimate or has any experience with them? They have been responsive to my emails but want 50% paid a month before I arrive which makes me a bit nervous. Their email responses come from "Jasmine" and the business name seems to be "immigration indonesia". Any advice is greatly appreciated.

M

[Manta72]

[QUOTE=Bardo1122]Hello, gentlemen,

I have searched the forum and looked back through posts but haven't been able to find a post addressing my question. I apologise if I've overlooked one.

I'm considering using an all inclusive villa plus escort system in Bali. The price and selection seem reasonable and it fits well with what I would like to do; relax, spend time with a nice girl, and write. I'm wondering if anyone knows whether this place is legitimate or has any experience with them? They have been responsive to my emails but want 50% paid a month before I arrive which makes me a bit nervous. Their email responses come from "Jasmine" and the business name seems to be "immigration indonesia". Any advice is greatly appreciated.

M[/QUOTE]There was an article (or one guys experience) with these arrangements on the Bali forum. If I see it I will reference it for you but there definitely is one. If I recall it was legitimate but there were some minor issues.

[Robert Long]

[QUOTE=Bardo1122]Hello, gentlemen,

I have searched the forum and looked back through posts but haven't been able to find a post addressing my question. I apologise if I've overlooked one.

I'm considering using an all inclusive villa plus escort system in Bali. The price and selection seem reasonable and it fits well with what I would like to do; relax, spend time with a nice girl, and write. I'm wondering if anyone knows whether this place is legitimate or has any experience with them? They have been responsive to my emails but want 50% paid a month before I arrive which makes me a bit nervous. Their email responses come from "Jasmine" and the business name seems to be "immigration indonesia". Any advice is greatly appreciated.

M[/QUOTE]
If you put the deposit on a credit card, I would think that you would be protected from any ripoffs.

Bali is the ripoff center of Indonesia. The Balinese cheat and lie constantly. Read some of the reports on the street money changers, or the Transport
drivers.

This is a 4th World country and if you get husseled you have no recourse but your Consulate General, and that can take years.

If they do not accept credit cards red flags should appear.
RL

[1Ball]

Bardo, you dont give us much info to go on. What is the daily price for this?

you can get yourself a very nice villa with plunge pool, for 100-125 USD per night, in Seminyak, close to the beach. you can then find your own high end friend, who will stay with you for a night or a week, or you can sample a few more of the other delights available here.

Why not tell us a bit more.

But I second what Robert says below. The Balinese will fuck you with a smile on their face, and make you think they are doing you a favor. So, caveat amptor.

We will be glad to offer a real opinion, if you can give us more details, price, location, and if you can PM, even a website, or phone number.

good luck.

[Jijjy]

Generally speaking, if you use a credit cards you do have recourse through the card companies and most anyplace that takes cards wants to be in good standing with the card companies, but you cannot go to Visa and complain that the girl did not give you head and such. The card companies do not support illegal activities. I (who live here) think it's foolish to pre-purchase a girl here. I don't frequent the clubs, but i think you can find whatever it is you're looking for there. Just keep in mind that the average person might make $80 USD a month.

- jf

[QUOTE=Robert Long]If you put the deposit on a credit card, I would think that you would be protected from any ripoffs.

Bali is the ripoff center of Indonesia. The Balinese cheat and lie constantly. Read some of the reports on the street money changers, or the Transport
drivers.

This is a 4th World country and if you get husseled you have no recourse but your Consulate General, and that can take years.

If they do not accept credit cards red flags should appear.
RL[/QUOTE]

[Bardo1122]

Gentlemen,

Thank you for your responses so far. I apologise for not including more details but I was concerned that the forum rules wouldn't let me post the website address so I didn't want to inconvenience the administrator. I'm still not sure if I can post the address but when I search on google "adult vacation Bali" it is consistently the first hit.

As for details: The price is 200 dollars which is to include full service, a large villa, private pool, food and drinks, a car and driver and a large selection of girls from whom I can choose each day for a 24 hour stay although I prefer 12 hours so that I sleep alone.

The pictures of the villas look nice and the email pictures of the girls who provide the services I like were all attractive.

Although when in Bangkok, I enjoy going out and about and finding my own talent, for this trip my goal is to stay in the villa and finish up a writing project that is already months late. Of course, with intermittent breaks to stir the creative juices.

The service does supposedly accept credit cards.

Manta, thanks for your post. I searched the Bali section as thoroughly as I could manage before I posted and couldn't find a thread on topic but I will look again.

Any help is appreciated.

B

[Bigcebu]

[QUOTE=1Ball]The Balinese will fuck you with a smile on their face[/QUOTE]

There aren't many Balinese girls in nightlife on Bali. The prostitutes and most normal girls in the clubs are from Java.

[1Ball]

[QUOTE=Bigcebu]There aren't many Balinese girls in nightlife on Bali. The prostitutes and most normal girls in the clubs are from Java.[/QUOTE]
As usual , Big "C", you read 1/2 a post. We are talking about getting fucked in business, not in bed.

[Tommy Suharto]

Bardo- I believe there was some feedback earlier about this site in the Bali thread. Take care,

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=966481&postcount=1577

[1Ball]

Excellent research Tommy.

as I said earlier, caveat emptor.

Bardo, I know a prefect little villa in Seminyak, with a private pool, for about 100 USD. walk to the beach. And between me and the Prof, we can help find a few cuties for you. I am thinking of a very nice 24-26 year old girl I know, who will happily take care of you for 50 USD per day, run your errands for you, go to the supermarket to fill up the fridge, and has a great hard little brown body.

PM for details.

[Bardo1122]

Gentlemen,

Thank you all for the information. Tommy, thanks for finding that thread. Like I said, I had searched and browsed but somehow did not find it. I was a little uneasy with some of the spam like responses I received and have decided not to use the service.

1Ball, thanks for your suggestion as well. I am definitely interested and will pm you directly.

