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  1. #9550
    Quote Originally Posted by Crocodilexp  [View Original Post]
    You can still find plenty of girls for 1000-1500, although in Farang areas more might be the asking rate.

    Easiest thing is to go to a BJ bar like Som's Haven and get FS for 1200. Then there are streetwalkers: most on Soi 3 or Soi 4 would be happy with 1500 and some will consider 1000. In low-end Thai areas like Yaowarat or Khlong Lot rates are as low as 500 (some women are not worse looking than on Sukhumwit, though service is poor). Online, there's FanFinFin for 1000-1500, and 2000 for the top end of the spectrum.

    2300 still gets you 2 h PSE at Tulip or Snow White. With that in mind, I see absolutely no point in paying anything over 2 k or so for a typical not-so-great one-shot ST, unless the girl is truly good looking, and very few are these days.
    The acronyms ST and LT are reserved for freelancers and Go go girls. Obviously this is not referring to massage shops or BJ bars and obviously the average punter who frequents ISG will never ever find themselves using a Thai sideline website. When was the last time you went to Tulip, Snow White, or Som's Heaven and requested LT or ST? Never, because those aren't options. I honestly don't see your point as I already mentioned about Streetwalkers. So what are you actually trying to say here that wasen't already said by me?

    If you are going to quote my post, make sure you quote the whole post otherwise your post becomes very misleading and suspect to being just plain argumentative. You conveniently left out the parts of my post referring to Street walkers and so forth when you quoted me.

  2. #9549
    Quote Originally Posted by Bkkdog  [View Original Post]
    You will be hard pressed to find ST for 1,500 Baht in Bangkok. 2,500 Baht is the norm now...
    You can still find plenty of girls for 1000-1500, although in Farang areas more might be the asking rate.

    Easiest thing is to go to a BJ bar like Som's Haven and get FS for 1200. Then there are streetwalkers: most on Soi 3 or Soi 4 would be happy with 1500 and some will consider 1000. In low-end Thai areas like Yaowarat or Khlong Lot rates are as low as 500 (some women are not worse looking than on Sukhumwit, though service is poor). Online, there's FanFinFin for 1000-1500, and 2000 for the top end of the spectrum.

    2300 still gets you 2 h PSE at Tulip or Snow White. With that in mind, I see absolutely no point in paying anything over 2 k or so for a typical not-so-great one-shot ST, unless the girl is truly good looking, and very few are these days.

  3. #9548
    Quote Originally Posted by Bkkdog  [View Original Post]
    You will be hard pressed to find ST for 1,500 Baht in Bangkok. 2,500 Baht is the norm now in the Go go bars, Thermae, We chat, Craig's List, Thai Friendly, and most clubs where freelancers are such as Insanity. The price will drop for street walkers and for freelancers in the Soi 7 Beer garden. Prices will go up in Spasso, Mixx, and Levels.

    Most girls will ask for 3,000 and you can counter with 2000 but agree on 2,500. The odd one will go for 2000 on a slow night.
    Yeah, the only 1500 I hear is from sporadic SW's and Nana Hotel Sign girls.

  4. #9547
    Quote Originally Posted by Mogwai  [View Original Post]
    Thanks for the summary but next time please quote all prices in Baht. This board has members from all over the world, not just the US, so please quote prices in the currency of the land you're talking about. Makes it a lot easier for everyone to convert the prices to their home currency.
    The guy is breaking his actual total costs and has been kind enough to share them with us. People reading this may be from all over the world, but he isn't. He broke down the actual prices in baht.

  5. #9546
    There are so few posts that give prices in detail, I sm happy to see them in sny currency.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mogwai  [View Original Post]
    Thanks for the summary but next time please quote all prices in Baht. This board has members from all over the world, not just the US, so please quote prices in the currency of the land you're talking about. Makes it a lot easier for everyone to convert the prices to their home currency.

  6. #9545
    Quote Originally Posted by BionicMan  [View Original Post]
    Not only, prices, be them, hotel, food, girls, bars are expressed in baht. And will not change because the exchange rate fluctuates.

    ST has always been around 1000 b. In Pattaya and 1500 in Bangkok. Still it is, even if more expensive for farang because di the rate.
    You will be hard pressed to find ST for 1,500 Baht in Bangkok. 2,500 Baht is the norm now in the Go go bars, Thermae, We chat, Craig's List, Thai Friendly, and most clubs where freelancers are such as Insanity. The price will drop for street walkers and for freelancers in the Soi 7 Beer garden. Prices will go up in Spasso, Mixx, and Levels.

