Blue Pill or Red Pill
The fact the Dominican Republic is a poor country does make a difference. But it's also the laws and the culture. That's what makes it a different matrix. That is what we come here to discuss. Clown me all you want about my apartment, truck, bad Spanish and methods of operations. But I simply couldn't live in my country of origin the way I do in Republica Dominicana.
The advantage I see moving my pussy procurement operation offshore deals mostly with quality, attitude and cost of the providers available to fill the positions on my roster. I'm not going to get into labels. Everyone has their personal preferences.
I like the Matrix analogy. It fits perfectly. But what it seems to overlook how your life changes when you take the red pill. Existence of the matrix is not the problem. It's failing to take full advantage of the knowledge revealed after taking the "red pill".
We all have to operate within the matrix. But when we have "red pill" knowledge of the matrix we can operate within it with an advantage. I have watched as others escape but find the new reality too hard and instead burro into new matrix they find themselves in.
This is an example of how you operate within the matrix when you have "red pill" knowledge. Mr. Camaro is plugging in and finding the exits. Is using his "red pill" knowledge for his own personal enjoyment and satisfaction. If labels are not important then how is a direct pay for play transaction anymore honest than any other type of arrangement? Operating in the matrix to my advantage is my goal. To get what I want out of life at this point. Because if it was simply about paying for sex, I'm certain we can all do that in our country of origin.
I noticed that when I returned to my county of origin I had zero success with women. The only one I had a decent conversation with happened to be a Latina. I don't fault the women in this case. I fault myself. Pure lack of game. Because, I won't put with the attitude that was given to me even by women who I was willing to pay.
If costs are a concern here is where my cost per orgasm (CPO) formula can be used. The number can be measured in any type of relationship. I keep a spreadsheet on all my girls. And I enter the amounts I spend on them each month and the number of orgasms I received. And it automatically calculates my CPO for each girl. That is my way of applying chess like logic to my matrix operations. Then I don't have to worry about the type of relationship or have a need to place a label on a woman. When it comes to emotional costs, I have not developed a cold hard calculation for that. But I have found that usually when the CPO starts creeping up so does the emotional costs.
My recommendations are simply:
1. Don't give up your ability to plug and un plug from the matrix.
2. Keep tabs on your CPO.
3. Don't let the girls upset your domestic tranquility.
Everything else is pretty much personal preference. When I need an exit the airlines have it for me. The matrix seems to survive just fine. And when I go back in it looks the same way as when I left. And when the agents come for you, turn and face them. Fight and win!
Also spent a week at the JW Marriott. Great hotel! Guest friendly. No requirement to check in at the desk. You will need to collect your guest (if you don't arrive together) at the ground floor or lobby floor (4th) since the guest room floors are secure. But that is it. So if you want a great hotel and amenities, this is the place. Executive lounge is top notch. Even on the weekends.
BTW. Ask for Danny at the taxi queue out front if you want someone to show you around. He knows the game and speaks great English. The doorman will know him.
Exactly! I made that adjustment a while back when I was living in the states and coming to the DR on vacation. Months in advance communicating made no sense. Only the guy in town is getting the goods, not the guy at home involved in a bullshit exchange with women.
You want to know something? Just about everything you described resembles what many of us men have dealt with in the Matrix. I'm talking about relationships, marriages and friends with benefits. Men have had relationships and married women from their respective countries that were " just interested in you for what they can get from you to meet their needs. ". And guess what as well? Those same women were "often capable of being very sexually responsive to men in whom they have no particular emotional interest, which is what you want".
Those parts that you wrote are even true for men in the matrix, Having relationships, getting married, having children, buying property, living together for years and years until all of a sudden you find out that individual really never cared for you the way you thought. The women gave us what we wanted. Sexual responsiveness, without any particular emotional interest invested.
I'm glad you brought this up, and I appreciate your analogy / example. IMO, I have always thought the definition of Pro and semi pro should be defined to include an individual who is selling a commodity (in this case, sexual favors, and their company) in exchange for resources and financial gain. Instead of pro and semi pro seeming to mean, only the frequency of sex in relation to the amount of clients one has.
The key is, the pro part kicks in to identify the level of skill involved in pulling off the deception that one is interested in another on a personnal, getting to know you level. When nothing could be further from the truth. Its a professional charade. With more emotion being given to the female by a male that starts to feel compassion for the female based on her passive feminine behavior and circumstance. Its deep.
My thoughts on the matter, is that men should try to strive to distance themselves from every form of behavior they can they manifested in the Matrix, and not try to create a new Matrix but now in a foreighn country. In other words, they are all pros on some level. Expert or semi expert on making the right impression to get a guy to open himself up, and give. And like they are accustomed, receive less in return for their efforts. How convenient it is to do when you are dealing with folks poorer than you.