B

[Bellpepper]

A friend of mine suggests that I shall buy a house in Bali and I am really tempted.

Does anyone have experience from this and what pitfalls there can be?
Are there restrictions for foreigners when it comes to buying property?

There seem to be a lot of buildings under construction, ordered by people that don't intend to live in the house but to sell it with profit. Is there a risk for a speculation bubble or has it always been like this?

I am thankful for any advice from experienced people.
- Bellpepper

[Bulai69]

I have looked into this in considerable detail with very reliable legal advice. I don't propose to give advice here as frankly, it's far too complex other than to summarise it thus: don't do it unless you are very willing to take financial risks and even then, get reliable legal advice - which does not include "independant" lawyers referred to you by someone selling the property!


[QUOTE=Bellpepper]A friend of mine suggests that I shall buy a house in Bali and I am really tempted.

Does anyone have experience from this and what pitfalls there can be?
Are there restrictions for foreigners when it comes to buying property?

There seem to be a lot of buildings under construction, ordered by people that don't intend to live in the house but to sell it with profit. Is there a risk for a speculation bubble or has it always been like this?

I am thankful for any advice from experienced people.
- Bellpepper[/QUOTE]

[Hamaca]

[QUOTE=Bulai69]I have looked into this in considerable detail with very reliable legal advice. I don't propose to give advice here as frankly, it's far too complex other than to summarise it thus: don't do it unless you are very willing to take financial risks and even then, get reliable legal advice - which does not include "independant" lawyers referred to you by someone selling the property![/QUOTE]A foreigner can't own land or a house or property in indonesia and that includes Bali, you will have to buy the house in a indonesians name and as you will be aware you would have to trust them 100%, remember it would just take one small argument or small disagreement and bang goes your investment. However there is one way you can do it but it is costly, set up a PMA company, google it and read about it. Wish you luck bet be very carefull.

[Menteng]

[QUOTE=Hamaca]A foreigner can't own land or a house or property in indonesia and that includes Bali, you will have to buy the house in a indonesians name and as you will be aware you would have to trust them 100%, remember it would just take one small argument or small disagreement and bang goes your investment. However there is one way you can do it but it is costly, set up a PMA company, google it and read about it. Wish you luck bet be very carefull.[/QUOTE]

A couple of years ago I was interested in buying a house in Jakarta and went to an agency called Century. It is true that you can not own property they told me. The only solution is a form of leasing. Forgot for how many years max you can do that and during that period, you will possess the immovable (leasehold is the term?) not own it.

[Cooze Hound]

The law on land ownership for foreigners is about to change. It would of course be prudent to wait and see the implications of this. There was another article in the Jakarta Globe 2-3 days ago, maybe online somewhere..

[Bellpepper]

Thanks to all of you for your advice. I will probably not buy any house - and if I do, I will be very careful.
/Bellpepper

[Bulai69]

[QUOTE=Bellpepper]Thanks to all of you for your advice. I will probably not buy any house - and if I do, I will be very careful.
/Bellpepper[/QUOTE]

As I said at the start - be very careful - and remember, even if they change the very complex ownership laws, they can always change them back again!

As for for putting a house in the name of an Indonesian woman "you can trust", that is an oxymoron if ever there was one...

[Bellpepper]

[QUOTE=Bulai69]As for for putting a house in the name of an Indonesian woman "you can trust", that is an oxymoron if ever there was one...[/QUOTE]
So you guessed that the "friend of mine" is a woman? :D Well, you are of course right.

I must admit that I had to look up "oxymoron" in a dictionary. But you are right in this case, too :D . A woman you can trust is an oxymoron.

[Gonzo Two]

[QUOTE=Bulai69]As for for putting a house in the name of an Indonesian woman "you can trust", that is an oxymoron if ever there was one...[/QUOTE]

[Hollow, humorless laughter in the background ...]

[1Ball]

[QUOTE=Bellpepper] A woman you can trust is an oxymoron.[/QUOTE]
So is "jumbo shrimp", military intelligence", and "smart politicians".

In Bali "freehold" land is quite the rage. Foreigners can buy through a nominee who really can't just turn around and sell it from under you. There is some degree of protection. Note, I said SOME.

From what I understand, this has never been challenged in the high courts, but when and if it does, who knows what will happen. This country is full of stories of tourists who bought land through a nominee (a lawyer for example). Please remember all documents are in Indonesian, and "legal translation" does not mean jack shit.

I have some fabulous ocean front land for sale in Bedugul, if anyone is interested. Cheap price misterrrrrrrrr

[ProfDesigner]

Just to add to this current thread about putting in a womans name...

Beware... A mate of mine bought a place in seminyak 10 years ago for a song. At the time he was deeply in love (lust) with a cute girl who he had brought to Australia a few times. Anyways he bought the place and of course put it under her name. Last year he decided he wanted to sell it seeing as he was now on a property that had skyrocketed in price. Well then the trouble began.

The then gf was now married to a balinese guy and they were using the house as their income. They would rent out every year to some expats for a good fee and not have to work all year. They never took care of the place and before it looked like a mansion now more a ghost house and the only way she was going to sell it was for 50% of the profit. He went to lawyers and they all said the same thing, that he had no choice or she could just keep for herself.

The long and short of it was he bought the place for $150,000 US and sold it for $600,000 US and she got $300,000 US... so yes he made a profit but got totally, totally screwed with the deal.

This is a 100% true story so please buyers beware.

The moral of the story, is never put into anothers name in Bali in the end you will have no rights.

Prof

[Menteng]

This still could happen.

Years ago a Dutch guy I know fell in love with an Indonesian girl. They got married and he bought a house on her name. The plan was to live in the house for the time he was placed in Indonesia. They lived happily in the house and ocassionally he left for backups in the main office in the Netherlands. When he returned from one of those trips to the Netherlands, he got the biggest (I think) surprise in his life. He found out that his wife has sold the house while he was abroad.

