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  1. #15840
    Quote Originally Posted by ParkVille  [View Original Post]
    I also went to Ocean 2 and it was fairly under-stocked compared to before.
    What do you mean by "Ocean 2"? In RatchadaPhisek Soi 7 Alley it is just called Ocean, so are you referring too that or something else?

    I seem to recall something with a similar name around Ngam Wong Wian area.

  2. #15839

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  3. #15838
    Quote Originally Posted by EihTooms  [View Original Post]
    I see. In your most recent visit (was it within the past 6 months?), did you happen to encounter the same mamasan you mentioned before? My experiences with soapies, oilies and most other kinds of massage shops have been so abysmal, perhaps only a really pro-actively informative mamasan like the one you mentioned would be the only reason I would bother risking flushing 2,500+ baht or whatever it is down the toilet in one again. Of course, the girl would have to make the cut in terms of attractiveness and a basic level of positive or intriguing attitude as well.
    I can't recall if it was the same mamasan. I don't think it was. And my most recent visit was like 2 weeks ago, probably my last too. Oh and their prices were up a lot, from before. Before, it was much more reasonable like 2500. Now it was like 3000-ish and up. I think the Nataree style crackdowns (no Burma / laotion / etc women) hurt the supply / demand factor here.

  4. #15837
    Quote Originally Posted by ParkVille  [View Original Post]
    2 years ago, back when nataree was still open too. There were like 20 girls available at Alaina during just 1 pm. I went there recently and there were only 4 girls during prime time (8 pm) and I quickly waked out. Soapies are really under stocked now. With so many closing or merging and I'm sure many to close or consolidate soon too. I think maybe girls moved out to places like Macau / everywhere else and all the crack downs had some kind of impact. I also went to Ocean 2 and it was fairly under-stocked compared to before. But not as few as 4 girls (well there were 8 girls and about 3 left as I was walking out so yeah about the same as alaina).
    I see. In your most recent visit (was it within the past 6 months?), did you happen to encounter the same mamasan you mentioned before? My experiences with soapies, oilies and most other kinds of massage shops have been so abysmal, perhaps only a really pro-actively informative mamasan like the one you mentioned would be the only reason I would bother risking flushing 2,500+ baht or whatever it is down the toilet in one again. Of course, the girl would have to make the cut in terms of attractiveness and a basic level of positive or intriguing attitude as well.

  5. #15836
    Quote Originally Posted by EihTooms  [View Original Post]
    Then it's a shame the best pro customer service mamasan in all of Thailand is working at a soapy with so few girls. LOL. How long ago was this?
    2 years ago, back when nataree was still open too. There were like 20 girls available at Alaina during just 1 pm. I went there recently and there were only 4 girls during prime time (8 pm) and I quickly waked out. Soapies are really under stocked now. With so many closing or merging and I'm sure many to close or consolidate soon too. I think maybe girls moved out to places like Macau / everywhere else and all the crack downs had some kind of impact. I also went to Ocean 2 and it was fairly under-stocked compared to before. But not as few as 4 girls (well there were 8 girls and about 3 left as I was walking out so yeah about the same as alaina).

  6. #15835
    Quote Originally Posted by ParkVille  [View Original Post]
    Maybe, maybe not. I think it may be a somewhat common request for Thai's. I was in Alaina soapy and the mamasan just straight up said to me "I can tell you which girl not use condom if you like that, no problem. " They said this because they knew I lived in the area and wanted my repeat business. I didn't have the nerve to answer yes to her question LOL, not that I don't mind BBFS. Also the girls at alaina, selection is too few so I don't really care if they did offer BBFS anyway.
    Then it's a shame the best pro customer service mamasan in all of Thailand is working at a soapy with so few girls. LOL. How long ago was this?

  7. #15834
    Quote Originally Posted by EihTooms  [View Original Post]
    I suspect most Thai mamasans and papasans would at least feign mild shock and disgust if you asked them which of their girls will engage in either of those activities with you as a customer and would not point out any of them for you
    Maybe, maybe not. I think it may be a somewhat common request for Thai's. I was in Alaina soapy and the mamasan just straight up said to me "I can tell you which girl not use condom if you like that, no problem. " They said this because they knew I lived in the area and wanted my repeat business. I didn't have the nerve to answer yes to her question LOL, not that I don't mind BBFS. Also the girls at alaina, selection is too few so I don't really care if they did offer BBFS anyway.

