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  1. #16074
    Quote Originally Posted by GrandaddyPerp  [View Original Post]
    Look to fill the entire time with actual sex when the business model calls for a bit of fore and after play.

    So, it a nutshell, the typical farang is more demanding, akin to going to a buffet and taking more than your than the fair share.
    Well call me savage. Fore and after play is for a girlfriend / wife. The providers are to wash me and then we have sex. I am far from being a spring chicken and when I'm with a provider and get an erection I have no more desire for foreplay and would like to use that erection immediately. Furthermore, the length of time in coitus before climax varies, sometimes longer than others and I expect that if I am within the allotted time I will be allowed to ejaculate as long as the agreed to time has not elapsed. If the service allows two pops then I should be allowed the opportunity to start a second one as long as I am within the agreed to time. Women are naturally built to have sex and some men have more sex within the allotted time than others, that expectation comes with the job. If they can't handle it then reduce the number of sessions or find another job.

  2. #16073
    Quote Originally Posted by ChristianG  [View Original Post]
    Not discriminatory against farang!? LOL funny. In my house it's called racism. Anyway I don't see any reason to come to this places and pay more for a girl that don't want to fuck with farang. Many other options in Bangkok.
    I disagree with the premise AlphaPunk2 put forward ie that soapy girls do not want farang customers. When I walk into the Lord or La Belle, most of the girls appear to be very happy to see me and more than willing to be selected by yours truly including the best-looking girls in the place. But, the farang tax is most definitely a discriminatory charge. So, if that bothers you, then skip the soapies. Except for the added expense, it doesn't really bother me much because I am always treated very well in all other respects in these high end soapies by management and the staff and because, in the case of the Lord, I always get the desirable girl I want who treats me way better than good in the loom.

    What bothers me far more is the palpable anti-white discriminatory environment going on in a few Pattaya Go Go's like Baccara Walking Street or some Korean owned bars in AC where the top girls absolutely refuse to barfine Caucasians or even look their way. I hate these joints. I won't even buy a diet coke in such bars anymore, let alone seek out that kind of NE Asian only focused girl. In the case of the AC Korean owned bars, it is a key part of the managment's business plan not to service Westerners. May the ungrateful racists all go bankrupt and rot. I laugh out loud thinking where South Korea would be right now without the USA backing their play.

  3. #16072
    Quote Originally Posted by AlphaPunk2  [View Original Post]
    The higher prices charged to farangs is not because the management wants to be taking advantage / discriminatory against you. It's because the girls generally do not like farangs and will need motivation (I. E. Higher pay) to accept them as a customer.
    Not discriminatory against farang!? LOL funny. In my house it's called racism. Anyway I don't see any reason to come to this places and pay more for a girl that don't want to fuck with farang. Many other options in Bangkok.

  4. #16071
    Quote Originally Posted by AlphaPunk2  [View Original Post]
    I've had this conversation with the staff at some of these places before. The higher prices charged to farangs is not because the management wants to be taking advantage / discriminatory against you. It's because the girls generally do not like farangs and will need motivation (I. E. Higher pay) to accept them as a customer. I frequent these places often before and after I'm done with my session. Just sitting down and chatting with the staff while watching the girls / customers walk in and out. I have seen outright refusal by some girls to accept farangs / Indians no matter how much more money the staff offered to quote the customer.
    Quote Originally Posted by GrandaddyPerp  [View Original Post]
    Savages may be the correct reason as to why they do this.

    I've discussed this topic at length with a friend who is a partner in one of these venues and he told me that the reason why there is an extra charge is that farangs often do the following:

    Try and strong arm the girls into providing services that they don't typically provide.

    Try to push for more pops than what other non-farang customers ask for.

    Look to fill the entire time with actual sex when the business model calls for a bit of fore and after play.

    So, it a nutshell, the typical farang is more demanding, akin to going to a buffet and taking more than your than the fair share.
    It's a bit naive to think the welfare of the girls is of much interest to the management. I'm sure they put up with some pretty bad shit from Asian customers too. It's all about racist attitudes and fleecing the customer.

  5. #16070
    Quote Originally Posted by GrandaddyPerp  [View Original Post]
    Savages may be the correct reason as to why they do this.

    I've discussed this topic at length with a friend who is a partner in one of these venues and he told me that the reason why there is an extra charge is that farangs often do the following:

    Try and strong arm the girls into providing services that they don't typically provide.

    Try to push for more pops than what other non-farang customers ask for.

    Look to fill the entire time with actual sex when the business model calls for a bit of fore and after play.

