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  1. #15939
    Quote Originally Posted by Phazze93  [View Original Post]
    The only thing I'm truly worried about is. Well ill be honest. I don't think I last long enough for a 1 pop, 90 min session sadly.
    Viagra reduces sensation to the penis and makes you last longer and more difficult to cum. It also helps getting back into a second pop much more sooner and more reliably. Take 1/3 or 1/2 a pill and drink plenty of water before.

    The girls will easily, almost always, accept 1000 baht for another pop. That's a good bit of extra income for them as they only keep 1000-2000 from the whole deal. So nearly doubling their pay is easily going to get you another pop since it isn't even that much extra work.

    Also, I don't last anywhere near 90 minutes either LOL. I just go there for my own pleasure, however long or short that may be. It changes on the day / girl. But what really makes me happy is if I find a girl I actually want to stay the whole 90 minutes with to have an extra pop with (because she is physically turns me on that much). 95% of the time I just walk out after I finish, whenever that is I have no idea time kind of just blurs LOL. Sadly I'm not finding that much in P4 P at all in Thailand these days (stunners, models, etc). But when I do, I will repeat (until they get too fat LOL) and gladly get 2 pops (with the help of viagra for the second) because they turn me on that much.

  2. #15938
    Quote Originally Posted by Phazze93  [View Original Post]
    Not going to lie. Currently, paying for sex gives me a sense of "total control" that turns me on more than a GFE. I honestly don't think a GFE will ever be better for me until I meet "the one" meant for me. I know this approach differs from others here who enjoy GFE, but I'm more in the P4 P scene to simply satisfy the carnal need of sex rather than the emotional.
    I agree entirely with this perspective. You are paying her for a service to satisfy your needs not hers.

    It's understandable and arguably laudable to go into a session with the intention of wanting to give her the sexual buzz of her life, after which she cuddles up to you and tells you, you so strong man and leave feeling king of the hill.

    Reality check, that's not what just happened. Sure she had a good time but nothing near what you think she had especially if she is experienced and knows the "you make me so sexy routine."

    More important did you have as a good a time as you could have had had you concentrated on what turns you on.

    I'm not trying to burst anybody's bubble. I treat the girls well both financially sexually and with respect and I enjoy the GFE when it's halfway credible but it's about my orgasm (s) not hers.

    She's working I'm playing and paying.

  3. #15937

    I don't see the distinction

    Quote Originally Posted by Dan7373  [View Original Post]
    Western women aren't allowed to do it for money, except in porn. And that's why there are a lot fewer women like that in the West, than there are in Thailand.

    I think many western women have the potential to be just as good with guys as Thai women are. It's just that western women don't have the freedom to do it, and that's why they don't do it.
    Only in certain countries are women not allowed to be hookers, e. G. USA, etc. However western women can move to a move liberal and more lucrative country. What percentage of the young pretty Romanian women are hookers? Maybe higher than percentage of Thai hookers, since can be so lucrative for them coming from a very poor country. Even India has far more hookers than Thailand I have read, perhaps not by percentage. Plenty of other poor east European countries have girls willing to fuck for some money.

    The percentage of women working as hookers can depend greatly on how much money they could earn in a non hooking job in comparison.

    Hookers are looked down on in every country I think, not just in the west. However I think that Thai girls are far more reluctant to be seen as pornstars in public eye than western women. It again depends on how big the money incentive is.

    African girls are very willing to be hookers I think, in comparison to some other countries. Again it is a money driven thing.

    In both Europe and in Thailand, I have met students you are hooking to finance their studies, or at least it started out that way. In western countries we have girls not hooking but becoming erotic dancers or strippers (probably heaps of them in Las Vegas), in Thailand we don't have that. We have some girls working as non hooking Coyotes but not even getting their gear off.

    Thai girls can't make ends meet by working in a factory or being a massage girl with no naughty stuff. Why do they want to provide sex if they don't like it? Need the money. Don't want to work so hard.

