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  1. #8853

    Asian customers

    Actually a lot of the Asian customers actually do want to take the girl out for a date as they are lonely. I think less about race, it's more like this: Guys in groups will fuck a girl ST and then regroup with their bros. Why hangout with a prostitute, especially one who can't even speak your language, when have company that is far more fun to be with. Japanese guys often do P4 P in groups of about 4. 4 means 4 x the amount of income to go around between the girls some money out of approaching this group, so much more of a chance that they will get money instead of fighting over a single lone guy who walks in. Also Japanese guys have to preserve / gain face so spending money and not-appearing below a working girl (haggling with her) is important in presence of their peers.

  2. #8852
    Having a discussion with a bar (not a gogo) waitress I have known long time last night. She is not available for P4 P. Strangely she was moving to very sexual topics, especially at first Japanese sex expressions like the girl has to scream "ee-tai ee-tai" means "oh (that dick) hurts so much". LOL I forget the Japanese one now for "I am coming". After a glass of wine, she became very open and started discussing her sex problems. Her French sex partner apparently comes after 10 minutes or starts to go limp when she rides him Cowgirl, so she regularly fails to get her cum. Yet she does not want to change to a new guy that performs better.

    So I had to advise her, that men are often ignorant and need training. She needs to teach him how to pleasure her, especially DATY I think before he gets his dick in. Also I thought she needs to dose him up on Viagra so his dick will stay hard for long enough to reach her orgasm in cowgirl or whatever. Not easy for me, a very slow to cum guy, to give advice for handling guys who last only 10 minutes. I think she needs him to perform for at least 30 minutes. I think the Viagra should work. He might need alcohol to dampen his sensation level so he does not cum too quick, maybe. Not sure if alcohol would help or worsen the situation.

    She knows I am mongering with bargirls, and strangely that made her think that my Mrs, must be an old fat over the hill woman, which is far from the case. She was very surprised to see pics of my Mrs were not at all like what she was expecting. She had to be puzzled. Why am I mongering when have a hot wife? Lack of quantity is actually the main problem. Variety is less of an issue.

  3. #8851
    Quote Originally Posted by Dg8787  [View Original Post]
    It is all about time equals money. Just like all business, 80% of your profits are made from your 20% best customers, your other 20% profits are made from the 80%. It doesn't take too long to figure out who to concentrate on without alienating your 20%. Whether the 3 inches or 3 minutes are true what matters is the 3 k. I am sure the girls wouldn't mind 6 inches and 6 minutes for 3 k.
    Yeh, the version I heard was called 3, 4, 5, I think. 3 inches, 4 minutes, and 5 K. LOL That was exaggerating a little too much. Maybe it should have been 5, 4, 3, to be more realistic.

    60 minutes is my absolute minimum. I normally take 90 mins with my regular girls, occasionally more. Alas in that time, I typically manage only one shot. I am a little jealous of extra sensitive guys who can do several shots, and get more value for their money, however I do get plenty of actual fucking time, and plenty of BBBJ time, and plenty of DATY time. So perhaps I am getting value compared to a 6 minutes shooter.

  4. #8850
    Quote Originally Posted by Dg8787  [View Original Post]
    It is all about time equals money. Just like all business, 80% of your profits are made from your 20% best customers, your other 20% profits are made from the 80%. It doesn't take too long to figure out who to concentrate on without alienating your 20%. Whether the 3 inches or 3 minutes are true what matters is the 3 k. I am sure the girls wouldn't mind 6 inches and 6 minutes for 3 k.
    I think at least 1 hour (or more) is a more accurate comparison for the white guys rather than 6 minutes. White guys like to hang out with the girls. It seems Japanese are more likely to get in a quick shag and be on their way.

    Here's a funny story from when I stayed at the Dynasty Grande a while ago. A very tall Dutch guy had bar fined a girl (I am not sure from where). He was staying in the room next to me and I could clearly hear their argument through the wall. When he dropped his pants, the girl complained saying that his dick was too big and she would not have sex with him. The guy was furious. However, he was not able to convince her to have sex with him. He told her that he had paid her bar fine and paid for her to go to the movies with him. She said she would give him back his money for the movies. After more arguing, the guy finally relented, the girl gave him back his money for the movies and she left.

    There are disadvantages to being well hung when it comes to paying for sex.

  5. #8849

    80/20 rule

    Quote Originally Posted by Smoothy  [View Original Post]
    I don't know about that. This particular Thai girl went to my hotel many times for 1500 baht at the time. She was a true GFE. I personally think she was telling it like it is.