  8. #15833
    Quote Originally Posted by Brubang  [View Original Post]
    Going to Thailand in a week and I'm looking for some massage-time. I mailed Cherry Massage and they assured me that BBBJ, RIM, CIM are standard. This sounds all very nice indeed. However, they avoided my question about which girls provide CIM + swallow. My experience with freelancers or regular Thai girls is that some swallow, but only if they like you. I don't have time to experiment this time round so it would be nice to know beforehand.

    I read here that Candy at Snow White is a swallower. Is that still the case? Which other girls are known swallower?

    I read bad reviews about Katherine at MyThaiTourGuide, so that one's off the list.
    In my opinion, BBBJTCWS ought to be included on massage shop menus and openly discussed as negotiable options among mamasans and their girls in the go-go bars, beer bars, among freelancers and so on as well as BBFS. But, of course, they are not. There is just too much weird reaction attached to discussions of those two particular activities in Thailand. When seasoned "experts" here and elsewhere assure the rest of us we should have no qualms or hesitation about asking mamasans and papasans in this or that venue which girls provide this or that service because, you know, "they've heard it all before, you can't shock them", my impression is they are not talking about BBBJTCWS or BBFS.

    I suspect most Thai mamasans and papasans would at least feign mild shock and disgust if you asked them which of their girls will engage in either of those activities with you as a customer and would not point out any of them for you. It's not that their girls don't do it. Some will for some customers just like almost everything else. It's just that Thai people would not be inclined to admit openly that they do it and would not want it mentioned publicly that they do. And when you scratch the surface of the "experts" who assured us we ought to go right ahead and "ask the mamasans and girls about anything you want because they can't be shocked. Really. Anything", even THEY are sometimes shocked to discover many of us have an idea that "anything" ought to naturally, calmly and logically include finishing a blowjob fully and completely as god meant it to be finished as well as having penile-vaginal sexual intercourse the way god meant us to have it. LOL.

    I know it would be hard for some here to believe but within the past 3-4 years there were a couple of Thai escort service agencies whose online websites did include "swallowing" as a service option the girls could put a check mark next to on their profiles right there with DFK, BBBJ, CIM, Rimming, Couples, A+ Level Service, etc. I don't remember the names of those escort services and can not now find any online with that same format that includes "swallowing". But they did exist and, lo and behold, there was a girl or two on each of them that did have a lovely check mark next to that option in their profiles. Their photos suggested they were at least as attractive as the other girls too. I have no idea why that format was changed in just the last handful of years and why "swallowing" no longer appears as an option in such a format. But I wouldn't be a bit surprised if the agencies had to drop it and remove that option from their list because the rare girlsl who boldly put a check mark next to that service on the list were getting all the bookings and none of the other girls were making any money. LOL. Same likely outcome if BBFS was included on such a list and only a couple of girls put a check mark next to it.

    I would say your experience as you mentioned in the quote above is still about right on the subject. Like BBFS, Swallowing is done and probably done by more girls than most would believe. It just depends on for whom and neither of those services are going to be agreed to across the board with any customer who shows up. So it is not a service one can identify with a particular girl with any confidence that she would provide it for the next guy because that girl might say no to me and yes to almost every other man she meets or vice versa. Sure, if it was included on the menu as it used to be included on a couple of escort service website formats, then the girls who put a check mark next to that service could reasonably be relied upon to do it for whoever shows up. But that isn't how Thailand handles or regards those activities. Yet.

  9. #15832
    Quote Originally Posted by EihTooms  [View Original Post]
    To the original question about the number or percentage of girls in the massage shops in the Phrom Phong area who provide CIM, I would have no idea since I am not sure I have ever gotten as far as cumming in mouth or otherwise in any of those massage shops. lol. And that is despite the fact that I have had sessions in places like Cherry, Mango, Tulip (as I recall, not sure now since it was a few years ago) and Bamboo (not Phrom Phong area, of course). And had sessions with girls who were highly touted on these boards for providing such fine GFE or PSE service. But for me they didn't. Those kind of shops are obviously not my thing since I found the service in them to be so mechanical and so utterly lacking in eroticism, in a couple of cases so weird and counterproductive in terms of so-called "skills", particularly in the oral realm (I am not interested at all in butt-play), that I just called off the session, cleaned up and went on my way without finishing.

