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  1. #5251

    My quarterly adventure form TX

    I was done for my once every three to four months trip to Tijuana. I found hotter girls to be available in the early afternoon than in the morning, but for the most part a better value for the peso can be had in the alley vs clubs. After a few sessions I was strooling along the alley just checking out the sights. A girl in her 30's, a bit over weight, and appearing like a walker comes up to me. Her english is very good and she offers an hour long massage plus everything else and even offers to spend the night. I'm sore after sitting on a plane for three hours and think it may be ok but not for a few hours. She asks how much I will pay and I say the going rate is 300 - 400. She agrees and says she will come up to my room in two hours at Cascadas. I take a short nap and head out about 1. 5 hours later. She is across the street and comes up to me. I decide a good massage and BJ might do a body good. She looked much better with her clothes off although nothing great. She proceeds to provide a very nice massage for at least an hour. Then a nice BJ. The condom is applied and up on top she goes. To my suprise she is very tight, I expected to slip in without hitting the sides. After a few positions I finish up and she wants to spend the night. I was not really into that and told her I needed to get some sleep. She was a very nice girl and we did talk for a while but when I'm done with a girl, I'm done! She gets up and jumps in the shower, I lay 400 pesos down and hand it to her after she dries off and gets dressed. She looks confused and said "I thought you meant $400. Really!! I said the going rate is 300 pesos. She let me know she was new to Tijuana but had gotten about 800 pesos from other guys. I give her an additional 100 pesos and we both laugh a little about the misunderstanding. She thought she hit a lucky payday. For her looks, she was not nearly worth anything over 400 pesos an hour but she was a very nice girl and provided excellent service and was fun to be with. Once again I can't remember a name but I even considered a repeat. BTW she was into anal play for those who are into that. She was also into DATY but my tounge was still tired from the Tropicals girl. Have fun and sometimes taking a chance on a not so hot girl pays off.

  2. #5250

    Mexican Independence Day Saturday September 16th

    Headed down to Tijuana on a busy afternoon. Parked at my usual spot in San Ysidro behind the Jack in the Crack and noticed that the parking fee has gone up from $7 to $12 for 8 hours on weekends. Attendant told me that the price went up about a month or so ago. The area was bustling for the Mexican holiday. Exchange rate near the McDonald and Trolley averaged 17.2 pesos per 1 USD. Got my pesos. There were so many people crossing in to Mexico that Mexican Immigration didn't post bother to stop anyone for documentation, they just let everyone walk right on in. Caught a taxi to the Arch for only 50 pesos and noticed a lot of Policia activity near the Arch. I went to Piri Pharmacy to reup on Sildenafil and bottled water. Some of the best prices IMO. The Zona was pretty lively. Went to HK for pre-game and avoided Policia activity. Afterwards I took a stroll around the blocks to do some recon. There were lots of Street Girls out, more than usual. School girl corner had a pretty good line up. I seen a chica that I did before but this was a fresh meat mission for me. With the amount of Street Girls out in the area I knew that I had to make several rounds on the blocks to fully assess the theatre of operations. After several rounds I stopped and talked to Claudia from the the. F. She was a sweet flaca with an inviting personality, always smiling with that innocent look. We agreed on 250 pesos sin ropa, damage for the cuarto was 50 pesos and less than average. Some of these rooms are pitiful. After undressing (bushy kitty) she started out with an average hand job to get a rise staring enthusiastically at my Johnson. Started out in mish then to perrito and back to mish for a pop. She took it very well and the kitty felt right. No complaints except for the room. After some small talk we cleaned up with wipes, no running water in room and got dressed, exchanged info and went our separate ways. As I walked around the corner I seen 2 policia have a ratero punk in trouble. One had the ratero in a choke hold while the other was getting control of his hands. Ultimately they had him in handcuffs and lead him away. Then I went to the corner for some of my favorite taco. Always good! After eating I headed back to HK for some halftime activities. Got a double X beer and headed upstairs where they had the shaving cream show near barra 2. Nice naked chicas doing their thing. They had a poor gringo stripped down to his boxers in the stage having their way with him. LOL. After the show I had some fun with the chicas on stage, touching, rubbing, fingering their tight holes. Cleaned up with a towel I walked around tipping chicas, sucking tits, rubbing, grabbing ass, fondling, etc for propina. Finally headed back to the alley for another recon mission. Ran into a hot spinner named Maribel with a playful smile. We agreed on 250 pesos sin ropa. Cuarto was 80 pesos upstairs. First room had no lights so went to a 2nd room. Fan was broken and the bed was in shambles. Pitiful and substandard. Session was so so but didn't fully enjoy myself. Bed springs hurt my knees and was noisy. Room was hot and uncomfortable. Popped in mish and was glad to be out of there. Will not return to that hotel. Then went to Plaza Cecelia to watch some entertainment and get some souvenirs. Walked back down and hopped in a cab and got dropped off at the old border. Only 5 people in front of me. After a few minutes I was back in the USA. This trip was OK, not the best but OK.