    In Indonesia, the girls say the same. They don't say 333, but they say the Japanese guys are less demanding in bed and are relatively quick, less well endowed in general, and pay more. There is a massage place I like to visit in Jakarta and if there are white guys who walk in the door, the girls just sit around on their couches and the guys have to approach them to ask for a massage. The girls are glad to give the white guys massages, but they aren't aggressively approaching the white guys. However, if a Japanese guy walks in, the girls all jump up and gather around the guy as if he's a rock star. And it's not just one particular Japanese guy, it's all of them. The Japanese guys normally pick a girl within a few seconds, take her to the back room and are done and walking out within 15 minutes. The white guys come in, have a beer or two while waiting to select a girl (this is why the girls don't approach the white guys, they don't want to sit there with him while he drinks his beer when they could possibly be going to the back room during that time with a different customer), then when they go back to the room with the girl they take the full hour.
    It is all about time equals money. Just like all business, 80% of your profits are made from your 20% best customers, your other 20% profits are made from the 80%. It doesn't take too long to figure out who to concentrate on without alienating your 20%. Whether the 3 inches or 3 minutes are true what matters is the 3 k. I am sure the girls wouldn't mind 6 inches and 6 minutes for 3 k.

  6. #8848
    Quote Originally Posted by Dg8787  [View Original Post]
    A Thai girl made it up to save face for the deflating western guy as she turned him down. Other girls have seen how well it has worked and have been using the story since. The 333 story has passed on to other Asian countries now.
    I don't know about that. This particular Thai girl went to my hotel many times for 1500 baht at the time. She was a true GFE. I personally think she was telling it like it is.

    In Indonesia, the girls say the same. They don't say 333, but they say the Japanese guys are less demanding in bed and are relatively quick, less well endowed in general, and pay more. There is a massage place I like to visit in Jakarta and if there are white guys who walk in the door, the girls just sit around on their couches and the guys have to approach them to ask for a massage. The girls are glad to give the white guys massages, but they aren't aggressively approaching the white guys. However, if a Japanese guy walks in, the girls all jump up and gather around the guy as if he's a rock star. And it's not just one particular Japanese guy, it's all of them. The Japanese guys normally pick a girl within a few seconds, take her to the back room and are done and walking out within 15 minutes. The white guys come in, have a beer or two while waiting to select a girl (this is why the girls don't approach the white guys, they don't want to sit there with him while he drinks his beer when they could possibly be going to the back room during that time with a different customer), then when they go back to the room with the girl they take the full hour.

  7. #8847
    Quote Originally Posted by Smoothy  [View Original Post]
    I'm not sure of the originator. A Thai girl told me that one 10 years ago when I asked her why they preferred Japanese. My bet is that it is now 335 rather than 333.
    A Thai girl made it up to save face for the deflating western guy as she turned him down. Other girls have seen how well it has worked and have been using the story since. The 333 story has passed on to other Asian countries now.

  8. #8846
    Quote Originally Posted by GrandaddyPerp  [View Original Post]
    Ah yes, the 333 joke. Classic. I wonder who the originator of that one was.
    I'm not sure of the originator. A Thai girl told me that one 10 years ago when I asked her why they preferred Japanese. My bet is that it is now 335 rather than 333.

  9. #8845
    Quote Originally Posted by GrandaddyPerp  [View Original Post]
    I've been seeing another one '555' over the last few years on a lot of my P4P lady friend's facebook feeds.
    For those unfamiliar, "555" is Thai message slang for "hahaha" (or "jajaja" for the Spanish speakers). Nothing to do with the old 3-inches 3-minutes 3000-baht joke -- though joke's on us punters, 3000 baht is starting to seem like an OK price in Bangkok these days.

  10. #8844
    Quote Originally Posted by Smoothy  [View Original Post]
    Yep. And this has been pointed out many times on this forum over the years.

    Girls prefer Japanese because of the 333 rule with Japanese men. 3 inches for 3 minutes for 3000 baht.

    Who can blame them?
    Ah yes, the 333 joke. Classic. I wonder who the originator of that one was.

    I've been seeing another one '555' over the last few years on a lot of my P4P lady friend's facebook feeds. It's often posted as a caption to a picture of a 1000 baht money fan or a designer handbag or in response to those farangs who post comments expressing their undying devotion to the lady.

  11. #8843
    Quote Originally Posted by Smoothy  [View Original Post]
    Yep. And this has been pointed out many times on this forum over the years.

    Girls prefer Japanese because of the 333 rule with Japanese men. 3 inches for 3 minutes for 3000 baht.

    Who can blame them?
    Now that's funny. Unless you are Japanese of course. LOL.

  12. #8842
    Quote Originally Posted by Crocodilexp  [View Original Post]
    Your post confuses supply with demand. In this market, supply is provided by the sex workers (girls), demand by the customers (guys). There is no such thing as "guys in the supply pool".
    You should re-read the post.

    "girls that will not talk to white guys are not in the supply pool".

