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  1. #9045
    Quote Originally Posted by NattyBumpo  [View Original Post]
    In any case, sometimes young inexperienced girls can really work out well and other times not so good. I trust my instinct on these matters and I have learned to consider each girl on her individual merits and on the vibe we have or don't have. But it is always a gamble with a young newbie.
    Yes all good observations for guys who like to party.

    I agree an inexperienced girl can turn out to be a tigress on the bed, or just very keen of fucking. When I first arrive in Bangkok bars, at age 35, I got one newbie girl, can't even remember now whether came from Cowboy or Pat Pong (before Nana Plaza even existed). The significant highlight was her waking me up more than once during the night because she wanted another fuck. Unfortunately never found another girl that was so keen to get another fuck throughout the night. Have the one girl who invites me to initiate sex any time I feel like it when she is asleep, but she still needs training up to just start blowing me while I am asleep, and to take the initiative. Unfortunately I usually wake up well before her. So get plenty of time to go brush my teeth, shave the stubble etc. , so all well prepared for a morning sex. Still I am allowed to just start it without having to wait till she wakes up.

    I always wanted a GF that would signal it is time to wake up in the morning by just starting the BBBJ. Why waste the morning glory hard-ONS? My real GF always wakes up before me, but never thinks of molesting me straight away. So sad we have these fantasies that never seem to be reality.

  2. #9044
    Quote Originally Posted by Horatio  [View Original Post]
    I am at Chalong pier in phuket. I have had one other woman here. I don't know how much she wanted. She seemed to be a freebie. She said she just wanted to be with me and went to leave the next day without me paying her. She was out the door and walking away before I called her back and gave her 2000.

    The bars here have few customers, often just me. A few times someone else will walk in, but the 3 nights I have been to that area, 90% of the time I was the only customer in the bar.

    My guess was that women here would be about same price as Pattaya, and there I was paying 1000 short time and 1500 for overnight. I was told at one bar here, barfine is 500 before 10 and 300 after.
    Okay That explains the cheap prices. Does not translate to bars in Bangkok. Street walkers maybe, but most are not good enough to keep for the night.

    I have never stayed on the Chalong side of Phuket so not much clue about that. I previously thought that Chalong Pier was a fairly ugly spot when catching the boat to Phi Phi Island. So a strange place for a monger to be located, perhaps, or just passing through?

  3. #9043
    Quote Originally Posted by Allover  [View Original Post]
    I usually buy one lady drink (or maybe 2 LDs) for my 20 minute grope sessions. I usually also tip B100. I think a B200 tip is extremely generous, too much IMHO especially if you buy more than 1 LD. I would only tip B200 if I felt strongly that I would barfine the girl that night or the next night. My grope sessions rarely go beyond 20 minutes.
    After 20 minutes you got bored with her pussy or whatever. Ha ha!

    I tip the girl something for her time devoted to me, only if I am not going to barfine her. If BFing, she will get paid well enough for the sex in the end. I think generally girls get less than 100 baht commission per drink sold but depends on the bar. I see some bars have lady drinks at 200 Baht now, and perhaps even higher for Coyote girls (due to Coyotes on higher salary) where Crazy House still has lady drinks at 170 Baht. I think the girl gets less than half.

    So if tip the girl 200 Baht, that is way better for her than buying her an extra drink. There are girls in the bar that start the night with only 100 baht in the purse or less. Barely the cost to get home by motorcycle. They may be several days late to pay the monthly rent as well. So every drink sold and every little tip becomes important if they did not manage to sell themselves for a ST booking. Have to admit to limiting tips to 100 baht quite often though. If serious groping occurred I might go higher. It is probably unusual for me to go for serious groping without the intention to BF though. Most girls I am groping, I have fucked and fingered before so they are generally comfortable with me. I am shy like that. LOL However when the girl starts grinding her pussy on you, you start to feel like she is giving a green light.

    This girls struggling for money leads to a problem. You get girls that do not really want to fuck the customer at all, but pretend to be keen, knowing they will be pathetic on the bed, because the need some money too desperately. I like to be with girls that have decided they want to have fun on the bed, not just grin and bear it.