Thing is, the people we are dealing with aint stupid. They know the position they are in puts them in a power passive position. In enough cases, they don't even have to ask for anything. They'll get it just by revealing their life to us.
Oh she's a good girl. She's going to school. She's got a job, blah blah blah. Meanwhile, you know anybody in any of the Matrixs we are involved in that know women that would go out of their way to give us any substantive and commensurate return on our investment in them? Usually that's a HELL NAW. Of course there are exceptions.
My thing is, guys travel abroad to be free of one Matrix only to end up creating another for themselves. I think it's best to stick to simple pay for play. Rent and pay only for the services you want. And don't try to wife it, possess it, or buy it. Keep your emotions in check. How many of us, can feel that bleeding heart kick in where you have a strong urge to go above and beyond for a woman? You aint even doing it for her, you are doing for yourself because it makes you feel good. But is feeling good justification for giving to someone who has not earned the offering? Often there is some backlash from giving indiscriminately.
But later when don't get the satisfaction we had hoped, we complain about them being unappreciative, but not our weakness for giving undeservingly. I'm thinking about guys who have rented property for women so they could open a salon, bought cars, secured apartments and houses, bought furniture, bought gifts and all kinds of stuff. Spending money, investing in time, traveling all over the place, to find something better. It aint necessarily about trying to get better pussy. Its like finding ourselves doing stuff to sort of makeup for or compensate for our dissapointment or disgust with women back home. Like that movie Total Recall, maybe we need the correct program installed, so that we plan our lives and trips for our sole benefit, and leave the destructive matrix behavior out of it. Ya know, if we didn't have a sex drive, can you imagine how much different a man would be with his time and money? Or how about managing the sex drive, like a chess match. Only allowing the opponent to win sometimes, not all the time.
I probably have more to add, but got to hit the road.
You are a too brave hombre. Ain't no way in the world would I drive to some strange girls neighborhood at night. Your angels are putting in overtime keeping you safe. Not to mention the jealous Dominican dude who wishes some gringo would bring his ass to the barrio to see his girl.
It is for this exact reason that you want to meet someone online no more than 2 weeks before your trip. Shit has run its course by then and cools off then you lose touch. I got lucky a couple weeks ago when a chick that I had talked to months ago just happened to hit me up out of the blue while I was in Santo Domingo. I had never met her, but soon as the storm hit I was on my way driving to her house to stay for the night.
Boca Chica has a cabana.
The reason girls want to meet you at the airport is to keep you away from other girls and control your time and your money. If that is what you want, agree to have them wait for you at the airport.
I agree this is at least partly because they are just interested in you for what they can get from you to meet their needs. It is also a sign of lower intelligence and poor educational attainment, in that they have little sense of or knowledge of the world outside of their experience, and little curiosity either. (So don't take it personally.) For example I have met chicas who ask questions like "do they speak Spanish in Jamaica" or "is Jamaica close to California? Or "what language do they speak in England? Or "Is England in Europe?" They really know very, very little about anything outside of their direct experience.
A lot of the time it is like having a conversation with a waitress in a restaurant in the US. They don't REALLY want to know if the food is OK, they just want to create the impression of being incredibly concerned that you enjoy your lunch in the hope of getting a better than average tip from you. And it works. Just the other day I was in a "country-style" restaurant in Florida where the food is cheap, but mostly horrible (= I could cook better myself). I ordered a lunch from the menu, although there was nothing that appealed to me. I pointed out to the waitress that the menu said "buttered carrots", but I could not detect any signs of any butter on the carrots. She came back a minute later and told me they were "very lightly buttered". I had a few more mouthfuls, then pushed the plate away, as the whole meal was pretty horrible. I was not asking for any refund, but the waitress came and took my plate away to the kitchen and got the price of my meal refunded (the person I was with was still eating.) I didn't think there was anything wrong with the meal, it just was what it was, but after the waitress had gotten me a refund without asking, the least I could do was give her a decent tip. It wasn't that she was being nice, or concerned about the quality of the food, she just wanted to earn her tip.
The upside of this is that they are often capable of being very sexually responsive to men in whom they have no particular emotional interest, which is what you want.
Some feedback Please!
My understanding from your post is that you have had good conversations with quite a few of your DR contacts, and have had similar from women in Brasil. What makes the conversations with these women good? How much of their conversation communication involves them asking details about you, in an effort to really get to know you? Without you volunteering information about yourself.
