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  1. #1554
    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Dawkins  [View Original Post]
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    Hi!

    Thanks for an informative and interesting post. But I don't think I will try it, if not by accident. I don't like to have sex with condom, and to have sex with SE-asian prostitutes without condom is both too risky and too easy to get persuaded into.

    I did however have sex with a nice girl around here a couple of times now. It was very strange however. She did some role playing thing, saying no with the mouth but yes with most other body parts, trying to get me to "rape" her. Anyway, I didn't feel comfortable with the whole thing, so yesterday I decided to try something else. I went out for a walk, took a look around in the old town. Most places around here seem to be scams. I didn't try any. But it was "pay first, everything included, no tipping bla bla", and if I know the north vietnamese tourist areas right, in the end only the 60 minutes will be included.

    Did however learn that prices are very negotiable even on the set prices of the massage. It's very easy to barter it down to half in many places. So give it a try. Don't just barter with the girls. Barter with the parlor and then give the girl a little extra instead, so the people doing the work get the money.

    Anyway, today I went to a less touristy part of the city, a couple of kilometers east of Van Mieu. I came there by accident, walking aimlessly. I had seen many places around, where it said "massage" or "spa" or something like that, but this one not only caught my eye, but held it. It was a somewhat crappy place. A concrete building with a neon light arrow-sign on the other side of the road, saying "Massage". The place had no entrance door. The only thing resembling a door was a row of slices of plastic fabric, of the kind that when it's no wind or movement comes together as one.

    Behind this crappy excuse for a door sat a man. He looked serious and I guess he was there for some security reason. I walked in and got welcomed by a not particularly beautiful woman. I asked about the prices of massage. 25 USD per hour she said, pointing in her book. Way to much, I replied. She asked how about 20. Still no. At 15 I said 10. She said yes as nothing, and I guess even 10 dollars was too much, thinking that I saw some places later that had 4 USD per hour rates.

    I got handed the only girl currently available except for the not so beautiful one who seemed to work in the register. This girl weren't very pretty either, but I don't care so much. I get the feeling many of the prettiest girls gets regulars solely for being so pretty, while not so pretty girls have to offer better service in order to keep the same customers coming time after time.

    I'm pretty new to this HE-massage thing, and I did not know what to expect when the girl told me to get of the clothes and started massaging. Would I have to ask or would she ask in the end? Would the massage be bad, as always in Vietnam? Of course it would. And since it was and she made it obvious what she wanted to massage, I asked her how much."Tip first", she said."After", I said."Tip first"."Massage first, after tip".

    I don't know if she understood. Maybe she was thinking I was trying to negotiate, but really I had only asked how much and said I want to pay after finish. In the end I just thought why not pay first, she didn't seem to be very tricksy, so I said 200 and she was ok with it.

    I still did not know what would happen. I was thinking 200 was perhaps only for a hand job, but she began sucking, sucking good too. She asked me to touch her. I sucked her nipples and began fingering her. After some time I came. She didn't care to massage more, and I didn't care to get more crappy massage either, so I didn't complain when she laid down on the bed with me. After some time cuddling, she pointed at my dick, it was hard again, and she asked if we should do it again. Ok, I said, but I tried with 100 this time. I didn't even want it so much such a short time after the first one. But she was ok with 100 and it would feel stupid not to accept such a good price.

    It was hard to come this time, but eventually I did and then we laid on the bed for some time more before I got dressed. She asked me for my number and where my hotel was. She seemed up for boom boom. 1.5 million she wrote on the telephone. I declined but gave her a 100 extra in tip and left to go get something to eat.

    Overall a surprisingly good experience for a surprisingly low price. Only problem is the BJ is all they can offer, there aren't any steam shower or jacuzzi next door. And I guess for a steam shower and a jacuzzi it's worth to pay a bit extra. If it just weren't for those places being so sterile and industrial, girls having numbers instead of names and what not.

  2. #1553
    Quote Originally Posted by DonkeyNumber2  [View Original Post]
    Prices are a little too high for me.
    If you want to have a cheap non-GFE fuck with some local working girls, you can find the street walkers not too far from the Old Quarter in the evenings. Head to the Hanoi Opera House, a few minute walk from the Hoan Kiem Lake, head down the road along the left hand side of the Opera House (as you face it) , and then at the end of the road (about 300m) turn right and you'll see anywhere from a couple to a dozen girls spaced out along the pavement seemingly watching the world go by. If it's after dark, all these girls are working girls. Boom-boom seems to be the universally understood word. Negotiate a price; you should be able to get them down to around 400k vnd, holding up fingers is a valid negotiating strategy if you don't speak the language. Try not to appear too new to it all to get the best price. Obviously the more girls that are there, the stronger your negotiating position. Once a price is agreed they'll take you over the road to a short time hotel, this is a lot easier if you have a bike, if not some of them do and you can jump on the back. You'll then have to pay 100k to the hotel for the room and will be given a condom at the desk.