  4. #15936
    Quote Originally Posted by Dan7373  [View Original Post]
    A lot of the money you pay at the massage place actually goes to the management and not to the lady. She might be getting only 1000 THB even for your first shot with her, with the rest of the money going to the management. Which makes your 1000 THB offer for your 2nd shot with her very reasonable indeed. She doesn't need to share it with the management. All of it is hers, just like a tip.

    And of course, if you want the lady to like you, then you should tell her that you like her and hug her like she is your girlfriend. But you should do it only in the private room, where other people can't see. Because in Thai culture, it's very embarrassing for women, including P4P women, to have any kind of touching or physical affection with guys in public. This needs to be done strictly in private. In private, Thai P4P ladies have no problem with this.

    And of course, you should tell the lady that she is too sexy for you, which is true, when you do her hard-and-fast, and you can't last.
    Yes will most likely be negotiating for a 2nd pop IF I feel I can muster it. And no shame here. Admittedly, if the girl is smokin' hot, it will definitely be hard to contain my excitement & I don't mind letting her know that.

    As for my intent with P4 P. I'm actually not doing it much for the GFE. I actually WANT it to be a bit more mechanical / transactional. Not going to lie. Currently, paying for sex gives me a sense of "total control" that turns me on more than a GFE. I honestly don't think a GFE will ever be better for me until I meet "the one" meant for me. I know this approach differs from others here who enjoy GFE, but I'm more in the P4 P scene to simply satisfy the carnal need of sex rather than the emotional. (for now at least).

    Quote Originally Posted by Dan7373  [View Original Post]
    I think it's important to remember that some of the best porn-stars are western women. And some western women, who do it for money, can be just as good at it as Thai P4P ladies are.

    Western women aren't allowed to do it for money, except in porn. And that's why there are a lot fewer women like that in the West, than there are in Thailand.

    I think many western women have the potential to be just as good with guys as Thai women are. It's just that western women don't have the freedom to do it, and that's why they don't do it.
    Hey man I appreciate your enthusiasm. But I was just talking about paying for sex instead of working for it LOL.

    I'm sure "working girls" here in the states are just as good if not better than their Thai counterparts.

    But I'm reluctant to indulge in the P4 P scene here in the states mostly because:

    -Its way more expensive in the states!
    -Not shitting where you eat! Personally, I don't relish the idea of possibly running into a girl I just paid to have sex with. Especially if I'm with a GF, a friend, coworkers, etc.
    To put it bluntly, if I'm hungry. I'll come eat. Not looking to have my food within arms reach! Thats how you get fat.
    -I'm simply a bit more attracted to asian women than caucasian. Maybe I'm going through a phase.

    But on that note. Does anyone have any places to recommend for finding short / petite / young / pretty spinners?
    As much as I love my tall, sexy, fair-skinned ladies. From all these reviews, it seems like that's ALL places like the Lord have to offer.
    I like some variation in my diet! .

    Quote Originally Posted by LoneWolff  [View Original Post]
    Not an experienced monger here but based on our experience last week, when I enquired the papasan at 2 places we were told to negotiate with the girls directly. We were offered second pop for an extra 1000 B by the girls. My friend could muster the energy to do it and gave fantastic reviews of the girl. After one I was so spent that I didn't bother. However I had a great time as well.

    I will be writing detailed reviews later since I just got back to Home base.
    I'll definitely aim for a 2nd pop. If I can get over that "disgusted with myself" feeling ASAP LOL.

    I will definitely be posting very detailed reviews of each encounter I have here after my trip. It'll be the "50 shades of THAI" ISG style.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goatscrot  [View Original Post]
    If more dudes had your attitude the West would be a lot better place for men. That being said, expectations among "regular" Thai gals are getting as bad as their counterparts in the West, well, minus the want of a big pecker.
    You'll have a good time here. Rub one out before you hit the soapies if you are worried about lasting. Sure you can negotiate second pop.
    Not surprised about the girls. Typically see this trend as a country's overall economy moves further and further away from their 3rd world roots.

