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  1. #15971
    Quote Originally Posted by Franciscass  [View Original Post]
    The GFE is the girl pretending to enjoy kissing and cuddling. It's not real it's a fantasy trip for the punter. Kissing and cuddling are nice, I enjoy them particularly with working girls who are naturally affectionate and yes there are some still out there but I don't delude myself, well OK maybe for a minute or two on occasion. But even then I know it's not real, it's a million miles removed from the feelings I have when making love with a real girlfriend and not somebody I'm paying to be with.
    What is "real", anyway? Sure, you won't experience profound love during a session with a working girl, but I don't with 90% of my "real girlfriends" either so far.

    There's huge difference between a GFE-style service, where the girl gives out the vibe (real or well-acted) of actually wanting to be with you (plus get the money), compared to a arm's length (or should we say, dick's length) mechanical service, where the girl does nothing to hide the fact that she'd rather grab your money and kick you out as soon as possible if she only could.

    One of the main attractions of Thailand's working girls used to be that they gave off the GFE vibe of being at least somewhat happy to spend time with you, unlike most working girls elsewhere who often don't do much to hide their disdain or sometimes even disgust for the customer (or if they briefly attempt to hide it, aren't very convincing). The former is not a fantasy or a myth, but a real, and essential, part of the experience, whose absence is blatantly obvious.

    Some of the exceptionally talented girls (like Ying from Tulip), even manage to make most punters feel somewhat special and having a connection with her, despite knowing that 3 other dicks have been through those 3 holes earlier in the day.

    I don't think GFE boils down to mouth kissing only. It's usually an important element, I've had borderline GFE sessions with girls that didn't do much DFK or none at all. They have a right to their boundaries and peculiarities, as long as they create the proper vibe of being happy to be with you and generally strive to please, and are subtle about steering you away from the few things they dislike.

  2. #15970
    Quote Originally Posted by Goatscrot  [View Original Post]
    Ah, a gal with a truly dirty mind and appetites like that is one of life's true treasures!
    Yep. The girls are just as dirty as we are.

  3. #15969
    Quote Originally Posted by Ixgzca  [View Original Post]
    I clean my own ass beforehand if I'm in the mood for rimming. I do know one girl that doesn't like me to wash before. She likes the musky, natural smell.
    Ah, a gal with a truly dirty mind and appetites like that is one of life's true treasures!

  4. #15968
    Quote Originally Posted by Paolo99  [View Original Post]
    Do they clean your ass before rimming or do they rim you straight during the BJ? I know in oilies the girls that rim take some time washing our ass during the shower but never experienced any rimming in BJ bars.
    I clean my own ass beforehand if I'm in the mood for rimming. I do know one girl that doesn't like me to wash before. She likes the musky, natural smell.

  5. #15967
    Quote Originally Posted by Ixgzca  [View Original Post]
    Sooooo many girls rim at the BJ bars. I was rimmed nearly everytime I went to a BJ bar this month. There was only one girl at Som's Haven who did not rim me. She also won't let me rim her. Everyone else provided willingly. Didn't even ask. I've been to SOL, Lulitas, Som's and Kasalong this month.
    Do they clean your ass before rimming or do they rim you straight during the BJ? I know in oilies the girls that rim take some time washing our ass during the shower but never experienced any rimming in BJ bars.

  6. #15966

    The myth of the GFE.

    The PSE comes as an advertised package and in its truest incarnation encompasses most or all of whatever sexual experience the customer wants to indulge in. Its hardcore sex, plain and simple and its real.

    The GFE is the girl pretending to enjoy kissing and cuddling. It's not real it's a fantasy trip for the punter. Kissing and cuddling are nice, I enjoy them particularly with working girls who are naturally affectionate and yes there are some still out there but I don't delude myself, well OK maybe for a minute or two on occasion. But even then I know it's not real, it's a million miles removed from the feelings I have when making love with a real girlfriend and not somebody I'm paying to be with.