    I did have a BBBJ+CIM finish once with a girl in an ordinary massage shop in the Khaosan Road area and with a couple of girls I took from the shops in the Soi 11 Villa Market arcade area, all of which are set to be closed down by the end of the year for some other kind of development. But never in any of the so-called PSE shops as I recall. I did have girls in those shops start to provide a purported BBBJ+CIM for me. But I found the skills and atmosphere so lacking in what it would take to get me off that way I have no idea what they really would have done at the finish since I never got close to finishing with them.

    As of this writing, my rewarding BBBJ+CIM experiences in Thailand have all been with go-go dancers, beer bar girls, freelancers, BJ Bar girls and just regular non P4P dates, girls I have met online, in restaurants and mall shops around town.
    Going to Thailand in a week and I'm looking for some massage-time. I mailed Cherry Massage and they assured me that BBBJ, RIM, CIM are standard. This sounds all very nice indeed. However, they avoided my question about which girls provide CIM + swallow. My experience with freelancers or regular Thai girls is that some swallow, but only if they like you. I don't have time to experiment this time round so it would be nice to know beforehand.

    I read here that Candy at Snow White is a swallower. Is that still the case? Which other girls are known swallower?

    I read bad reviews about Katherine at MyThaiTourGuide, so that one's off the list.

  10. #15831
    Quote Originally Posted by Syzygies  [View Original Post]
    For sure you get CIM in BJ parlours. Also should be readily available in Tulip, Mango, Snow White, Cherry, and Bamboo massage at the very least. Eih Toom might be an expert on CIM availability since he mentions it a lot in posts.
    To the original question about the number or percentage of girls in the massage shops in the Phrom Phong area who provide CIM, I would have no idea since I am not sure I have ever gotten as far as cumming in mouth or otherwise in any of those massage shops. lol. And that is despite the fact that I have had sessions in places like Cherry, Mango, Tulip (as I recall, not sure now since it was a few years ago) and Bamboo (not Phrom Phong area, of course). And I had sessions with girls who were highly touted on these boards for providing such fine GFE or PSE service. But for me they didn't. Those kind of shops are obviously not my thing since I found the service in them to be so mechanical and so utterly lacking in eroticism, in a couple of cases so weird and counterproductive in terms of so-called "skills", particularly in the oral realm (I am not interested at all in butt-play), that I just called off the session, cleaned up and went on my way without finishing.

    I did have a BBBJ+CIM finish once with a girl in an ordinary massage shop in the Khaosan Road area and with a couple of girls I took from the shops in the Soi 11 Villa Market arcade area, all of which are set to be closed down by the end of the year for some other kind of development. But never in any of the so-called PSE shops as I recall. I did have girls in those shops I mentioned above start to provide a purported BBBJ+CIM for me. But I found the skills and atmosphere so lacking in what it would take to get me off that way I have no idea what they really would have done at the finish since I never got close to finishing with them.

    As of this writing, my most rewarding BBBJ+CIM experiences in Thailand have all been with go-go dancers, beer bar girls, freelancers, BJ Bar girls and just regular non P4P dates, girls I have met online, in restaurants and mall shops around town.

  11. #15830
    Quote Originally Posted by Syzygies  [View Original Post]
    3 Ex Suzie Wong girls (Pat, Maa, and Noi) were in Shark tonight (they can all do threesomes pretty good based on my past experience) and one ex Sheba girl. Actually Noi was ex-Sheba as well as ex-SW.
    Is Maa really back in buisness. She went to live with her german BF in Chiang Mai 4 years ago. I used to look at her pictures on facebook that time and they seemed so happy. Then suddenly about a year ago she closed down her facebook and it has never come up since. I never did her, only spent a weekend with her and her BF together with Fon from SW that time. Would be nice to see her again.
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  12. #15829
    Quote Originally Posted by Illjarn93  [View Original Post]
    "QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2095281 Don't know what to tell you G. Classic is cheap yes, but no bargain. Good sessions there are not the norm. I think you would grow to dislike the place.