    I mean look at China & Taiwan. Those are "my people" and I'm not ashamed to say that Chinese / Taiwanese girls can be even WORSE than their western counterparts.
    I honestly might have to consider rubbing one out before I hit the soapies. At LEAST on Day 1.
    My plan after Day 1. Is to take gogo girls for LT & get one out in the morning before they leave & then hit a soapy that evening.
    JUST my mental plan so far. Not sure yet if I'll actually be able to carry it out LOL!

  5. #15935
    Quote Originally Posted by Phazze93  [View Original Post]
    ....

    The only thing I'm truly worried about is. Well ill be honest. I don't think I last long enough for a 1 pop, 90 min session sadly (maybe under 5 min of pure thrusting? Especially when I'm excited. And I know I will be haha).

    And from what I've read. Most if not all soapies are standard 1 pop & there isn't exactly a set price when paying / tipping a girl for a 2nd pop.

    Would any experienced members have any tips on negotiating a friendly 2nd pop price / fee? Needless to say, a girl liking me would be a big factor.
    Yes, not lasting long enough with the lady is something I've had some experience with too. This is a common problem for guys, from what I've read about it. And this is nothing to be ashamed of. All it means that you need a second or a even a third shot with the lady to be truly and fully satisfied with her.

    And as LoneWolff has said in his post, 1000 THB is what you should offer the lady. 1000 THB has a special meaning for Thai P4P ladies. Because this is how much they expect from Thai guys, when they do it in private outside of any establishment.

    A lot of the money you pay at the massage place actually goes to the management and not to the lady. She might be getting only 1000 THB even for your first shot with her, with the rest of the money going to the management. Which makes your 1000 THB offer for your 2nd shot with her very reasonable indeed. She doesn't need to share it with the management. All of it is hers, just like a tip.

    It's a quick way for the lady to make some extra money. Which means that she might even be glad that you want to be bad and go for a 2nd round with her.

    And of course, if you want the lady to like you, then you should tell her that you like her and hug her like she is your girlfriend. But you should do it only in the private room, where other people can't see. Because in Thai culture, it's very embarrassing for women, including P4P women, to have any kind of touching or physical affection with guys in public. This needs to be done strictly in private. In private, Thai P4P ladies have no problem with this.

    Liking needs to be mutual, or else it doesn't work. And somebody needs to start it. Which might as well be you. The lady knows there is no commitment and no long-term relationship. Which makes it easy for her to like you back for the moment.

    It's like she is a popular lady, and you are her fan, who likes her pussy and bum. She likes being popular, and she appreciates your attention. That's the kind of liking you can have with her. This liking is totally without commitment. But it's genuine in its own way.

    And of course, you should tell the lady that she is too sexy for you, which is true, when you do her hard-and-fast, and you can't last.

    It's like you need that 2nd ride with her, because she is so good-looking and so hot. She graciously accepts your 1000 THB. And you go back inside for another ride, like a real fan, who can't get enough of her pussy and bum.

  6. #15934

    Nana from Club 102

    I will be back to Bangkok in few weeks, few months back when I visited Club 102 for the first time, I picked this chick named Nana and I had a good time, I actually returned 2 days later and took her again. But during my last three visits, she was not working there, they said she was on vacation and they seem pissed off when I ask for her on phone.

    But I did go to Addict and had a good time there too, but there was something about Nana, may be her playful nature I enjoyed.

    Did anyone take take her for a session? Apart from her, I didn't really find anyone interesting.

  7. #15933

    My at Snow white

    Took My back to the hotel tonight. Only two holes are open but she does multiple positions, CIM, Rimming and DATY very well.

    Her English is ok and she is fun to be around I may repeat.

    / Kirsia.

  8. #15932
    Quote Originally Posted by Phazze93  [View Original Post]
    Frankly it didn't take me long to get to this state of mind.