[1Ball]

[QUOTE=ProfDesigner]Just to add to this current thread about putting in a womans name...
The long and short of it was he bought the place for $150,000 US and sold it for $600,000 US and she got $300,000 US... so yes he made a profit but got totally, totally screwed with the deal.

This is a 100% true story so please buyers beware.

The moral of the story, is never put into anothers name in Bali in the end you will have no rights.

Prof[/QUOTE]
He probably sold it to a westerner who put it in a woman's name, and will sell it in 3 years for $900,000. The girl will more than likely get 50% of the profits.

I bought a small piece of land last year for my now ex GF. I didn't even bother to attemt to put it in my name with her as a nominee. We just put it in her name, as I knew that money was gone. If someone told me today I could have the land back, but I also had to take the girl back, I would decline, thank you very much.

Easy come, easy go. she had to drink a lot of cum to earn it, so no hard feelings.

[William Saw]

[QUOTE=1Ball]He probably sold it to a westerner who put it in a woman's name, and will sell it in 3 years for $900,000. The girl will more than likely get 50% of the profits.

I bought a small piece of land last year for my now ex GF. I didn't even bother to attemt to put it in my name with her as a nominee. We just put it in her name, as I knew that money was gone. If someone told me today I could have the land back, but I also had to take the girl back, I would decline, thank you very much.

Easy come, easy go. she had to drink a lot of cum to earn it, so no hard feelings.[/QUOTE]Why keep a cow when you can have fresh milk everyday.

[Dorman]

[QUOTE=ProfDesigner]Just to add to this current thread about putting in a womans name...

Beware... A mate of mine bought a place in seminyak 10 years ago for a song. At the time he was deeply in love (lust) with a cute girl who he had brought to Australia a few times. Anyways he bought the place and of course put it under her name. Last year he decided he wanted to sell it seeing as he was now on a property that had skyrocketed in price. Well then the trouble began.

The then gf was now married to a balinese guy and they were using the house as their income. They would rent out every year to some expats for a good fee and not have to work all year. They never took care of the place and before it looked like a mansion now more a ghost house and the only way she was going to sell it was for 50% of the profit. He went to lawyers and they all said the same thing, that he had no choice or she could just keep for herself.

The long and short of it was he bought the place for $150,000 US and sold it for $600,000 US and she got $300,000 US... so yes he made a profit but got totally, totally screwed with the deal.

This is a 100% true story so please buyers beware.

The moral of the story, is never put into anothers name in Bali in the end you will have no rights.

Prof[/QUOTE]

Am I the only one who reckons the girl treated the bloke very decently by giving him 50%?

Let's examine the facts, ten years ago a bloke buys his then girlfriend a piece of property, a not unusual occurence anywhere in the world. They later split up and she goes on to marry someone else and gets on with her life using the property -which is lawfully and morally hers without question- as a means of providing for her family. Then suddenly the ex-boyfriend who decides he needs some cash comes back on the scene demanding the property back!

Fuck him I say, she was very fair to give him 50%, he wouldn't have got a penny out of me.

In this case it is the westerner, not the Indonesian, who is the scheming, snivelling, grasping, nasty piece of goods if you ask me.

[Raverboy]

[QUOTE=Dorman]Am I the only one who reckons the girl treated the bloke very decently by giving him 50%?

Let's examine the facts, ten years ago a bloke buys his then girlfriend a piece of property, a not unusual occurence anywhere in the world. They later split up and she goes on to marry someone else and gets on with her life using the property -which is lawfully and morally hers without question- as a means of providing for her family. Then suddenly the ex-boyfriend who decides he needs some cash comes back on the scene demanding the property back!

Fuck him I say, she was very fair to give him 50%, he wouldn't have got a penny out of me.

In this case it is the westerner, not the Indonesian, who is the scheming, snivelling, grasping, nasty piece of goods if you ask me.[/QUOTE]

No, you're not the only one. Agreed.

I don't see how he got "totally, totally screwed with the deal". He was lucky to have been able to recoup his profit of 100%. He put the house in her name, so he could have walked away with nothing. What I would have done is to put both names on the house title deed and get a good Indo lawyer (do they exist?) to draw up something between her and I that is binding and mutually agreeable in the event of a split. If anything, those we can be sure of, right? :D

[Vulcanizer]

Can bule's have a property in their own name now?

Put your trust in an Indo lawyer.....?!

$150,000 profit......where's the problem?!

As said already, lucky to get that!

V

[1Ball]

[QUOTE=Vulcanizer]Can bule's have a property in their own name now?

Put your trust in an Indo lawyer.....?!

$150,000 profit......where's the problem?!

As said already, lucky to get that!

V[/QUOTE]

Bule cannot own property in indo.

A trustworthy indo lawyer...........ROFLMAO..
this story is fuzzy in my head, so my facts might not be 100% correct.

A Russian gentleman wanted to buy a house here. He hired a lawyer, and handed over close to 250,000 USD to the guy. The lawyer took off with the money. He was tried and sentenced to a 25,000$ fine, and his license was revoked for 30 days. He was not asked to return the money.

A trustworthy Indo lawyer............ROFLMAO again.

[1Ball]

[QUOTE=Dorman]Am I the only one who reckons the girl treated the bloke very decently by giving him 50%?

Let's examine the facts, ten years ago a bloke buys his then girlfriend a piece of property, a not unusual occurence anywhere in the world. They later split up and she goes on to marry someone else and gets on with her life using the property -which is lawfully and morally hers without question- as a means of providing for her family. Then suddenly the ex-boyfriend who decides he needs some cash comes back on the scene demanding the property back!

Fuck him I say, she was very fair to give him 50%, he wouldn't have got a penny out of me.

In this case it is the westerner, not the Indonesian, who is the scheming, snivelling, grasping, nasty piece of goods if you ask me.[/QUOTE]
He didn't buy the house for her. He put it in her name.