    If a girl knocks me back due to dick scared of Farangs, or its her period, or whatever, I don't see this as a bad thing. At least she is being honest that she doesn't want to fuck, and is not desperate for money. Better than wasting money on a poor session, even if I already bought her a couple of drinks. Find the girls that prefer to fuck Farangs, and maybe even had a Farang BF or two.

  4. #9042

    Tips for Groping

    Quote Originally Posted by Horatio  [View Original Post]
    Second question, I went into a bar, bought a woman a lady drink and groped her for 20 minutes. What do I need to pay her? Is the lady drink enough? I gave her 200 baht and she seemed happy enough. To be honest, I am a cheap charlie that wants to be fair, so pay what's right but not more.
    I usually buy one lady drink (or maybe 2 LDs) for my 20 minute grope sessions. I usually also tip B100. I think a B200 tip is extremely generous, too much IMHO especially if you buy more than 1 LD. I would only tip B200 if I felt strongly that I would barfine the girl that night or the next night. My grope sessions rarely go beyond 20 minutes.

  5. #9041
    Quote Originally Posted by Syzygies  [View Original Post]
    Maybe slightly more than 2 questions.



    2000 Baht for LT is very low price for a Bangkok bargirl (if in Nana or Cowboy cheaper in less touristy areas). You must be "Cheap Charlie" if that seemed high. Maybe there was some misunderstanding? However you probably only got that low due to her age and lack of customers. I have done a girl aged over 47, but very rarely, so no experience with what they usually ask for at that age. My GF is just turning 40 though and still has a hot body and pretty good face lacking wrinkles.

    Plenty of BKK bargirls do not do even ST for just 2 K (some do). I have a regular overnight Girl that I give significantly more than 2 k but she is certainly worth it.
    I have open invitation to just start fucking her while she is sleeping, but she will soon wake up. LOL.

    I don't know typical range of bargirl LT prices since I am not taking LT, but has to be way higher than 2 K.
    I am at Chalong pier in phuket. I have had one other woman here. I don't know how much she wanted. She seemed to be a freebie. She said she just wanted to be with me and went to leave the next day without me paying her. She was out the door and walking away before I called her back and gave her 2000.

    The bars here have few customers, often just me. A few times someone else will walk in, but the 3 nights I have been to that area, 90% of the time I was the only customer in the bar.

    My guess was that women here would be about same price as Pattaya, and there I was paying 1000 short time and 1500 for overnight. I was told at one bar here, barfine is 500 before 10 and 300 after.

  6. #9040

    Beer and Tequila; Drinking Etiquette & Some Thoughts on Young Inexperienced girls

    Quote Originally Posted by Syzygies  [View Original Post]
    I don't find girls have any problem drinking beers, mixed drinks in the room, even if I am not taking alcohol. I may take an extremely small amount. I can have a drink but just not actually drink much of it and drink soft instead. I don't really drink beer at all. Not only that, I rarely drink anything including a lot of sugar, so avoid "fruit juices". So leaves only a few options.

    If girls are too drunk, I know it's too risky to BF them for just a ST booking. If there is any chance they will puke, then no-go. They may come good in a few hours time (or not). I think it's a fine line between getting the girl a little inebriated or too much. Also have to know the girl. Some girls improve a lot with alcohol, some deteriorate.
    Yeah, a girl may just enjoy the taste of beer and it can quench one's thirst. So, her drinking a cold beer while I am drinking a coke happens a lot. I will drink a beer (1 or 2 beers max) with spicy food, but I hate the bloated feeling more beers give me.