    I said the girls are not in the supply pool.

  13. #8841
    Quote Originally Posted by Syzygies  [View Original Post]
    Some of us Farangs are just too much hassle. Better to make quick easy money. Other girls prefer small dick
    Yep. And this has been pointed out many times on this forum over the years.

    Girls prefer Japanese because of the 333 rule with Japanese men. 3 inches for 3 minutes for 3000 baht.

    Who can blame them?

  14. #8840
    Quote Originally Posted by Syzygies  [View Original Post]
    The first thing that comes out of the mouth of some girls at the Thermae is: "Yes I can do Farangs, but there is a Surcharge", which means we need to pay even more than the Japanese, Chinese, and Koreans. The girls have the perception that Farangs may not be happy with a 30 minute quickie, I reckon, and that we may want our full money's worth of fucking.

    In my case that would be right, no quick draw and shoot from me. I expect to get BBBJ, DATY, and DFK too.

    So I agree with CrocExpat. It's not just the money consideration. Some of us Farangs are just too much hassle. Better to make quick easy money. No way did the girl think of potentially having a fun time for all.

    Now in gogos like Crazy House I am meeting some girls that have a strong preference for Farangs over Japanese, or so they say. Different mindset altogether, possibly girls that actually like to fuck a bit, perhaps influenced by Farangs preferring them. Some of them have had Farang boyfriends before, little doubt (maybe even a sponsor who knows). Other girls prefer small dick handsome man. It varies a lot what they prefer. So a good mix of different types of customers. Even shy girls and nasty girls.

    In the end best to choose venues with good options for girls you like, girls that like you, and prices suit you budget. When you try a place and are less than satisfied, you have to weigh up if was just bad luck or chose wrongly, and whether it's worthwhile to keep trying. I will try the Thermae again, but so far no recent girls were worth a repeat. Chemistry building seems to go poorly in there, maybe it is due to the speed the deal is normally done in there, where I am used to taking a lot more time to chat to girls in venues that make that possible. Otherwise it's just a roll of the dice, what you get.
    There is generally a few things at play as far as what types of customers they prefer.

    1) Sherlock Holmes vs EXO: Did they grow up idolizing Western or Asian culture. I tend to find girls who prefer westerners are often really into western media and have been subjected to American / British movies, music, TV series. Whereas the ones who are into Asians grew up on J- and K-Pop. I generally find that the ladies looking for a BF fall into this category.

    2) Wolves of Walking Street: Are they motivated purely by money? If so they will go after whichever customer base is more likely to choose them and pay the most money or allow them to service the most in a given time period. Some ladies just don't have the look that is attractive to Asian men so go after Westerners by default.

    3) How bright is your armor?: Thai P4P girls have a talent for spotting guys that will be the most easily manipulated. Its doesn't matter what color your skin is but more about the amount of wanting in your eyes and the drool running down your chin.

    4) COCKtails and Dreams: Some bars push their staff to keep guys in the bar and drinking. They will often choose the customers that will fall into this.

  15. #8839
    Quote Originally Posted by SteveOak  [View Original Post]
    We talked a bit more and she told me what she meant. It seems that some of the girls, the ones that seem to talk only to Japanese guys, are convinced that all, or at least most white guys are looking for the cheapest deal they can get.
    The first thing that comes out of the mouth of some girls at the Thermae is: "Yes I can do Farangs, but there is a Surcharge", which means we need to pay even more than the Japanese, Chinese, and Koreans. The girls have the perception that Farangs may not be happy with a 30 minute quickie, I reckon, and that we may want our full money's worth of fucking.

    In my case that would be right, no quick draw and shoot from me. I expect to get BBBJ, DATY, and DFK too.

    So I agree with CrocExpat. It's not just the money consideration. Some of us Farangs are just too much hassle. Better to make quick easy money. No way did the girl think of potentially having a fun time for all.

    Now in gogos like Crazy House I am meeting some girls that have a strong preference for Farangs over Japanese, or so they say. Different mindset altogether, possibly girls that actually like to fuck a bit, perhaps influenced by Farangs preferring them. Some of them have had Farang boyfriends before, little doubt (maybe even a sponsor who knows). Other girls prefer small dick handsome man. It varies a lot what they prefer. So a good mix of different types of customers. Even shy girls and nasty girls.

    In the end best to choose venues with good options for girls you like, girls that like you, and prices suit you budget. When you try a place and are less than satisfied, you have to weigh up if was just bad luck or chose wrongly, and whether it's worthwhile to keep trying. I will try the Thermae again, but so far no recent girls were worth a repeat. Chemistry building seems to go poorly in there, maybe it is due to the speed the deal is normally done in there, where I am used to taking a lot more time to chat to girls in venues that make that possible. Otherwise it's just a roll of the dice, what you get.

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