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  1. #25296
    Quote Originally Posted by JimmyBoy99  [View Original Post]
    Did you discuss with her expected services and amount of time she would spend with you before barfining her? Why did you not adjust her fee based on her service (or lack thereof) and minimal time in the room? Had you prepaid the 4000 bhat at the bar or to her? 6000 bhat for 15 minutes is mighty expensive.
    I think some guys paying enormous amounts never think about service they get.

    It just plesßes their ego thinking the more they pay, the better they receive.

    Proof is that, after all, they are still happy.

  2. #25295

    Updates

    Ok, I went back to Night Wish and spoke with Jen. It seems that we had a language problem. She can barely understand English, and when I asked her what the bar fines were as I may have misunderstood the other day, her eyes glazed over and she called over another girl to translate. The girl quoted the prices we all here were expecting, so what happened was Jen simply heard me say "bar file", failed to understand what "go upstairs" meant, and gave me (I like to think) the term she wanted to have with me. She is new here, so maybe she is still on her learning curve.

    I did go not go back to check at the other place, but I have to assume something similar happened.

    Sorry about the false alarm guys!

    I did have a session with this hottie and she was night and day different from Wan at What's Up. Mr. E's wisdom shines again and was prophetic.

    I also saw An again at Halifax, and had a scare. The police came to visit as we were, um, involved upstairs. We were warned and quickly got dressed, but no one came upstairs. I guess it was just a single officer, and he had been to someplace out there the previous day. No idea what he was doing, but all was well.

    As for Wan from What's Up, perhaps the best thing for me to do is to go back and see her, and bring Noi over as interpreter, as Wan is as bad as Jen with English. It is possible she had a valid reason. Before I cause anyone to lose face or make a big deal out of something that isn't again, I should bring it up with her. I doubt I will go to the mamasan with this, but if I unknowingly do something wrong, I want to know so it doesn't happen again. Regardless, I advise all to avoid Wan. As Mr E will like to hear me say, you can have the super cute Jen four times for just one time with Wan.

  3. #25294
    Quote Originally Posted by FLHawk  [View Original Post]
    I really don't want to get her in trouble, especially if I was unknowingly hurting her, but dashing away is unacceptable behavior after I spent close to 8000 be in that club all totaled!

    Should I go back with her and get with the friend to interpret and ask her why she left? Should I go in and BF someone else? I don't know if speaking with the mamason would do anygood there. Just slip the club in the future. But despite high prices, they do have the best looking girls on the street. Thanks!
    If you did not give her the money would she be trying to get you in trouble? If I spent 8000 baht and was not satisfied, I would definitely be trying to get someone in trouble. I would not say throwing good money after bad is the answer. Just call it a loss. I am not as big of a monger to spend that much on pussy. I would rather have 5 of those 1500 chicks you were talking about than 1 8000 chick. You got 5 chances to get something good with the 5 chicks. I couldn't put all my faith into one expensive experience. I make every chick wash their face when they come to my room anyway, so the glitz and glamour has left the building. I like fucking personalities more so than looks.

  4. #25293
    Quote Originally Posted by FLHawk  [View Original Post]
    Special Soi 6 Pricing Alert.
    I again wondered if it was age discrimination (perfectly understandable if so), but she had been touching me and stuff, was very friendly and energetic, and had clearly wanted to be BF'the. I again declined and she did not make any lower offer. I can understand prices going up a little after several years, but for a standard rabbit-warren Soi 6 bar, a doubling to tripling of the price seems insane. Possibly Night Wish could pull off an increase, but have you guys noted this?? Have I failed to keep up with the reports here?
    From what I hear, thai bargirls are just like any other employee. They will will often try to cheat the system (ie: like how a worker will cheat their timesheet or a waiter will steal money by removing food orders from the restaurant and pocketing the difference). In this case, she wasn't stealing or anything as bad as that. But I think she was trying to improve her fortune at the expense of yourself and the unspoken concept of a "soi 6 rate" which we all know about. On the monger side, it's just known that 1000-1500 is the price for ST. Doubling that is really off-putting as this isn't a nightclub with high priced hookers looking to charge high prices to rich foreigners near / in an expensive hotel.

    Anyway, this kind of thing happens. People trying to get away with more than they can. Give someone an inch and they take a mile kind of thing. And / Or I think she heard a friend who did this, bragged, and now feels envious or entitled to 2500/ ST. Thai girls care a lot about their working girls peers sometimes.

