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  1. #11514
    Quote Originally Posted by MarquisdeSade1  [View Original Post]
    FKK is generally better than USA Clubs
    What USA clubs you are talking about? What cities? Prostitution is prohibited in most of states.

  2. #11513

    But fear is an excellent movitvator

    Quote Originally Posted by Polyamorist  [View Original Post]
    I've mongered in Macau, and the girls seemed a bit robotic to me. It figures: if a girl has her mind on an exploitative contract, she cannot be in the here-and-now and truly responsive to her customers. But what use is a girl if she is not sexually responsive? The same applies if her mind is on a loverboy pimp: that is less attention she can give to the guys who are paying for it. It also means she is not going to be alive to opportunities to develop stable customer relationships.

    It's a nightmare if you go into a room with a girl and she starts taking phone calls from her "brother" or whatever. Fortunately this is very rare in the FKKs. I'd like it to stay rare.

    Basically if there is any external agency putting the girl in a box, that is unfavourable to the customers too. If a girl is in an actual factory you can ignore it, because you only see the final product. But in a business where the personal touch means so much, you as a customer don't want to be put on the assembly line.

    I also think it's a lame idea to try to get girls into debt the same way students in America are in debt, for much the same reasons. It means they will be driven by fear rather than excited by opportunity.
    And like the corporations that exploit the american student, they get them to incur a large debt, and they become less selective about employment options, they just need to earn earn earn!!

    I don't agree with it, but its a very effective model.

  3. #11512
    Quote Originally Posted by Pistons  [View Original Post]
    What we know is that many girls are getting picked up by loverboys / pimps etc after work. And we assume they need initial help to get from poor village country and into the FKK scene in the first place. What I know from the Chinese scene in Macau is that in order for the girls there to get out of the pimp contracts (initial money paid to there parents, and also for travel, room and contacts) were 100 000 Chinese yuan.
    I've mongered in Macau, and the girls seemed a bit robotic to me. It figures: if a girl has her mind on an exploitative contract, she cannot be in the here-and-now and truly responsive to her customers. But what use is a girl if she is not sexually responsive? The same applies if her mind is on a loverboy pimp: that is less attention she can give to the guys who are paying for it. It also means she is not going to be alive to opportunities to develop stable customer relationships.

    It's a nightmare if you go into a room with a girl and she starts taking phone calls from her "brother" or whatever. Fortunately this is very rare in the FKKs. I'd like it to stay rare.

    Basically if there is any external agency putting the girl in a box, that is unfavourable to the customers too. If a girl is in an actual factory you can ignore it, because you only see the final product. But in a business where the personal touch means so much, you as a customer don't want to be put on the assembly line.

    I also think it's a lame idea to try to get girls into debt the same way students in America are in debt, for much the same reasons. It means they will be driven by fear rather than excited by opportunity.

  4. #11511
    Quote Originally Posted by Pistons  [View Original Post]
    The problem trading on Mandy would be that her initial stock price would be so high that going further up would be difficult unless she started working longer hours. And then she'd probably have to move to Darmstadt / Frankfurt and skip those 4 h in the car every day she works. But I guess in investment fund on her could get her a nice comfy apartment in Darmstadt / Frankfurt as well. LOL.
    She's blue chip. Just buy and hold for the dividend.

  5. #11510

    June 8 TO July 20 6 weeks FKK everyday

    In the final analysis, I must say I have buyers remorse, I seriously would love my money back!! Does that mean I would never come back? Highly unlikely, unless my friends really want a tour? I did 1-2 sessions per day and only found 1-3 girls in that whole period I would love to see working in my favorite you. S clubs, generally speaking there is way to much hype and hyperbole on the forum, I posted a photo of a Russian porn star asking for someone? Anyone to rate her? Not one person would give her a number 1-10, that should of been a big enough red flag and I should have stayed home (I did not find one girl in 6 weeks prettier than her) sure there were some on the db but not in the fkks, all I can say is Germany is way over rated FKK is way over rated, if you live in the USA I say stay home, the forum likes to say if you like European girls you will love FKK, seriously? While Romania is in Europe some are gypsies with "untouchable" ancestry, there is a lot of faulty info on the forum, Germany in summer is a joke, its very hot and no one uses a / see the people all smoke like they are in the 3rd world people and most drive recklessly with very little regard for the safety of others, I thought western Europe was supposed to be more civilized then the USA? Hardly!! One of the worst things is the flies, if you don't like flies, like me I hate them, avoid Germany, nobody even knows what window screens are, seriously? Flies chew you up when you sleep, they are all over the food at the FKKs etc etc here's another thing I'm 100% German, and Germans in Germany are some of the rudest people I've ever met, the woman act like men and most of the men act like women with their feminine mannerisms and ways they dress, I sat near the front door of sharks and was shocked at the way "men dress" and carry themselves, like I was at a gay pride parade, was there anything I liked? Well not the FKK "food" haha or the FKK staff!! But some of the sessions were good, I did most sessions (99%) for 50 e, that's a decent price, change that and the whole format is worthless, I like the rooms, in USA Clubs I don't get beds!! At least of 50% of my sessions I regret if not more, I took them out of boredom and because I was unable to find anything "good" the service in FKK is generally better than USA Clubs, so if I can compare, ill give 1-10 scores.