    Rooms are pretty grotty, but not to the point that you won't want to do the deed. A quick shower if you want and then down to business. This won't be a GFE as I said, but you'll get a quick enjoyable fuck. Don't expect BJ or anything like that, or if you do expect that they'll want extra money. After you've shot your wad just leave, no fuss. They may try to ask you for a tip afterwards, just say no and leave, don't let them guilt you into something you don't need to do.

    Quality and looks of the girls varies but you can usually find a pretty good looking one. If they try to get you to have 2 of them go with you together, don't bother, it'll be half the service from each girl for twice the price (you're not staring in your own porn film with these girls) and the constantly swapping condoms will start to grate, not to mention it's harder to keep your eyes on two girls at once to make sure you stuff doesn't disappear from your pockets (never had it happen to me, but no point taking chances).

  3. #1552

    Wrong word

    I meant the girls are often a bit disappointing in the looks department anyway not dissociating.

  4. #1551

    Spa ripoff

    In line with the Sakura report below below I agree places like zeus and Sakura are really just places with high prices and should really be avoided unless your say a short term business man just passing through. I went to zeus the other day and paid the now minimum 350 ticket price for one hour. Had a decent but unexceptional un playful massage before being asked right near the end the massababi question. I indicated a 200 k tip but she said no 500k but for what looked to be a rather generic clinical HJ coming I declined and left with no extras I couldn't be bothered negotiating further. Annoying when you know the locals can go there and just tip 200-300 k. So I headed down the road to my local massage place with a 150 ticket price and then had the best massage / HJ I have ever had in hanoi and after living here for 3 years I have had a lot. The girl was more attractive than the zeus girl anyway. She made me so exceptionally happy I tipped her 500 k anyway though I can usually tip 200 k there and even 100 one time with no problems. So given the hit and miss nature of massage experiences and the fact that the service in cheaper places is often just the same or better then your better of going local most of the time, zeus is really just the same product dressed up with a high price and the girls are often a bit dissociating in the looks department anyway.

  5. #1550
    Quote Originally Posted by LuvAsianTang  [View Original Post]
    On the other hand I've had many hot young girls in vietnam (18 and older) with little or no effort. I've even experienced what I considered a 10 and a very enthusiastic one at that. Don't get me wrong, I've also had some bad sexperiences as well but the former far outweighs the later.

    Enough to say that vietnam is a viable pooning environment.

    It may depend on your expectations or your approach too.

    Later, LAT.
    Can you send me some photos of viet hotties? I am all but given up the idea that vietnam has any hotties left (all gone to overseas pastures). I have been meaning to visit for a long long time. But I have gotten accustomed to Chinese beauties especially from the north east province. I am at a point where if I do go to vietnam to enjoy the beaches, I will just take a Chinese female "friend" with me at my expense. But. I rather not bring sand to the beach if at all possible. If I wasn't so god damn picky.

  6. #1549
    Are many girls in Hanoi liberal regarding sexual relationships? I've had some recent experiences that has made me reevaluate the Hanoian girls attitudes towards sex with strangers. Before I was thinking they're much more conservative than girls in other major cities in SE-asia, but I'm not so sure anymore. Now I'd say they're seemingly less conservative.

    Is it just me?

    I would blame the cheating-mentality on the Chinese influence.

  7. #1548

    On the other hand

    Quote Originally Posted by LukeSkywalker  [View Original Post]
    There are just too many scams in Vietnam, everywhere from Hanoi down to central parts then HCMC, against foreigners and even against their own native people. It's very frustrating dealing with Vietnamese.

    I was with a group of European tourists trekking through Vietnam. These Europeans were very sympathetic with the Vietnamese for having to endure a very long and very brutal war against the Americans. But everywhere we went, there were young and old people trying to cheat them out of small change. After having to deal with so many repeated attempts at cheating, these normally very kind and generous tourists just got very angry.

    My feelings are that Vietnamese is a very hardened people by the very poor economic conditions and perhaps by the extreme brutalities during the long war. They are not easy, kind and gentle to deal with. Cambodians and Laotians went through the same brutal war, but they are much kinder and easier going when you deal with them. I cannot explain it.

    It's not easy to find good-looking girls for good sex in Vietnam. The old Communist leaders are deadly ashamed that their young girls have to fuck foreigners for their living. So they go all out prosecuting prostitution to foreigners. It's just not worth the effort to hunt for sex in Vietnam.
    On the other hand I've had many hot young girls in vietnam (18 and older) with little or no effort. I've even experienced what I considered a 10 and a very enthusiastic one at that. Don't get me wrong, I've also had some bad sexperiences as well but the former far outweighs the later.