  5. #25292
    Quote Originally Posted by FLHawk  [View Original Post]

    Should I go back with her and get with the friend to interpret and ask her why she left? Should I go in and BF someone else? I don't know if speaking with the mamason would do anygood there. Just slip the club in the future. But despite high prices, they do have the best looking girls on the street. Thanks!
    Unless we have lived in Thailand for a very long time (10+ years) and are fluent in the local language, we will never understand how the mind of a Thai bar girl (or any Thai girl) works. It's best not to go back to that bar again. Avoid any confrontation where the girl could lose face. You are a guest in a foreign country, so put it down to experience and move on. 6,000 THB is not a big amount for a foreign tourist and there are plenty more girls to chase.

    6,000 THB could also get you a very nice escort in BKK, who will generally deliver the contracted services. Their customer ratings are important, so it's a safe bet.

  6. #25291
    Quote Originally Posted by FLHawk  [View Original Post]
    OK, here is another problem. How do I handle it? Was at What's Up last night. BF'd a cute girl after buying her and BB's friend a number of drinks. Things were going well, except the girl, Wan, Number 84, can barely understand English. BF'd her, 4000 for her and 2000 to the club. Expensive, but they have a bunch of hot girls. For ST. Back at my place, she was not exactly active, but neither a Star Fish. NO BJ, some light FK and FIV. Started the deed. She was on top for a while, then missionary for a short while then doggie. She started drying out so I put on some lube and went back inside her. She was moaning and doing a little bit of touching me, as well as touching herself, but still pretty low key. But her body is the perfect size and was smooth with a handful of Ts and all else seems to be going well. I am feeling like I will be able to hit the Big O with her, but she was starting to dry out just a little so I pulled out to add more lube so I could make the big run home in comfort. We had been at it for maybe 15 minutes at this point, if that. But when I pull out and reach for the lube, she gets up and heads to the bathroom, then I hear the shower turn on! What the beep? I have been quiet, saying very little, certainly no "OMG I am coming baby! Nor did I suddenly start pumping hard and fast to indicated I came. She comes out dressed and I say, quietly and with no malice, 'I haven't come yet! No comment from her and 15 seconds later she is gone.

    I had been a pure gentleman with her! I was showered and smelled good, was respectful of her totally. Didn't force her to do anything, was gentle, quiet, soft spoken, don't smoke or drink, and relatively slender for my age, not ugly or at least overly ugly, . ? Why did she leave and what, if anything should I do.

    Most Thai girls take it personally when you don't come. This girl simply bolted out of there when she saw the chance. Yes, yes, there is the implication I was mean or was hurting her or something, but that was not the case. Or if my pumping was hurting her, she said nothing about it and, at that point, I was being pretty tame anyway. Heck, I am the kind who, if I think I am hurting a girl, I will volunteer to stop, as I don't want to hurt anyone or make anyone uncomfortable regardless of it I am paying then or not.

    I really don't want to get her in trouble, especially if I was unknowingly hurting her, but dashing away is unacceptable behavior after I spent close to 8000 be in that club all totaled!

    Should I go back with her and get with the friend to interpret and ask her why she left? Should I go in and BF someone else? I don't know if speaking with the mamason would do anygood there. Just slip the club in the future. But despite high prices, they do have the best looking girls on the street. Thanks!
    Did you discuss with her expected services and amount of time she would spend with you before barfining her? Why did you not adjust her fee based on her service (or lack thereof) and minimal time in the room? Had you prepaid the 4000 bhat at the bar or to her? 6000 bhat for 15 minutes is mighty expensive.

  7. #25290

    Trip Report. Sunday, Day 3

    My Lady and I slept until nearly 10 AM. And then we did the deed. Maybe she decided I had money and she wanted to establish a relationship, or that if she didn't have sex I wouldn't give her money, I do not know. She gave an awesome, slow, soft BBBJ. Excellent quality if you like it slow and soft, which I do. I might possibly have come orally, but I didn't know if I would see her agaoin and I wanted intercourse, which I soon got covered. I was amazed at her huge, bolt-on breasts, which I had not seen coming, though they were too firm and unnatural-feeling. Still, impressive. I could not come, of course, which bugged her. I explained my situation, but make clear I was expecting BB from her. She stuck around and then showed the first signs of attraction for me. She wanted to have lunch with me. OK, so we got dressed and went to the Central Festival food court. After lunch, I walked her to her nearby hotel, then she wanted to see me later and walk on the beach. Hmmmmm We had exchanged Line, but I had not yet got a Thai SIM card, so I only had Internet at my hotel, or at the Marine Bar, thus giving me an excuse about not answering her texts that started coming.

