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  1. #2542

    Not on this trip

    Quote Originally Posted by Optimist  [View Original Post]
    Shark16, from your comment and also reports in the Oase thread, it seems Oase is more promising than Sharks.

    Cheers
    I just completed a 5-day mongering trip around Frankfurt, and visited Palace, Oase, Mainhattan, Sharks (twice). When I was here back in June, Oase was the best with an amazing lineup. However, this time around I was disappointed, weak lineup and lousy food. Sharks had a much better line up these past few days.

  2. #2541

    Is it a contradiction? Depends.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jmioffe  [View Original Post]
    I know a lot of the girls live on-site in dorms, but that sounds just nuts to me considering how high maintenance some of them are -- they drive nice cars, carry designer bags and wear fancy shoes worth several hundred to a thousand dollars -- and sleep like teenagers. I'm thinking not of the Eastern Europeans coming from small towns, I understand why they live this way -- but some of the locals who come from nearby cities. Women usually want their own space.
    I know of two ethnic German girls who sometimes sleep in the clubs. They don't work every week. But when they work, it is usually three or four consecutive days, so the dorm is bearable. Like you said, its practical to sleep on club premises, especially when one works 40 hours over a three day stretch.

    German girls with immigrant backgrounds might be less "spoiled". Immigrants usually have lower incomes, bigger families, and are concentrated in cities, where rents are high and living spaces small, so they might already be accustomed to sharing cramped spaces.

    Seeing the bed as a "personal space" is more of a Western concept. I've known Eastern European civilian girls who immigrated to the West as children. They made enough money to afford luxury items. But when visiting relatives, they would still choose to sleep in the same bed with their mother, grandmother and siblings. Not every night. Maybe just 2-3 hours on the first night. It is just a "comfort" thing. You have to envision these girls as children back in Eastern Europe, after the fall of communism when economies collapsed. Homes had no heat in winter. So entire families would share an entire bed to stay warm.

    These WGs living in the dorms might just be spending every last cent on luxury items. People's financial priorities are just different. Some of these WGs come from nothing. Society looks down on them, so owning luxury items validates them. In the USA, when compared against Whites with comparable incomes, Black and Hispanics spend 30% more on what researchers classify as "visible goods" (clothes, cars, jewelry).

  3. #2540

    What the best city to visit for a first time FKK vistor?

    I've been reading the forums a lot and more or less getting the lay of the land. I did do a quick search but didn't turn up a good answer for this questions. A lot of the FKK clubs in Frankfurt seem popular but I see mention of a few in Cologne as well that offer good service. If you had to suggest a location what major city would you visit?

    Also would you suggest purchasing a tour as opposed to planning everything out by myself? I was browsing through a few options and the perks are nice I'm just a bit cautious about bundle deals.

  4. #2539
    Shark16. You have an amazing memory: your comments about my past are so correct

    I agree totally with what you say: repeat visits and patience lead to finding the gems. Leduq is certainly doing some good reports from Oase. As you say, was never my main club, but I have had some of my best sessions there.

    On my infrequent visits n the past I always liked Oase:the layout worked quite well for me and I liked the approach style: I just had favourite girls elsewhere.

    I must go there on my next trip

    Have fun.

  5. #2538
    Quote Originally Posted by Optimist  [View Original Post]
    Shark16, from your comment and also reports in the Oase thread, it seems Oase is more promising than Sharks.
    Sorry, I really can't tell. My Sharks visits are too few to do the club justice. Leduq I think is an Oase regular too with primarily good experiences at Oase through the years.

    I happen to believe that over time you develope special skills at the clubs you practice our hobby the most. Oase has always been my go-to club. The girls there have always given me my best experiences. Thus I return over and over again. It's where I spend most of my "monger money". I repeat with the best providers. It's where I have the largest group of regulars. I try to be nice with everyone around (girls, staff, German regulars). I know the line-up fairly well. The upsellers always get a firm (but friendly) no. Hopefully the Huren-Stasi talk nice about me, know my needs, and respect that I never accept shortcuts.