    Enough to say that vietnam is a viable pooning environment.

    It may depend on your expectations or your approach too.

    Later, LAT.

  8. #1547

    Scams in Vietnam

    There are just too many scams in Vietnam, everywhere from Hanoi down to central parts then HCMC, against foreigners and even against their own native people. It's very frustrating dealing with Vietnamese.

    I was with a group of European tourists trekking through Vietnam. These Europeans were very sympathetic with the Vietnamese for having to endure a very long and very brutal war against the Americans. But everywhere we went, there were young and old people trying to cheat them out of small change. After having to deal with so many repeated attempts at cheating, these normally very kind and generous tourists just got very angry.

    My feelings are that Vietnamese is a very hardened people by the very poor economic conditions and perhaps by the extreme brutalities during the long war. They are not easy, kind and gentle to deal with. Cambodians and Laotians went through the same brutal war, but they are much kinder and easier going when you deal with them. I cannot explain it.

    It's not easy to find good-looking girls for good sex in Vietnam. The old Communist leaders are deadly ashamed that their young girls have to fuck foreigners for their living. So they go all out prosecuting prostitution to foreigners. It's just not worth the effort to hunt for sex in Vietnam.

  9. #1546

    Sakura Massage

    Tourist rip-off.

    Headed to Sakura massage after reading earlier reports on here suggesting a BJ with the girl getting naked would be had for ballpark one million including the ticket price and tip.

    On the reception desk there is a sign with three options. 90min for 550k, two hours for 650k and two girls for around 900k from memory. I chose the two hour option.

    The place is very well decorated and maintained. The rooms are also very nice, with a massage table, tub and sauna. The attendant will bring girls one at a time, if you don't like the first one you can request to see the next one.

    The run down was sauna (at the limit of endurance I have to say) , rub down in the tub followed by normal massage. During all of this she stayed dressed (in a tight red dress). After the normal massage she laid down beside me and brushed junior, asking if I wanted her to massage or kiss it. Contrary to the previous poster's experience she wanted to clarify the tip first. To put it simply, her expectations were not in line with reality. After bargaining she came down to 500k for a hand job and one million for a blow job, with justification that some Koreans give a tip of two or three million. I politely declined, and she looked pissed off when I left a tip of 200k for just the massage.

    All of this took one hour and 15 minutes, after which the staff at the front counter still wanted to charge the two hour rate. I paid the 90 min price and left.

    In my opinion rule of thumb anywhere is generally to go local, which in Hanoi means a good BJ job for around 400k (from a single experience) in the Tam Quats and let the inflated tourist places like this die out. If just a HJ is your thing I am sure a service provider in a Tam Quat would still oblige.

    Would not be hard finding a freebie in this town if here long enough and some Vietnamese language, you'the be lucky if only a short term visitor however.

  10. #1545
    Quote Originally Posted by Mianbao  [View Original Post]
    Went for a wander down Thuy Khue, which according to earlier reports on here is Tam Quat central. Tam Quats are supposedly barber shops, but in reality look nothing of the sort and it is quite obvious what they are. Finding them was straight forward, they have illuminated signs and at night they stand out. The interior is usually lit by pink lighting.

    The girls offering the service might not be immediately visible. In most there were a couple of people (perhaps the owner, a family, whoever) sitting around watching TV, but if you walk in they will know what you are there for. At the one I went to I poked my head in the entrance, a girl came over and said 'massage', which was about her only word of English, and lead me upstairs.

    The place was basic, a few narrow beds separated by curtains.

    I showed her a bank note and indicated that I wanted a piece of paper, she came back and wrote 300, 000 on it..
    Great review Mianbao! I will be there is year. I can't wait

  11. #1544
    Really agree, it's a totally different city now during winter, it's so empty. Hoan Kiem was very very busy all day and night long during my last stay. Now it's like a ghost back packer district. But it's still nice. The thing I miss the most except for just being able to sit and relax in the sun is all the pretty girls riding motorbike, with those sexy dust and gas-protection masks on.

    Prices are a little too high for me. Paying 35 dollars for company while drinking (having to buy the girls drinks too, I guess) is not just a little over the top, it's plain ridiculous, especially compared to prices for other things around here. With that kind of prices they must have some kind of rule, that if the girl does not live up to the expectations, it's allowed to change? Wondering, just in case haha.

    Would be fun just to see what's up in Hanoi, with the red lighty things I mean. But it doesn't seem to be so interesting unless you either like karaoke, get lucky with the masseuse or have a big budget. At least not compared to most other places here in SE-asia. But I think just going for the normal girls would be better. I love all the cute girls around here. It's something very special with the hanoian girls. So cute so cute and so beautiful so beautiful too, at the same time. I can just walk around all day and look at them.

