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  1. #985
    Quote Originally Posted by Member#2041  [View Original Post]
    I saw the recent developments. They don't alter the fact that Trump made a false accusation against Obama, and was called out as a liar because of it by James Comey before Congress. What the recent developments DO suggest is that a Republican in Congress (Nunes) violated his Constitutional oath in passing information to Trump which was shared in confidential briefings. The corruption is deep amongst Trump's campaign officials. Who include the aforementioned Congressman Nunes.

    Even Fox News acknowledges that if people in the Trump administration were overheard, it was because FOREIGN Agents were being lawfully surveiled, and the Trump people happened to have conversations with those foreign agents who were lawfully and appropriately being monitored. That is not in any way, shape, or form what Trump improperly called Obama out for doing, and which Comey made clear, was a false accusation made by Trump. Nothing in this new disclosure alters that fact - although it DOES impugn the credibility of Devin Nunes, and suggests that Nunes acted in violation of his oath of office.

    BTW, Fox News is not a reputable news outlet, so you need to come up with a more reliable citation from a less biased source in order to have it given any credence (and BTW, Breitbart doesn't qualify). That being said, they seem to have gotten the facts correct, and only their spin and emphasis wrong. In fact, this disclosure is even MORE damning to the Trump administration, because it shows that they were in fact in contact with foreign agents who were appropriately under U.S. Intelligence Surveillance at the time.
    Don't waste your time, Member #2041. Some people just believe what they want to believe.

  2. #984
    Quote Originally Posted by Coalburner69  [View Original Post]
    Recent developments regarding this broke today. Your news outlets (CNN, CNBC, ABC, NBC, etc) probably won't cover it, so check Fox news if you're interested.
    I saw the recent developments. They don't alter the fact that Trump made a false accusation against Obama, and was called out as a liar because of it by James Comey before Congress. What the recent developments DO suggest is that a Republican in Congress (Nunes) violated his Constitutional oath in passing information to Trump which was shared in confidential briefings. The corruption is deep amongst Trump's campaign officials. Who include the aforementioned Congressman Nunes.

    Even Fox News acknowledges that if people in the Trump administration were overheard, it was because FOREIGN Agents were being lawfully surveiled, and the Trump people happened to have conversations with those foreign agents who were lawfully and appropriately being monitored. That is not in any way, shape, or form what Trump improperly called Obama out for doing, and which Comey made clear, was a false accusation made by Trump. Nothing in this new disclosure alters that fact - although it DOES impugn the credibility of Devin Nunes, and suggests that Nunes acted in violation of his oath of office.

    BTW, Fox News is not a reputable news outlet, so you need to come up with a more reliable citation from a less biased source in order to have it given any credence (and BTW, Breitbart doesn't qualify). That being said, they seem to have gotten the facts correct, and only their spin and emphasis wrong. In fact, this disclosure is even MORE damning to the Trump administration, because it shows that they were in fact in contact with foreign agents who were appropriately under U.S. Intelligence Surveillance at the time.

  3. #983
    Quote Originally Posted by Member#2041  [View Original Post]
    Actually, the Director of the FBI, a Republican, BTW, and the person who actually has access to the evidence, flat out called Trump a liar before a Congressional hearing, with respect to both Obama's supposed bugging of Trump tower, and Trump's tweeted claim that the FBI has found nothing to link his campaign and the Russians attempt to hack the election.
    Recent developments regarding this broke today. Your news outlets (CNN, CNBC, ABC, NBC, etc) probably won't cover it, so check Fox news if you're interested.

  4. #982
    Quote Originally Posted by Coalburner69  [View Original Post]
    All speculation, no proof.
    Actually, the Director of the FBI, a Republican, BTW, and the person who actually has access to the evidence, flat out called Trump a liar before a Congressional hearing, with respect to both Obama's supposed bugging of Trump tower, and Trump's tweeted claim that the FBI has found nothing to link his campaign and the Russians attempt to hack the election.

