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  1. #38815

    Soi Cowboy tops

    Hi All,

    Going to BKK next weekend, and as I got scammed last time with the double lady drinks, asked for cover charge etc I vowed not to set foot in Crazy House again.

    So any points on what are the bets places currently in Soi Cowboy?

  2. #38814
    Quote Originally Posted by EihTooms  [View Original Post]
    I put 100 baht in her hand "for taxi fare", calmly bid farewell and walked away. Heard her say, "NO!" as though this was really a bummer for her. But after that I have no idea what she did or where she went. Although I had met her and bought lady drinks for her on at least three stops in Butterflies, we had never exchanged Line info or phone numbers. So there has been no follow up on it since last night.

    Party atmosphere or not, that was behaving a bit too much like a "butterfly" in public with me for my tastes. LOL.

    Fair or not? Handled it right or not? Comments always welcome. But it sure felt like the right thing to do at the time. Therefore, I chose not to ignore that particular "save yourself 2,000+ baht" warning sign.
    First comment is girls that are connected to you on LINE can be deleted and blocked, once you have no wish for further contact. This one reason to exchange LINE Ids or Barcodes rather than phone numbers. The reverse happens too where girls no longer read my messages. Could be they simply opened a new LINE account, or lost the phone, or blocked out all customers when new boyfriend expects exclusive rights, or they put P4 P behind them.

    Around Songkran one girl was lobbying to meet me privately (a repeat) since she no longer worked in the bar, but she was very unreliable to read any messages, and kept putting off the actual appointment, such that it never happened. My last set of messages to her never got read. I do have her phone number as well but really cannot be bothered to ring such an unreliable girl. Probably was trying do secret P4 P but had a boyfriend or whatever. We don't always know what is going on with the girl.

    You paid a barfine for the girl, but don't need to pay for sexual services till they are rendered. So I see nothing wrong with blowing her off as soon as your desire for her has evaporated. She can simply go look for another customer. Many years ago I cancelled one such booking with two girls straight off, like that on the way to the Hotel, when I realised that one of the two was likely to be a ladyboy. Once the possibility dawned on me, I was 90% certain. The walk was wrong and the voice a little strange. I went straight back to the same bar Hollywood and picked another girl with big naturals (to be sure LOL), and had a good time. I did not let my evening be totally spoiled. The bar staff would have known I had woken up to my mistake within just a few minutes. That was a lesson to me that bars did not necessarily have real girls only as barfinable. Some years later detected secret ladyboys in Deja Vu. There definitely existed scamming ladyboys pretending to be girls.

    So a girl pisses us off, all thought of fucking her is gone. Paying afterward is exactly for these reasons. In a western non-Thailand situation, I have also cancelled girls in the room before any sexual action started, due to heavy upsell or other very annoying talk. So I wasted 5 minutes of her time, but certainly was not going to pay for the sex services part which did not happen at all.

    Girls do have to learn a lesson from their behaving very badly. I am not a Robot that can still fuck the most irritating girls in the world. We have to have desire for it to work.

  3. #38813
    Quote Originally Posted by Syzygies  [View Original Post]
    I overpaid, there is no hypocrisy in that. I kicked her out quickly, so as not to waste her time and mine, since she was so resistive to everything and so useless, seemingly lacking a brain as well.
    Coincidentally, I performed one of the fastest kick-backs I have done in a long time last night. Go-go dancer in NEP's Butterflies that had been lobbying hard for me to barfine her through two previous visits. We got no further than the motorcycle taxi station on Soi 4 at Sukhumvit when I turned and caught her exchanging huge goo-goo eyes and licking gestures with some guy in a tuk-tuk sitting in traffic right there. I realize this is a party atmosphere. But there were a whole bunch of things I didn't like about that going on behind my back while I was holding her hand arranging the taxis to my room. LOL.

    I put 100 baht in her hand "for taxi fare", calmly bid farewell and walked away. Heard her say, "NO!" as though this was really a bummer for her. But after that I have no idea what she did or where she went. Although I had met her and bought lady drinks for her on at least three stops in Butterflies, we had never exchanged Line info or phone numbers. So there has been no follow up on it since last night.

    Party atmosphere or not, that was behaving a bit too much like a "butterfly" in public with me for my tastes. LOL.

    Fair or not? Handled it right or not? Comments always welcome. But it sure felt like the right thing to do at the time. Therefore, I chose not to ignore that particular "save yourself 2,000+ baht" warning sign.

  4. #38812

    Effect of Royal death on Bangkok Mongering

    Is Thailand back to normal since the death of the King last year?

    Many monger venues were quickly back to normal after the King catastrophe, although some girls did not work for a month.

