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  1. #3042
    Quote Originally Posted by Allover  [View Original Post]
    Annies rooms were in poor condition forever. I remember them being subpar in the early 2000's. I also thought their girls were extremely well trained even if their looks were below average overall. I remember going there with a wingman in about 2006. Both of the girls got us to come three times (thanks Olive) which never happened to either of us before in a 90 minute period. I would sum up Annies by saying the rooms were poor and you had to look hard to select an attractive girl. But the service was excellent. I credit Aey and her mama.

    Why is it so hard for people to accept that some Annies customers liked the place and some didn't?
    Annie's was a different world in 2006 compared to 2016. I was a frequent customer back then.

  2. #3041

    Some liked Annies, many did not

    Annies rooms were in poor condition forever. I remember them being subpar in the early 2000's. I also thought their girls were extremely well trained even if their looks were below average overall. I remember going there with a wingman in about 2006. Both of the girls got us to come three times (thanks Olive) which never happened to either of us before in a 90 minute period. I would sum up Annies by saying the rooms were poor and you had to look hard to select an attractive girl. But the service was excellent. I credit Aey and her mama.

    Why is it so hard for people to accept that some Annies customers liked the place and some didn't?

  3. #3040
    Quote Originally Posted by BionicMan  [View Original Post]
    I don't see why Annie's having its own thread was a mistake.
    Bad mistake by Admin.

    Firstly every post containing the word Annie was moved there. A lot of those posts did not belong and were mainly on other topics. Subdivision should not be retrospective. That is too hard. Other better forum subdivisions were suggested, e. G. By Nic Frenchy.

    It was just catching the moment of the increased marketing opportunity through the web. It certainly didn't cause its own decline. Might have even extended its life and delayed the decline. The "end" of Annie was the changed mongering approach the more opened and wider access to bkk and its special industry with social media taking a stake. There was no need to fake a Thai massage specialty as the soap massage to access paid sex.
    Of course it did not cause the decline. The decline had already started.

    The thread split was caused by complaints about the number of Annies posts (and Tulip) cluttering up the Massage thread.

    In addition the annes facilities became old, worn out and so where the girls. Not many new talents as the fresh farm girls didn't need anymore to spend hours in a fishbowl hoping to get picked and earn in 90' what they could earn in a quickie with a ST deed.
    Annies facilities were always poor, in my memory. The girls may have actually improved in looks. I hardly took Annies girls (maybe only 2 times) before sexy Aor No. 24. Arrived. The line up did improve a little over the years for me. At one time they had maybe 3 or 4 girls I could do. In early days Annies was very over hyped, especially so on another forum starting with "W". Obviously there was a lot of good competition available for MPs, and I never really considered Annies to be a fully fledged Soapy, even though had a bath, bodyslide, and fishbowl. However not very similar to other Soapies, especially with sub standard facilities.
    The "corporation and affiliation" set up with the too hopeful "Dr. BJ" & co. Was probably a mistake as the soi 7/1 facilities distracted the customer base from the main Rajah comolex historical site. Maybe it was just an attempt to cater to a new busibes.
    Can't agree that was a mistake, but sure those shops were not as busy as Annies was. Chrome rooms are better. Soi of shame was not the best location, or maybe it was. Punters unwilling to go to Annies may well have gone to the new shops. There are a huge number of venues available for any Annies customers. There is nothing special.
    The real estate project at the Rajah complex (I feel sorry for those who started the Mexican Bar, too early to do that) put all to an end.
    Not really relevant I believe. Mexican Restaurant next to Annies? Seems a crazy idea.

  4. #3039
    Quote Originally Posted by BionicMan  [View Original Post]
    I don't see why Annie's having its own thread was a mistake.
    Of course it wasn't, how could having your own tread be a mistake. Annie's was an institution back in the day where its popularity warranted a separate thread. It was along with Baron one of the two most popular destinations on Sukhumvit.

    Although we've discussed its demise at length I'm still at a loss to understand how with its brand so well recognized and respected it was allowed to go the way it did. Was it the hook up with the inexperienced Soi 7/1 partner, the new business model they pursued or just a loss of interest after mum ceased to be involved.

  5. #3038
    Quote Originally Posted by Syzygies  [View Original Post]
    It was a much later year when Annies got its own thread, which was a big mistake, as that was the time its popularity was dying away. I do recall when Annies used to answer posts on the ISG, in the early days I was a member of ISG. Wasn't very worthwhile.
    I don't see why Annie's having its own thread was a mistake.

    It was just catching the moment of the increased marketing opportunity through the web. It certainly didn't cause its own decline. Might have even extended its life and delayed the decline. The "end" of Annie was the changed mongering approach the more opened and wider access to bkk and its special industry with social media taking a stake. There was no need to fake a Thai massage specialty as the soap massage to access paid sex.