    Malio Club is one of my two favorite bordellos in Jakarta, but I have never noticed any Viets in Malio? Maybe you are referring to Malioboro Lounge (same building). Over in Malioboro Lounge they do have Viet imports. Its 1,400,000 rp per session with all the import girls, but they are nothing special in my opinion. I would much rather go with the Indo couch girls some of whom are very attractive and at 800,000 rp ($58) and 1,100,000 rp ($80) represent a much better deal to me than the tired, worn out Classic or Travel girls. Of course, that is just my opinion and your friend is welcome to disagree. The really stand out girls in both Malio Club and Malioboro Lounge are the Indo dancers and guess what? They don't come cheap. Malio Indo dancers are 2,000,000 rp ($146) not including drinks and they expect a customer to buy them drinks, several drinks to get friendly, inspect their goods and get things going. Malioboro Indo dancers are a little less costly at 1,700,000 rp.

    On a further note I would add that in my other favorite bordello in Jakarta, the Alexis Hotel, sexy hot little Indo girls there are 1,400,000 rp ($102), so not cheap by any standards, but they are super sexy and really aim to please, so totally worth it in my humble opinion and perhaps a better deal than the one currently on offer in BKK Go Go's except that BKK Go Go girls are take out girls while Malio / Alexis / Kings Cross / Classic / Travel girls are in house until you get to know them better. I think that is a big plus for BKK. But if you want to shop around for Viet girls, Alexis is the place to go in Jakarta. The Alexis import Viets are hot! So naturally their price is sky high. Are you sitting down? Alexis Hotel Viet imports are 2,400,000 rp ($175).

    Fortunately for my checking account I prefer the younger Indo girls, but I have given in a few times and gone Vietnamese in Alexis. Comparatively speaking, many Alexis Viets look better than many Lord girls, but not all for sure and you will encounter a lot of bolt-ONS in both groups (not so with the Indo girls). As for service: The Alexis Viets offer excellent service similar to but not quite as dirty as most of my Lord girls at 6000 baht ($181). So they are both very competitively priced against one another. BKK remains more the party town with easy accessibility to most red light places of interest. Jakarta is more spread out and less out in the open. Thus I like to play in Jakarta for limited amounts of time, but I prefer BKK over all. On girl quality alone, I like Thai, Indo and Filipinas almost equally although they look and act very different. Perhaps the Indo girls are my top preference at the moment, but it's very close."

    I live in Bangkok but was in Indonesia last week for a welcome break. Rather than compare rupiah to dollars, why not compare a strong baht against a falling rupiah? 404 rupiah to 1 baht last week, cheaper still than 6 months ago. Its difficult to compare like for like. Thailand is easy, too easy. Done to death by naive tourists throwing money around wildly at a decreasing pool of increasingly entitled women in an attempt to impress or mistakenly try to encourage loyalty or spend their way into exclusivity. Clearly this works for some, taken in by Lord girls who said that they loved them. Crucially, the Jakarta scene is thankfully mostly driven by locals and will never be a major tourist destination on the scale of Thailand.

    Classic and Travel was 350000 (866 baht) for one or 500000 (1237 baht) for two girls last week. What could you get in Bangkok for that? I've had quite good to very good times in these places by never accepting the first girls that they try and foist on me, making my own choices, and taking time to get to know them a bit. Careful selections in both places can yield some really cute looking girls and some pretty good to very good sessions. Both places are enjoyable; they are dark, a bit grungy and full of women and friendly local guys, especially on a Thursday or Friday night.

    Ignoring all similar priced places in Jakarta and moving onto one of the most high end places where local guys feeling flush go for a splurge. Malioboro lounge girls on the couches at 800000 (1980 baht) to 1100000 (2722 baht) are indeed very good value. In Bangkok, that would get you an oil massage girl at Snow White. For as long as I can remember, I've not seen anything remotely attractive there that I would take despite the promises of a pornstar performance. It would still probably not get you anything from Thermae, assuming they agreed to lower themselves to go with a non-Asian customer. Some of the girls at Malioboro from that section had bodies that looked like they were drawn form the imagination of 15 year old boys. Yes, the Vietnamese and Russians are expensive at just under 3500 baht I wonder how much we would be charged for them in Bangkok? 3500 baht, still a long way off the bottom rung at Lord and the local Indonesian guys seemed very keen on the Vietnamese. Malio club dancers are also expensive at the local level but I saw not as many tats, poor plastic surgeries or encountered none of the hardcore attitudes as exhibited in somewhere like Crazy House or Baccara. Even though Malioboro and Malio can be a bit of a hassle at first due to demands for lady drinks, they soon catch on.