    With her gone for the afternoon at least, I got onto TF and hooked up with Poona55, a new girl. She looked pretty decent in the photos (which have changed), but less attractive in person. She has been constantly online so she replied immediately to my inquiry. She was quick to ask how much I would give her. I said 1000 plus 100 for travel. She replied saying "Sorry, I need 1500" So I agreed and she was there in 20 minutes. I had showered and she took one when she arrived, then in bed, she started off with a slow BBBJ then got a little firmer. It was pretty good, then on went a condom and she climbed on top. No kissing and while she gave a good effort, I gave up after a short while. Just wasn't feeling it, but that was not all her fault. She asked why I didn't come and I told her. She said she only does BB with her BF, and I told her good for her. At no point did I ask to go BB, and I was serious about telling her to stay safe. She left and I showered again and laid down for a nap. Give Poona a 6 for face, 6+ for body and 6 for performance. She was ok, friendly, prompt and all, but nothing to make me want to see her again. But she seems to hang out on TF and is prompt to reply, so give her a shout if you need a quickie.

    I was exhausted from staying up so late, and slept much of the afternoon after Poona left, not really waking until my Lady called me at about 7 PM. I slept later than I should have and remained a bit groggy for several hours.

    We met up and went to dinner at a cheap place near her hotel, then headed to WS. We went into a couple of places where they played music, I can't remember the names. IMiami being one I think. The music was too loud, but even so, I found myself nearly nodding off if I closed my eyes. By 2 AM we were back at the hotel, and this time we had BB sex. She was afraid I might get her pregnant but, nope, I was cut years ago. I, of course, was concerned about STDs, but she assured me she was clean. I hope! The BJ was shorter in duration this time, then she climbed on and after a few minutes with her on top of me, she asked why I hadn't come yet. Well, she really wasn't moving in and out sufficiently to give me much stimulation, so I said I need to be on top, so we rolled over, and the fabulous sensations of a very wet lady got me off in short order. I rushed to the shower, followed by her. She still didn't seem to want to be together in the bathroom at the same time, and she still did little kissing during the deed. I really don't understand this relationship. I sense she wants to hang with me, and she is starting to show signs of caring, or at least watching my spending, but I it still seems artificial to me. Plus, I have a Thai GF already where I can definitely feel the love. We fell asleep, though I kept waking up every hour to [CodeWord111] due to all the soda I drank.

    But to summarize today. There was Poona from TF for 1500, and my Lady again for the cost of a meal and some drinks.

  8. #25289

    Trip Report. Saturday, Day 2

    I will try to be a bit more concise today than yesterday. I am still jet lagged and have chosen to try to nap in the afternoon so I will be awake in the early morning hours so as to take full advantage of WS. So, today I started the mongering late, not hitting Soi 6 until after the sun was down. As with yesterday there are plenty of girls but the pickings were slim. I did find a suitable girl, An, at Halifax. Not really the prettiest, but something about her was attractive to me. Not quite a spinner, she was slender, probably in her latter 20's, with shortish hair. We went inside to talk and after sharing drinks (me, soda) end up upstairs. An gave an awesome performance overall. Her BBBJ was awesome, and she seemed to love sex. Of course, with covered sex, there would be no release as I released yesterday, but man did she try! She didn't want to give up. She tried positions with me I had never done before. In one, I was on my side and she was perpendicular to me, leaning back on her arms with me in between her extended legs, making it easy to see my Johnson sliding in and out of her. She was wet and stayed wet and I finally had to stop her as I know we were at our time limit, and I was starting to go numb. She didn't rush to clean up and that point, but laid there with her legs still open, inviting me to climb back on and continued – which I did just to make her happy. The apcalis kept me hard. There was no kissing which was a down side, but overall she was a great provider. It wasn't until we were done that I realized why I had the hots for her so much – she resembled my lady barber / stylist, who is Korean. I have had the hots for her for over a decade, almost getting the chance to date her. That is another story though.