    Some places hardly changed at all. Crazy House may have stopped nude dancing for a day or two, not long. Those that have less risqu behavior than before are probably more influenced by the government trying to improve Bangkok's Image and threat of police raids.

    Annies changed from sexy underwear to something else for a while, I heard, but reverted to underwear outfits recently, after a period of declining sales. Declining line up should be the reason for weak sales, but I prefer girls hiding as little as possible. Underwear exposes some blubbery figures fairly well. Actually I don't like covered tits as well as covered mid-riffs.

    Bangkok Bunnies seems to getting quite popular based on recent quick stop, however it's not for me with 90% of topless girls having sillies, except in the soap suds area. Pretty faces extremely low. Well behind standard of Twisters, and even well behind Billboard for my taste. Billboard soap suds bath girls were easily better than at Bangkok Bunnies. Bangkok Bunnies is definitely for enthusiasts of Implants.

    Compared to 20+ years ago every has declined for me except for their was no nude dancing back then. Apart from that, most places were much more raunchy. Nude dancing first arrived in Nana Plaza at places like Lollipop, Pretty Lady etc. Later it was stamped out in Nana Plaza and moved to Suzie Wong in Cowboy, soon followed by Long Gun and a some other bars. Lack of nude dancing is still the big weakness of Nana Plaza. O.K. I once peeked in the left back corner and saw a LB dancing nude, but I shuddered from the ugly look of that and left quickly. Pretty girls still exist in the industry but getting very hard to find. I am getting very tempted to try the Smooci path.

  5. #38811
    Quote Originally Posted by Marky1  [View Original Post]
    It's not dangerous at all. That's only my opinion. I'm not easily intimidated maybe.
    Yes if by myself, I always walk it. However girls don't seem to like it, with street dark and footpath uneven, and they report having heard of incidents in the smaller Sois nearby past Admiral Premier. Bag snatchers working in pairs on motorcycle are not too uncommon in Bangkok. One skinny ladyboy I know of, was bashed by two girls on motorcycle, and had and handbag taken right outside the a 7 Eleven store. Any bystanders seem to do nothing to help. This is Bangkok.

    Girls and ladyboys make easy targets due to being able to be grabbed by their long hair.

    So to say there is no danger at all, is simplification and perception. I would suggest to check crime statistics for the reality, however Thai standards for collecting data for crimes of violence is very poor. Bag snatching, bashings, etc. Are not seen as serious crime here. Covered up somewhat. A lot of sexual crimes go unreported. Men bashing their wives is not even a crime here. A lot of suspicious Farang deaths in Thailand are written off as suicide, even the body found in the canal with knife in his back. A lot of guys have gone off the top of buildings in Pattaya, known as the Pattaya Flying Club. One suspects that many of these guys were "assisted". True rates of crimes is not known. There are also pick pockets and scammers.

    Just a day or two ago saw a fight break out in a caf on Soi 23. Reason not known, but a Farang was involved on at least one side. Did see a Thai girl pick up a solid wooden chair that she wanted to use to smash on a Farang. She appeared to be just someone wanting to join in. She was restrained by someone else. Possibly some were more concerned about damage to the property than to the Farang. Thais can go crazy and especially love to join in to kick some underdog that is already down and beaten. This is the "animal" personality found in some Thais.

    You don't want to pick a fight in Thailand. You never know who will join in and how much it will escalate. Anyone looking for trouble will surely find it.

  6. #38810
    Quote Originally Posted by Smoothy  [View Original Post]
    Just pointing out his own hypocrisy in a previous post.
    You asked if you treated the girl fairly. After 2 hours of fucking, but no pop, some of us said no. I didn't ask if I treated her fairly. I had no doubts, whatsoever. I know I over paid her for 10 minutes of her lying naked with straight legs and ankles locked together, and no fuck, with no agreed price set. Unfortunately I did not have enough small notes to give her less. If you can't see any difference between the 2 cases, then everything is just black or white to you with no others shades in between.

    You said your girl was good enough to repeat, I think. My girl was pathetic.

    I overpaid, there is no hypocrisy in that. I kicked her out quickly, so as not to waste her time and mine, since she was so resistive to everything and so useless, seemingly lacking a brain as well.

  7. #38809
    Quote Originally Posted by Franciscass  [View Original Post]
    Sacrilege criticizing our beloved supreme leader, excommunication, burning at the stake or being mowed down with anti aircraft fire would be too good for you.
    Just pointing out his own hypocrisy in a previous post.

  8. #38808
    Quote Originally Posted by Valoulou  [View Original Post]
    Thanks for your response.

    I'm not very comfortable with having to deal with 1, 2 or 3 girls coming and rushing you for drinks or being scammed if I look too "newbie".

