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  1. #37028
    ET,

    Most of us know the real price of Viagra and Cialis brands sold in Western countries (protected by patent) is very high. Only fake copies in Asia can be extremely cheap. I don't believe large quantities of genuine product can be cheap due to fell off the back of a truck, but I could be wrong. If you are offered "genuine" at a price, due to asking by brand name, it is up to you if you believe it is genuine.

    There is no point to buy the expensive ones, we can agree. Generics are available at a good price, but not in all Pharmacies. Boots would not Sidegra, I believe.

    I don't believe all shops in Thailand try to cheat the customer, but you have to decide which ones to trust to be honest about what product they sell to you. Very good copies are available of some products.

    Doctors in Thailand supply Thai patients with pills to treat various illnesses. The patient is not well informed what medicine they are taking. This is so that when they run out, they have to see the doctor again to get some more, rather than just buy it cheaply (generics) at the Pharmacy.

    Even a hospital in Thailand can supply pills to you that you could have bought much cheaper at a Pharmacy, e. G. Ibuprofen is a common one.

    I found only a small percentage of Pharmacies asked me if I wanted a cheap er generic when I ordered something using a brand name. I therefore learned to always ask for generics.

  2. #37027
    Quote Originally Posted by Paolo99  [View Original Post]
    I've never seen it displayed in any pharmacy. It's something that is always stored in the back of the shop or somewhere else, but never at the desk.
    Correct almost all Pattaya "green sign" pharmacies have them but none are ever displayed in public view.

  3. #37026
    Quote Originally Posted by Paolo99  [View Original Post]
    I've never seen it displayed in any pharmacy. It's something that is always stored in the back of the shop or somewhere else, but never at the desk. I suspect it has something to do with the law, I'm not sure if they are allowed to sell them without prescription. The last time I took a box of Sidegra in the small pharmacy next to the big one, they pulled out a book in which I had to write down my name and sign. Last year I went in that big pharmacy and I wanted to buy some Sidegra, I was just back in Thailand and didn't know if price was same that a few month back. I weaited a few minutes but he was busy with some customers that had a very long list of medicines to ask him. So I decided to go and check the small one next door and the price was 180 baht. Then I went back to the big one and he told me that.
    Sorry, here is the end of my last post.

    He told me that the price had just gone up and it was now 200 baht. When I told him that other places do it at 180 baht, he asked me where do they do it at that price. I told him the one next door does it and he then said "Tham leuy" with a look that showed some kind of arrogance. I did not care the 20 baht differences I wanted only one box at that time but the way he said that made me want to go and take it in the small pharma instead. So basically that means that the price they give are not negotiable at all and I'm not surprised that he try his luck by trying to sell the 1900's ones at some random guys. Later that month I went back several times in the small pharma and took a lot more of their boxes and their price was still the same.

  4. #37025
    Quote Originally Posted by Syzygies  [View Original Post]
    No need to "demand". Just ask the right question. There is no deception or trickery. He stocks expensive originals only as a service to those that demand originals. Some weird people do. This Pharmacy has a reputation not to sell fakes.

    You should know Thailand is renowned for selling fake copies of goods, with seemingly original packaging, whether it be fake Nikes, Adidas, Louis, Rolex, bad quality DVD copies, good quality DVD copies, etc. I have seen the Cialis and Viagra fake copies since 15 or more years ago at less reputable pharmacies (usually small shops) due to customer demand, which originally had slight packaging variations that could be picked. The packaging has probably been enhanced more recently. There is no easy way to tell if 250 Baht "Viagra" on the street is genuine (fell off the back of a truck) or a fake copy, however a fake copy is much more likely. So assume it really is the generic Sildenafil or Tadalafil in reality but packaged in a very good copy of the original.

    If you asked for Sildenafil (scientific name of the ingredient), he probably would have shown you Sidegra brand for 200 baht rather than Viagra expensive brand. I never ever saw the genuine brands Viagra and Cialis in his shop nor knew the prices, because I never asked for them. It is that simple. I would have simply asked what is his price for Kamagra and for Sidegra.
    Well, we didn't demand originals. We asked if he had Cialis and Viagra. He most certainly has boxes of, presumably, generic Cialis hidden behind that tall display case with the word "Cialis" printed on them so he is definitely not above selling product that represents itself to be original when it likely is not. But he did not show us those. I didn't see his stash of generic or fake Viagra with the word "Viagra" printed on the package only because he saw I was looking into his hiding place and moved in to block it. lol.