    Most girls will ask for 3,000 and you can counter with 2000 but agree on 2,500. The odd one will go for 2000 on a slow night.

  7. #9544
    Quote Originally Posted by Mogwai  [View Original Post]
    Thanks for the summary but next time please quote all prices in Baht. This board has members from all over the world, not just the US, so please quote prices in the currency of the land you're talking about. Makes it a lot easier for everyone to convert the prices to their home currency.
    Not only, prices, be them, hotel, food, girls, bars are expressed in baht. And will not change because the exchange rate fluctuates.

    ST has always been around 1000 b. In Pattaya and 1500 in Bangkok. Still it is, even if more expensive for farang because di the rate.

  8. #9543
    Quote Originally Posted by StLouisMo2010  [View Original Post]
    Rates are based on 31 Baht per US $, which is almost 10% less than last year, and some prices have gone up in Thailand as well.
    Thanks for the summary but next time please quote all prices in Baht. This board has members from all over the world, not just the US, so please quote prices in the currency of the land you're talking about. Makes it a lot easier for everyone to convert the prices to their home currency.

  9. #9542
    Quote Originally Posted by StLouisMo2010  [View Original Post]
    As there seems to be a lot of discussion related to expenses recently, I thought I would share my recent trip- 4/1-4/12- 11 nights (3 BKK, 8 Jomtien Beach) on the ground, as I used to live on expense account I am used to keeping records, even on vacation.

    Ground Transportation: $112- I used pre arranged taxis thru Peak Taxi- all good fares, except going Airport to BKK where I pre-arranged over the internet- don't do this, book a car at the airport for about $10 less. After or before 30 hours on an airplane I don't want to wait for a bus. I use the Baht Bus in Pattaya / Jomtien and the BTS in BKK, and there is quite a bit of walking also.

    Food: $15 daily average, except breakfast was included in the room. I enjoy a good hotel breakfast which can easily be had if planned ahead, then generally a light lunch and food market / car park dinner of local foods. Also enjoy street food and the Food Court at Terminal 21 is about as good as you can get (you can eat just about as much as you would like for $7).

    Beer: $12 daily average- beer runs 65-150 generally about 75.

    Misc / Tours: $18 daily average- this includes daily foot massage, laundry, snacks, - don't hire a guide for any of the tours- especially a working girl- you can do it all on your own if you have two wits about you.

    Entertainment: $70 daily- I was exclusive with Thai Friendly girls, I had 9 with several overnights, the latter being the best bet- I liked the 2:00 pm til 9:00 am schedule the best. Generally in BKK 2500 (2 hrs /2 Shots), Jomtien 1,000ST, 1500 2/2- overnight about the same with food, treats, breakfast and a tip pushing it upward. Thai Friendly Girls 18-25 1000,38-41 1500 with 2/2 and generally as long as you like.

    I am not big into GO GO bars, therefore I visited a number but did not do LD or Bar Fines, be sure to go and look- if you are nice and friendly and buy your own drinks and be upfront that you are not going to bar fine, you can enjoy a great scene do some touch and feel and enjoy for the price of a couple of beers- I have done beer bars but seem to be looking at too many old pros, there are two bars "Wonderful 1 and 2" second road and Soi 13 and one block down which seem to have a different set up for selection of girls which is positive so I have enjoy their service in the past.

    The gentlemen's clubs (Kinearne? Is good but seems to be really a 1 and done for all in 1500, I went into Kit Kat Club in Jomtien and was the only guy there so left and have not been back, Soapies in Pattaya in the past 2200-2500 for their routine- do it once. MP in BKK vary by the experience- I did not get to them this trip, Soi 6 and Nana are good to walk thru but not my style.

    Hotels: Bangkok. Adelphi Suites: $100, Agate Jomtien Beach $55- both inclusive of tax, tip, and breakfast for two- you can obtain best rates by dealing direct with the hotels (get a compare rate and availability on the search engine res services (Booking, Agoda) but then deal direct with hotels).

    My selection of hospitality services may be not as normal as many on the site, as I have been to Thailand multiple times, and have matured past 65 so two sessions a day can't be accomplished in their entirety each day. And I have a tough time staying up til 4:00 am waiting for a bar girl.

    Rates are based on 31 Baht per US $, which is almost 10% less than last year, and some prices have gone up in Thailand as well.

    Hope this information helps for anyone planning a trip. Thanks to all that have contributed to the Forum and remember RTFF, YMMV, and Cheers, PM me for any specifics.
    Excellent posting with some realistic expenses. Thanks.

  10. #9541

    Expense Summary.