    In addition the annÓes facilities became old, worn out and so where the girls. Not many new talents as the fresh farm girls didn't need anymore to spend hours in a fishbowl hoping to get picked and earn in 90' what they could earn in a quickie with a ST deed.

    The "corporation and affiliation" set up with the too hopeful "Dr. BJ" & co. Was probably a mistake as the soi 7/1 facilities distracted the customer base from the main Rajah comolex historical site. Maybe it was just an attempt to cater to a new busibes.

    The real estate project at the Rajah complex (I feel sorry for those who started the Mexican Bar, too early to do that) put all to an end.

  6. #3037
    Quote Originally Posted by Applesauce  [View Original Post]
    I remember this. My first visit to BKK was in 2007 and Annie's was already doing heavy a lot of online marketing then. For those who remember, in 2007 it was still only a minority of people who were online. Cybercafes were started at the back of printing shops. I was using the cybercafe at Times Square near Asok because my hotel the Sheraton didn't have wi-fi.
    Minority of people online? Sure my parents weren't online. LOL Surely a lot of us had to use email at the very least, since years before that. I only ever had one or two desktop computers moving to laptops very early and needing them for work since early 2000's. I was posting on work related online forums (not ISG) since well before the year 2000. Not with wifi of course.

    By 2007, I am sure Livinstone's Lodge in Soi 33 had very good wifi internet. I stayed there a few times. I liked the late breakfast possibility.

    I am sure I joined the ISG before 2007 under a different handle. Was suggested to me by a guy sitting next to me in a sex club. I do recall using some internet cafes (very occasionally) and very rarely in Thailand (was one good one in Soi 11), that was because of inconvenience sometimes of dialup internet connections (before broad band generally available). Internet cafes were also not convenient due to many not being setup to provide a Lan plugin to your own laptop. I certainly had dial up internet at home for a few years before I tried the ISG and before broadband became a good option. ISG still had a lot of posters already in 2005 or 2006 when I joined, and I was finally persuaded to try Tulip sometime later when it was already very big on the ISG.

    It was a much later year when Annies got its own thread, which was a big mistake, as that was the time its popularity was dying away. I do recall when Annies used to answer posts on the ISG, in the early days I was a member of ISG. Wasn't very worthwhile.

  7. #3036
    Quote Originally Posted by Sunlover2  [View Original Post]
    The reason for this was because Annies spotted the internet marketing opportunity early on. Aye personally and her ex-pat surrogate 'helpers' were very active with guerilla marketing tactics in on-line forums:

    There were hand bills posted in each room listing their social media outlets which encouraged customers to review them on line. Positive posts were praised and reinforced.

    Anytime there was a non-positive review or comments the poster was shouted down as a hater or problem customer. No constructive or honest criticism was permitted..
    The reason for Annie's decline was bad management (past 2 to 3 years) and overpricing. While 2500 is a reasonable price for 90 minutes when the facilities are decent and the lineup is reasonably attractive this was not the case at Annie's.

    They choose to go after the Soi 4 newbie market but the Plaza, Hillary bars and the other watering holes had more interesting choices and so business was slow. They felt by using the net to create a false narrative and using surrogate posters to rubbish anybody who pointed out the truth they could be successful. These surrogate apologists posed as honest brokers claiming no connection to the owners but their continued rubbishing of those of us who refused to allow the forum to be used in this way showed otherwise.

    Despite what some believe the only "positive" posts that attention was drawn to were those that were likely shills. Some of these were amazingly by the management themselves.

    Members who posted good experiences which incidentally were few and far between did not have their posts rubbished. Furthermore for anyone to suggest that members of this forum are so timid and frightened to post just because they had a negative response to something they said is both an insult to their intelligence and their character.

  8. #3035
    Quote Originally Posted by Sunlover2  [View Original Post]
    The reason for this was because Annies spotted the internet marketing opportunity early on.
    I remember this. My first visit to BKK was in 2007 and Annie's was already doing heavy a lot of online marketing then. For those who remember, in 2007 it was still only a minority of people who were online. Cybercafes were started at the back of printing shops. I was using the cybercafe at Times Square near Asok because my hotel the Sheraton didn't have wi-fi.

  9. #3034

    14 / v

    Quote Originally Posted by Syzygies  [View Original Post]
    She has been there recently! When you come back you will probably be successful. Don't worry about it. Don't bother to research in the meantime. It won't be any great help, I suspect. Maybe the Instagram site is a better one to look for recent pics coming up (I did not look for some time though), but hard to be sure when they were taken. I could be wrong. I never use Facebook.
    It seems that number 14 from Annie's became letter V in Wood Bar.

  10. #3033
    Quote Originally Posted by RedKilt  [View Original Post]
    Why do you have to comment as usual when you clearly DO NOT KNOW any more about it than me and are making assumptions, Mr Syzygies, the self-appointed know-all about Bangkok.

    You admit yourself in numerous posts within the last 18 months you did not like Annie's any more.