    He sells 1,900 baht presumably original Cialis to customers who don't know he has generic Cialis at a fraction of the cost and have bought into the notion that you'll either be poisoned or totally suckered if you buy the same (generic) stuff on the street for roughly the same amount as he is selling those versions for in his shop. As reported here, he sells generic Cialis for 400 baht. Well, that is roughly the same amount the street vendor will state if you point to the same box on his table. Then you can negotiate that price down to about 200 baht. Maybe you can get it down to that amount in the Bully's pharmacy we're talking about, too. Don't know.

    I submit that you not only "never ever saw the genuine brands Viagra and Cialis in his shop nor knew the prices" but you also never ever saw the, presumably, generic versions of them in his shop either because he keeps all of his Viagra and Cialis product hidden behind the counter or display case instead of on display so he can slip one out selectively depending on what thinks he can get from a particular customer. I would further submit that is common practice for virtually all of the so-called "real" pharmacies in that part of Bangkok.

  5. #37024
    Quote Originally Posted by BananaBoi  [View Original Post]
    (EiThooms said: "Demand to see his cheaper stash of the stuff before purchasing.")

    This is what I just said.
    But you also said this, which is more of what I was referring to: "EihTooms, you're really overthinking this. If you asked the pharmacist all options and pricing of original and generic V / see, he would tell you. ".

    And since I assure you he has alternate packages of product with the word "Cialis" on them hidden behind that tall display case and elsewhere after having just sneaked a peek of them behind his glass display case before he moved to block my view, his not revealing his stash of, presumably, "generic" Cialis right along with that one 1,900 baht box of, presumably, "original" Cialis when I asked what he had for sale was as much a word game, deception by omission and hide and seek method of securing a 1,900 baht sale instead of a 400 baht sale as any street vendor in the city plays with customers.

  6. #37023

    You get what you ask for.

    Quote Originally Posted by EihTooms  [View Original Post]
    Anyone going to that pharmacy and reading this now knows the drill. Demand to see his cheaper stash of the stuff before purchasing. Meanwhile, the "original" versions he showed us at 1,800 baht and 1,900 baht were exactly the same versions one can buy on the street for 250 baht and 200 baht. And they also have the words "Viagra"-"Pfizer", "Cialis" - "Lilly" on them.
    No need to "demand". Just ask the right question. There is no deception or trickery. He stocks expensive originals only as a service to those that demand originals. Some weird people do. This Pharmacy has a reputation not to sell fakes.

    You should know Thailand is renowned for selling fake copies of goods, with seemingly original packaging, whether it be fake Nikes, Adidas, Louis, Rolex, bad quality DVD copies, good quality DVD copies, etc. I have seen the Cialis and Viagra fake copies since 15 or more years ago at less reputable pharmacies (usually small shops) due to customer demand, which originally had slight packaging variations that could be picked. The packaging has probably been enhanced more recently. There is no easy way to tell if 250 Baht "Viagra" on the street is genuine (fell off the back of a truck) or a fake copy, however a fake copy is much more likely. So assume it really is the generic Sildenafil or Tadalafil in reality but packaged in a very good copy of the original.

    If you asked for Sildenafil (scientific name of the ingredient), he probably would have shown you Sidegra brand for 200 baht rather than Viagra expensive brand. I never ever saw the genuine brands Viagra and Cialis in his shop nor knew the prices, because I never asked for them. It is that simple. I would have simply asked what is his price for Kamagra and for Sidegra.

    Similarly I ask for 400 MG Ibuprofen rather than some expensive brand name like Neurofen. Do I want Telfast? No. I ask him, do you have a cheap generic copy of Telfast. Would I ask for Zithromax? No. I would ask for a cheap generic Azithromycin.

    There is no way that genuine Cialis pack of 4 can be obtained for 200 Baht. The manufacturer Lilly does not distribute it for prices that low. It is obviously a copy. Does not mean that it doesn't work. It probably is Tadalafil, but quality control of the dose perhaps could not be guaranteed, who knows? We don't know which country it was made in.

  7. #37022

    I got what I asked for

    Quote Originally Posted by EihTooms  [View Original Post]
    Banana Boi, you haven't a clue what you're talking about. We didn't arm wrestle for an hour over how to buy his 1,900 baht boxes of Cialis for less. We asked for Viagra and Cialis, OF WHICH there is no dispute there are "original" and "generic" versions of it and he has them. Either version was available for purchase but he only sneaked out the high priced version to show us and had plenty of opportunity to introduce into the discussion that he also had a much cheaper version of it. We asked if there was a cheaper way to get it and he remained stone faced silent about it while his 400 baht boxes of "generic" Cialis, with that word printed right on the box, were within reach in his little hiding place.