    As there seems to be a lot of discussion related to expenses recently, I thought I would share my recent trip- 4/1-4/12- 11 nights (3 BKK, 8 Jomtien Beach) on the ground, as I used to live on expense account I am used to keeping records, even on vacation.

    Ground Transportation: $112- I used pre arranged taxis thru Peak Taxi- all good fares, except going Airport to BKK where I pre-arranged over the internet- don't do this, book a car at the airport for about $10 less. After or before 30 hours on an airplane I don't want to wait for a bus. I use the Baht Bus in Pattaya / Jomtien and the BTS in BKK, and there is quite a bit of walking also.

    Food: $15 daily average, except breakfast was included in the room. I enjoy a good hotel breakfast which can easily be had if planned ahead, then generally a light lunch and food market / car park dinner of local foods. Also enjoy street food and the Food Court at Terminal 21 is about as good as you can get (you can eat just about as much as you would like for $7).

    Beer: $12 daily average- beer runs 65-150 generally about 75.

    Misc / Tours: $18 daily average- this includes daily foot massage, laundry, snacks, - don't hire a guide for any of the tours- especially a working girl- you can do it all on your own if you have two wits about you.

    Entertainment: $70 daily- I was exclusive with Thai Friendly girls, I had 9 with several overnights, the latter being the best bet- I liked the 2:00 pm til 9:00 am schedule the best. Generally in BKK 2500 (2 hrs /2 Shots), Jomtien 1,000ST, 1500 2/2- overnight about the same with food, treats, breakfast and a tip pushing it upward. Thai Friendly Girls 18-25 1000,38-41 1500 with 2/2 and generally as long as you like.

    I am not big into GO GO bars, therefore I visited a number but did not do LD or Bar Fines, be sure to go and look- if you are nice and friendly and buy your own drinks and be upfront that you are not going to bar fine, you can enjoy a great scene do some touch and feel and enjoy for the price of a couple of beers- I have done beer bars but seem to be looking at too many old pros, there are two bars "Wonderful 1 and 2" second road and Soi 13 and one block down which seem to have a different set up for selection of girls which is positive so I have enjoy their service in the past.

    The gentlemen's clubs (Kinearne? Is good but seems to be really a 1 and done for all in 1500, I went into Kit Kat Club in Jomtien and was the only guy there so left and have not been back, Soapies in Pattaya in the past 2200-2500 for their routine- do it once. MP in BKK vary by the experience- I did not get to them this trip, Soi 6 and Nana are good to walk thru but not my style.

    Hotels: Bangkok. Adelphi Suites: $100, Agate Jomtien Beach $55- both inclusive of tax, tip, and breakfast for two- you can obtain best rates by dealing direct with the hotels (get a compare rate and availability on the search engine res services (Booking, Agoda) but then deal direct with hotels).

    My selection of hospitality services may be not as normal as many on the site, as I have been to Thailand multiple times, and have matured past 65 so two sessions a day can't be accomplished in their entirety each day. And I have a tough time staying up til 4:00 am waiting for a bar girl.

    Rates are based on 31 Baht per US $, which is almost 10% less than last year, and some prices have gone up in Thailand as well.

    Hope this information helps for anyone planning a trip. Thanks to all that have contributed to the Forum and remember RTFF, YMMV, and Cheers, PM me for any specifics.

  11. #9540
    Quote Originally Posted by Allover  [View Original Post]
    I would suggest not renting motorbikes. Other than girls, the most fun I had in Pattaya was renting motorbikes with my wingman on my annual trips. We loved tooling around town and riding to Jomtien, the floating market, the big Pattaya hill, and other nearby places. I stopped renting three years ago. There is too much traffic and it has become too dangerous especially for a rider who only drives a car at home. Also the police will ticket you unless you have an international driving license valid for motorcycles.
    Also if you have an accident and don't have a valid motorcycle license then you could invalidate your travel insurance. Best to check your policy beofre leaving home.

  12. #9539

    Primer

    Good job Horatio. I would add to your primer. I always stay at hotels with an in room safe instead of using a suitcase as a safe. Your suitcase can be stolen. If possible get a debit card that will pay all fees when used abroad. I have an account at Charles Schwab Company which provides debit cards that don't cost anything to use at any ATM. Schwab refunds all ATM fees. There is no need to bring a lot of cash to Thailand or to walk around with a lot of cash. I don't know whether or not this service is available to Schwab clients outside the USA.

    Most phones will work in Thailand but they need to be unlocked to accept a Thai Sim card. Thai telephone based internet is reliable and fast. Just as good as the USA in most places. Great for accessing the internet and using Google maps.