  3. #5249

    My recent trip to Tijuana

    There were some girls not worth repeating and some I repeated every single day of my visit. The names may be incorrect, I just went with what I thought they said.

    Humana from Puebla standing 4 paces West of Cascadas back entrance wearing a school girls outfit. She looked hot, especially showing off the curvature of her bum from underneath the tiny skirt. Small breast, very pretty, about 5'6" tall and works from 3 pm to 12. Follows instructions (multiple positions & nipple nibbling), but no pussy play & digits allowed. She does not smile and seem distant in her thoughts, even after my second visit.

    "Ma ha ree" standing outside El Porton. Cute and wears glasses, but not a repeat with me. Can't touch or kiss her anywhere.

    Danella from Puebla standing in front of Hotel Mini but willing to go over to Cascadas. Tiny girl, very pretty, can't be more than 5' or 100 lb (skinny) No clit rubbing but can play with the labia, nibble on nipple and follows instructions for different positions. Works 8 to 4.

    Sofie standing at Hotel Mini is about 5'3" with small breast and inverted nipples. I peg her at under 23 years of age, a little chubby but pretty. Also can touch pussy and she felt loose.

    Wendy (some posters refer her as Vampire due to her prominent incisors) Stands across the street from the back entrance of Cascadas. Tiny girl, under 5' and 100 lb with dark skin. Bum is flat and tits are small. Anyways she is clock watcher and no pussy play allowed. You would think that she would be more friendly to me if she wanted more business from me, she is very observant, staring at me every time I exited the back of Cascadas or bringing back chicas 10 times per day, yet after 5 outings with her over a period of 2 years, at the 10 minute mark she would say "you better hurry up, your time is almost up". She appears to work morning and afternoon, I see her standing there when I have breakfast and lunch at Azul.

    Anna from Veracruz standing in front of Azul. Tiny tits, short, skinny, thick Bush and works until 3.

    Eileen from Pueba standing in front of Azul with med breast, 5'5" average frame, light Bush and wanted the porn channel on. She works from 1 to 10. I did her at 1:40 and 9:15 because she was cute and I believe she was new to the business and wanting to learn how to provide great sex.

    Samantha standing in front of Ibiza works from 9 to 9. She wears glasses and a bright red short skirt and has that sexy naughty librarian look. Medium build, large tits, beautiful, 5'5" and smooth unblemished skin. No kisses on body or nipple and no pussy play. Kept her high heels on even during doggie and mish. She would not leave for hotel Cascadas. The rooms are nice at Ibiza. So my question is, if I had rented a room at Ibiza for the night, would I still have the pay the 80 peso for the short time room? I did her at 3:20 and at 6:40 pm the same day because she was beautiful and had a smoking hot body.

    Yosselin standing across the street and 5 paces west of Wendy. About 5' tall, only had a left boob job because the right book had an inverted nipple and was smaller and not stiff. Medium Bush, under 23 years old, tight, and leg blocked every attempts for deeper penetration.

  4. #5248
    Quote Originally Posted by Dswerve  [View Original Post]
    Being new to picking up street girls, what's the average price so I don't overpay? For the girl and hotel in US dollars?
    If you're paying street girls in US dollars, you're likely overpaying already.

  5. #5247

    Mistake

    Quote Originally Posted by Dswerve  [View Original Post]
    Being new to picking up street girls, what's the average price so I don't overpay? For the girl and hotel in US dollars?
    Your 1st mistake.

    Using USA Dollars. This discussion has plenty of examples and testimonials on why you shouldn't use USA Dollars abroad.

  6. #5246
    Quote Originally Posted by Dswerve  [View Original Post]
    Being new to picking up street girls, what's the average price so I don't overpay? For the girl and hotel in US dollars?
    YMMV by SG. But in my experience, $30 for chica and $5 for room will get you pretty much all you want. I had one chica tell me that $30 covers only 2 positions. (Told her OK. You do the work, CG and RCG haha). I've been quoted as high as $40. I once paid $35 for a 9 in my book. I hear many can get down to $20. My experience, either you tell them your price or ask theirs. But literally walk away from their first offer, unless she is a 9-10 that you just can't miss. With SGs, volume is in your favor. HK, slightly different equation, in my opinion.