HUGE DIFFERENCE.

If a foreigner wants to buy property here, it has to go in the name of Indonesia national, in the form of a nominee.

That doesnt mean he bought her a house.

By rights, he should have got it all back, minus a small percentage. It is done like that every day. The nominee gets a fee at the front end, and a little bonus at the end.

[Menteng]

[QUOTE=Raverboy]
What I would have done is to put both names on the house title deed and get a good Indo lawyer (do they exist?) to draw up something between her and I that is binding and mutually agreeable in the event of a split. If anything, those we can be sure of, right? :D[/QUOTE]
What about an IOU for any price the immovable will be worth on the day of sale.
Something like she ows you money and will pay it with the proceeds of the sale of the house. Anytime. Is that legally possible?

[Hung Man 1808]

Wow some savvy investors here. I know you are all going to jump at the chance to buy some CDOs I've come across, all sanctioned by Goldman Sachs and rated AAA by Moodys. You'll make a mint, nothing can go wrong... All I ask for is 10% commission to tell you who to call to buy them from :D.

The last week's discussion on here positively scares me, frankly..

The company path may be the best option, but you still are going to have Indonesians as the majority shareholders (and possibly directors) at least. There seems to be ways, I've heard guys doing some interesting things but I don't have the exact details how. But this isn't the West, and "Welcome to Indonesia!" -where anything is possible (to go wrong).

All things are possible, after all I am probably the lone bule who has had an Indonesian girl actually pay back a loan. Possible doesn't mean probable however.

[Hamaca]

[QUOTE=Hung Man 1808]Wow some savvy investors here. I know you are all going to jump at the chance to buy some CDOs I've come across, all sanctioned by Goldman Sachs and rated AAA by Moodys. You'll make a mint, nothing can go wrong... All I ask for is 10% commission to tell you who to call to buy them from :D.

The last week's discussion on here positively scares me, frankly..

The company path may be the best option, but you still are going to have Indonesians as the majority shareholders (and possibly directors) at least. There seems to be ways, I've heard guys doing some interesting things but I don't have the exact details how. But this isn't the West, and "Welcome to Indonesia!" -where anything is possible (to go wrong).

All things are possible, after all I am probably the lone bule who has had an Indonesian girl actually pay back a loan. Possible doesn't mean probable however.[/QUOTE]If you set up a PMA company, then it can be 100% foreigner owned.

[Jijjy]

While the rear window is always clearer than the windshield, the PMA would have been the best (safest) way to buy. Everyone that i know here contracts their land for 25 years with an option for another 25 with the price tied into rice, I'm not sure why a single man would be buying land here anyway and to put land in your girlfriends name would be a foolish thing to o anywhere, if there is no life-long commitment there why would he think there would be with his investment. While i do feel sorry for the poor schmuck . . . "a fool and his money are soon parted".


- jij


[QUOTE=Hamaca]If you set up a PMA company, then it can be 100% foreigner owned.[/QUOTE]

[Bellpepper]

[QUOTE=Hamaca]If you set up a PMA company, then it can be 100% foreigner owned.[/QUOTE]
I do not think I will buy property but your information about PMA made me curious.

I have studied a few articles about PMA. It seems to be the safest way to buy property. You mentioned that it costs to set up a PMA but loosing maybe 50% (or 100%) of the value - if you buy property in the name of an Indonesian - costs much more.

Do you know anyone who have done this and have experience?
How long time does it usually take to establish a PMA?
I read a statement that the cost is approx 35 million rupiah. Do you know if that is correct?
After reading the remarks about Indonesian lawyers there is an obvious question: You need a lawyer to set up a PMA. How do you find a lawyer you can trust?

Thanks in advance.

[Bellpepper]

[QUOTE=Jijjy]While the rear window is always clearer than the windshield, the PMA would have been the best (safest) way to buy. Everyone that i know here contracts their land for 25 years with an option for another 25 with the price tied into rice, I'm not sure why a single man would be buying land here anyway and to put land in your girlfriends name would be a foolish thing to o anywhere, if there is no life-long commitment there why would he think there would be with his investment. While i do feel sorry for the poor schmuck . . . "a fool and his money are soon parted".

- jij[/QUOTE]
Thanks. But would you please explain one detail for me:
When you write "contracts their land" do you mean that the contract gives them the "right of use" the land and they then buy or construct the building on the land?

Btw, my conclusion of the discussion so far is that it is much simpler to rent a house. I guess that the annual costs would not be higher. But of course you might get a profit when you sell the house. On the other hand you can probably find better investments than property in Indonesia.

[1Ball]

[QUOTE=Bellpepper]Thanks. But would you please explain one detail for me:
When you write "contracts their land" do you mean that the contract gives them the "right of use" the land and they then buy or construct the building on the land?

Btw, my conclusion of the discussion so far is that it is much simpler to rent a house. I guess that the annual costs would not be higher. But of course you might get a profit when you sell the house. On the other hand you can probably find better investments than property in Indonesia.[/QUOTE]
a land contract is a lease. You "rent" the land for 25 years, and build anything you want, with an option to renew after 25 years. Problem is, each day, as the period of your rental shrinks, so does the value of your investment.

In many cases, it is perfectly OK to buy, via a nominee. The wording has to be done correctly, and then you have nothing to worry about.

An indo friend of mine does very well for herself acting as a nominee for foreigners. she does it 4 or 5 times a year, charges about 2,000$ for her services, and has a clause in the contract that states upon the sale, she receives an agreed amount of the profits. Usually aobut 5-7%.

No problems this way, but it must be agreed to and spelled out before hand, you can't go in afterwards, and try to make things as you wish.

[Stopping By]

Profdesigner,

Thanks for the report on the Bali scam and land price rise. A lot of people, especially retiring baby boomers, want a piece of paradise.