    I do think we overextended our hour, and if her boss was upset I let her know An did great and I would return, which I plan to. The only downside was she was not too open to kissing. She was 27 and did have a see-section scar, but her body was in decent shape with a nice handful of soft, not quite sagging Ts. So certainly not a super great body, but not bad at all, and she had that great attitude. Give a 7 or maybe higher for face, 7+ for body (slender but with minor baby damage) and 9 for performance. Standard Soi 6 rates of 300/1000, and I tipped her 200. I do want to see her again.

    After that, I headed to WS to meet up with Banana Boy. We hit several clubs, to include Infinity and What's Up. I had never been to What's Up, but man did they have some hot women! BB, of course, seems to have a GF at each club in the city, and he can make new ones even treading down a flooded street!. He introduced me to his friend, who is just a sweetheart, and she helped pull over another girl, who was really hot, Wan. I figured I would BF Wan later in the week. (Remember this girl Wan.) I hear What's Up is expensive, but I budgeted for a few such girls, so I do plan to return.

    After BB had to leave, I was still feeing empowered and ended up at Marine Bar. I figured since I had been using their wifi I should go in, now that it was late and was just starting to fill up, and get a soda. I staked out a table and, like I had done 18 months earlier, awaited the girls to arrive and want to share my table as the place filled. Well, the club was pretty full but no girls came by to share my table. I wanted to leave so I decided that I would wait for some cute girls to walk by who were looking for a table and offer mine to them. If they happened to talk to me I might stay to see how things went, otherwise I would leave. Eventually, two ladies did come by and offered the table to then, and one of them did start talking to me, so I stayed.

    She was a bit older but with a good body. But the ear splitting so-called music and her English (which I think was ok except that her accent was too strong), we had difficulties communicating. I also wondered if she was wasted on beer, as she kept asking me the same questions over and over. But from what I can make up, she was 46 years old (but dang nice bod) She had a well-to-do husband who died but left her a house up north and a condo in Bangkok. I later learned she has bolt-on boobs that she got a few years ago, and this is her second trip to Pattaya, the first being a year ago, or so she says. She says she went to Bangkok to visit her daughter and then came down to Pattaya for a 5-day holiday. She had come with a friend last year, and this year she was by herself, staying at a hotel on Second road. But I could get no indication if she was here to make money off of her body or what? I mean, the answer seems obvious, that she was here for money, but I don't know that if was that simple. It was probably more of her looking for a man to support her. IDK.

    When it was about 4:30 AM I said I needed to go and while she had a hotel close to mine, she asked if I wanted her to stay with me. I said fine, but she said it was only to sleep. I said fine. At the hotel, she seemed surprised about having to turn over her ID as we entered. She and the lady at the desk spoke some words and she looked and said "They want me to give them my ID!" That was not the reaction of a woman familiar with the ways of women wanting money. In the room, she showered on her own and repeated about this being only to sleep. Fine I said, as I was tired. It was around 5 AM. She kept her towel wrapped around her and after my shower I crawled in bed with her and, yes, fell asleep.

    I have chosen not to identify her. I will just refer to her as my Lady, as she was. To be continued.

  9. #25288

    BG bolts during pause for lube

    OK, here is another problem. How do I handle it? Was at What's Up last night. BF'd a cute girl after buying her and BB's friend a number of drinks. Things were going well, except the girl, Wan, Number 84, can barely understand English. BF'd her, 4000 for her and 2000 to the club. Expensive, but they have a bunch of hot girls. For ST. Back at my place, she was not exactly active, but neither a Star Fish. NO BJ, some light FK and FIV. Started the deed. She was on top for a while, then missionary for a short while then doggie. She started drying out so I put on some lube and went back inside her. She was moaning and doing a little bit of touching me, as well as touching herself, but still pretty low key. But her body is the perfect size and was smooth with a handful of Ts and all else seems to be going well. I am feeling like I will be able to hit the Big O with her, but she was starting to dry out just a little so I pulled out to add more lube so I could make the big run home in comfort. We had been at it for maybe 15 minutes at this point, if that. But when I pull out and reach for the lube, she gets up and heads to the bathroom, then I hear the shower turn on! What the beep? I have been quiet, saying very little, certainly no "OMG I am coming baby! Nor did I suddenly start pumping hard and fast to indicated I came. She comes out dressed and I say, quietly and with no malice, 'I haven't come yet! No comment from her and 15 seconds later she is gone.