    Prices USA 7 FKK 9.5.

    Service USA 8 FKK 9.5.

    Optiks USA 9.5 FKK 5.

    The use if condoms in FKK is retarded, I don't ever use condoms in you. S clubs, always BBFS, if anal is include, its going to be an anal creampie.

    I jacked off when I got home and it felt better than 90% of the sessions.

    Here's a snippet of my opinion of Oase Sharks GT.

    I can write for days so in the interest of brevity here goes.

    Gt is my fav, way 2 small, but nice staff decent food, way 2 small, the smoke was so retarded there was a cloud over the yard everyday.

    BTW it is illegal to smoke just about anywhere in the you. S and they are probably $20 per pack not like Germany.

    Oase is a joke, the girls are a joke, the staff is horrendous the food is atrocious, and what retard designed the place, the stairs up and down etc etc.

    Sharks is a very mixed bag, the staff at the desk is very rude, some of the bar staff were very nice / not all tho.

    The girls? Some were good, some are horrible excuses for humans, the food is ok, but I don't know how the girls eat that everyday?

    I will say the bodies of most FKK are more to my liking then generally speaking in the USA Clubs, I like the small tits and many girls don't have any tattoos.

    I hate silicone and tattoos, and in that regard FKK is better than USA, but when it comes to faces.

    WHOAAA.

    FKK is very inferior.

    Lets take Janine for example, many guys think she's so "beautiful".

    I will rate her, if she was in a USA Club.

    Body solid 9 even tho I don't like the tan.

    Face solid 5.

    Personality solid 0.

    And Germany is in big trouble! Walking down the street in ffurt seulberg Cologne ddorf monchengladbach Bruggen Darmstadt.

    You see 3rd world trouble every 10 meters, they worry about climate change and recycling what about culture destruction?

    And the new condom law is a joke!! You want protect women health? Ban smoking, 500000 wgs chain smoking like chimneys will kill many more than any BBBJs ever would.

    Smoking kills around 1/3 of all smokers, not to mention second hand non smokers.

    Sharks has huge selection. But like a Jewish guy from Tel Aviv that I met at gt that just came from sharks the day before like I did, he said.

    Sharks has lots of selection but 75% are unfuckable, and I laughed and said 75%? And he said ok I'm trying to be generous.

    I would say 95% are "unworthy" of 50 e.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...udy-shows.html

  6. #11509
    Quote Originally Posted by AllForBb  [View Original Post]
    I believe, July and August are vacation time for FKK girls. When usually they come back to FKK? Mid Sepertember, say 9/16?

    Thanks!
    That's a good rough generalisation.

  7. #11508
    They can sleep on the property just not in a room used for work purposes. So the clubs can sleep probably just re-allocate new sleeping space for minimal if any additional costs. What the clubs should do is to allow hobbyists to sleep in the rooms used for working then they can at least get some use out of the rooms.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mongerer88  [View Original Post]
    Not sure how much this "can't work where you sleep" rule will change the equation.

    I always figured the FKKs were the lowest cost options for ladies who can arrive by an inexpensive bus or train ride.

    If you consider the many South American ladies that work in Europe (primarily the Iberian countries) and in the Caribbean and North America, the costs would seem quite high, with an international plane ticket and an apartment. Same with Asian ladies who travel to other continents to work (and there are a ton of them). Beyond this, a lady can likely earn a greater profit during her working career if she can become an independent as soon as she can, but this requires an investment in technology and requires her to have a place to live and a place of her own (or shared with relatively few other independents) to work. I think that is a pretty large upfront investment, and few ladies from poor countries have this, or the ability to easily obtain it.

    Society of course refuses to accept that many women have far greater earning potential for what is between their legs than what is between their ears, and refuses to acknowledge that the earnings from sex work is probably the best chance for most of them to afford an education, anyway.

  8. #11507
    The problem trading on Mandy would be that her initial stock price would be so high that going further up would be difficult unless she started working longer hours. And then she'd probably have to move to Darmstadt / Frankfurt and skip those 4 h in the car every day she works. But I guess in investment fund on her could get her a nice comfy apartment in Darmstadt / Frankfurt as well. LOL.

  9. #11506

    When will girls come back from vacation?

    I believe, July and August are vacation time for FKK girls. When usually they come back to FKK? Mid Sepertember, say 9/16?

    Thanks!