    I have spent many hours chatting with Aey at the bar and I saw AT FIRST HAND how well she ran Annie's on behalf of her mother. This is probably before your time.

    When she went missing from the MP ("less time in attendance" to use your phrase) it immediately started to decline.
    The fact that it has now closed proves my point. She must no longer have her finger in the pie to any great extent as I am certain she would not have tolerated the decline in both services and amenities.
    See Lion55 comment about Aey in attendance. Your "left the management" was total twaddle I am afraid.

    I have my sources re Annies and hear that Aey has not left her other shops entirely. Sighted plenty of times (by others). I comment when I believe I have better information. That simple. Sorry I happened to disagree based on what I hear. Aey leaving is most unlikely.

    I have met the "Annie" (mother) and chatted to her long ago, however I don't claim very ancient experience at Annies. I also had a chat with a older female staff member who used to be at the Thermae Soapy 27 years ago, and I had old close ties with a friend of hers from the Thermae Soapy.

    My latest theory (unproven) is that after an inspection by Authorities, Annies maybe was closed possibly due to illegal use of Underground water, like some other Soapies.

    I admit that I did not like the Annies rooms, and did not attend there for well over a year, but I still have contact with someone who ought to know a fair bit about what is going on. I also did not attend Chrome or Wood bars for a long time now, even though I preferred the rooms there. So I did not see Aey with my own eyes recently. Someone else did who has probably little reason to feed me bullshit. Aey was always the "big boss" as far as the girls were concerned, and appeared regularly at all 3 shops (last time the Aey topic came up).

    I don't invent or make up information. If I am guessing, I clearly state that, otherwise I try present good info (my viewpoint).

  11. #3032
    Quote Originally Posted by Sunlover2  [View Original Post]
    Anytime there was a non-positive review or comments the poster was shouted down as a hater or problem customer. No constructive or honest criticism was permitted.
    Actually if you check carefully, almost every time there was a positive review, it was shouted down by the Annies haters, with one or two special repetitive perpetrators. That is what I found to be exceptionally irritating. So I took exception to that behaviour. I even published the statistics at one time of the number of posts rubbishing some positive review, as though every positive post was total lies (which I don't accept. Some maybe). Real posters did become scared to put a positive review out there.

    Certainly negative reviews are permitted. Very repetitive criticism posts implying that all positive reviewers had ulterior moves and were full of shit, were not very constructive. It is well known I have no affiliation with Annies or any of its management. I just don't like to see every positive reviewer hounded down.

  12. #3031
    Quote Originally Posted by Sunlover2  [View Original Post]
    The reason for this was because Annies spotted the internet marketing opportunity early on. Aye personally and her ex-pat surrogate 'helpers' were very active with guerilla marketing tactics in on-line forums:

    There were hand bills posted in each room listing their social media outlets which encouraged customers to review them on line. Positive posts were praised and reinforced.

    Anytime there was a non-positive review or comments the poster was shouted down as a hater or problem customer. No constructive or honest criticism was permitted.
    So very true. I was one of those who was shouted down as having a vendetta against the place by a well-known surrogate apologist whenever I pointed out the dishonesty of the posts appearing on the forum.

  13. #3030
    Quote Originally Posted by Allover  [View Original Post]
    Annies has its own thread on ISG which should give some idea why it is a powerful brand name in the BKK P4 P scene.
    The reason for this was because Annies spotted the internet marketing opportunity early on. Aye personally and her ex-pat surrogate 'helpers' were very active with guerilla marketing tactics in on-line forums:

    There were hand bills posted in each room listing their social media outlets which encouraged customers to review them on line. Positive posts were praised and reinforced.

    Anytime there was a non-positive review or comments the poster was shouted down as a hater or problem customer. No constructive or honest criticism was permitted.

    There were also a ton of 'one time once' posters with glowing reviews on outlets like ISG. Many suspected these reviews were fabricated.

    So because of the clutter created by these activities ISG broke Annies out into a separate forum. Tulip was broken out because it was a top spot and genuinely discussed. So as a result all the other massage shops comments were no longer buried.

    Not trying to be argumentative. Just how it was. And yes I had been to Annies multiple times. Go back in the threads it is all there.

    SL.

  14. #3029

    What Reputation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sunlover2  [View Original Post]
    At the end Annie's was operating as a tourist trap decades past its sell date. Experienced Bangkok punters knew it was a weak option vs. The competition that is so often discussed on this MB. Go back in the thread and read all the negative reports.

    Just saying.

    SL.
    You are mostly correct in your assessment, but Annies did have a following and a good reputation among some punters. This is in spite of its obvious short comings in talent and facilities. Annies has its own thread on ISG which should give some idea why it is a powerful brand name in the BKK P4 P scene.

  15. #3028
    Stopped by Chrome Bar at noon today. Aey was there handling the SPs. Only three available, all former Annie's girls and looking rather forlorn. Not very promising.

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