    Buying girls Tequilas in bars is my middle name. LOL. But I usually keep pace with them 1 for 1 so I know when it's time to go. There are risks in letting a girl get sloshed. I remember one time I went into one of my favorite Go Go's late at night to see if a girl I knew was still there. She was, but apparently, she had been drinking a number of Tequilas with another gentleman, who then decided not to barfine her. She was in very good spirits, to say the least, when I walked in and as soon as she saw me, she was all over me like sweet sticky rice. I bought a couple of rounds not truly appreciating her condition. Then I barfined her. I remember as we left the bar her best girlfriend asked me to take good care of her, but it was not until we stepped outside that I realized how wasted my little girl was. She was stumbling down drunk and could not stand up straight. I was pretty far to the wind myself so we must have been a sight walking down the Soi back to my hotel, with me practically carrying her most of the way. But we got there finally, thank Buddha, and up to my loom where my pretty made it just barely to the bed before she collapsed.

    I was cool with everything because I knew this girl a long time and I knew everything would be ok later. After I showered, I went to her and helped her undress down to her panties. She awoke slightly to make that possible and gave me a few kisses. Then we both passed out. HA HA. But, I woke up early in the morning around dawn with a hard on and we had a very nice shag. Then more sleep. Then another shag around 11 am before I let her go. So, all was good as I knew it would be, but the basic lesson here is don't get slammed and don't let your girl get slammed unless it's one of those rare occasions when it is called for.

    So, I totally agree with your observation that "some girls improve a lot with alcohol, some deteriorate." You have to know your girl. For new, never tried before girls, I try to limit the tequilas to 2 or 3 tops before boom boom to warm things up a litte bit and take the edge off. After boom boom, it depends on a number of factors like did I like the girl, do I want to party with her, does she want to party with me. Ect Ect. Again, I don't really consider beer booze at least not in the same category as hard liquor like Tequila. Yes, you can drink a 6 pack of Beer and get drunk, but that is not my idea of a good time. Tequila (Mezcal) is my go to party drink. Nothing works faster or better IMHO except Ludes, but very sadly, those are not available anymore. What a loss to the party/orgy culture! Guys who don't know what I am talking about, go watch "The Wolf of Wall Street".

    One more thing - Inexperienced Girls: It's a gamble with inexperienced girls. They can either be great or a wet blanket or somewhere in between.

    I met a girl at Rose Bar in Phnom Penh this last March. Her older more experienced sister told me I was her first customer and I kind of believe her. Young sister was very shy in the bar and older sis did most of the talking and arousing. But when I took younger sister back to my room, she turned out to be my #1 new girl shag of 2017. I am not kidding. Read my short Phnom Penh trip report. My 1st night with her was amazing. The 2nd night with her after I spent a night with older sister in between was not as good. I think younger sister was mad at me for shagging her older sister. Oh well. If I had it to do all over again I probably would have remained faithful. LOL.

    In any case, sometimes young inexperienced girls can really work out well and other times not so good. I trust my instinct on these matters and I have learned to consider each girl on her individual merits and on the vibe we have or don't have. But it is always a gamble with a young newbie.

    Two others in my top 5 new girls of 2017 were also really young and not in the business a long time. I found them both in Alexis Hotel in Jakarta. Both were 18 years old. I could not have asked for better, sweeter GFE sex from either one.

    And another barely 18 year old from Burgos St. made my top 10 list. With the young Filipina, things were rapidly going down hill (ie no kissing on the lips & no nipple licking) until I went down on her and brought her to orgasm. After her orgasm she became a warm, loving, sexy girl and the night was saved.

    So, I like them young, young (18 to 21), young (21 to 24), still young and pretty (24 to 26), and experienced (26 to 32); all for different reasons. 555. It a smorgasbord. Why not enjoy it?

  7. #9039
    Quote Originally Posted by Horatio  [View Original Post]
    I was at a bar with some 21 year old who was new. She seemed hesitant and another woman there was pushing me to take the new girl. I kind of like the idea of a new girl, but declined because of her hesitancy. How do things like that work out usually? It was 2000 baht plus 300 bar fine so not really a money issue. Is her seeming scared (for lack of a better term) a big concern?

    Second question, I went into a bar, bought a woman a lady drink and groped her for 20 minutes. What do I need to pay her? Is the lady drink enough? I gave her 200 baht and she seemed happy enough. To be honest, I am a cheap charlie that wants to be fair, so pay what's right but not more.