    I'd figure that drinking a beer alone wouldn't be particularly fun even though Banana Boi said I wouldn't be alone for very long. Which is definitely right. I just thought that drinking a beer with another punter playing pool and so forth would be more appreciable and would also be better to check out girls.

    It's like going to disco alone, it wouldn't be that much fun but in a sense, you're right, I will be flexible and will likely enjoy it! Also if the girls I meet speaks well enough english to discuss, it could become fun!

    Always wanted to try a gogo place so I'll try some in Pattaya and some in Bangkok, I just don't want one where girls are pushy! Which of your favorite would you recommend?
    You might think go-go bars in Thailand are like pole dance or striptease bars in Europe, but they are way different. In Thailand you are KING! If you do not like the girl, just waive your hand and they will disappear. I never had a problem with pushy girls in Thailand. They are very sensitive to what the guy want. If you want to play big spender, sure the girls will come. But they also leave us alone if we clearly indicate we just want to sit alone and enjoy our drink and the line up / show. Some bars have pushy waiters or mamasan, but you can just ignore them. It is their job to push customers to buy drinks and pick a girl, it is after all a business. But remember you are KING! Nobody tell you what to do. It is your money. Your time. Your choice. You are a bit younger than me and it is very difficult to advice another punter. We are all different. Personally I like these bars in Pattaya: Happy A-go-go, Electric Blue, Airport, Livingdolls 1, Peppermint. Remember there are 50 to chose from in Walking Street alone and 16 in LK Metro. In Bangkok I would suggest: Soi Cowboy: Dollhouse, Suzy Wong, Long Gun, Shark. My choice in Nana Plaza: Mandarin, Twisters. If you like more classic rock tunes; try Angel Witch or Sexy Nights. If you like to play pool try a game with some of the in-house girls in bars like Stumble In or Hillary bars in Soi 4 in Bangkok. These girls are available for take-out but quality is just so-so. But they are clever at playing pool! Good luck.

  9. #38807
    Quote Originally Posted by PinkPearl  [View Original Post]
    With trying dozens of NEP area street girls one occasionally encounters one like this.
    Over 80% of the time I stick with keepers who are consistently great rather than try an unknown.
    Unknown girls, those I've never bedded before, are seldom up to the standard of becoming a keeper. That is, a member of my harem!
    New girls are seldom worth a repeat since they are not up to the standard of those in the harem. They are taken when others are unavailable.
    I haven't tried so many (not even close to one dozen), but I agree. Only found the one keeper there that performs pretty good in recent times, and even then, she wasn't outstanding the first time, just "pass with a push". She upped her game, so she is now very enthusiastic, so definitely now deserves the "keeper" status. The other girls are not necessarily total failures, but weak performers, not worth a 2nd go. By "total failure", I refer to girls where I end up cancelling with a non-completed fuck or no fuck at all.

    So really the only places that are pretty reliable with very few total failure girls are the PSE Oilies. Very few bad sessions ever from Tulip, Snow White, Mango, etc. Some total failures in other shops. I suppose you could still get unlucky with an inexperienced newbie girl, or one who is not in good enough condition to be working. Any venue can provide very average girls based on your own personal criteria, not worth repeating though.

    I am doing 80% repeats myself most likely, from all sources, to keep the bad experiences down, and keep the average experiences down as well. I only take LTs with known reliable girls too.

    Over the last year or two I would have lost at least 6 or 8 regular girls, in one way or another. Most just disappear. Perhaps collected a sponser/boyfriend. The odd one declined in service to a point where no longer worthwhile. So unfortunately have to keep recruiting some new ones. Probably only have about 8 girls left that I like to repeat, split between freelancers, bargirls, and Oily girls, which I don't think is quite enough. Would like to add some good priced Soapy girls.

  10. #38806
    Quote Originally Posted by Smoothy  [View Original Post]
    You certainly stiffed her.

    The girl did not cheat you. You should not cheat her. You may not be able to use that bar again due to the bad gossip you are due.
    Sacrilege criticizing our beloved supreme leader, excommunication, burning at the stake or being mowed down with anti aircraft fire would be too good for you.

  11. #38805
    Quote Originally Posted by Syzygies  [View Original Post]
    I did have just one or two girls walk that Soi at night with me. Very few indeed. There tend to be suspicious types hanging around at times.

    Sois in that area beyond the Hotels mentioned were even reported as dangerous at night, however I have walked to 7 Eleven without any problems. You just watch what other people sighted are doing somewhat.

    Dark back alleys with few people are never the best idea in Bangkok. It's not a totally safe place.
    I have walked up and down from Soi Cowboy to Citadines and vice versa late at night maybe 100 times.