But on your friend's case. It doesn't sound as bad as many other stories floating around. Of course, much better to have a profit of $450,000 than $150,000. But he doubled his money. He got something. Plenty of other people get taken to the cleaners, sometimes even threatened in various ways.

And on trusting the woman. And I don't mean to be an asshole. But what was he thinking? Was he a newcomer to Indonesia or just hypnotized by the power of the pussy? (Who could blame him on that one).

Again, don't mean to sound condescending, but sounds like he came off better than many.

Thanks again for the tale.

[Hamaca]

If you want to get married soon in indonesia to a muslim girl it is going to cost you ?.

http://www.thebalitimes.com/2010/06/01/cant-buy-love-indonesia-thinks-foreign-men-should/

[Amjeck]

i've visited Bali several times and am thinking of checking out jakarta. My problem with the indo women in bali is that it seems like almost all of them smoke. Is it the same in Jakarta?

[Koperen Ko]

[QUOTE=Amjeck]i've visited Bali several times and am thinking of checking out jakarta. My problem with the indo women in bali is that it seems like almost all of them smoke. Is it the same in Jakarta?[/QUOTE]Might be that you pay more attention than you would back home.

In Indonesia there are more smoking women than in Europe and (I guess) the States, but happily there are also quite a lot that don't.

And besides, in my experience most girls prefer to mandi before going to bed. A good habit which is usually combined with brushing their teeth.

Regards,

Ko

[FieldMouse]

Hi,

I am coming back to JAK for a week, but will need transport. Having driven in JAK for years the prospect does not scare me, but can anyone provide any info on local car hire place. I don't' want to be burned by Hertz, Avis etc prices, just need shitty old kijang to potter around in.

Thanks

Fieldmouse.

[Member #2041]

Any particular opinions about the different airlines which travel within Indonesia?

I'm looking at Garuda, Lion Air, and AirAsia. Garuda covers all of my destinations, while AirAsia is cheapest if it's available.

Particularly, does anyone have experience with the reliability of their websites for booking using American banks Visa or MasterCard?

I've flown on Merpati between Lombok and DPS, but their website is totally useless, and I had to pay an agent nearly the cost of my ticket to physically get the ticket into my hand at the Sheraton Senggigi.

[1Ball]

[QUOTE=Member #2041]Any particular opinions about the different airlines which travel within Indonesia?

I'm looking at Garuda, Lion Air, and AirAsia. Garuda covers all of my destinations, while AirAsia is cheapest if it's available.

Particularly, does anyone have experience with the reliability of their websites for booking using American banks Visa or MasterCard?

I've flown on Merpati between Lombok and DPS, but their website is totally useless, and I had to pay an agent nearly the cost of my ticket to physically get the ticket into my hand at the Sheraton Senggigi.[/QUOTE]I have several USA issued credit cards, and ATMs, and booking online with Air Asia is next to impossible, as all my cards get declined. Mandala, same thing. Some indo airline websites clearly state that in order to pay online, you must have an indo isued credit card. However, you can call the Air asia call center, and somehow, they push the credit card through.

Lion flyes brand new Boeing 737-900 aircrafts. Mandala brand new Airbus A320. Ditto for Air Asia.

IMO, best thing to do is buy at the airport on arrival, unless your credit card gets accepted online. If you can book online, it is all safe and secure.

[Westcoast1]

[QUOTE=1Ball]I have several USA issued credit cards, and ATMs, and booking online with Air Asia is next to impossible, as all my cards get declined. Mandala, same thing.[/QUOTE]1Ball, you called your card's issuing bank prior to leaving your country, and told them the countries (Indonesia) and dates you would be traveling? If not, you will possibly have oodles of troubles making purchases of any kind. The ATM card will work in this store, but then not in the ATM machine where it worked 2 days ago. Then not in the next store. Calling the card-issuing bank will solve the problem in an hour. Security feature.

[Member #3088]

I book tickets online with air asia frequently, but only after trying several cards. The problem with credit card acceptance isn't with air asia, but with your bank outside Indonesia, many of which have put air asia transactions on some sort of high risk list. At least this is what my bank rep tells me.

Avoid Merpati; it is the airline of last resort. Frequent delays and operational problems. Garuda, Lion, Batavia, Sriwijaya are all better.

[1Ball]

[QUOTE=Westcoast1]1Ball, you called your card's issuing bank prior to leaving your country, and told them the countries (Indonesia) and dates you would be traveling? If not, you will possibly have oodles of troubles making purchases of any kind. The ATM card will work in this store, but then not in the ATM machine where it worked 2 days ago. Then not in the next store. Calling the card-issuing bank will solve the problem in an hour. Security feature.[/QUOTE]
Westcoast, i travel between USA and AsIa about every 3 weeks. I never have a problem with ATM or credit cards. I juSt can't book a ticket on Air Asia online. i can call them in Indonesia direct, or the call center in UK which is open 24 hours, and they get it approved.

[Tiger 888]

[QUOTE=1Ball]Westcoast, i travel between USA and AsIa about every 3 weeks. I never have a problem with ATM or credit cards. I juSt can't book a ticket on Air Asia online. i can call them in Indonesia direct, or the call center in UK which is open 24 hours, and they get it approved.[/QUOTE]Does this only happen when you are in Indonesia? I tried an online credit card payment from Boracay, which was declined. Then I did it through remote destop from my computer in Hong Kong and it worked. A VPN would also do the job in this case.

[Westcoast1]

[QUOTE=Tiger 888]Does this only happen when you are in Indonesia? I tried an online credit card payment from Boracay, which was declined. Then I did it through remote destop from my computer in Hong Kong and it worked. A VPN would also do the job in this case.[/QUOTE]Tiger, so far its happened in filipines, indonesia, and hong kong. It happens every trip, with my ATM, my two Visa cards, and my AmEx. Lesson learned, call the bank/issuer of each card before departing; use the phone number on the back of your CC. Give them the dates and countries you will be in. Then it never occurs. Quite literally they expect you to do just that: call them in advance.