  5. #981
    Quote Originally Posted by Coalburner69  [View Original Post]
    Don't waste anymore of your time and energy on them.
    Ya, you're right, Coalburner. Smoothy, 2041, et al you win! You couldn't win an election but you win the debate here in ISG because it makes no sense to continue. So I forfeit to your interminable stupidity and doomsday predictions. Congratulations. Now you can take your fists out of your asses and put the crystal ball in there where you will get better use out of it. I will enjoy seeing the continuous imploding of the democrapic party and all things Obama. GO TEAM TRUMP!

  6. #980
    Quote Originally Posted by EihTooms  [View Original Post]
    Uh, you mean his irrefutable "facts" like:

    "9) Disrespect for Cops.

    10) Failed economic stimulus plan.

    11) Constant disregard for the Constitution and tyrannical rule. "

    LOL.

    How about a near record 75 straight months of positive jobs creation vs a net LOSS of 600,000+ private sector jobs by the end of the previous guy's grueling 8 year long disastrously failed presidency? How about regularly seeing 200,000+ jobs created per month vs LOSING 800,000 jobs per month? How about an unemployment rate steadily declining to 5% and below instead of skyrocketing toward double digits? How about a total reversal of the stock market plunge into new highs, tripling the market as measured by the S&P 500 Index? How about my property values totally recovering from the Bush / GOP crash and climbing to new highs?

    All of which began to occur a couple of weeks after that supposed "10) Failed economic stimulus plan" was signed into legislation (with almost NO Repub votes, BTW) and put to work in the system. And those critical positive economic metrics never looked back or went into reverse direction ever since. Oh, and that was done at the end of February 2009. Please remind me again what Trump and his fellow Repubs in Congress have done to trigger ANYTHING as remarkably positive for the USA Economy now that they've had a month LONGER in control of the levers than Obama and the Dems had by February 2009.

    But I hear Trump's golf game is coming along better than ever!
    🤗129303; A nice fact-based refutation. Unfortunately, we've entered into an era of fact free debate, in which what one "feels," or "knows in his heart to be true," is equivalent to fact, science, or empirical proof. Arguments with people who buy into the Trump psychosis is futile. For whatever it's worth, I think the current president is--as concurred by two pretty prominent psychiatrists whose articles I've read recently--a malignant narcissist, who can no more help what he is than your average schizophrenic. It's the supporting cast of those empowering his delusions, who believe it's fine to substitute delusion for fact, who are even more contemptible than he is. The danger for the US of course is the line between fact and delusion is becoming ever more blurred for the American public and that's a condition that may persist long after Trump is mercifully gone.

    GE.

  7. #979
    Quote Originally Posted by DCups  [View Original Post]
    Cherry pick? Coalburner listed four pages of facts and figures regarding Obummer's reign of shit. Can you refute even ONE of the FIFTY-SIX examples of failed domestic and foreign policies, scandals or other disasters he is responsible for?
    Uh, you mean his irrefutable "facts" like:

    "9) Disrespect for Cops.

    10) Failed economic stimulus plan.

    11) Constant disregard for the Constitution and tyrannical rule. "

    LOL.

    How about a near record 75 straight months of positive jobs creation vs a net LOSS of 600,000+ private sector jobs by the end of the previous guy's grueling 8 year long disastrously failed presidency? How about regularly seeing 200,000+ jobs created per month vs LOSING 800,000 jobs per month? How about an unemployment rate steadily declining to 5% and below instead of skyrocketing toward double digits? How about a total reversal of the stock market plunge into new highs, tripling the market as measured by the S&P 500 Index? How about my property values totally recovering from the Bush / GOP crash and climbing to new highs?

    All of which began to occur a couple of weeks after that supposed "10) Failed economic stimulus plan" was signed into legislation (with almost NO Repub votes, BTW) and put to work in the system. And those critical positive economic metrics never looked back or went into reverse direction ever since. Oh, and that was done at the end of February 2009. Please remind me again what Trump and his fellow Repubs in Congress have done to trigger ANYTHING as remarkably positive for the USA Economy now that they've had a month LONGER in control of the levers than Obama and the Dems had by February 2009.