    It's not dangerous at all. That's only my opinion. I'm not easily intimidated maybe.

    I've only had one girl insist on taking a cab from Soi Cowboy to Citadines. I haven't stayed there for the last few years, so maybe attitudes to walking have changed.

  12. #38804
    Quote Originally Posted by Aviator12  [View Original Post]
    Your post made me really wonder. Why are you reluctant to drink alone in a go-go bar? And why do you plan trips to Bangkok and Pattaya if this is a problem? By all means. If you can find a wingman it can be a good experience so good luck. Personally I always go alone. To bring a friend limits your choices, after all your friend possibly want to go to other venues than you etc. On your own you are flexible and can go wherever you like. I would say probably 70% of visitors to go-go bars come alone. It is normal and you will enjoy it, don't worry. I would love to share a beer with you and maybe give some more advice but I am not in Bangkok in May. Happy hunting!
    Thanks for your response.

    I'm not very comfortable with having to deal with 1, 2 or 3 girls coming and rushing you for drinks or being scammed if I look too "newbie".

    I'd figure that drinking a beer alone wouldn't be particularly fun even though Banana Boi said I wouldn't be alone for very long. Which is definitely right. I just thought that drinking a beer with another punter playing pool and so forth would be more appreciable and would also be better to check out girls.

    It's like going to disco alone, it wouldn't be that much fun but in a sense, you're right, I will be flexible and will likely enjoy it! Also if the girls I meet speaks well enough english to discuss, it could become fun!

    Always wanted to try a gogo place so I'll try some in Pattaya and some in Bangkok, I just don't want one where girls are pushy! Which of your favorite would you recommend?

  13. #38803

    Day 1 in BKK

    Hi,

    Finally got my couple of days free in BKK after the office work.

    As per the earlier suggestions, decided to start the day at Annies. Walked up there and not many numbers for selection. Selected Say # 20. It was first time in a soapy and hence it was a interesting experience. Only negative was the she has boobies were very small. Being a boob lover it was a bit of disappointment for me. Still she did a good job and had a good BJ, massage and play in multiple positions before I cum in cowgirl. Second round was longer in all positions and finally cum in miss. Showered and left the place. Returned to hotel and took rest before venturing again. Walked around Sois and checked the bars. Finally came into NEP and went to Rainbow. I was not very sure of quality here so don't know the lineup was good or bad. Picked up Nay for a ST and it was average experience since she was more into getting me cum and closing the act.

    Went out for some food and drinks and came back to NEP. After touring some more bars, picked up a girl from Spankys. It turned out to be a better one. Session was extensive and took time. She was very cooperative and not very pushy on time. Did all the positions and still had to cum by HJ. By the end it was midnight and decided call it day as was very tired from walking all around and heat.

    Will try Billboard tomorrow as it seems to be bigger. Funny part was getting into LB bar by mistake and running out of it.

  14. #38802
    Quote Originally Posted by Valoulou  [View Original Post]
    The reason is that I don't see myself drinking a beer all by myself in a gogo bar actually.
    In most gogo bars you will be alone for a very short period, sometimes seconds. No wingman needed. Any eye contact with a girl you find attractive and she's beside you. Buy her a lady drink and enjoy.

  15. #38801
    Quote Originally Posted by Valoulou  [View Original Post]
    Hi guys,

    I'll be hitting Bangkok on the 8th of May for 5 nights (I will be in Pattaya from the 6th to the 8th) who would be available to meet around those dates for a drink?

    A bit more about myself: I'm a 28 years old French guy living in Paris, I've been a few times in Bangkok and I had fun mongering there but mostly massages places and outcall (mango, tulip and so forth) but, although it may sound curious, I haven't actually tried a gogo bar, picked up a freelance or barfined a girl. The reason is that I don't see myself drinking a beer all by myself in a gogo bar actually. So would anyone be up for a one (or a few) nights there?

    P.S: don't take it personally but I would like meeting someone (around) my age (25 - 40) as I wouldn't want to be in a "dad & son are hitting on girls" situation.

    Cheers.
    Your post made me really wonder. Why are you reluctant to drink alone in a go-go bar? And why do you plan trips to Bangkok and Pattaya if this is a problem? By all means. If you can find a wingman it can be a good experience so good luck. Personally I always go alone. To bring a friend limits your choices, after all your friend possibly want to go to other venues than you etc. On your own you are flexible and can go wherever you like. I would say probably 70% of visitors to go-go bars come alone. It is normal and you will enjoy it, don't worry. I would love to share a beer with you and maybe give some more advice but I am not in Bangkok in May. Happy hunting!

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