    I don't have the same knowledge about the Sharks line-up, thus a struggle a little bit harder to get same quality sessions there. Of course; I am confident the Sharks regulars will have the same experience but with opposite results.

    Optimist, I have been reading your reports since the "Cordelia days". I know that Oase never has been your preferred choice and a club you rarely vist (even back in the days). Thus nobody knows you there, you have no regulars at Oase, thus everything indicates you will struggle there at first (like any other noobie). My best advice would simply be to visit with an open mind, be friendly with everyone around, but just say politely no to those who try taking advantage of you. If you have the necessary patience, I am sure you will find your gems.

    Stay positive, and sometimes good things come your way.

  6. #2537
    I echo Shark16's comments regarding Oase. I never pay extra for DFK. In my experience, the girls I go with either provide DFK or they do not, but for those who provide DFK, they do not ask me to pay extra for it. Some of them may be expecting me to stay longer than half an hour when we DFK, which is usually fine because I usually take long rooms.

    Of the girls who don't provide me with DFK, they surprisingly don't offer me DFK for an extra price when they don't reciprocate my initial DFK attempt. I assume they simply don't like DFK, and so prefer not to offer it, which is fine with me. Then, I am simply much less likely to repeat with that girl unless she makes up for lack of DFK in other departments.

    If I know I am taking a girl for only half an hour, I will typically avoid DFK in the room so as to not create mismatched expectations. Just my personal MO. I know other folks handle these situations differently than I do, and that's ok. This is just what I do. In any case, I never pay extra for DFK.

  7. #2536
    Shark16, from your comment and also reports in the Oase thread, it seems Oase is more promising than Sharks.

    Cheers

  8. #2535
    Quote Originally Posted by BigBuddy69  [View Original Post]
    At shark16: sorry but you can't deny that, at sharks for example, it's very hard to find a girl willing to give a good service for half an hour.
    I disagree to the words "very hard". And; it's way better than "possible". But maybe I am overly selective (and I don't mind being selective).

    On my last visit to Oase I tried three new girls. All provided what I (and most gents) would consider good service in a 30 mnts session. Only one of them tried slight upselling for kissing, and it took a little bit of effort to play her good. No sweat. But sure, not every visit with new girls is like that. And of course, I have a bunch of regulars at these clubs that never fail me.

    I do agree that getting good service for half an hour has been getting worse over the years. Absolutely. And those gents that mix their 30 mnts sessions with a few 60 mnts sessions every now and then (with the good service girls) will have a much better time IME. On the other hand, getting a service like anal is so much easier these days than say 10- 15 years ago. It's a give and take.

    At Max: I have nothing against warnings about upselling attempts at "tourist" clubs. It is there and has to be dealt with. But sometimes you make it sound like a service like kissing is an extra by most of the girls at these clubs. It's not. And that was my point.

  9. #2534
    Quote Originally Posted by BigBuddy69  [View Original Post]
    At shark16: sorry but you can't deny that, at sharks for example, it's very hard to find a girl willing to give a good service for half an hour.
    It hard but is possible, but for me not worth the effort without a trusted guide, especially as I am overly picky

  10. #2533
    At shark16: sorry but you can't deny that, at sharks for example, it's very hard to find a girl willing to give a good service for half an hour.

  11. #2532
    Quote Originally Posted by Jmioffe  [View Original Post]
    I know a lot of the girls live on-site in dorms, but that sounds just nuts to me considering how high maintenance some of them are -- they drive nice cars, carry designer bags and wear fancy shoes worth several hundred to a thousand dollars -- and sleep like teenagers. I'm thinking not of the Eastern Europeans coming from small towns, I understand why they live this way -- but some of the locals who come from nearby cities.

    Women usually want their own space; most of my married friends have built second bathrooms, if not second sinks at least for their wives. The FKK dorms just seem nutty to me, consorting with captains of industry in some cases, to being in your late twenties and living like a college freshman. I guess, economically, it makes sense but it just seems like an odd and uncomfortable contrast.