    Vast majority of western / westernized girls make me sick....
    I think it's important to remember that some of the best porn-stars are western women. And some western women, who do it for money, can be just as good at it as Thai P4P ladies are.

    Western women aren't allowed to do it for money, except in porn. And that's why there are a lot fewer women like that in the West, than there are in Thailand.

    I think many western women have the potential to be just as good with guys as Thai women are. It's just that western women don't have the freedom to do it, and that's why they don't do it.

    This restriction on women's freedom to do it with guys in any way they want is probably a side-effect of democracy, where the majority rules. P4P women are always a minority in any society. And this means that the majority usually runs roughshod over their rights and freedoms.

    Democracy is supposed to be the rule of the majority with respect for the rights of minorities. But quite often it's just a dictatorship of the majority, without any respect for minorities. That's why slavery, civil rights violations of blacks, and genocide of American Indians was possible in a democratic USA. And this isn't just USA. Even ancient Greek Democracy had plenty of slaves too.

    I've also stopped trying to make friends with western women. But I don't blame western women for the way they are. This is bigger than individuals. It's about the way western societies are organized in terms of their politics and power-sharing, or lack of it.

  9. #15931
    Quote Originally Posted by Phazze93  [View Original Post]
    Frankly it didn't take me long to get to this state of mind.

    Vast majority of western / westernized girls make me sick.

    Stupid, entitled, princesses that have sky high standards / expectations of men. With jacket shit to offer in return.

    "he has to be tall, handsome, rich, FUNNY, smart & oh he has to have a huge cock".

    So rather than wasting my time & money listening to BS for hours only to have mediocre sex w / the risk of post-sex expectations. Well you guys can guess the rest LOL.

    The only thing I'm truly worried about is. Well ill be honest. I don't think I last long enough for a 1 pop, 90 min session sadly (maybe under 5 min of pure thrusting? Especially when I'm excited. And I know I will be haha).

    And from what I've read. Most if not all soapies are standard 1 pop & there isn't exactly a set price when paying / tipping a girl for a 2nd pop.

    Would any experienced members have any tips on negotiating a friendly 2nd pop price / fee? Needless to say, a girl liking me would be a big factor.
    Not an experienced monger here but based on our experience last week, when I enquired the papasan at 2 places we were told to negotiate with the girls directly. We were offered second pop for an extra 1000 B by the girls. My friend could muster the energy to do it and gave fantastic reviews of the girl. After one I was so spent that I didn't bother. However I had a great time as well.

    I will be writing detailed reviews later since I just got back to Home base.

  10. #15930
    Quote Originally Posted by Phazze93  [View Original Post]
    Frankly it didn't take me long to get to this state of mind.

    Vast majority of western / westernized girls make me sick.

    Stupid, entitled, princesses that have sky high standards / expectations of men. With jacket shit to offer in return.

    "he has to be tall, handsome, rich, FUNNY, smart & oh he has to have a huge cock".

    So rather than wasting my time & money listening to BS for hours only to have mediocre sex w / the risk of post-sex expectations. Well you guys can guess the rest LOL.

    The only thing I'm truly worried about is. Well ill be honest. I don't think I last long enough for a 1 pop, 90 min session sadly (maybe under 5 min of pure thrusting? Especially when I'm excited. And I know I will be haha).

    And from what I've read. Most if not all soapies are standard 1 pop & there isn't exactly a set price when paying / tipping a girl for a 2nd pop.

    Would any experienced members have any tips on negotiating a friendly 2nd pop price / fee? Needless to say, a girl liking me would be a big factor.
    If more dudes had your attitude the West would be a lot better place for men. That being said, expectations among "regular" Thai gals are getting as bad as their counterparts in the West, well, minus the want of a big pecker.
    You'll have a good time here. Rub one out before you hit the soapies if you are worried about lasting. Sure you can negotiate second pop.

