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  1. #29786
    Quote Originally Posted by OldKool  [View Original Post]
    I was just talking to a friend who is in Rio. He is havinga good tie but says it is only half of what it use to be. The Vets say the same thing about Sosua. Makes me wonder why our yesterdays are more then our todays.
    Just a sign of age!

    I grew up listening to the old folks talk about the good old days. But they went through a lot of wars and depravations. For me, the good old days are always last week!

  2. #29785
    Quote Originally Posted by OldKool  [View Original Post]
    I was just talking to a friend who is in Rio. He is havinga good tie but says it is only half of what it use to be. The Vets say the same thing about Sosua. Makes me wonder why our yesterdays are more then our todays.
    Just a sign of age!

    I grew up listening to the old folks talk about the good old days. For me, the good old days are always last week!

  3. #29784
    Quote Originally Posted by OldKool  [View Original Post]
    I was just talking to a friend who is in Rio. He is having a good tie but says it is only half of what it use to be. The Vets say the same thing about Sosua. Makes me wonder why our yesterdays are more then our todays.
    I was in Jamaica and Bombay in the 70's, PI and Korea in the 80's, Cuba, Hungry, Romania and Thailand in the early 90's. Many other destinations since and I understand what they're saying. Its not just historical romanticism. Its allot like what Vegas has morphed into through the 70's, 80's, 90's... 2018, etc. Its turning into Disney-like Tourism. Its not clever or clandestine, out of the way or away from other tourists anymore. Its not for the discrete. Its mindless!

  4. #29783

    Always less

    I was just talking to a friend who is in Rio. He is havinga good tie but says it is only half of what it use to be. The Vets say the same thing about Sosua. Makes me wonder why our yesterdays are more then our todays.

  5. #29782
    Quote Originally Posted by CharlesPooter  [View Original Post]
    Time to waste is something of which most Dominicans have an infinite amount, hence the obsession with smartphones and the low national productivity resulting in widespread poverty. I have sometimes seen them haggling but I agree it is not the norm. However your post is misconceived as Tempoecorte is a tourist.

    You seem to have been brainwashed. Yes, there is a lot of community support, but there is also a lot of knifing each other in the back (sometimes literally) over petty amounts or jealousies. No different than most countries, I agree, but not better than most.
    Brainwashed? Lol!

    After 9 years, I can assure you I did not come here to live the rest of my life with Domincans because I am brainwashed!

    Your experiences and mine, respectfully, are obviously different!

    I quote my married buddy who loves to come to Sosua.

    "Never have I seen people with so little, been willing to give so much"

    As usual, YMMV!

    Peace!

  6. #29781
    Quote Originally Posted by CharlesPooter  [View Original Post]
    Tempoecorto's haggling skills were honed as a child in the barrios of Mumbai. No Dominican will ever get the better of him.
    Calcutta, dear Pooter! I would not have it any other way! Well known for its slums and of course Mother Teresa (who was soundly and rightly castigated by my admired and your fellow countryman Chris Hitchens. A very high caliber intellect) but also was the Capital of British Raj in India, until 1930 or so.

    BTW, speaking of my haggling "skills", a 19 year old on Tinder, was okay coming to see me today from Pto Plata for 1200 pesos. She started at 2500 but I reminded her that I was not a rich gringo, and she quickly acquiesced! LOL.

  7. #29780
    Quote Originally Posted by Tempoecorto  [View Original Post]
    It was not to knock down anyone but it was hard to hide my snugger .....
    Haha. Political correctness at its zenith, so much so the US had to create a new word. Snicker. Rather than keeping the British and original version!

  8. #29779
    Quote Originally Posted by Frannie  [View Original Post]
    Yes, but the first price asked was 35 pesos per mango, our man offered 30 pesos per mango, and the vendor countered with an offer of 25 pesos per mango. Would that be done in other countries? Not in the US, I think.
    There is a asking price which leads to negotiations. Seller felt buyer is not going to buy at 35 pesos and he sweetened the deal. Mangoes are perishable. So seller needs to get rid of them as early as possible.

    Well, to tell you the truth this happens in USA also with street vendors. They will sweeten the deal all the time if they felt buyer is not paying the asking price.