    I chat a lot with the girls about customers and you know the hardest part of the job for them is the kissing which is why a lot are not into it. There was a comment recently from somebody who visited Kasalong BJ bar that when he tried to kiss her she refused saying none of the girls at the shop kissed. Strange they will suck your dick take your cum in their mouth but cannot abide touching your lips. Strange world we monger through.

  7. #15965
    Quote Originally Posted by Goatscrot  [View Original Post]
    Headed upstairs the other day at Kasalong with who might have been Min, braces and dyed blonds hair. When we got to the room and I tried to DFK, she refused. Also told me that none of the gals there liked to DFK. Kind of a deal killer for me, so I told her thanks but no thanks and left. Guess I need to try some gals at Som's.
    Min is cute sometimes but her BJ is garbage and her attitude is suspect. Even though she is young, her face without makeup is ghastly. Stopped picking her a long time ago. Lulitas has a better lineup these days, but admittedly worse facilities.

  8. #15964
    Quote Originally Posted by Phazze93  [View Original Post]
    Yes will most likely be negotiating for a 2nd pop IF I feel I can muster it. And no shame here. Admittedly, if the girl is smokin' hot, it will definitely be hard to contain my excitement & I don't mind letting her know that.

    As for my intent with P4P. I'm actually not doing it much for the GFE. I actually WANT it to be a bit more mechanical / transactional. Not going to lie. Currently, paying for sex gives me a sense of "total control" that turns me on more than a GFE. I honestly don't think a GFE will ever be better for me until I meet "the one" meant for me. I know this approach differs from others here who enjoy GFE, but I'm more in the P4 P scene to simply satisfy the carnal need of sex rather than the emotional. (for now at least)....
    I think it's important to clarify what "total control" means in this situation.

    I also feel much more confident and in control, when I pay the lady, and she accepts my money. But this control isn't over the girl. This control is over my own feelings.

    Because when I pay the lady as much as she asks, and she accepts my money, then this formal transaction is also formal consent. She agrees to have sex with me in a reasonable way. Her consent is like a promise that she won't change her mind, and she will let me do it with her from start to finish, as long as I do it with her in a reasonable way and don't hurt her in any way.

    And you don't have any strong consent like this in a normal situation, where the lady is doing it for free and there is no transaction. Her consent is much more uncertain. She gives you no promise that she won't end it on a whim, without a good reason. And that's what often makes guys feel insecure in this kind of a situation. Which makes sex with the lady less enjoyable.

    There is a big difference between doing it with the lady, when you feel sure and secure and when you feel uncertain and insecure. The first is much more enjoyable than the second.

    When the lady has fully and truly consented with you, then you can be reasonably sure that she won't change her mind, unless you do something seriously wrong. And this enables you to relax and fully enjoy your sex with this lady, without any worries.

    And for me, this is actually what GFE is all about. When I feel secure with the lady, and I enjoy it with her, then this is the GFE experience for me.

    Because this is the kind of experience I would have with an ideal girlfriend, who is very nice with me, and who doesn't give me any reason to feel insecure and anxious with her. Which is possible, but not very common. Quite often couples have arguments, disagreements, and tensions, which make one or both feel unsure and insecure with each other.

  9. #15963
    Quote Originally Posted by Crazy4Thai  [View Original Post]
    As referenced recently with a L0 lita's provider, some of the BJ girls rim. Does Nan?
    Yes. Rimming, DFK (not necessarily in that order), takes it fairly deep (though not necessarily DT), and slurps nicely. She's friendly and takes her time. Told me she does some naughtier stuff as well (like g**den showers) if you're into that, ask (I'm not). She's manages to be super-naughty and friendly GFE at the same time.

  10. #15962
    Quote Originally Posted by Ixgzca  [View Original Post]
    The fat chick there at Som's Haven is a queen deepthroater. Horrible to look at though. I only pick her when I really need some throat. I don't know her name but she's the biggest and fattest one there. True deepthroaters are hard to find these days, even harder if you want the chick to be hot. There is no one there close to the level of service of the deaf girl from before. She was just completely submissive, gave great BJs and loved being assfucked.