    So, it a nutshell, the typical farang is more demanding, akin to going to a buffet and taking more than your than the fair share.
    Uh, well that is one way of looking at it. The other is that we actually like sex and expect the gal to at least act like she does and are not there to claim a trophy so we can tell our friends we paid x amount to have sex with a pretty girl, even though she was a bit of a starfish. Fair share? If expecting a gal to provide either a PSE or a GFE and at least two pops for a session that many are paying well in excess of 100 USD for in a country where the minimum wage is less than 10 USD a day and the majority of degreed persons make well less than 3 k USD per month is more than our "fair share," then most non-Farangs must have pretty low expectations of what a "fair share" is. Sorry, when you are paying top dollar, you should get quite a bit more than a lazy gal that is looking to get away with as little as she can and a management that allows it. For the most part performance standards have decreased as prices have increased. Go figure. Well, I place the blame squarely on the Asian punter who does not make demands but settles for what he gets. Has had a terrible effect on the P4 P scene in Thailand in general.

  6. #16069

    Milfs

    Quote Originally Posted by *****man  [View Original Post]
    I don't think Addict is at all comparable to Nataree. The latter had young northern girls with no babies whereas the former has mostly milfs from Isaan.
    Milfs in Thailand seem to stretch the definition a bit as many have kids at a young age. For me in Europe a MILF would be in her 30's and probably later 30's. A girlfriend in Thailand has a kid of 17, she is 37 and my kind of MILF.

    Last week in Addict (my first visits to the location) they may have been milfs, but they were young milfs. All of the girls in the line-up of more than 20 girls on a Saturday afternoon appeared to be well under 30 years.

    The girl I chose was 26 and although a mother of a 5 year old (so a MILF obviously as I chose to fuck her) she was a delight.

  7. #16068

    No surcharge

    Quote Originally Posted by *****man  [View Original Post]
    Ocean is probably the best option at the moment for a soapy with no surcharge.
    After being in Bangkok for so long, I stopped worrying about surcharges and simply avoid these types of massage parlors. Just head over to the palours on soi 24 and soi 24/1 that have tons of girls and the prices are way cheaper than any massage parlor in Bangkok. And some of the girls are hot. Take your time and walk around that entire location and you'll see girl sitting out begging you to bang them. And the prices are 40% cheaper than what you would pay in a soapy massage parlor.

    In fact, these places don't even accept Thai guys, they only want foreigners and the price is the same for everyone. When I was in Korat a couple months ago I was happy to go to the massage parlor with my friend who lives there. The massage parlors there charged one price for everyone and the girls look a whole lot better than the Bangkok girl MP. I am not sure why there is any interest left in the massage parlors in Bangkok, it's not what it used to be 15 or even 10 years ago. Back then, you can get some really hot looking girls who were from the farm and happy to have sex with the Foreigner and provide a good level of service. Nowadays, the girls in the massage parlors tend to be older and unattractive and then they just go through the motions. I think the reality is is that most Thsi girls don't want to work that hard in massage soapy place. They were they rather work as a freelancer, or in a go-go bar, are on soi 24, soi 33, or soi 24/1.

    My advice, and avoid going all over town trying to find a massage parlor and just head over to Soi 24/1 and soy 24, and soi 33. Or, take a bus one day to Korat where there are tons of massage parlors and young girls who are hot and the price is the same at most massage parlors for all customers. The glamour of Bangkok massage parlors, in my opinion has played out long time ago.

  8. #16067
    I've had this conversation with the staff at some of these places before. The higher prices charged to farangs is not because the management wants to be taking advantage / discriminatory against you. It's because the girls generally do not like farangs and will need motivation (I. E. Higher pay) to accept them as a customer. I frequent these places often before and after I'm done with my session. Just sitting down and chatting with the staff while watching the girls / customers walk in and out. I have seen outright refusal by some girls to accept farangs / Indians no matter how much more money the staff offered to quote the customer.

  9. #16066
    Quote Originally Posted by *****man  [View Original Post]
    Yes, East Asians get one price and savages like us have to pay a surcharge. There's no way I'm ever patronising a place that treats people like that.
    Savages may be the correct reason as to why they do this.

    I've discussed this topic at length with a friend who is a partner in one of these venues and he told me that the reason why there is an extra charge is that farangs often do the following:

    Try and strong arm the girls into providing services that they don't typically provide.

    Try to push for more pops than what other non-farang customers ask for.

    Look to fill the entire time with actual sex when the business model calls for a bit of fore and after play.