  9. #29778
    Quote Originally Posted by Oakie  [View Original Post]
    I defer to your experience, Sir Charles, but I've been hanging with locals too, for 9 years on and off, and I don't see them wasting time haggling with each other, only tourists. They seem to have a built in knowledge as to what things cost on the street, and always seem to get good value for their money!
    Time to waste is something of which most Dominicans have an infinite amount, hence the obsession with smartphones and the low national productivity resulting in widespread poverty. I have sometimes seen them haggling but I agree it is not the norm. However your post is misconceived as Tempoecorte is a tourist.

    Quote Originally Posted by Oakie  [View Original Post]
    There's a lot of mutual community support for each other and it works!
    You seem to have been brainwashed. Yes, there is a lot of community support, but there is also a lot of knifing each other in the back (sometimes literally) over petty amounts or jealousies. No different than most countries, I agree, but not better than most.

  10. #29777
    Quote Originally Posted by CharlesPooter  [View Original Post]
    Tempoecorto's haggling skills were honed as a child in the barrios of Mumbai. No Dominican will ever get the better of him.
    I defer to your experience, Sir Charles, but I've been hanging with locals too, for 9 years on and off, and I don't see them wasting time haggling with each other, only tourists. They seem to have a built in knowlege as to what things cost on the street, and always seem to get good value for their money!

    There's a lot of mutual community support for each other and it works!

    Win win is good!

  11. #29776
    Quote Originally Posted by Oakie  [View Original Post]
    If Tempecorto's offer was legit ...
    Tempoecorto's haggling skills were honed as a child in the barrios of Mumbai. No Dominican will ever get the better of him.

  12. #29775
    Quote Originally Posted by Frannie  [View Original Post]
    Yes, but the first price asked was 35 pesos per mango, our man offered 30 pesos per mango, and the vendor countered with an offer of 25 pesos per mango.
    Hey Frannie,

    Long time! I hope you all are doing well.

    It was not to knock down anyone but it was hard to hide my snugger when I heard his counter offer. Math skills these days of Social Media, is an anachronism, apparently anywhere! LOL!

  13. #29774
    Quote Originally Posted by Frannie  [View Original Post]
    Yes, but the first price asked was 35 pesos per mango, our man offered 30 pesos per mango, and the vendor countered with an offer of 25 pesos per mango. Would that be done in other countries? Not in the US, I think.
    If Tempecortos offer was legit, the vedor would go away with an asured 100 pesos rather than 35. He's happy! He might never have sold the other three!

    Tempo gets his offer accepted and goes away happy with 4 30 peso mangos.

    The cultural bias that someone must win, and someone must lose in a negotiation does not apply in the DR, and confuses at lot of newbies!

    I just spent a few days at a campo up in the hills, when I packed I found all my clothes had been washed and my shoes cleaned. A huge bag of freshly picked garden produce to bring home to share with friends!

    Sorta offset the beer bill I happily paid!

  14. #29773
    Quote Originally Posted by CharlesPooter  [View Original Post]
    If you are asking me, I would reply it is both.

    I have heard of a few similar cases. I guess it depends on how good her lawyer is (including knowing whom to bribe or from whom to call in favors), how bad his lawyer is, and, in particular, what promises and commitments he made her in the emails offered as evidence.

    Obviously the law is rarely applied, otherwise there would be dozens of cases every month, although there may be a few more than we hear about as the parties may wish to keep it quiet to protect their reputations in different ways.

    It is very hard to make statements about Dominican law. There have been so many regimes adding new laws, but they rarely delete old laws, so it is one confusing palimpsest from which anyone can pick laws or rulings to suit there own case, if their pockets are deep enough.

    If the "friend" threw her out only or mainly because she was fucking other guys he is an idiot. What else did he expect?

    Shacking up with locals is usually disastrous. That is why I recommend haitianas. They are no less grasping, and indeed may be even more desperate for money, but they are less likely to know Dominican law and less able to use it to their own advantage. They usually try to steer clear of any sort of officialdom. Most of them are illegal immigrants anyway or have precarious status. Obviously there are exceptions to this if they or their families have been here some time.
    I think I know this lady. Is she Estormi Daniles?

  15. #29772
    Quote Originally Posted by Sammon  [View Original Post]
    It has nothing to do with the Math skills. It is a discount for buying 4. This is normally done in other countries.
    Yes, but the first price asked was 35 pesos per mango, our man offered 30 pesos per mango, and the vendor countered with an offer of 25 pesos per mango. Would that be done in other countries? Not in the US, I think.

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