    Not a question, but my opinion. I kind of like the older bar girls. They seem happy to be groped. One wanted 2000 baht for overnight which seemed high, she said she was 47. Another said she was 41 and was pretty hot.
    Newbies have never really worked out for me. Unless they were quite sexually active before getting into the business, they will likely be a bit scared and unsure how to act. Some may freak out if you have a large dick, for example, having only seen small ones. Others will be grossed out if you are too old and / or in bad shape or are rough and demanding or smell bad or are whatever. On the potential plus side, they haven't become jaded yet and, if you happen to hit it off with them, may give a really nice GFE as that is the only kind of sex they have had. But overall, my experience shows they will likely be star fishes in bed.

    As for groping girls and tipping, I would agree that as long as you keep buying LDs and she sticks around, you are ok, but certainly a cheap charlie if that is all you do. However, once you have decided you won't BF her, it is only fair to let her go and try to find someone else. A girl can't earn a living off of LDs, and if they can't make a living, we run out of girls and the rates go up. If you are with her for an hour and then leave her, a couple hundred baht tip would not be unreasonable. I mean, how much is it worth to you to grope a pretty girl for an hour? $3? $10? Many will say they spend enough on LDs, but she only gets a portion of that back and, as mentioned, she may miss out on being BF'd by someone else if she sticks with you expecting to be BF'd or tipped. So yeah, you can walk out on her after getting plenty of feels and getting your fingers wet and all, but by leaving a nice tip you will help ensure that she will continue to be friendly with others.

  8. #9038
    Quote Originally Posted by NattyBumpo  [View Original Post]
    Drinking is a social act. Unless the girl is a lush, she won't want to drink alone in your hotel room. Therefore you have been doing the right thing all along and that was being friendly and buying lady drinks in the bar.
    I don't find girls have any problem drinking beers, mixed drinks in the room, even if I am not taking alcohol. I may take an extremely small amount. I can have a drink but just not actually drink much of it and drink soft instead. I don't really drink beer at all. Not only that, I rarely drink anything including a lot of sugar, so avoid "fruit juices". So leaves only a few options.

    Some girls don't like it if guys smell too strongly of beer. I don't like it if girls stink too much of beer also.

    Also they can drink tequilas in the bar while I take a soda. No big deal. If I am getting stuck into the alcohol, my regulars will know that means I have no intention to fuck, or are already fucked. I just don't need my insensitive dick to be further desensitised. I don't need alcohol to lose inhibitions. LOL.

    If girls are too drunk, I know it's too risky to BF them for just a ST booking. If there is any chance they will puke, then no-go. They may come good in a few hours time (or not). I think it's a fine line between getting the girl a little inebriated or too much. Also have to know the girl. Some girls improve a lot with alcohol, some deteriorate.

  9. #9037
    Quote Originally Posted by Horatio  [View Original Post]
    I was at a bar with some 21 year old who was new. She seemed hesitant and another woman there was pushing me to take the new girl. I kind of like the idea of a new girl, but declined because of her hesitancy. How do things like that work out usually? It was 2000 baht plus 300 bar fine so not really a money issue. Is her seeming scared (for lack of a better term) a big concern?

    Second question, I went into a bar, bought a woman a lady drink and groped her for 20 minutes. What do I need to pay her? Is the lady drink enough? I gave her 200 baht and she seemed happy enough. To be honest, I am a cheap charlie that wants to be fair, so pay what's right but not more.

    Not a question, but my opinion. I kind of like the older bar girls. They seem happy to be groped. One wanted 2000 baht for overnight which seemed high, she said she was 47. Another said she was 41 and was pretty hot.
    Maybe slightly more than 2 questions.

    Newbie hesitant girls can work out very badly. Can have no skills and completely scared. Its a big risk. Best for her to have 2 or 3 drinks (leg openers) to see if she gets a little less hesitant. However could be wasting your money. Ask her what she likes to do, and what sort of guy she likes. If she likes a guy type very different to you, maybe give it a miss. Newbie girls that are just a little shy but showing more confidence may turn out good on the bed (or may not).