[1Ball]

Tiger, it happens regardless of where I am. I am in Indonesia now, and I must either call them at the call center, or go to the ticket office.

You other suggestions are way over my head. My computer skills are nowhere near as advanced as yours.

Westcoast, thanks for the suggestion. i will call my CC company today, and see if i can book online. Will let you know.

[Bellpepper]

What about the security of these airlines? For example, the European authorities do not trust the Indonesian aviation administration and their approvals. Garuda is the only Indonesian airline that is approved by EU.
/BP

[Fast Eddie 48]

[QUOTE=Member #2041]Any particular opinions about the different airlines which travel within Indonesia?

I'm looking at Garuda, Lion Air, and AirAsia. Garuda covers all of my destinations, while AirAsia is cheapest if it's available.

Particularly, does anyone have experience with the reliability of their websites for booking using American banks Visa or MasterCard?

I've flown on Merpati between Lombok and DPS, but their website is totally useless, and I had to pay an agent nearly the cost of my ticket to physically get the ticket into my hand at the Sheraton Senggigi.[/QUOTE]Member #2041,

I have fly Lion air 2 time from Jarkata to Bali good service and on time ,they do fly to most place in Indo and have alot of flight ,I ask for Garuda and the travel agent told me Lion is better airline price is almost the same .

Fast eddie 48

[1Ball]

[QUOTE=Bellpepper]What about the security of these airlines? For example, the European authorities do not trust the Indonesian aviation administration and their approvals. Garuda is the only Indonesian airline that is approved by EU.
/BP[/QUOTE]
Well, insofar as domestic travel is concerned, you can walk onto the plane with a nice cold beer in your hand carry, and nobody seems to care.

When you mention "european authorities", are you talking about the same authorities that allowed the shoe bomber, and the underwear bomber on board? I thought so. ;)

[Betong]

[QUOTE=Bellpepper]Garuda is the only Indonesian airline that is approved by EU.[/QUOTE]Nope, there are four approved at present, and probably a few more coming soon.

[Gonzo Two]

[QUOTE=Betong]Nope, there are four approved at present, and probably a few more coming soon.[/QUOTE]

An interesting statistic: you are ten times more likely to die in a plane crash on an Indonesian airline than the global average for domestic and international flights around the world. Mind you, the average is about one in a 100,000 or something (pulling a figure out of the air), so ten times higher and you're still likely to survive. Still, something to think about ....

[Member #2041]

[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48]Member #2041,

I have fly Lion air 2 time from Jarkata to Bali good service and on time ,they do fly to most place in Indo and have alot of flight ,I ask for Garuda and the travel agent told me Lion is better airline price is almost the same .

Fast eddie 48[/QUOTE]
Unfortunately, their schedule between Bali and Yogyakarta is terrible.

[Fast Eddie 48]

[QUOTE=Member #2041]Unfortunately, their schedule between Bali and Yogyakarta is terrible.[/QUOTE]to Member,

Lion air is on EU black list as a unsafe airline ,I don't know why the travel agent push this airline maybe better comission for them before Garuda .

Fast eddie 48

[Bellpepper]

[QUOTE=1Ball]
When you mention "european authorities", are you talking about the same authorities that allowed the shoe bomber, and the underwear bomber on board? I thought so. ;)[/QUOTE]
But the bombers were very unfair. As far as I remember they did not look like muslims, so the authorities had no chance to suspect them. :D

Betong: Thank you for the information. I know the risk that something should happen is small but I still like to fly with airlines that are approved not only in Indonesia.
/BP

[Bellpepper]

Talking about airlines . . . . does anyone know a good flight connection between Phnom Penh and Bali? My search engines indicate at least 7 hours trip one way and 800 USD for a round trip. So it does not seem possible to go to Bali just for a weekend. But are there maybe any small airline with better connections that is not found by the search engines?

I'm asking because I have just got a job offer in Phnom Penh.

Thanks,
BP

[1Ball]

Bellpepper

Air Asia (has flights into Europe, so you will feel safe.)
depart DPS 6.00 am, lands PNH 15.50. cost 160 USD OW.

the return on said airline is not possible same day.

[Mighty Spearsman]

[QUOTE=Gonzo Two]An interesting statistic: you are ten times more likely to die in a plane crash on an Indonesian airline than the global average for domestic and international flights around the world. Mind you, the average is about one in a 100,000 or something (pulling a figure out of the air), so ten times higher and you're still likely to survive. Still, something to think about ....[/QUOTE]
Yes, something to think about, although that statistic includes the crashes on Adam Air, which is no longer in business.

Garuda is the safest of the Indonesian airlines, although none of them reach the standards set by Cathay Pacific or Singapore Airlines. Lion Air is not bad but has the reputation for "postponing" maintenance sometimes (I heard this from one of my former neighbors, who worked for them).

[Prosal]

[QUOTE=Mighty Spearsman]Garuda is the safest of the Indonesian airlines, although none of them reach the standards set by Cathay Pacific or Singapore Airlines.[/QUOTE]
In 2008, all indonesian airlines, including Garuda, have been banned from flying to European Union.

Don't know if they are still on EU blacklist though. Maybe there has been improvements in their safety standards.

[Bellpepper]

[QUOTE=Prosal]In 2008, all indonesian airlines, including Garuda, have been banned from flying to European Union.