    There is a girl at Kasalong that I like as well. Her BJ is sub par but I pick her just because she is cute and I love watching her ass gape open when I rim her. Also, don't know her name.

    Som at 7th Heaven gave me a surprisingly deep slurpjob before. Someone trained her well.
    Headed upstairs the other day at Kasalong with who might have been Min, braces and dyed blonds hair. When we got to the room and I tried to DFK, she refused. Also told me that none of the gals there liked to DFK. Kind of a deal killer for me, so I told her thanks but no thanks and left. Guess I need to try some gals at Som's.

  11. #15961
    Quote Originally Posted by Crazy4Thai  [View Original Post]
    As referenced recently with a L0 lita's provider, some of the BJ girls rim. Does Nan?
    Sooooo many girls rim at the BJ bars. I was rimmed nearly everytime I went to a BJ bar this month. There was only one girl at Som's Haven who did not rim me. She also won't let me rim her. Everyone else provided willingly. Didn't even ask. I've been to SOL, Lulitas, Som's and Kasalong this month.

  12. #15960
    Quote Originally Posted by Goatscrot  [View Original Post]
    Brilliant. Ah, memories. So any talent there now?
    The fat chick there at Som's Haven is a queen deepthroater. Horrible to look at though. I only pick her when I really need some throat. I don't know her name but she's the biggest and fattest one there. True deepthroaters are hard to find these days, even harder if you want the chick to be hot. There is no one there close to the level of service of the deaf girl from before. She was just completely submissive, gave great BJs and loved being assfucked.

    There is a girl at Kasalong that I like as well. Her BJ is sub par but I pick her just because she is cute and I love watching her ass gape open when I rim her. Also, don't know her name.

    Som at 7th Heaven gave me a surprisingly deep slurpjob before. Someone trained her well.

  13. #15959
    Quote Originally Posted by Crocodilexp  [View Original Post]
    Speaking of Kasalong, they have a new staff member. Nan, IMHO the best performer at Star of Light, has switched to Kasalong. Bit unfortunate, since I really liked her doing it out in the open at the bar, and Kasalong doesn't offer that option.
    As referenced recently with a L0 lita's provider, some of the BJ girls rim. Does Nan?

  14. #15958
    Quote Originally Posted by EricSwiss  [View Original Post]
    I've been to Kasalong last week and picked up a cutie in full daytime named Min.
    Speaking of Kasalong, they have a new staff member. Nan, IMHO the best performer at Star of Light, has switched to Kasalong. Bit unfortunate, since I really liked her doing it out in the open at the bar, and Kasalong doesn't offer that option.

  15. #15957

    Min at Kasalong

    Quote Originally Posted by EihTooms  [View Original Post]
    An aside; lately I have touted the day shift at Kasalong Bar as having some of the best looking girls working at any BJ Bar around. But over the past 2-3 weeks, some of the better looking ones have gone missing. At least, lately I no longer see the best looking ones as I pass by the place during the daytime as I did previously. Don't know if they are on extended holiday, quit altogether or if it is a case where those better looking girls have been kept so busy they never have a chance to come back outside and take a seat before another customer is taking them back inside and upstairs. But I have not seen as many of those better looking girls working the day shift at Kasalong Bar as I did just a few weeks ago.
    I've been to Kasalong last week and picked up a cutie in full daytime named Min. Only downside was she wore braces, but given where her mouth was most of the time, I didn't get to see much of them. She was pretty skinny and wore nice lingerie underneath her uniform. I liked the couch setup, where she basically kneels next to me, as opposed to Dr. BJ's where she's in front trying to make eye contact. I felt the facilities at Kasalong were decent, certainly better than the L0 litta's description we just read. Damage was 800.

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