  7. #5245
    Quote Originally Posted by Ump1969  [View Original Post]
    I personally am on the side that believes that some mongers ruin the market by overpaying. I guess the key issue here is whether or not a monger really gets better service by paying more.
    I have already commented on this so forgive me for beating a dead horse. But your comment, along with Niguno's comment speak to me. This is about supply and demand. The reason Tijuana is so inexpensive is because of supply. When you compare it to the US, the root cause is legality. There is no supply shortage in Tijuana and barring major social changes, there never will be. There is a point where the savings do not offset the hassle of travel, border crossing, etc. You also have several types of mongers. The frequent locals (who will be the first to be upset with increases), the occasional visitor, and then the guy who plans an annual trip (who is probably most willing to overspend given the investment).

    I am not local but I do my part in not overpaying, be it with a SG, escort or BG. I've also taken several lessons in the "better service" argument. Bottom line, you said it, when they leave my room, I am forgotten. Yes, they'll be more likely to look for me next time. But the extra $50 I threw her way this time will now be an expectation of me next time. And two visits in, my $100 did not dramatically change this girl's life. I completely admire the perspective that the chicas have rough lives. But I think there's also a lot of self-guilt in that equation too. Bottom line, if it gets to the point where I am expected to overpay, that sounds too much like a GFE.

  8. #5244
    Being new to picking up street girls, what's the average price so I don't overpay? For the girl and hotel in US dollars?

  9. #5243

    Does it work

    The issue of overpaying is an old, old debate that takes place constantly both here and in the USA forums. I personally am on the side that believes that some mongers ruin the market by overpaying. I guess the key issue here is whether or not a monger really gets better service by paying more. I noticed one commenter here pointed out how fast a girl disappears as soon as a guy can no longer afford to overpay. In other words, don't look for gratitude from the girls. So let's see, the girl was going to have sex with you anyway, but you feel compelled to pay more than the going rate. Why? Are you going to get better sex? Will she fall in love with you? Will she give you a discount the next time around? Yes, she may keep her eyes open for you because she can squeeze more out of you than other guys. She is still going to other guys and probably for less than you are paying. Now, maybe you're one of those rich guys that just likes to flaunt cah or show the girls what a good guy you are. What are you doing picking up street girls in the first place? Get a real pro and a good hotel. Leave the street girls for the rest of us poor guys with less cash. I'm not saying be chintzy or cheat the girls. I'm just saying why push up the market and drive guys out of it? Many years ago when I got into the hobby, good sex in an AMP might cost $120. Now between door fees and "extras" it can cost $250 or more for a crummy rub and 3 minutes of sex. Why? Because guys were paying. I haven't gone into an AMP in years. I can get good massage in any suburban mall for $25 and if I'm going to pay several hundred for sex, I'll find a decent looking provider, not a bony or overweight Asian girl with np personality. It sounds like I'm off on a tangent, but my point is why pay more than necessary? It just drives up the market and the Tijuana lasses are not going to love you for it.

  10. #5242

    Renter's Market. Abundance of Chicas. Oversupply

    Yesterday I was stunned to see not only the number of SGs (standing near hotels they use, not street walkers) in the alley.

    Both sides but mostly the South near the East end Constitucion corner as well as E. Of Eduardo hotel.

    Not only that, a much higher percentage were bar quality flacas (thin) many 8's dressed to the 9's even a couple of 9's at least on my scale.

    All out for business. Seems many guys have been slacking off or have become intimidated by the huge oversupply in the DAYTIME at around 3 - 4 pm. A couple of the best lookers told me they start at 10 AM and leave by 6 PM.

  11. #5241

    Overreactions.

    Quote Originally Posted by SubCmdr  [View Original Post]
    How many of us have been sitting around with some acquaintances and have had the following conversation:

    One guy says: Last night I went out to this restaurant and had a nice dinner. But when the bill came it was (Amount X) but I actually paid (Amount X+).

    Second guy says: Shit! You dumbass motherfucker. I can't believe you did that. I like that restaurant too. Your generosity is going to ruin it for me and everyone else who likes to go to that restaurant. The last thing I need is for the waitresses to all start expecting (Amount X+) for a basic dinner. I just don't understand you.

    Third guy says: Damn it man! For what you paid I could have ordered the who damn menu and sat in there and ate all day. Hell what I pay for a basic meal is more than enough and when the bill comes I pay what I owe. But I give much less (enter small number here).