Don't know if they are still on EU blacklist though. Maybe there has been improvements in their safety standards.[/QUOTE]
All Indonesia based jets were banned in EU in 2007 after a series of crashes. In 2009 EU lifted the ban from four airlines, just as Betong wrote. These airlines are Garuda, Mandala, Airfast Indonesia and Premiair. (30 March 2010) Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_air_carriers_banned_in_the_European_Union#Indonesia

[Bellpepper]

[QUOTE=1Ball]Bellpepper

Air Asia (has flights into Europe, so you will feel safe.)
depart DPS 6.00 am, lands PNH 15.50. cost 160 USD OW.

the return on said airline is not possible same day.[/QUOTE]
Thank you. I think I will feel safe on Air Asia ;)

[Betong]

[QUOTE=Gonzo Two]Mind you, the average is about one in a 100,000 or something (pulling a figure out of the air), so ten times higher and you're still likely to survive.[/QUOTE]Just so we don't have to pull numbers out of the air, Planecrashinfo (a pretty reliable source) calculates that the odds of not surviving a scheduled commercial airline flight, 1985-2009, were 1 in 9.2 million for the safest 25 airlines worldwide, and 1 in about 840,000 on the least safe 25. In other words, so unlikely even in the worst case that it's hardly worth worrying about.

But we humans do worry, and there's a lot to be said for peace of mind when flying. Especially when the weather gets nasty, which of course happens a lot over Indonesia. So I'm happy to pay a bit more for what I perceive as a safer airline. But I try not to be too concerned when I have to take one that isn't. It's still several hundred times safer than riding a motorcycle, and I do that every day.

[Fast Eddie 48]

[QUOTE=Bellpepper]Talking about airlines . . . . does anyone know a good flight connection between Phnom Penh and Bali? My search engines indicate at least 7 hours trip one way and 800 USD for a round trip. So it does not seem possible to go to Bali just for a weekend. But are there maybe any small airline with better connections that is not found by the search engines?

I'm asking because I have just got a job offer in Phnom Penh.

Thanks,

BP[/QUOTE]BP,

I don't think there are direct flight I have check into that about 8 yr ago, you need to connect at Bangkok or HK not sure about now.

Fast Eddie 48

[Robert Long]

Special alert for the guys that want to summer in Indonesia. Ramadan dates this year are August 11th thru September 9th.

IF starts September 10th thru September 20th. During this period travel is very difficult as all the space is usually sold out and is very expensive.

Book accordingly and ask the bros here if you need assistance.

RL

[Jaimito Cartero]

Air Asia also runs sales quite often, so you might want to sign up for email alerts and the like from them. I flew BKK-PNH when the route was new for $50 or $60 which was 1/3 the going price at the time. They have a bit of the Southwest effect, drastically lowering fares when they enter the market.

[Raverboy]

[QUOTE=Bellpepper]Talking about airlines . . . . does anyone know a good flight connection between Phnom Penh and Bali? My search engines indicate at least 7 hours trip one way and 800 USD for a round trip. So it does not seem possible to go to Bali just for a weekend. But are there maybe any small airline with better connections that is not found by the search engines?

I'm asking because I have just got a job offer in Phnom Penh.

Thanks,
BP[/QUOTE]

You can do PNH - BKK then BKK - DPS direct on AirAsia. Alternatively you can do PNH - KUL, then KUL - DPS direct, also on AirAsia. Given a choice between the 2 I would prefer to transit in Suvarnabhumi instead of KLCC, but check schedules and fares.

The 3rd most straighforward option is to do PNH - SIN on Jetstar and then from SIN you have a myriad of options for DPS.

Happy travels.

[Bellpepper]

[QUOTE=Raverboy]You can do PNH - BKK then BKK - DPS direct on AirAsia. Alternatively you can do PNH - KUL, then KUL - DPS direct, also on AirAsia. Given a choice between the 2 I would prefer to transit in Suvarnabhumi instead of KLCC, but check schedules and fares.

The 3rd most straighforward option is to do PNH - SIN on Jetstar and then from SIN you have a myriad of options for DPS.

Happy travels.[/QUOTE]
Thanks, all of you, for your help!
BP

[Dinghy]

but if you do jetstar, watch the baggage WEIGHT - it cost me an extra $100 out of PP to get to SIN (baggage cost was about the ticket cost)

[Sharka]

Also, from what I remember once when I chose jetstar out of Sin, the taxes and fees were much higher for this airline than other low cost airlines. it may have been at certain times but it was much higher than the competition.

[Jaimito Cartero]

I recently read about a new two month visa, but am unsure if you can request it at the airport or not.

I have a 5 week stay at the end of this year, and really don't want to have to do a SIN run or anything to stay the extra few days.

I'm looking for quick and easy, of course, and hopefully without being banned coming into the country the next time. :)

[El Greco]

[QUOTE=Jaimito Cartero]Air Asia also runs sales quite often, so you might want to sign up for email alerts and the like from them. I flew BKK-PNH when the route was new for $50 or $60 which was 1/3 the going price at the time. They have a bit of the Southwest effect, drastically lowering fares when they enter the market.[/QUOTE]Mid April they had a zero fare sale. Too many destinations on offer up to May 2011. Ok they only offer a few seats on every flight but I only need one right? You have to be quick though because their site was so busy.

They advised me by e-mail about a week in advance so I had plenty of time to make my plans.

I booked a dozen legs paying only airport taxes where necessary. Later on I will have to book my seats,meals and baggage. Eg Out of Jakarta to Singapore I paid nothing for my booking since I will have to pay airport tax in cash there.

All the best and have fun.

Meu dois centavos amigo.

[1Ball]

JC, if you don't get the answers you are looking for, let me know. I know of a guy who can get your passport stamped without you or the passport leaving the country. Cost used to be 100$ a year or so ago.

[Hamaca]

[QUOTE=Jaimito Cartero]I recently read about a new two month visa, but am unsure if you can request it at the airport or not.

I have a 5 week stay at the end of this year, and really don't want to have to do a SIN run or anything to stay the extra few days.