    So, it a nutshell, the typical farang is more demanding, akin to going to a buffet and taking more than your than the fair share.

  10. #16065
    Quote Originally Posted by LAGuy5  [View Original Post]
    Some of the exceptions seem to be budget soapies, such as Avita (or Evita) and Meree (maybe now has a new name) where I was reasonably confident the prices I paid did not include a surcharge; it is possible things have since changed there, but I kind of doubt it.

    I avoid places with farang surcharges as they rub me the wrong way.
    Ocean is probably the best option at the moment for a soapy with no surcharge.

  11. #16064
    Quote Originally Posted by *****man  [View Original Post]
    Yes, East Asians get one price and savages like us have to pay a surcharge. There's no way I'm ever patronising a place that treats people like that.
    As some additional support for this, I have conducted two "experiments" to confirm what I already knew, i.e., many of the soapies charge a farang surcharge.

    Most recently, I went to some of the soapies near the now-defunct Nataree with a Thai friend. He did not believe me when I told him about the farang surcharge. So at each soapie we visited he asked in Thai the mama or papa-san whether they charged farangs extra. Each did not hesitate to say they did even though I was sitting in front of them and they pretty much knew my Thai friend would then tell me. The surcharges were in the range 500 to 1,000 baht depending on the establishment. In fact, at one of the places the mama-san showed my friend a price list that showed the Thai and farang prices for each level of girl.

    Not so recently, a Singaporean friend of mine who could speak Thai went with me to some soapies. We decided to enter separately and then compare the prices we were quoted. At most of the soapies he was quoted a lower price than I was.

    Another interesting thing is I once visited a soapy across the river that had a sign stating that they did not charge farangs extra unlike some of the other establishments. I believe that particular soapy was related to CPII (if I remember the name correctly), which also did not charge a surcharge. But not charging a surcharge is the exception rather than the rule, at least with regard to soapies frequented largely by Thais or maybe other Asians. Some of the exceptions seem to be budget soapies, such as Avita (or Evita) and Meree (maybe now has a new name) where I was reasonably confident the prices I paid did not include a surcharge; it is possible things have since changed there, but I kind of doubt it.

    I avoid places with farang surcharges as they rub me the wrong way.

  12. #16063
    Quote Originally Posted by LoneWolff  [View Original Post]
    What do you mean? Is there is a premium added on to the tab for non-asians?
    Yes, East Asians get one price and savages like us have to pay a surcharge. There's no way I'm ever patronising a place that treats people like that.

  13. #16062
    What do you mean? Is there is a premium added on to the tab for non-asians?

    Quote Originally Posted by *****man  [View Original Post]
    I can see there's a bit of a Lord love-in at the moment but it needs to be pointed out that due to their racist pricing policies, if you spend 4000 baht you're getting a girl whose true value is only 3000.

  14. #16061
    I can see there's a bit of a Lord love-in at the moment but it needs to be pointed out that due to their racist pricing policies, if you spend 4000 baht you're getting a girl whose true value is only 3000.

  15. #16060
    Quote Originally Posted by Vrsabien  [View Original Post]
    I never been to Lord but keep reading good stuff about it.

    Can anyone tell me what time it opens and closes? I can only attend after midnight but is it worth going then?

    Also the prices start from 4000 but the better girls (more model looking) are from 6000 up and the sessions all go for 2 hours?

    Finally, in your opinion (your personal tastes) if you only had 12 hours and 10,000 baht, best spend it on 2 Lord girls (5 k each) or 4 girls at 4 different shops at soi 24 oily (2. 5 k ea)?

    I am thinking the 4 girls in 12 hours at 4 different shops, diversify your investment / decrease your chances of getting a starfish?
    The Lord opens at 12 pm and closes at midnight. Don't bother going at 12 pm, there's hardly anyone there at that time. Best to go at 3 pm.

    I don't remember how long the session lasts, I think it's either 1.5 h or 2 h. Yes the prices are as what you mentioned but beauty is in the eye of the beholder. For all you know the 4000 baht girl could be the sexiest / prettiest one to you.

    You mentioned you can only go after midnight? There are hardly any massage parlours that are open at that time. I do know a few places that stay open till 5 am but you need a car to get there. If you're going to be taking a taxi it'll be difficult to direct the driver if you don't speak Thai well.

    Personally I pick quality over quantity. There are 10/10 girls that cost 5,500-7,000 baht for 1.5 h that I occasionally splurge on (but they are hard to find in the first place so luck also plays a part).

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