    Final guys wraps up with this: Hey, the guys that tip too much are being laughed at by the waitresses. Trust me on this one because I have inside knowledge having gotten to know a few of them off the clock. And now we get to have a big laugh too. He hasn't really been going to restaurants for very long. He's new. He'll learn. The fast learners learn quicker.
    Thanks for the kind words man. Yeah, it's weird to me that I got some fuss for this. I consider myself a veteran in the mongering arena and I've been coming mainly to Tijuana for 12+ years. Been to other parts of Mex and central / south America. The girls are definitely glad for the extra money. I know in my case, I've had many girls who were happy to repeat with me, not only for good company, but for paying them well. It has worked out well for me.

  12. #5240
    Quote Originally Posted by MSClive  [View Original Post]
    Now that the discussion of overpaying / underpaying chicas has ended successfully with few casualties, let me add a field report.

    Sunday night (labor day weekend) was the strangest night I have seen in Tijuana in 5 years. I have heard that Zona Norte can be very crime infested, but this day I saw it first hand. Not all that bad but I saw the details.

    First let me report that there was an incident of an American looking Hispanic guy who was standing in the alleys outside HK back entrance. His ear was slashed and bleeding bad. HK staff had tried to help him by giving him a proper bathing tower, but half the towel was soaked red. I did not stick around to ask him details, because cops showed up and did not allow people to walk up to him. Seems he may have been engaged in some altercation or more likely some ratero may have tried to rob him. But all this being right close to the alley is scary. Because many of us are hanging out in this area..
    I knew of several guys many years ago that were caught by Tijuana Policia with marajuana in their possession. Back then the laws in Tijuana about pot possession were fairly harsh. Each of these guys worked out bribes (one was a fairly large three-digit bribe as I recall). After they worked out payment with the Policia they were handed back their MaryJane. When I first was told these stories (a little more than a decade ago) I was amazed. I thought it was strange that in both these events they were given their pot back. That would never have happened back in the United States in similar situations at that time. But I was told this was not unusual for Tijuana. I spoke about this story with lots of seasoned vets back then. They all told me the same thing. In Tijuana you get your marijuana back after paying the bribe-that's typical for Tijuana.

    I still found that hard to believe, even with everyone telling me this is how it works in Tijuana. Overtime I thought about it a lot. It began to make sense. When a Tijuana cop accepts a bribe, his immediate next action is to pretend a crime never happened. He conspires with the person giving the bribe. If there's a bag of pot around. ,. after receiving the bribe, the officer will simply want to make the bag of contraband disappear. So better to give the pot back to the tourist than keep it in the cop's pocket. I know this sounds a little crazy from our United States perspectives, but that's just how this type of thing goes down in Tijuana.

    Within the last couple of years possession of small amounts of pot and other illegal drugs have been decriminalized for Mexican residents. Instead of punishing locals for possession, the are instead often sent into rehab programs and not jail. The loosening of the drug laws are for Mexican residents, I don't think the law changed for tourists. But one of the effects of the law change has resulted in Tijuana Policia becoming easy on tourists as well.

    It is hard to predict how this situation would have turned out if you had not gotten involved. But it is possible, in this current LE climate in Tijuana, that your student amigo might have gotten off without even paying a mordida. His actions clearly represented more of an understanding of current police practices than you are giving him credit for.

  13. #5239
    Now that the discussion of overpaying / underpaying chicas has ended successfully with few casualties, let me add a field report.

    Sunday night (labor day weekend) was the strangest night I have seen in Tijuana in 5 years. I have heard that Zona Norte can be very crime infested, but this day I saw it first hand. Not all that bad but I saw the details.

    First let me report that there was an incident of an American looking Hispanic guy who was standing in the alleys outside HK back entrance. His ear was slashed and bleeding bad. HK staff had tried to help him by giving him a proper bathing tower, but half the towel was soaked red. I did not stick around to ask him details, because cops showed up and did not allow people to walk up to him. Seems he may have been engaged in some altercation or more likely some ratero may have tried to rob him. But all this being right close to the alley is scary. Because many of us are hanging out in this area.

    After that I met this hapless young student guy from the USA who had been to Tijuana before but was not that well oriented. So I walked him around the block as he asked to look at some Street girls. While we were out on the stroll he popped his head into a few bars along the way. Adelita, Chicago, Playboy, etc. When he was entering Malquerida, the security frisked him and confiscated a small bag of marijuana that he was apparently carrying. So stupid of him to be carrying that around, rather than stashing it in his hotel room.