I don't mean, them asking things like, are you or were you married, or do you have children? Those questions are expected. I mean things like them asking you where you grew up, your family life growing up, where you went to school and what you studied? Where do you live, do you intend to live here? Them asking you about your work, lexactly what you do, and how long you been doing it? Them asking why you chose to come to the DR / Brasil, and what are you looking for from women online?
The foundation for my inquiries, is because my experience with communication on dating websites, most of the women communicated well, but they mainly focused on themselves. They especially responded well to me probing and expressing interest in everything that was about them. When it came to them getting to know me though, their efforts were very shallow and limited. In enough instances, non existent.
It seemed, as long as they were the main focus in the conversation they were comfortable sharing. After all of the initial conversations, all that followed were reduced to greetings in the morning, how is your day in the afternoon, them telling me what they are doing at night, maybe asking me what I was doing, and eventually us saying good night. And that same pattern would just repeat daily. In the long run, these women really werent interested in me, or really needed to know me. And frankly it was mutual.
Other than that, it really seemed like the whole getting to know you phase was just a charade. I knew my ultimate goal was just to get laid. I seldom concerned myself over what their motivation was for getting with me. I kinda assumed it was ultimately for some sort of support or compensation. An eyeopener, was that most of them were usually more than 15 and up to 20 yrs younger than me.
On another note. I never got deep into labeling women as pro, semi-pro or non pro. For me, it didn't make any difference. Most have shown me, what they are about interacting with me. I'm just one of many before and after in a chain. I knew that in most cases, the woman I've targeted, with no job, low paying job, very little education, a career student that never finishes, were likely online to meet men to bolster their lives to a certain degree. Not necessarily looking for a serious relationship. Relationship meant, a man taking care of their needs. And their pussy and presence was their currency.
Further, I've stopped long ago being impressed by women who refuse a monetary offer, initially after weve finally met. I know deep down many want that money. In fact, they may even feel they have earned it being with a guy. The refusal doesn't garner them any points from me, nor do I think our arrangement is anything less than a soft version of pay for play. Thats why I think "regular" pay for play arrangements seem more honest. Plus you generally know the costs of that arrangement up front.
The expenses of dealing with so-called non pros, semi pros can end up being more expensive, or have costs way above and beyond ones expectations. Often leading up to supporting or spending money on her family, or ongoing payments even when you are not there with her. My question is, how long can or will a guy sustain that type of arrangement? Just to say he's dealing with a non, semi pro? What is he really getting in return?
The more a female can convince a guy she is his GF the more obligated he may feel to meet her expectations, but not necessarily his. Enough guys tend to convince themselves, that it's all good, because they are living on the premise that she is a non or semi pro, which is supposed to mean he's dealing with a female on some elevated level. Like the guy has something special. Maybe it is, at least for some. Your thoughts?
I had to vette you as a newbie to the DR, but you appear seasoned with solid game. There is a bus from Punta Cana that goes strait to the capital with stops in la Romana, Boca chica and then SD. It's very comfortable (Aparta) and very cheap. These are the big buses. The smaller ones also do the same. Depending on how much luggage you have and the trust factor with the girl that's meeting you, she should be able to show you how to do this. You must really be a smooth dude if she is coming for you and hasn't requested money up front to come to Punta Cana. Be prepared for some drama when you try to move on from her. A driver or taxi from Punta Cana to SD will be expensive 125 usd to 175 usd each way.
Boca chica doesn't have any cabanas only two quick fuck hotels. There are hotels everywhere in boca chica so don't worry about accommodations there.
The non-pro game can be rewarding only if you are immune to their theatrics. Expect half to not fuck on the first date, or to bring a relative as a buffer. You will have wasted dinner checks and bar bills only to show for your efforts. Only when you get past these stages will the non-pro experience become rewarding but you may have wasted half your trip.
Here is my experience: the girls you meet on the Internet from Higuey, Hator Mayor, San Pedro and La Romana are best for GFE. They really have no life as there are no jobs and social spots so they stay home mostly. These girls live for an adventure with a generous gringo to break the same boring cycle they live. You are their knight in shinning armor. They fuck with meaning and have less game. The SD girls have a life with the big city keeping them going. They are more seasoned and gringo friendly but they also will get you. So why you are internet trolling pay attention to where they are from. Some things in the DR I always do solo like going to the bank or ATM, paying my bills, exchanging money on the street etc, but with this girl catching you straight off the plane she will also be in on everything you do to get situated. Heads up.
Its a good question actually.
I am actually experienced in Minas Gerais (Belo, Teofilo, Gov Valadares), Bahia, Fortaleza, Natal etc. Rrst of Brasil is great for non-pros.