    I have a girl who has worked off and on at Crazy House for 4 years (no newbie) and is still on the shy side in the bar. LOL However she is fine on the bed. She is at least not hesitant to give her answer or opinion and does not appear scared of the customer. Just not raunchy in public. However if the girl acts very scared of you, give her a miss.

    If you feel bad about grouping her too long, just buy her another drink, and give a tip as you did.

    2000 Baht for LT is very low price for a Bangkok bargirl (if in Nana or Cowboy cheaper in less touristy areas). You must be "Cheap Charlie" if that seemed high. Maybe there was some misunderstanding? However you probably only got that low due to her age and lack of customers. I have done a girl aged over 47, but very rarely, so no experience with what they usually ask for at that age. My GF is just turning 40 though and still has a hot body and pretty good face lacking wrinkles.

    Plenty of BKK bargirls do not do even ST for just 2 K (some do). I have a regular overnight Girl that I give significantly more than 2 k but she is certainly worth it.
    I have open invitation to just start fucking her while she is sleeping, but she will soon wake up. LOL.

    I don't know typical range of bargirl LT prices since I am not taking LT, but has to be way higher than 2 K.

  10. #9036

    Two questions

    I was at a bar with some 21 year old who was new. She seemed hesitant and another woman there was pushing me to take the new girl. I kind of like the idea of a new girl, but declined because of her hesitancy. How do things like that work out usually? It was 2000 baht plus 300 bar fine so not really a money issue. Is her seeming scared (for lack of a better term) a big concern?

    Second question, I went into a bar, bought a woman a lady drink and groped her for 20 minutes. What do I need to pay her? Is the lady drink enough? I gave her 200 baht and she seemed happy enough. To be honest, I am a cheap charlie that wants to be fair, so pay what's right but not more.

    Not a question, but my opinion. I kind of like the older bar girls. They seem happy to be groped. One wanted 2000 baht for overnight which seemed high, she said she was 47. Another said she was 41 and was pretty hot.

  11. #9035
    Quote Originally Posted by FLHawk  [View Original Post]
    I am not much of a drinker. I have never cared for the taste of alcohol or the loss of self control it can bring, so I just don't do it much at all. But I read the reports of you guys who bring the women back to your hotel and you drink it up to fun times. I have brought back women, but no booze outside of the bar and I am wondering if I need to be offering them something to drink? Beside water! Haha. Since my own personal lifestyle and the people I hang with don't drink, until just now I really haven't considered making it available to my lady guests. I am ok with them drinking, certainly! Just not me as I find the taste detestable.

    Sooo, should I buy some booze that I can offer to them? What might be recommended? <snip> I buy plenty of lady drinks, and will occasionally have a mixed drink, but to buy booze to bring back to my hotel has really never occurred to me as something that the women might be expecting and which will increase the pleasure levels (hers by drinking and dulling her mind about having sex with an old man, mine by her being drunk and less inhibited).
    Drinking is a social act. Unless the girl is a lush, she won't want to drink alone in your hotel room. Therefore you have been doing the right thing all along and that was being friendly and buying lady drinks in the bar. Of course a six pack of beer on hand in the frige is always a good idea. Is beer alcohol? I thought it was fermented soda. LOL. Buy a decent brand. Thai Go Go girls have a taste for Heineken. Don't ask me why. They also like to pour their beer over ice. Again, don't ask me why. 555. I find their preference charming.

    On a more serious drinking level, but still very social, I like to have a bottle of high quality Anejo Tequila or Mezcal in my hotel room. I usually bring a bottle or two carefully wrapped up in my suitcase from the USA. But that is me. I like to drink with girls. I pour shots for them and myself and then I show them how I like to sip fine Tequila and not slug it back like the rot gut they serve in the Go Go's. Then they just through back the shots anyway. Tequila really gets the party going like no other booze. It's not a biggie, but it has made for some pretty amazing and unbelievable nights. The main thing is be yourself and enjoy the girls.