    I found it interesting that the security guy did not say much, but encouraged us to enter the club. We did but as soon as the security guy said we should be OK, I had this sudden urgent feeling of making ourselves scarce. I mean weed is illegal in Mexico, and I wondered why this security guy was suddenly being so charitable. We found find out within a minute. So we retraced our steps to the front door to exit the club. I told my stranger / acquaintance that we need to leave immediately. But this student guy decided that he had to get his bag of weed back from the security guy, who was nowhere to be found. Just then we saw the security guy walking back towards Malquerida with a police officer. I told the student guy that we need to walk away now. But he insisted he would stay. So I told him that I would leave if he did not come with me. So I walked a bit of a distance away. Maybe 10 feet and watched them.

    Clearly the security guy (the English speaker, who was acting as the good cop) and the actual police officer (the bad guy. The hammer) were scaring this guy rough. They gave him 2 options. Either pay a hefty fine or go to court and do jailtime in Mexico. They asked him what his preference was. This fool asked them how long the sentence was. To which the security guard replied 'at least 6 months'. The student replied promptly without hesitation 'then I will go to jail'. The security guy was getting mad. The student was not getting the message that this was merely a shakedown. So against better judgement I offered my help. I tried to calm the situation and I told the security guy "he is a very simple guy. Let's be reasonable. We can come to an agreement" etc. Etc. This pleased the security guard very much. The policeman got very aggressive with me and started asking me questions in Spanish. Security guy calmed him down and after a lot of back and forth we negotiated a sum of $20. In my opinion this was a good outcome for all involved. The amount was paid via a third party and we started walking away. All good.

    But then this student said he will go back and get his weed. What a loser. He did go back and ask the cop for his bag. The cop gave it back to him, but shouted at him immediately after and asked him to go F his mother etc. The student just put the cop's job in jeopardy in public. I mean why else would the cops involve a third party for the payment? This guy clearly could not see beyond his bag of weed.

    After this was all done, I told him to go and keep the bag immediately in his hotel room in a safe pace. Just as I finished my sentence, this student decided to pop into one or two other bars. With the bag of weed that had just been confiscated in Malquerida. This time he did not even put the bag into his pocket, but was carrying it in the palm of his hand. I shouted at him "Stop, what are you doing? But he would not listen and went into a bar. I just kept walking and deserted him. He clearly did not learn any lessons that night.

    Sorry man. If you are reading this (to the student). But it is the truth. At least from my point of view.

  14. #5238
    Quote Originally Posted by Dcrist0527  [View Original Post]
    In a word, yes! The restaurant analogy is flawed for many reasons. Waitresses do not set prices. Chicas do. Tips to waitresses and tips to chicas are two very different issues. So yes, I strongly believe that overpaying changes the prices in the future.

    Also, the Kia / BMW analogy speaks volumes! But I dare see, BMW owners don't own BMWs by paying double on their expenses.

    I'm done with this discussion. I too respect xtrenton for the report and the honesty. What we pay is what we pay. Xtrenton paid what he did because he felt for the chicas situation. I completly understand that sentiment but I think, and as others have relayed there is an impact.

    Signed, an apparent Kia driver.
    Philosophically speaking, when one of us gives a chica a huge tip, he is ruining the chica's mindset. Why, because while the chica may feel elated upon receiving that one huge tip, she is forever going to be disappointed by every other future, lesser-value tip. There used to be a time when paying (just) the agreed upon amount to a chica made her feel happy; now, it is almost considered in bad taste to do so.

    Also, speaking from personal experience, the rich guys giving huge tips are ruining it for the rest of us average guys. If us average guys had unlimited amount of money to throw around on huge tips, we would be living a different lifestyle.

    Finally, to the bro who mentioned that it is a tough job / situation for the chicas, it is a tough situation all-around; something to think about.

  15. #5237
    Quote Originally Posted by SubCmdr  [View Original Post]
    It was clear to me that the price offered to him was 25 USD. Which he paid but chose to give a 15 - 25 USD tip. Making reference to the conversation above: Does anyone actually think that when waitresses receive tips above and beyond the norm that it will become standard for all clients in the future?
    In a word, yes! The restaurant analogy is flawed for many reasons. Waitresses do not set prices. Chicas do. Tips to waitresses and tips to chicas are two very different issues. So yes, I strongly believe that overpaying changes the prices in the future.

    Also, the Kia / BMW analogy speaks volumes! But I dare see, BMW owners don't own BMWs by paying double on their expenses.

    I'm done with this discussion. I too respect xtrenton for the report and the honesty. What we pay is what we pay. Xtrenton paid what he did because he felt for the chicas situation. I completly understand that sentiment but I think, and as others have relayed there is an impact.

    Signed, an apparent Kia driver.

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