    I had been a pure gentleman with her! I was showered and smelled good, was respectful of her totally. Didn't force her to do anything, was gentle, quiet, soft spoken, don't smoke or drink, and relatively slender for my age, not ugly or at least overly ugly, . ? Why did she leave and what, if anything should I do.

    Most Thai girls take it personally when you don't come. This girl simply bolted out of there when she saw the chance. Yes, yes, there is the implication I was mean or was hurting her or something, but that was not the case. Or if my pumping was hurting her, she said nothing about it and, at that point, I was being pretty tame anyway. Heck, I am the kind who, if I think I am hurting a girl, I will volunteer to stop, as I don't want to hurt anyone or make anyone uncomfortable regardless of it I am paying then or not.

    I really don't want to get her in trouble, especially if I was unknowingly hurting her, but dashing away is unacceptable behavior after I spent close to 8000 be in that club all totaled!

    Should I go back with her and get with the friend to interpret and ask her why she left? Should I go in and BF someone else? I don't know if speaking with the mamason would do anygood there. Just slip the club in the future. But despite high prices, they do have the best looking girls on the street. Thanks!

  10. #25287
    Quote Originally Posted by ChristianG  [View Original Post]
    Prices in soi6 for ST in the rooms upstairs are always the same. The only increased there was in some bars for the use of their rooms, all Nightwish Group bars are now 400 baht for the rooms upstairs and Chili, Route69 and Candy now cost 350 baht for the rooms.
    Good to hear.

    Thanks for checking the two clubs out for me. Hope this has all been some sort of freakish misunderstanding. I am far too experienced and set in my ways than to have mixed up ST and LT pricing, but if things haven't really changed, that is all that matters. I hope to be having a nice time with Jen and perhaps Noi very soon. I need it, as my time with a Waht's Up hottie did not turn out well last night.

  11. #25286
    Quote Originally Posted by FLHawk  [View Original Post]
    What IS out of the ordinary and which I guess I am having trouble conveying, is that Night Wish quoted me 1000 BF and 2500 for the girl for ST upstairs. Chilie Bar quoted me 800 BF and 2000 for the girl, again for ST upstairs. Is this their new normal pricing or, given the confusion I am seeing here, was I somehow misunderstood by the girls? I mean, I said ST here and people think I may have said LT, so who knows? Haha.
    Prices in soi6 for ST in the rooms upstairs are always the same. The only increased there was in some bars for the use of their rooms, all Nightwish Group bars are now 400 baht for the rooms upstairs and Chili, Route69 and Candy now cost 350 baht for the rooms.

  12. #25285
    Quote Originally Posted by FLHawk  [View Original Post]
    Maybe sexually frustrated, but not drunk. I have had zero alcohol this trip. But.

    I wrote "The comparisons occurred during a single trip to Soi 6 during the afternoon on Tuesday and all were all for ST. " I do not see how this can be confusing. I had, in all cases, talked about "going upstairs" with the girls. There was never any talk of LT or leaving the club.

    I next wrote "2500 and 1000 for LT are hardly shocking nor hardly merit an alert here. " So I was clear that I DID NOT feel that those prices, for LT, were anything out of the ordinary. Meaning, if I had asked for LT I would hardly have been surprised with that pricing and I would not have come here to inquire about it.

    What IS out of the ordinary and which I guess I am having trouble conveying, is that Night Wish quoted me 1000 BF and 2500 for the girl for ST upstairs. Chilie Bar quoted me 800 BF and 2000 for the girl, again for ST upstairs. Is this their new normal pricing or, given the confusion I am seeing here, was I somehow misunderstood by the girls? I mean, I said ST here and people think I may have said LT, so who knows? Haha.

    So, to again answer the "unanswered question":

    QUESTION: Were the inflated prices you were quoted for using the bars short time rooms or to take the girl outside?

    ORIGINAL ANSWER: The comparisons occurred during a single trip to Soi 6 during the afternoon on Tuesday and all were all for ST.

    FINAL ANSWER: It was to use the bar's short time rooms upstairs.