    But I hear Trump's golf game is coming along better than ever!

  8. #978
    Quote Originally Posted by DCups  [View Original Post]
    See Coalburner's lengthy examples and I dare you to refute just ONE of the multitude of these MAJOR FUCKUPS you delusional DOLT.
    I did in post #973. Apparently, your lack of literacy prevented you from comprehending the reply.

  9. #977

    Putting lip stick on a pig

    Quote Originally Posted by DCups  [View Original Post]
    See Coalburner's lengthy examples and I dare you to refute just ONE of the multitude of these MAJOR FUCKUPS you delusional DOLT.
    Don't waste anymore of your time and energy on them. They have no relevant facts or figures to counter with and when they start 'cherry picking' a few such as how an increase of low paying service jobs some how offsets the loss of high paying manufacturing jobs, and how great Obama care is, it simply doesn't pass the laugh test.

    The only thing they got right was that Clinton was a horrific candidate, but then again she ran on Obama's platform and record.

  10. #976
    Quote Originally Posted by Member#2041  [View Original Post]
    Actually, Obama's Presidency was NOT a disaster,
    See Coalburner's lengthy examples and I dare you to refute just ONE of the multitude of these MAJOR FUCKUPS you delusional DOLT.

  11. #975
    Quote Originally Posted by EihTooms  [View Original Post]
    cherry pick LOL.
    Cherry pick? Coalburner listed four pages of facts and figures regarding Obummer's reign of shit. Can you refute even ONE of the FIFTY-SIX examples of failed domestic and foreign policies, scandals or other disasters he is responsible for?

  12. #974
    Coalburner69 and D Cups, hate to break it to you but you can cherry pick and list all the piddly negatives you can dig up about the current economy and national security situation while ignoring all the overwhelming positives relative to what was occuring when Obama first took office more than offsetting them but there is one giant bull elephant sized bit of empirical evidence in the room arguing mightily against your contentions; even the Republicans whose expert lies you apparently swallowed whole and worked to help them get elected don't believe a word of their own lies about "how bad things are now!"

    LOL. Has any incoming president enjoyed the luxury of doing virtually NOTHING significant since election night and now more than four months later more than Donald Trump? The guy is on track to soak up more three day weekends on the golf course beginning sometime Thursday afternoon in just his first six months in office at taxpayers' expense than Obama took in eight years. He is so lazy he hasn't even managed to work up an Executive Action that would stand up to the most cursory reading of it vs the USA Constitution. He somehow got through one 80 minute address to Congress reading a telepromptered speech that seems to have been unearthed from the Harding administration, so musty, moldy and tired were the classic failed Republican memes included. Now he seems determined to dither around week after week rehashing the good ol' days of his weird presidential campaign, congratulating himself for how well he bamboozled his supporters into thinking he really was going to accomplish something on their behalf and soon.

    But as lackadaisical, lazy, dithering and distracted as Trump is staying up all night shouting at cable news shows on tv, tweeting nonsense and eating Big Mac Combos, the Republican leadership in Congress is luxuriating even MORE in classic Republican "doing nothingness".

    I thought the economy was "in crisis!" and national security was in so much trouble Trump HAD to get that idiotic counterproductive "Muslim Ban" Executive Action in place ASAP. Or, better yet, after a week or two of basking in the glory of that aforementioned telepromptered 80 minutes of relative lucidity except for the Harding Administration list of priorities.

    Apparently not. And there is a very compelling reason Trump and his fellow Republicans in Congress have not really DONE anything in the months since they have been in charge; they know things are going VERY WELL right now. The are happy to coast along in the wake of what Obama wrought through blood, sweat and tears over the past 8 years and, so typical of Republicans, "take credit" for the still ongoing record number of consecutive months of positive job growth, very low unemployment rate, rising property values, decent quarterly profits and earnings reports and the climbing stock market that accompanies all of that.

    Both Trump and the Repubs in Congress know very well their "doing something" can only screw up what is actually moving along quite nicely and has been doing so for a few years now. So they aren't really doing anything. Oh, except grousing about how terrible things are while they propose and do nothing to supposedly "fix" it. LOL.