    If one needs to corner him into it and shake him out of his usual up-selling methods by using the word "generic" in order to move away from the 1,800/1,900 baht sale he would much rather you think is the only one available, and apparently one does, so be it. Like having to say at a food market, "Do you have bread available today in that hidden cabinet of yours? May I see ALL of your bread items to compare prices, please? That includes white, wheat, pumpernickel, raisin, 12 grain.
    I went in asked for generic calis and within seconds was on way out the door, with what I asked for no trickery, it was double the price from what later I found but I asked and got and left!!

  8. #37021
    Quote Originally Posted by EihTooms  [View Original Post]
    he does not display the boner pills in his shop. He prominently displays virtually everything else related to sex, such as K-Y Jelly / lubricants, condoms, herpes medication, anti-biotics, etc. But not the boner pills. Those he keeps hidden in the back of that tall glass display case and in a drawer somewhere. No, not refrigerated storage. LOL Just in the back of the display case or in a drawer.
    I've never seen it displayed in any pharmacy. It's something that is always stored in the back of the shop or somewhere else, but never at the desk. I suspect it has something to do with the law, I'm not sure if they are allowed to sell them without prescription. The last time I took a box of Sidegra in the small pharmacy next to the big one, they pulled out a book in which I had to write down my name and sign. Last year I went in that big pharmacy and I wanted to buy some Sidegra, I was just back in Thailand and didn't know if price was same that a few month back. I weaited a few minutes but he was busy with some customers that had a very long list of medicines to ask him. So I decided to go and check the small one next door and the price was 180 baht. Then I went back to the big one and he told me that.

  9. #37020
    Quote Originally Posted by EihTooms  [View Original Post]
    Demand to see his cheaper stash of the stuff before purchasing.
    This is what I just said.

  10. #37019
    Quote Originally Posted by BananaBoi  [View Original Post]
    There really needs to be a thread dedicated to Viagra and condom talk. This thread has turned into the weekly Viagra/Cialis discussion and the Pattaya thread is the Sagami advertising thread.

    EihTooms, you're really overthinking this. If you asked the pharmacist all options and pricing of original and generic V/C, he would tell you. After driving him crazy with heavy negotiation, decide which you want to buy.
    Banana Boi, you haven't a clue what you're talking about. We didn't arm wrestle for an hour over how to buy his 1,900 baht boxes of Cialis for less. We asked for Viagra and Cialis, OF WHICH there is no dispute there are "original" and "generic" versions of it and he has them. Either version was available for purchase but he only sneaked out the high priced version to show us and had plenty of opportunity to introduce into the discussion that he also had a much cheaper version of it. We asked if there was a cheaper way to get it and he remained stone faced silent about it while his 400 baht boxes of "generic" Cialis, with that word printed right on the box, were within reach in his little hiding place.

    If one needs to corner him into it and shake him out of his usual up-selling methods by using the word "generic" in order to move away from the 1,800/1,900 baht sale he would much rather you think is the only one available, and apparently one does, so be it. Like having to say at a food market, "Do you have bread available today in that hidden cabinet of yours? May I see ALL of your bread items to compare prices, please? That includes white, wheat, pumpernickel, raisin, 12 grain...have I left any out? How about French bread, got any? Oh, I see I should have said even French bread made in Chicago and not Paris would be fine." lol.

    Anyone going to that pharmacy and reading this now knows the drill. Demand to see his cheaper stash of the stuff before purchasing. Meanwhile, the "original" versions he showed us at 1,800 baht and 1,900 baht were exactly the same versions one can buy on the street for 250 baht and 200 baht. And they also have the words "Viagra"-"Pfizer", "Cialis" - "Lilly" on them.

  11. #37018
    Quote Originally Posted by RacShack  [View Original Post]
    From my reading and personal experience probably definitely not getting what you paying for from street vendors, I didn't try the 400 baht vs the 200 baht yet I was a little skeptical about even from a supermarket pharmacy? Any info about this place food land Soi 5?
    The pharmacy at Foodland Soi 5 is as "real" a pharmacy as any other brick and mortar shop in the city, I think. As was said, it is open 24 hours. I bought some Imodium there once. Worked fine. Then again, so do the boner pills I buy off the street. LOL.

    If the real Foodland pharmacy is selling the four pack 20 MG Cialis for 200 baht, that is the same price I pay the street vendors for it. Interesting then that the battle lines of competition for sales of this stuff is NOT on the basis of quality, effectiveness or origin but on price.

  12. #37017
    There really needs to be a thread dedicated to Viagra and condom talk. This thread has turned into the weekly Viagra/Cialis discussion and the Pattaya thread is the Sagami advertising thread.

    EihTooms, you're really overthinking this. If you asked the pharmacist all options and pricing of original and generic V/C, he would tell you. After driving him crazy with heavy negotiation, decide which you want to buy.