I'm looking for quick and easy, of course, and hopefully without being banned coming into the country the next time. :)[/QUOTE]You can extend your Visa for an extra 30 days cost $25, 00 its not a problem, but you don't request it on arrival you have to go to immigration office at airport or Denpasar if you are staying nearer there, best to go 7/10 days before your 30 days are due to run out, you have to go twice, first time fill out the short form/pay your money, second time pick up your passport. You are only going to be 5 days overstay so if I were you I would just pay the 5x Rp200, 000 overstay fee and save the grief. More time to enjoy your hobby.

[Jaimito Cartero]

[QUOTE=1Ball]JC, if you don't get the answers you are looking for, let me know. I know of a guy who can get your passport stamped without you or the passport leaving the country. Cost used to be 100$ a year or so ago.[/QUOTE]

Well, I've heard of other people who just put some bills in their passport if they overstayed, but I've never done that before.

[Dazednconfused]

[QUOTE=Jaimito Cartero]I really don't want to have to do a SIN run or anything to stay the extra few days.[/QUOTE]I lost the plot date-wise last time I was in Bali and found, when I went to leave, that I had over-stayed 4 days.

The immigration officer didn't bat an eye-lid, merely called over a superior who filled out a bit of paper and I paid either $US20 or $25 per day overstay (don't remember exactly, but no more than $25.)

Don't know about the two month on arrival. I go to Bali in a few days and although I won't need that long, I'll try and find out if it's in operation yet and post on here.

[Rogue Wan]

It is officially 200 thousand per day. Recently overstayed 7 days and paid 7 x 200. You will have a major headache if you stay longer than two weeks and not prepared to pay on top of 200x14. And 'surely' no ones you wants to invite that kind of grief upon themselves. But hey it all relative. If you are cashed up and mobile everything can be solved with patience, a little grovelling and hard currency.

http://www.depdagri.go.id/media/documents/2009/05/28/PP_No.38-2009.doc.

This document details government charges for many things and is worth consulting before doing any transaction. If anything, to get a ball park figure of what you 'should' be paying, but not necessarily end up paying.

Case in point: Meet a young German fella at immigration office about 5 months ago when i was doing my one and only ever visa extension. He had paid a calon 3 juta to get his visa extended! Ouch I say! Cheaper to fly to Singapore and back! The official charge is 250 or there about

Bali could be different though. Anyone else experience with overstay? Cos true be had i only have the one experience and that was anamoly with employment crossover and Kitas ending.

RW

[QUOTE=Dazednconfused]I lost the plot date-wise last time I was in Bali and found, when I went to leave, that I had over-stayed 4 days.

The immigration officer didn't bat an eye-lid, merely called over a superior who filled out a bit of paper and I paid either $US20 or $25 per day overstay (don't remember exactly, but no more than $25.)

Don't know about the two month on arrival. I go to Bali in a few days and although I won't need that long, I'll try and find out if it's in operation yet and post on here.[/QUOTE]

[Cooze Hound]

As stated a couple of posts before, it is now a mere formality to extend your 30 day VOA (Visa on Arrival). In Bali the office adjoining, but outside the airport is best. They speak english and do not expect any "extra" payments. You must go 7 days before your visa expires. You go 3 times.. first time you get the form, fill it out and present with a copy of your Passport, existing VOA, and proof (ticket) of travel out of Indonesia. A week or so later you go back to pay the 250,000 IDR, the next day you go back and pick up your Passport. You can get any of the numerous immigration agents on the island to do it and they will charge around 700,000 IDR for the service but you do not need to go. Teh service is available anywhere there is an Immigration office and it is said that some offices will process the visa in a day or two. Obviously in other places there maybe issues with language and "extras".

As stated overstay rates are 200,000 IDR or 20 USD a day. Bali is strict and slipping 200,000 into your passport for a 4 day overstay is unlikely to cut it.

Happy hunting....

[Travel Spirit]

Are there several money changers in the area of Mangga Besar?

And more important, is the exchange rate good (I will carry euros)?

I' d like to refrain from using ATM machines.

[Fast Eddie 48]

[QUOTE=Travel Spirit]Are there several money changers in the area of Mangga Besar?

And more important, is the exchange rate good (I will carry euros)?

I' d like to refrain from using ATM machines.[/QUOTE]Travel spirit,

There are one in Lopsari plaza chinese own I have change money there a few time speak english well ,there are also bank next door and one money charger inside the mall but rate is not as good and they don't take some of my us 100 bill .

Fast Eddie 48

[Menteng]

[QUOTE=Travel Spirit]Are there several money changers in the area of Mangga Besar?

And more important, is the exchange rate good (I will carry euros)?

I' d like to refrain from using ATM machines.[/QUOTE]

You must have your reasons to avoid ATM's, but I leave my euros in the bank and use my debit/credit cards at the ATM's in Jakarta. I find it saver, because I don't have to carry cash that might be targeted by thieves. Both by amateurs and profesionals. A couple of years ago I reported about an American who get drugged and lost all his cash. Even those in the save. My experience is that as soon as I reported a robbery or loss to my debit/credit company, it will cost me less than the amount I would have had in cash with me.

You do have to bring some cash in US dollars though to pay your Visa On Entry if needed. Explore the reports from the last two months to find out how much that would be.

I'm sorry I can't help you with the locations of the moneychangers at Mangga Dua but I do know some locations of ATM's there, like the ones at Lokasari Plaza.

[Ceegee]

Some people might not want to use an ATM as they might not want to leave an electronic trail back in their home country.

Travel Spirit, any chance you are transiting through Singapore? I have found the money changers there to give a good exchange rate with no transaction fees. Worst case scenario change some at your hotel. Leave excess cash in your hotel room safe when you go out at night.

[Travel Spirit]

Thank you for your advice.

Until now, in my visits to Thailand and Philippines, I adopted the line of least resistance: the money changers. From your reports in Indonesia forum, I see that it is easier (and more economical?) to change money at ATM machines.

I also feel comfortable to carry cash abroad, as I have never fallen victim to robbery. Of course the money is in safe-keeping.

Anyway I will have with me both cash and cards. And wait and C.