    But sorry for the apparent confusion! I hope if one of you has recently been to either of these clubs you can confirm pricing. I may go back tomorrow and confirm. If LittleBig Man can speak with the club owner, maybe the owner can speak with Jen to see if she remembers. But for sure, I very specifically remember asking her to go upstairs. I do hope I somehow confused the girls, though this whole trip I have consistently asked about going upstairs. Oh well. I hope it is all just a misunderstanding. Night Wish had some hot girls! 350/1000 for a couple of them would be a bargain!
    I'd really be shocked if it wasn't a misunderstanding. ST prices on the six are set and I've never paid more than 1000 + 350.

    In your first post you said that tit was your first day so maybe chalk it all up to jetlag. It happens to the best of us.

  13. #25284
    Maybe sexually frustrated, but not drunk. I have had zero alcohol this trip. But.

    I wrote "The comparisons occurred during a single trip to Soi 6 during the afternoon on Tuesday and all were all for ST. " I do not see how this can be confusing. I had, in all cases, talked about "going upstairs" with the girls. There was never any talk of LT or leaving the club.

    I next wrote "2500 and 1000 for LT are hardly shocking nor hardly merit an alert here. " So I was clear that I DID NOT feel that those prices, for LT, were anything out of the ordinary. Meaning, if I had asked for LT I would hardly have been surprised with that pricing and I would not have come here to inquire about it.

    What IS out of the ordinary and which I guess I am having trouble conveying, is that Night Wish quoted me 1000 BF and 2500 for the girl for ST upstairs. Chilie Bar quoted me 800 BF and 2000 for the girl, again for ST upstairs. Is this their new normal pricing or, given the confusion I am seeing here, was I somehow misunderstood by the girls? I mean, I said ST here and people think I may have said LT, so who knows? Haha.

    So, to again answer the "unanswered question":

    QUESTION: Were the inflated prices you were quoted for using the bars short time rooms or to take the girl outside?

    ORIGINAL ANSWER: The comparisons occurred during a single trip to Soi 6 during the afternoon on Tuesday and all were all for ST.

    FINAL ANSWER: It was to use the bar's short time rooms upstairs.

    But sorry for the apparent confusion! I hope if one of you has recently been to either of these clubs you can confirm pricing. I may go back tomorrow and confirm. If LittleBig Man can speak with the club owner, maybe the owner can speak with Jen to see if she remembers. But for sure, I very specifically remember asking her to go upstairs. I do hope I somehow confused the girls, though this whole trip I have consistently asked about going upstairs. Oh well. I hope it is all just a misunderstanding. Night Wish had some hot girls! 350/1000 for a couple of them would be a bargain!

  14. #25283
    Quote Originally Posted by FLHawk  [View Original Post]
    The comparisons occurred during a single trip to Soi 6 during the afternoon on Tuesday and all were all for ST. 2500 and 1000 for LT are hardly shocking nor hardly merit an alert here. I will be posting full details in my Tuesday report, coming soon. I am just curious if this has been the standard of those two clubs I just happened to visit, or what.
    FL Hawk, I know your English is good so why are you having trouble clarifying your post? Your numbers in this second post are even more confusing, ST 2,500 and LT 1000?

    The question is simple. Were the inflated prices you were quoted for using the bars short time rooms or to take the girl outside? Again, if the prices quoted were for taking the girl out of the bar, then those prices are correct.

    What I think happened in your situation, is you were quoted a price for taking the girl out of the bar. Next time, clarify when you make the inquiry what you want, on the premisies, or outside the bar. You have posted several times about Soi 6 so I know you know what you are doing. I am wondering if you were drunk at the time you posted that alert on the forum?????

  15. #25282
    Quote Originally Posted by FLHawk  [View Original Post]
    The comparisons occurred during a single trip to Soi 6 during the afternoon on Tuesday and all were all for ST. 2500 and 1000 for LT are hardly shocking nor hardly merit an alert here. I will be posting full details in my Tuesday report, coming soon. I am just curious if this has been the standard of those two clubs I just happened to visit, or what.
    I think the question is being ask which hasn't been answered? The prices quoted you was it for the girl leaving with you to your hotel?

    If you were asking the girl to use their room upstairs then the price quoted you isn't within the range! I know he has recently raise his ST room rate to like 400-500 baht, but 2500 on the premises I think not. I can't remember the other bar you mentioned but the Night Wish group runs around 6-8 bars on Soi 6, including J-Gentlemen Club if they haven't found a sucker for that place yet.

    If you clarify, I know the head owner of the Night Wish group can ask him if I get more of the specifics.

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