    One of the most high end places in Jakarta, Alexis, is indeed very high quality and the imports are expensive. The locals are still excellent value compared to anything in Bangkok. You're omitting also the ease with which it is to get women to take home in several ways from tourist friendly and over-priced hotel clubs such as CJs and Bats to more difficult to find clubs. The amount of girls and guys trying to make contact on WeChat becomes a nuisance and Tinder is very lively with a whole range of matches. The most important point is the differing attitudes. I find Indonesian girls refreshingly down to earth and less inhibited, perhaps less jaded and with more of a realistic outlook. Definitely a destination for the adventurous that pays dividends the further out you go.
    A spot on assessment. Could not agree more. I think if prices and attitudes were as such in BKK we would all be far happier with the scene. Well, the residents and extended stay visitors would be. I don't think it matters to the visitors who are only here for a couple of weeks at a time. Even if they are here multiple times per year, their agenda is very different.

  13. #15828
    Quote Originally Posted by DrCox  [View Original Post]
    I am satisfied if the girl has pretty face, nice body, and good hygiene and attitude. I don't ask for perverse stuff or anything extreme, so if I get a nice BBJ and she is into passionate kissing and does not give me some mechanical action then I am happy. But I am very very very happy if I can stay after I pop.
    Sure I am happy in the same way. I am not that demanding except for want girls with stamina. Most Thai girls are fastidiously clean, especially in Soapies, so not sure why Hygiene gets a mention.

    In my case I almost never pop well before the time is up. Even so very rare to get Soapy girls trying to rush me out, unless time is really up.

  14. #15827
    Quote Originally Posted by UShobbyist  [View Original Post]
    Hi, Syzygies. Can you estimate how many girls still do CIM in those massage parlors of Phrom Phong area? Thanks.
    Maybe someone else can answer your question, I cannot since I never was a big CIM man. Have had the odd CIM but not regularly. I always wanted to fuck the pussy. I have not been using MPs in Prom Pong much recently. Last year had a good girl Pink in New Massage Soi 33 but she is gone. Never tried to get a CIM. This year had a pretty girl in Orient but again never tried to get CIM. Also gone.

    Gave up my Mango girls. I am sure they would do CIM 90% chance. Did do anal once with Ae. She was willing once she got her pop first.

    For sure you get CIM in BJ parlours. Also should be readily available in Tulip, Mango, Snow White, Cherry, and Bamboo massage at the very least. Eih Toom might be an expert on CIM availability since he mentions it a lot in posts.

  15. #15826
    Quote Originally Posted by DextroSol  [View Original Post]
    Thanks for correcting me, I think I was just to quick on the keybord when I wrote BB, I should of course have added "from Cherry Massage". What a coincidence, I was also 27,35 years ago, so we share the same age. Unfortunately I didn't know much about Thailand at that time. It took me another 23 years until I came here first time, not even then I realized what it would do to me. Year after that, in 2006 I had my first experience at Sabai Sabai, just behind Cheap Charlies. My wife at that time and I had been shopping all day and I had seen the sign about massage in the alley. We went there and the girl offered me a handjob while my wife got her massage a bit away from me. Unforgetable!

    I share a memory with you. 4. 5 years ago in Suzi Wong I took Bow to my hotel. Evening after I had promised myself to have a day off from sex (Can't understand why) but went to Suzies anyway and had Bow on my lap. Told her I had a day off, and she ran over to you, sitting on the opposite side of the stage.
    Okay I exaggerated slightly was only 34 years ago for me being 27. I suppose you know Bo came to me because I posted a report that matched. LOL She must have wanted a fuck. I had plenty of girls at Suzi but usually took Bo if she was available in those days. Bo is retired now with family and kids. Yet she was bi-sexual as she had a Tom in place of a BF for a while, and had to pretend to the Tom that she did not like guys and did not like dick. LOL We know that she could be horny with guys quite easily, and did like dick.

    Bo was always good for me usually in threesomes, often paired with Dtom, who I just reported in another post. I guess I have known Bo maybe since 8 to 10 years ago, but that is no matter. 3 Ex Suzie Wong girls (Pat, Maa, and Noi) were in Shark tonight (they can all do threesomes pretty good based on my past experience) and one ex Sheba girl. Actually Noi was ex-Sheba as well as ex-SW.

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