  13. #37016
    Quote Originally Posted by Optional  [View Original Post]
    The packaging of generic versions of Viagra and Cialis would not have the words "Viagra" or "Cialis" on them, since those are brand names. The generics have their own names. Look for Sidegra, which is the generic Thai-made version of Viagra. It is just as effective, and is, like you said, about 300-400 baht. It comes in 50 MG and 100 MG. Personally I think the 50 MG is effective enough; 100 MG is overkill.
    Anticipating a further discussion of this and already being very near that pharmacy next to Bully's anyway, I returned there and decided to crane my neck around the tall glass counter to see his stash of Viagra and Cialis, both original and generic, without him selectively choosing which version he wants to pull from behind that display case or from a drawer to reveal to the customer. Don't know if anyone else noticed this obvious "tell" for his methods, but that is a pretty obvious one; he does not display the boner pills in his shop. He prominently displays virtually everything else related to sex, such as K-Y Jelly / lubricants, condoms, herpes medication, anti-biotics, etc. But not the boner pills. Those he keeps hidden in the back of that tall glass display case and in a drawer somewhere. No, not refrigerated storage. LOL Just in the back of the display case or in a drawer.

    He does that (they do that, more than one guy working there) because he does not WANT the customer who is coming in asking for Viagra or Cialis to know the options available to him and he wants to decide which one to selectively bring out to show, remaining stone faced and silent even deep into a discussion of how much it costs and is there a cheaper way to go on the hope that the customer will think he only carries the 1,900 baht version. I'm not saying and didn't say he was conducting a "scam" with this little bit of trickery. Just that this idea that so-called "real" pharmacies like that one are staffed by honorable and efficient scientists while the street vendor tables are staffed by shifty scoundrels is contradicted by easily observable reality.

    Oh, and the boxes I spied in the back of that tall display case in his shop had the word "Cialis" all over some of them, even though they were not boxes that he showed my friend and I when we went in there asking to buy some and he only slipped out the two boxes at 1,800 baht and 1,900 baht that he wanted us to think were the only versions of it he had. I didn't see the generic Viagra boxes because he caught that I could see his secret stash shelf of boner pills back there and immediately walked over to block my view. LOL.

    I'm pretty sure every box or bottle of generic Viagra and Cialis I have bought from a so-called "real" pharmacy and off the street vendors has also had those words featured on the labels. The plastic bottle of Tadalafil I buy from the street vendors clearly has the word "Cialis" on the face of the label, just like on the boxes of generic Cialis I saw in that shop's hiding place.

  14. #37015
    Quote Originally Posted by Optional  [View Original Post]
    The packaging of generic versions of Viagra and Cialis would not have the words "Viagra" or "Cialis" on them, since those are brand names. The generics have their own names. Look for Sidegra, which is the generic Thai-made version of Viagra. It is just as effective, and is, like you said, about 300-400 baht. It comes in 50 MG and 100 MG. Personally I think the 50 MG is effective enough; 100 MG is overkill.
    I think 100 mg. Sidegra should be about 200 Baht only, or less (for a cheapest places). True 50 MG is strong dose already. It is better value though to by 100 MG tablets and break them into smaller pieces. A whole 100 MG tablet could blow your head off. LOL. Best to take cautiously if not used to these things. Kamagra is another generic brand name and probably costs a little more than the Thai Sidegra.

    I don't think Kamagra 100 MG gel packs is a good idea, since it's too much, it is hard to measure a partial dose and difficult to keep the remainder for later. Messy. Suppose you only need 25%. However others say they like it, as acts faster. I have used medication mainly to maintain erections for very long duration and with difficult girls, e. G. Stiff legs, with condoms. So I never really needed a dose to start acting in a big hurry. I always know a penetration of girl is coming up anyway, long before it actually happens including travel to Hotel, shower, foreplay, etc. From the moment of barfine.

    Some guys say that putting on a condom causes them to lose their erection. A dose of Sildenafil (whichever brand) could solve those problems. Make sure a thin condom not too excessively tight.

  15. #37014
    Quote Originally Posted by EihTooms  [View Original Post]
    If the packaging on his generic brands of Viagra and Cialis have the words "Viagra" and "Cialis" on them then he was merely looking to make a couple of 1,900 baht and 1,800 baht sales instead of a couple of 400 baht sales.
    The packaging of generic versions of Viagra and Cialis would not have the words "Viagra" or "Cialis" on them, since those are brand names. The generics have their own names. Look for Sidegra, which is the generic Thai-made version of Viagra. It is just as effective, and is, like you said, about 300-400 baht. It comes in 50 MG and 100 MG. Personally I think the 50 MG is effective enough; 100 MG is overkill.

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