    I also always have fruit juice, cokes, and bottled water on hand. I want my sexy little guests to feel at home. 555.

  12. #9034
    Quote Originally Posted by TodLore  [View Original Post]
    Hi guys,

    I'm coming to Bangkok on November and have a fantasy of participating in a gang-bang with multiple men and woman (no transgenders).

    Does anyone know where can I find such parties in Bangkok?

    Please note that I'm not looking for regular swingers party as I'm single.

    Thank you for your help.
    I think you can fuck multiple girls in public in the Star of Light bar with others watching. Perhaps not quite a gang bang but who needs others guys that are not your close buddies?

  13. #9033
    Quote Originally Posted by FLHawk  [View Original Post]
    I will soon be returning to LOS next month but have a question. I am not much of a drinker. I have never cared for the taste of alcohol or the loss of self control it can bring, so I just don't do it much at all. But I read the reports of you guys who bring the women back to your hotel and you drink it up to fun times. I have brought back women, but no booze outside of the bar and I am wondering if I need to be offering them something to drink? Beside water! Haha. Since my own personal lifestyle and the people I hang with don't drink, until just now I really haven't considered making it available to my lady guests. I am ok with them drinking, certainly! Just not me as I find the taste detestable.

    Sooo, should I buy some booze that I can offer to them? What might be recommended? I am really clueless about this since, again, my lifestyle pretty much excludes alcohol. No morality judgment here on my part at all. I buy plenty of lady drinks, and will occasionally have a mixed drink, but to buy booze to bring back to my hotel has really never occurred to me as something that the women might be expecting and which will increase the pleasure levels (hers by drinking and dulling her mind about having sex with an old man, mine by her being drunk and less inhibited).
    Keep a few cans of imported beer in your fridge and you will do fine. Either ask the hotel to empty the fridge and fill it with your 7-11 supplies (mind the restricted sale times for alcohol) or pay the drinks at hotel rates. The second option will limit the choices and quanties as the fridge is filled with lots of "useless" drinks.

    Your own selection might be more efficient and last longer (an open can of beer doesn't get drank as a whole as quickly become s warm.

    Maybe a small bottle (1/2 LT) of sangsom to mix with coke can be a plus.

    A juice or water for you will wet your throat.

  14. #9032
    I will soon be returning to LOS next month but have a question. I am not much of a drinker. I have never cared for the taste of alcohol or the loss of self control it can bring, so I just don't do it much at all. But I read the reports of you guys who bring the women back to your hotel and you drink it up to fun times. I have brought back women, but no booze outside of the bar and I am wondering if I need to be offering them something to drink? Beside water! Haha. Since my own personal lifestyle and the people I hang with don't drink, until just now I really haven't considered making it available to my lady guests. I am ok with them drinking, certainly! Just not me as I find the taste detestable.

    Sooo, should I buy some booze that I can offer to them? What might be recommended? I am really clueless about this since, again, my lifestyle pretty much excludes alcohol. No morality judgment here on my part at all. I buy plenty of lady drinks, and will occasionally have a mixed drink, but to buy booze to bring back to my hotel has really never occurred to me as something that the women might be expecting and which will increase the pleasure levels (hers by drinking and dulling her mind about having sex with an old man, mine by her being drunk and less inhibited).

  15. #9031
    Quote Originally Posted by TodLore  [View Original Post]
    I'm coming to Bangkok on November and have a fantasy of participating in a gang-bang with multiple men and woman (no transgenders).

    Does anyone know where can I find such parties in Bangkok?
    There is no venue regularly offering such parties, as far as I know. Thai authorities take a dim view of this, and have busted a few gangbang events in the past (don't ask me why, it makes no sense to me either). However, I doubt they'd interfere with a private small one that's not a regular thing or widely publicized.

    One option is to post here or on one of the other forums (say, Bangkok or Pattaya Addicts), and arrange it over PM.

    Once you find a fellow monger (or two) to do it, you can arrange the women directly with some of the looser venues. PSE oilies like Tulip, Snow White, Cherry, Mango or Eden Club (is it still around) would probably be your easiest shot.

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