    You know any good clubs, bars, streets or anything, where I can meet locals who wants to meet foreigners? Around Hoan Kiem was great after last rainy season, but now when it's so damn cold not so many girls sit around the lake no more. Unless they already have a guy to keep them warm, that is.

    Anyone know somewhere I can get a HE combined with a real good massage, BTW? It's very rare with good massage, slow, strong, silent masseuses. Like it when the masseuses sit at me, rub themselves against me etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ong Tay  [View Original Post]
    Hey DonkeyNumber2,

  12. #1543
    I'm usually not one to rain on somebody's parade, but let me just share a cautionary tale, as it were. The low end Tam Quats (simply Vietnamese for Massage) specializing in this kind of service get a lot of customers, and with a BBBJ chances are you're going to get sick. Just think of what this girl does all night. A quote from The Grey movie sticks in my mind, "The gave me the clap like it was gift wrapped." Luckily the required medicine is also readily available over the counter in Hanoi if it's nothing too serious. Just a friendly reminder to have fun, but stay safe!

  13. #1542

    Tam Quat

    Went for a wander down Thuy Khue, which according to earlier reports on here is Tam Quat central. Tam Quats are supposedly barber shops, but in reality look nothing of the sort and it is quite obvious what they are. Finding them was straight forward, they have illuminated signs and at night they stand out. The interior is usually lit by pink lighting.

    The girls offering the service might not be immediately visible. In most there were a couple of people (perhaps the owner, a family, whoever) sitting around watching TV, but if you walk in they will know what you are there for. At the one I went to I poked my head in the entrance, a girl came over and said 'massage', which was about her only word of English, and lead me upstairs.

    The place was basic, a few narrow beds separated by curtains.

    I showed her a bank note and indicated that I wanted a piece of paper, she came back and wrote 300, 000 on it. Seemed fair enough to me, although actually I didn't know what level of service I'the be getting, HJ or BJ.

    She then indicated that I should take my pants off and lie down. She didn't waste any time in getting herself topless and starting on a BBBJ. Nice!

    The service wasn't too rushed, and was a BBBJ supplemented by a HJ, she let me caress and kiss her breasts.

    When done she said her second English word, 'hotel', however as I don't speak Vietnamese and her English I imagine that would have been a nightmare to arrange. Nice to know that was on the menu for next time, barring that obstacle. I then got dressed, and handed her the 300k. She said her third English word 'tip', so I indicated shock and that she had written 300k, but handed her another 50. She said 'OK', but she looked a bit disappointed so being a bit soft I gave her another 100. I presume therefore that around 400 is ballpark, and compared to pricing in other parts of Asia it isn't a bad deal.

    I would rate her a 7/10, and would certainly do her in my hotel if the language barrier could be overcome.

  14. #1541
    Hey DonkeyNumber2,

    Welcome to Hanoi! Sorry that you came at a bad time, sooo cold and rainy here now!

    For the tourist here for a short stay, I recommend going to the basement of the Fortuna hotel. Pick from one of the 300 ladies, pay $35 for a girl to sit and drink with you, $45 or something like that for the hotel room (but they ask for your passport now!) , $100 shorttime for the girl or $150 overnight. Yes this is the premium price but the girls are probably the best you will find in Hanoi and no need to haggle about price. The same goes for the Hanoi Hotel, the bar up the stairs next to the lobby, prices and quality of girls are about the same.

    For massage with a happy HJ ending, go to the top of Fortuna hotel spa, Zeus spa, or Oasis Spa. You get naked and go into the steam room, then the girl gives you a bath, washes your hair, a decent massage, then the "massage baby?" question and a happy ending. Massage costs anywhere from 400-600k ($20-30) for 90 minutes and then tip for the girl 200-500k.

    Otherwise you can do the old fashioned way and date a local from the WeChat app or the Vietnam Cupid website. But that takes a lot more work.

    BTW you have to buy a premium membership to send / receive private messages.

  15. #1540
    Quote Originally Posted by Ong Tay  [View Original Post]
    You can pm me if you need a personal tour guide LOL.
    I'm also a new member! Don't know how to send pms, but wonder if you're still up to take someone for a little tour.

    I arrived in Hanoi yesterday evening. I have been here once before, right at the end of the last rainy season. But it was before I ever tried anything that had to do with boom boom or lady massage, and I have no experience whatsoever of that aspect of Hanoi. I do like the city though. Would like to try a night out, just to see what it's all about, maybe bring a girl home if the rates aren't as high as stated in earlier posts. Or maybe for those rates too if the girls are nice!

    Will stay for some time, maximum two weeks I think.

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