I just started finding gorgeous girls from SD on the cupid. Mainly Latin and Carribean.
Been speaking daily with one from Macoris-poor, student, working. Not a semi or pro.
A Young one will come to Bavaro-as I land in Punta Cana from UK.
About 8 or 10 in SD I have been speaking to. None of these pro -normal ones except maybe one ID say is a semi -pro. The ones after paper got deleted.
One stunner in Santiago also working and studying law.
Level is on par with Brazil-no question.
Just a bit of a change wd be good after 18 trips to Brazil.
I do have some non-pros lined up in Rio and a couple of GFS and Bahia, Joinville, Curitiba and Fortaleza. But honestly about 5 of the Dominicans are seriously tempting.
Good convos. I think this trip will be mainly non-pro. Maybe a bit of mongering in PC when I land and in SD/BC a bit but I like the non-pro game in Brasil alot so wanna see what its like in DR as welll as a bit of pro action. In Rio I go where the locals go, cheap spots where I find diamonds.MIX it up.
I don't pay the gringo prices in the mouse traps.
I dig. But just crazy amount of hot girls in DR. Bodies. Faces. Maybe 2 weeks im thinking. PC 2 days, SD / BC and a bit of Rest maybe. Santiago, Sousa, Francisco.
I'm not sure what to expect. I have a few potential gfs lined up. 4/5. Lets see.
I have read with interest here.
Any restaurants or spots you guys love ill try.
Is it hard to find driver from PC to SD?
How much you think?
I'm not driving there but flyin to Punta Cana.
In Boca Chica are there any GF hotels at all or is it all about cabanas?
I think you might do alright dude, looking forward to your reports. The reason I preached Boca chica is because it's easy and has all the amenities (beach, clubs, bars and girls) within walking distance. SD can be like a cold girl until you get familiar with her, it takes time and connections.
Venezuela avenida is nice, the west end of the malecón for street walkers, GPB for no frill quickies, Ole, and the mall and subway for non pros. If you are adventurous, I like a few spots on España. Another reason I suggested Boca Chica is because it's the center point for girls you might meet on the Internet. San Pedro, La Romana, Andrés and SD girls won't mind taking a bus to meet you. Girls from San Pedro and La Romana won't be fond of taking a bus to meet a stranger without a deposit in SD. SD is more miss than hit as the girls tend to play more games if they don't know you.
I'm curious though, if you are seasoned in Brazil why downgrade to the DR? The girls in Brazil are hotter and fuck Better. I understand the distance can be a problem to Brazil and maybe you want something new, but I would probably just branch out in Brazil if I knew the language. Brazil has always been a top spot and you have the gifts.
Anyway please report back about your DR experience (Good or bad) , we will be here to help you.
Hahahah thank you sir.
Bored stiff? LOL hopefully just stiff. Some tasty girls in SD but yeah maybe more subdued sex than Rio but hey there def seem to be some freaky ones too.
Maybe I shouldn't go for that long! 2 weeks max see some places.Comin from UK.
I see how you roll in Rio so I know you will not have any problems in DR. If anything, you will be bored stiff; especially in Boca Chica. The clubs are on Av Venezuela in Santo Domingo.
Loool I hear you big man and no there won't be none of that triple budget spending. I already told them anyone askin for money gets deleted.
SD eats newbies but so does Rio and I'm still here. Yeah their hustle feels a little different but am looking forward to it.
I'm a good dream seller though and that has worked a treat in Brazil and seems to be so far here. Always get the bad apples too but I'm in music and I've had girls rap to me down the phone etc LOL.
I'm not goin there to be their next gringo ATM-they already know.
Appreciate the advice though.
Everyone of them wants to leave DR or find a better life, anyone good looking and good dude who can help them theyll be into.
I have no illusions about some of them.
Postin snaps wth new clothes all the time but don't really have a job. Yeah ok.
Some doing the university and studying and live home thing. Guess everyone can be up for some additional paper on the side.
Most I'm speaking to don't seem like semi pros. Pretty normal. Poor. Obviously the 19 year old w 2 kids by a 41 year old whos sweet but needs money wd fuck all day someone cool.
I've got alot lined up in Brazil again-non-pros. Its 50/50 right now. Brazil def for me feels easier. I know I've gotten alot of non-pro pussy and have girls waiting. DR is more of an uncertainty but you oG's have done well and we all get gringoed on oocasion-I did in RIo a few times but in general as Cartman and Patmar can testify to do very well.
No free lunches. LOL thanks. Any spots good to go out in SD? Non pro? Clubs? You guys are v helpful.