    Don't rent jet skis. It looks like fun but these guys are big time scammers. They will overcharge for damage to the jet ski whether you caused it or not.

    Keep far away from ladyboys on the street as Horatio mentioned. They are highly skilled in the art of pickpocketing and known to be scammers. Don't go near them. When they approach I smile, cover my pockets with my hands, and quickly walk away from them without furthur eye contact.

    I would suggest not renting motorbikes. Other than girls, the most fun I had in Pattaya was renting motorbikes with my wingman on my annual trips. We loved tooling around town and riding to Jomtien, the floating market, the big Pattaya hill, and other nearby places. I stopped renting three years ago. There is too much traffic and it has become too dangerous especially for a rider who only drives a car at home. Also the police will ticket you unless you have an international driving license valid for motorcycles.

    Horatio's primer can go on and on but this is a good start.

  13. #9538

    Adding to my primer

    7/11's are different from those here. They are not jacked up prices. If you need something and 7/11 has it it is a fair price. I trusted food carts. They are everywhere. I never got sick from one. Have a map showing your motel on your phone. If you get lost get a motorbike taxi and show him map to get home. Motorbike taxis are everywhere. A lot of stuff in no name stores is counterfeit, though some is just as good as real. You can get viagra at most pharmacies, though a few told me they couldn't sell it and I would need a prescription. Beach road is easy to find so learn where things are in relation to it.

    Pattaya is safe. But don't be an idiot and be aware. I got pickpocketed by a ladyboy being grabby when I was walking about. So be careful if someone is putting there hands on you. There is no need to have more money on you then hou will need. I locked my valuables in a hard sided suitcase.

    Pattaya is safe other then the traffic. It is something else. Be careful crossing roads. Motor bikes come out of nowhere and obey no law.

    Atm's charge a 220 baht fee. So you are better withdrawing more money at a time as the fee is the same wheter you withdaw 500 thb or 5000 thb.

    Some things i never figured out. I didnt understand my phone billing. I would go to 7/11 every few weeks and give them my number and 500 baht. I lost the ability to use cellular internet a few times. Wifi is a lot of places though.

    Get line message app. Everyone in Thailand uses it and it is free.

  14. #9537

    Basic primer

    Here is my experience for what its worth. I was on a budget. Others here can add or disagree.

    You will most likely fly into Bangkok. I wanted to go to pattaya. It is smaller and less intimidating if everything is new. To get there, at airport, after customs you go downstairs. There are buses that go to pattaya every hour. This is best way to go. While at airport you need to get some thai money. I suggest at least 5000 baht $150. You get from an ATM. You can extend your visa to 2 months at airport. I don't know how, hopefully others here will explain. Also you can get a sim card here. I got my sim card in pattaya. I added time to it when it got low by going to 7/11.

    You should have a motel already picked out. Have the details and address in your phone. Have a picture of a map to it in your phone also. The place the bus takes you will have taxis close by. Have one of them take you to motel. It shouldn't cost more than a couple hundred baht. I think you can trust you are getting a fair price. You have nothing to compare so go with anything below say 500 thb. It shouldn't be near that high though. You need the map because many taxi drivers wont know the hotel and cant read the address in english.

    Baht buses are the way to get around pattaya. They cost 10 baht. You ring a bell to get off. They have specific routes and you just change baht buses when you need. Ask someone on the bus how it works. They almost always are willing to help.

    Walking street is the big place most newbies want to go to. It has the gogo bars. There are other places. But1st couple of days walking street, soi 6 and beer bars are all you need. Soi means street. The numbered ones run 90 degrees from beach road.

    Prices of girls at berr bars and soi 6 were 1000 baht and 300 baht barfine. I never got a girl out of a gogo.

    I suggest first night you get a girl at soi 6 and take her upstairs to have. Overnight I liked better but it might seem weird first night in a foreign country sleeping next to a woman you just met.

    Big advice next. Go for what you want. Want a 3 some tell that, want CIM do that. Don't want to buy some girl a drink, then don't. I don't mean be a dick, but its your vacation and your money.

    Anyone want to know anything else I will answer best I can. Again others here will have different opinions. These are just mine.

  15. #9536
    Quote Originally Posted by RobJones  [View Original Post]
    A lovely little girl from Semarang in Indonesia gave me a good lesson 15+ years ago! It could have have been more costly but a gut feeling inspired me to make a fake Yahoo ID and she soon showed her true colours to my new persona.
    The really skilled girls are harder to catch out, as don't tell a lot of easily detected lies, and don't necessarily hookup on the internet sites. Can be just the girl omits major details of what is going on in her life.

    I just warn that some girls went undetected for very long times.

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