  13. #973
    Quote Originally Posted by Coalburner69  [View Original Post]
    So let me get this straight, you're blaming Bush for the last 8 disastrous years of the Obama admin? Trump would gladly take that scenario over the one he's confronted with now thanks to the disastrous legacy of Obama.

    BTW, what's this 'robust economy' that you're talking about? Where is your data to support this? What do you have to counter just a few of these stats:

    -National debt at $20 trillion. Doubled in the last 8 years.

    -Not a single year of hitting a 3% GDP in the last 8 years.

    -Lowest labor participation rates since the 1970's, with 95 million Americans out of the labor force making the current unemployment rate a fantasy.

    -Lowest home ownership rate in 51 years despite mortgage rates artificially kept at record lows.

    -Over 11 million more Americans on food stamps.

    -More than 43 million Americans now live in poverty.

    -$873 billion in regulation costs. Number of regulations that been finalized under President Obama almost 3,000.

    -300,000 manufacturing jobs lost.

    -Global trade deficit of over $732 billion just last year.
    Actually, Obama's Presidency was NOT a disaster, with the sole exception being that it resulted in Hillary Clinton, a lousy candidate, running for President and giving us Trump.

    In fact, under Obama, the economic catastrophe he inherited from Bush was reversed. The Stock Market tripled in valuation. The housing collapse was reversed. And no terrorist attacks from foreigners succeeded in the USA (a handful WERE carried out by AMERICANS against American citizens) - but this was still a vast improvement over the record his predecessor.

    Most people who had any skills and education did quite well economically under the Obama Presidency. 300,000 manufacturing jobs were lost, but over 10 MILLION service jobs were gained. The lower labor participation rate is due to over tens of millions of Americans aging out of the work force as the baby boom began to reach retirement age.

    Over 15 Million Americans gained access to health insurance for the first time under Obama. Trump plans on negating that, plus screwing another 9 Million more out of the ability to get insurance.

    My personal Net Worth more than doubled during the Obama Presidency from when he took office in January of 2009. That's actually fairly typical. If you are an American and yours didn't, it's more a reflection on your own lack of talents than on the Obama economic recovery.

  14. #972
    Quote Originally Posted by Pompetus  [View Original Post]
    Mr. Coalburner:

    A little bit too much info here. But as for the increase in debt, did you forget that when Obama took office the world was in the largest financial catastrophe since the Great Depression? Most pundits attributed the problem to the deregulation mania of the GOP Bush administration. Late in his 2nd term when the crisis began Bush himself had urged increases in government spending in order to prime the pump. This is called fiscal policy and it is the usual Government response to severe economic downturns. Good news is that Obama left the economy on its way to a robust recovery. However now we have a president with a double digit IQ who wants to rescind the Obama regulation regime. What is the quote by George Santayana, "Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it. ".
    So let me get this straight, you're blaming Bush for the last 8 disastrous years of the Obama admin? Trump would gladly take that scenario over the one he's confronted with now thanks to the disastrous legacy of Obama.

    BTW, what's this 'robust economy' that you're talking about? Where is your data to support this? What do you have to counter just a few of these stats:

    -National debt at $20 trillion. Doubled in the last 8 years.

    -Not a single year of hitting a 3% GDP in the last 8 years.

    -Lowest labor participation rates since the 1970's, with 95 million Americans out of the labor force making the current unemployment rate a fantasy.

    -Lowest home ownership rate in 51 years despite mortgage rates artificially kept at record lows.

    -Over 11 million more Americans on food stamps.

    -More than 43 million Americans now live in poverty.

    -$873 billion in regulation costs. Number of regulations that been finalized under President Obama almost 3,000.

    -300,000 manufacturing jobs lost.

    -Global trade deficit of over $732 billion just last year.

  15. #971
    All talk and no action.

    Quote Originally Posted by Member#2041  [View Original Post]
    Guys, I'm going to be bowing out of this conversation, .
    .

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