  11. #15929
    Quote Originally Posted by Goatscrot  [View Original Post]
    Refreshing to see young mongers from the US. So many of the younger western dudes I meet here through the music scene are completely under the spell of hardcore western feminists. They call me a neanderthal.
    Frankly it didn't take me long to get to this state of mind.

    Vast majority of western / westernized girls make me sick.

    Stupid, entitled, princesses that have sky high standards / expectations of men. With jacket shit to offer in return.

    "he has to be tall, handsome, rich, FUNNY, smart & oh he has to have a huge cock".

    So rather than wasting my time & money listening to BS for hours only to have mediocre sex w / the risk of post-sex expectations. Well you guys can guess the rest LOL.

    The only thing I'm truly worried about is. Well ill be honest. I don't think I last long enough for a 1 pop, 90 min session sadly (maybe under 5 min of pure thrusting? Especially when I'm excited. And I know I will be haha).

    And from what I've read. Most if not all soapies are standard 1 pop & there isn't exactly a set price when paying / tipping a girl for a 2nd pop.

    Would any experienced members have any tips on negotiating a friendly 2nd pop price / fee? Needless to say, a girl liking me would be a big factor.

  12. #15928

    Akane field test

    Trying to kill a few hours before my flight left and I read that Alane was a good place to go. Got there during lunch crush so not many girls (and I use that term generously) so choose the least offensive one, Lord knows I have had some amazing sex with less than attractive ladies. Lady was pleasant and friendly enough and washed my privates and butt very clean but no hint of kissing or BBBJ. Massage was OK, but then again I am not a good judge of that.

    She proceeded to lie on top of me and gave me a body rub while I heard the other girl come in (I had ordered the special 2 girl fashion massage), and she quickly showered. They flipped me over and the first girl fed me her breasts while the other started to give an oily handjob. Soon the first girl mounted my face and I was eating her pussy, at this time I noticed that the second girl had me in her mouth up to my balls, first BBBJ I have had this whole trip. I couldn't manage to blow in her mouth and she went back to the hand. First girl seemed to really be getting into into it and literally face fucked me until I screamed to high heaven and blew a huge load out onto the second girls oily hands.

    After the shower we all giggled and I was spent but obviously not too happy to not get sex. But damage was only 1600, so not bad for a handjob only 3 p, but next time I will pay more for the lesbian option on Outcall.

  13. #15927
    Quote Originally Posted by Phazze93  [View Original Post]
    Wow 4:30 pm! That is very encouraging news most definitely won't be rushing / settling.

    Also, to be gladly honest, in regards to the p4 p scene. I don't think I'll face much rejection due to my ethnicity as I am a relatively good looking 26 y / o chinese / taiwanese american in decent shape.

    Fingers crossed though... Cheers!
    Refreshing to see young mongers from the US. So many of the younger western dudes I meet here through the music scene are completely under the spell of hardcore western feminists. They call me a neanderthal.

  14. #15926
    Quote Originally Posted by ParkVille  [View Original Post]
    Start at 4:30 pm and walk in and out of them all until you find one who really physically turns you on (and also has some receptive body language, meaning she isn't completely ignoring you in favor of japanese / koreans customers only). This is what I do and I live here and it never lets me down. The only mistake I make is getting lazy and not walking out to check out other soapies. You can always walk back in later too. Browse / shop around a lot, make the most of your nut.
    Wow 4:30 pm! That is very encouraging news most definitely won't be rushing / settling.

    Also, to be gladly honest, in regards to the p4 p scene. I don't think I'll face much rejection due to my ethnicity as I am a relatively good looking 26 y / o chinese / taiwanese american in decent shape.

    Fingers crossed though... Cheers!

  15. #15925
    Quote Originally Posted by Kirsia123  [View Original Post]
    Hey,

    Anyone who can share some recent info on EZ massage?

    / Kirsia.
    It's a dump. When I asked all the girls about CIM during the lineup, nobody agreed to do CIM.

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