  10. #11505
    Quote Originally Posted by Jnpr30  [View Original Post]
    I would have put a thousand on Mandy, and another thousand shorting Janine, LOL
    Why not trade them with 5 x cfd's? LOL.

  11. #11504
    I tried to sound smart by using a fancy phrase like "raison d'etre" but the lousy spell check "corrected" it to raisin the'etre, thereby making me appear dumber than my usual. Thanks a lot, iPad.

    What could work is a portal where the ladies would upload their photos and vids, state their business plans (how long they plan to work, how many days a week, what are their best attributes, and how much initial funding they need and payback terms) and mongers could crowd fund various individual providers, depending on how they judge their prospects. After all, no one understands investment potential more than prospective customers.

    I would have put a thousand on Mandy, and another thousand shorting Janine, LOL

  12. #11503
    Quote Originally Posted by UltraHappy  [View Original Post]
    Yes, yes, I understand. I have seen these documentaries about microloans. Some places employ social collateral as a means of collecting as well and have enjoyed much impact and success.

    My post was merely a comment that it's difficult to get repayment of loans from working girls, whether the loan is extended from a customer or a non-customer. That's all. Cultural thing.

    On another note, do working girls really need micro-loans given their income? Their income potential is not the same as some of these destitute farmers making $1-2/day. When working girls need a loan, the amount is usually not so "micro."
    Not sure how much this "can't work where you sleep" rule will change the equation.

    I always figured the FKKs were the lowest cost options for ladies who can arrive by an inexpensive bus or train ride.

    If you consider the many South American ladies that work in Europe (primarily the Iberian countries) and in the Caribbean and North America, the costs would seem quite high, with an international plane ticket and an apartment. Same with Asian ladies who travel to other continents to work (and there are a ton of them). Beyond this, a lady can likely earn a greater profit during her working career if she can become an independent as soon as she can, but this requires an investment in technology and requires her to have a place to live and a place of her own (or shared with relatively few other independents) to work. I think that is a pretty large upfront investment, and few ladies from poor countries have this, or the ability to easily obtain it.

    Society of course refuses to accept that many women have far greater earning potential for what is between their legs than what is between their ears, and refuses to acknowledge that the earnings from sex work is probably the best chance for most of them to afford an education, anyway.

  13. #11502
    Quote Originally Posted by UltraHappy  [View Original Post]
    Yes, yes, I understand. I have seen these documentaries about microloans. Some places employ social collateral as a means of collecting as well and have enjoyed much impact and success.

    My post was merely a comment that it's difficult to get repayment of loans from working girls, whether the loan is extended from a customer or a non-customer. That's all. Cultural thing.

    On another note, do working girls really need micro-loans given their income? Their income potential is not the same as some of these destitute farmers making $1-2/day. When working girls need a loan, the amount is usually not so "micro."
    Only when starting in the business. And the loan would probably be repaid after 1-3 months. Then again, the borrower could measure her by looks too. In order to set the risk at the right level.

  14. #11501
    Quote Originally Posted by Mongerer88  [View Original Post]
    I didn't mean funds from a customer. I meant a real loan out of altruism.
    Yes, yes, I understand. I have seen these documentaries about microloans. Some places employ social collateral as a means of collecting as well and have enjoyed much impact and success.

    My post was merely a comment that it's difficult to get repayment of loans from working girls, whether the loan is extended from a customer or a non-customer. That's all. Cultural thing.

    On another note, do working girls really need micro-loans given their income? Their income potential is not the same as some of these destitute farmers making $1-2/day. When working girls need a loan, the amount is usually not so "micro."

  15. #11500
    Quote Originally Posted by UltraHappy  [View Original Post]
    The correct technical term for a loan to a working girl is "donation," micro, macro, or otherwise. The term "loan" is usually reserved for the situation where one has a realistic expectation of being paid back the lended funds.
    I didn't mean funds from a customer. I meant a real loan out of altruism.

    This charitable concept, I think the term is Kiva loans but it has been a long time since I read about it, was started when it was found that there are a lot of poor farmers that don't want a handout, they want enough funds to buy or rent some land and seed to farm. They want a loan that they can pay back and earn a profit and feed the community. But there is no honest banking system around, just warlords, for them to get a loan.

    So they get the loan from wealthier folks who participate in this program, the nominal interest goes for administrative expenses, and the wealthy lenders just get back principal. If the loan is not fully repaid, the wealthy donor gets a charitable donation if his country's tax system allows that.

    The sex worker in a poor country faces many of the same issues as the poor African farmer. Does anyone really believe the nonsense that Korean women who did sex work in Korea thought they were going to another country to sew? They know that sewing jobs exist in Asia because there aren't any sewing factories in wealthier countries. But a person does feel bad when he reads about the often exploitive system that causes them to pay a fortune to get to wealthier countries to do the same sex work that they did at home.

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