    I've only seen the dorms from the outside, like the windows overlooking the garden at Oase and in the back at Sharks, and they do indeed look like regular dorms, laundry hanging in some cases.
    I saw them at one club. They were exactly like your last paragraph with around ten beds. The newer girls or short time girls are the ones most likely to stay in dorms.

  12. #2531
    Quote Originally Posted by Jmioffe  [View Original Post]
    The FKK dorms just seem nutty to me, consorting with captains of industry in some cases, to being in your late twenties and living like a college freshman. I guess, economically, it makes sense but it just seems like an odd and uncomfortable contrast.
    I've seen many club's dorms on pictures. Some are nicer than others. An apartment is not that easy to rent, landlords require a lot of paperwork most girls are not able to provide. Or they demand a serious upcharge if there is no paperwork. So many girls stay in the clubs and pay up to 20 EUR per day.

  13. #2530
    Quote Originally Posted by Shark16  [View Original Post]
    Mostly agree, except for "On the larger (tourist) clubs however, expect still price / upsell additions that comes with DFK and BBBJ". I have never paid extra for DFK / BBBJ and never will at the larger "tourist" clubs. Still, I have plenty of great options every time I visit. The phrase "price / upsell additions" is actually quite false and misleading. There are indeed some "price / upsell attempts", but no "addition". And these attempts can easily be avoided. No need to exaggerate.
    Thanks for your comment. I also never pay extra for DFK and BBBJ, but it is a warning for less experienced mongers among us. And indeed replace "additions" by "attempts" is ok (sorry for my English).

  14. #2529
    I've seen photos of their rooms. The rooms that I've seen look very much like you would imagine a hotel room to look like, albeit with a room-mate. The current Oase "dorm" rooms no longer house 6 girls to a room with bunk beds like way back in the day. Each room has only 2 or max 3 girls. Granted, I've only seen the rooms in the "new" building, but I didn't see anything that shocked me about their living conditions. In fact, I was surprised at how nice and modern everything looked.

    The girls are free to live outside of course, but many choose to live on-site because it is more convenient and it is usually cheaper to do so as well. This "cheaper calculation" assumes the girl is independent. The economics will of course be different if the girl is not independent.

    Yes, some girls need their space and decide to live outside the club. Others have a "room-mate" outside the club or multiple apartment-mates, making the off-site apartment a more logical choice.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jmioffe  [View Original Post]
    I know a lot of the girls live on-site in dorms, but that sounds just nuts to me considering how high maintenance some of them are -- they drive nice cars, carry designer bags and wear fancy shoes worth several hundred to a thousand dollars -- and sleep like teenagers. I'm thinking not of the Eastern Europeans coming from small towns, I understand why they live this way -- but some of the locals who come from nearby cities.

    Women usually want their own space; most of my married friends have built second bathrooms, if not second sinks at least for their wives. The FKK dorms just seem nutty to me, consorting with captains of industry in some cases, to being in your late twenties and living like a college freshman. I guess, economically, it makes sense but it just seems like an odd and uncomfortable contrast.

    I've only seen the dorms from the outside, like the windows overlooking the garden at Oase and in the back at Sharks, and they do indeed look like regular dorms, laundry hanging in some cases.

  15. #2528

    Has anyone ever seen inside the dorms at an FKK?

    I know a lot of the girls live on-site in dorms, but that sounds just nuts to me considering how high maintenance some of them are -- they drive nice cars, carry designer bags and wear fancy shoes worth several hundred to a thousand dollars -- and sleep like teenagers. I'm thinking not of the Eastern Europeans coming from small towns, I understand why they live this way -- but some of the locals who come from nearby cities.

    Women usually want their own space; most of my married friends have built second bathrooms, if not second sinks at least for their wives. The FKK dorms just seem nutty to me, consorting with captains of industry in some cases, to being in your late twenties and living like a college freshman. I guess, economically, it makes sense but it just seems like an odd and uncomfortable contrast.

    I've only seen the dorms from the outside, like the windows overlooking the garden at Oase and in the back at Sharks, and they do indeed look like regular dorms, laundry hanging in some cases.

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