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  1. #467

    Interesting

    Quote Originally Posted by Maxime  [View Original Post]
    Indeed GB01 (and some others) did good legal research ahead of July 1st to understand what is (and what is not) possible under the new law. There was even a special legal council meeting in Bonn end of April where all relevant players from the industry where present (but probably some of the wise guys posting here and some organizing parties were not).

    After this, professional organizers adjusted their events with legal help in the right way, to comply to the new law (for example the changes you did see with GB01).

    As I wrote before, porn / movie / film / photo productions do not fall under the new law (that is stated in the specific "Begrundung" of the "Durhfuhrungs Verordnung") so when organized the right way, they do not have to worry at all.

    Other forms, like the way SG it is doing, might work too as a workaround, but for now I would not qualify it as watertight, we will wait and see.
    That's interesting. I'm not a German lawyer, but SG's approach seems much more vulnerable than others; it seems to be largely dependent on how they describe the activities of the women, rather than on an objective analysis of the women's activities. Saying that women who on 30 June worked as prostitutes now work as dancers and also happen to have sex with everyone present at those dances in their spare time seems to me to be literally incredible.

    Courts do not have to simply accept the words of a contract, they can look behind those words to see what the reality is. And the reality is that the same women are being hired by SG to perform at sex parties as before the kondompflicht law. Are they being paid less now? If they are not being asked to have sex with anyone, but just to writhe around a bit for 20 minutes, then presumably they are being paid substantially less than they were when they were being asked to have sex with dozens of guys for hours on end. Strangely, given that all that the entry fee buys you is watching a bit of sexy dancing, the entry fees don't seem to be much lower than before the new law, when they used to guarantee you bareback sex with a number of wonderful women for many hours.

    SG seem to have got the idea that what matters is how you describe things (it really isn't!) and nothing better illustrates that than the fact that they state in ads inviting the public to events that those events are not public events:

    http://fickanzeigen.net/sexpartys/in...?id=1500279164

    I say all of that as someone who has never been to an SG event but who would really like to go to one, so I hope they find a way to continue. But I have to say that I don't find their new concept even remotely convincing as a way of complying with the new law. Their approach seems to be based largely on wishful thinking and a misunderstanding of how courts approach statutory interpretation. I wish them the best of luck but I'm not confident of their chances of success and I certainly don't want to be the guy with his uncovered dick in an SG hole when the cops arrive!

  2. #466

    AO-swingers

    I also have noticed on most websites now that instead of gbang partys now they are swinger clubs. So if they are called swinger clubs then they also get away with the new law also. So AO will be allowed in them also. Is this the case? I'm not really sure about this new law. Can someone on here verify this. If the gbang performers have a male partner then they will get away with this new law and then say they are a swinger couple doing this for free.

  3. #465
    So the AO parties are getting around the new law by filming the events? And do they now ask you to fill out declarations? But if a guy is still paying to attend doesn't this prove he's paying for sex and therefore subject to the new laws? Why the fuck do politicians [CodeWord140] about with this? More important for Merkel should be the millions of fighting age Muslim migrants invited into her country.

  4. #464
    Quote Originally Posted by Leifeide  [View Original Post]
    I respect that you apparently prefer young Romanian "slaves" ...

    Peace and love.
    Yep, that sounds respectful to me.

    The Romanian girls are not typically slaves. They might be managed by some creepy, or even dangerous, guys. But they knowingly sign up for the job, and although there are strict restrictions on where and when they go, they are free to quit when they want to. If Romania ever gets a functional western economy, play for pay in Europe will become a lot more expensive.

  5. #463
    Quote Originally Posted by CeeJay1  [View Original Post]
    GB01 has been excessively cautious even before July 1 and I'm sure their fully conformed to the new laws. Actually they were preparing for this all along. Now their even offering to share the marketing license with the actors. If anything, they'll probably go overboard to keep within the new laws.

    Are they banning all forms of pornography? I mean, unless there's a direct form of financial transaction for sexual services recorded there really is no proof that such activity is going on. The film would display sexual gratification by all involved parties, which would be the only consideration involved. Much akin to the conventional pornography made long before, during and after these new laws took place, which hasn't change much, such as contracts and custodian held ID records. That would mean all Pornography is surveillance footage of prostitution. Unless the Pope is in town and he's introducing a Motion Picture Pornography Code I doubt the cameras will stop rolling.
    Indeed GB01 (and some others) did good legal research ahead of July 1st to understand what is (and what is not) possible under the new law. There was even a special legal council meeting in Bonn end of April where all relevant players from the industry where present (but probably some of the wise guys posting here and some organizing parties were not).

    After this, professional organizers adjusted their events with legal help in the right way, to comply to the new law (for example the changes you did see with GB01).

    As I wrote before, porn / movie / film / photo productions do not fall under the new law (that is stated in the specific "Begrundung" of the "Durhfuhrungs Verordnung") so when organized the right way, they do not have to worry at all.

    Other forms, like the way SG it is doing, might work too as a workaround, but for now I would not qualify it as watertight, we will wait and see.

  6. #462
    I am definitely not talking about Ceejay, with whom I have no problems at all. My opinion is that SL's massive efforts for various AO forums was not appreciated as it should have been, in particular by you. These forums performs best when we can all behave and avoid low level criticism against each other. I respect that you apparently prefer young Romanian "slaves" whereas I prefer the mature german porn stars. Especially those who perform well. These forums are meant to be a help for us with this passion and I firmly believe that we should focus on that, nothing else. If someone is happy with a place I think it's only fair that he shares his view and experiences. No need to attack him for his opinions, no matter how much you disagree.

    Peace and love.

    Quote Originally Posted by Myrrh  [View Original Post]
    Au contraire, Mon ami, I think it is actually good that there are some board members around like our Ceejay who are prepared to challenge the existing orthodoxy. We wouldn't want those SG MILFs sitting complacently on their spreading asses now would we?

    Number 1 rule. This is supposed to be a discussion thread and not a promotional twitter feed for your current favourite German club.

  7. #461

    Business as Usual

    Quote Originally Posted by SwingerLover  [View Original Post]
    And yes, this is definitely more water tight than the GB01 approach, because I can't find a thing in the ProstSchG that would exempt porn production from the scope of application.
    GB01 has been excessively cautious even before July 1 and I'm sure their fully conformed to the new laws. Actually they were preparing for this all along. Now their even offering to share the marketing license with the actors. If anything, they'll probably go overboard to keep within the new laws.

    Quote Originally Posted by SwingerLover  [View Original Post]
    I don't want to rain on their parade, but I believe that this course of action will put the participating guys under full jurisdiction of the ProstSchG. So do as you please. But don't say you weren't warned when you get a fine for up to 25000 for fucking a prostitute without condoms. In this case, prosecution should happen very quickly, since there is physical evidence of the disorderly conduct in form of a film, a contract and an ID shot.
    Are they banning all forms of pornography? I mean, unless there's a direct form of financial transaction for sexual services recorded there really is no proof that such activity is going on. The film would display sexual gratification by all involved parties, which would be the only consideration involved. Much akin to the conventional pornography made long before, during and after these new laws took place, which hasn't change much, such as contracts and custodian held ID records. That would mean all Pornography is surveillance footage of prostitution. Unless the Pope is in town and he's introducing a Motion Picture Pornography Code I doubt the cameras will stop rolling.

  8. #460

    Ze Ingleesh, you know?

    Quote Originally Posted by Leifeide  [View Original Post]
    This forum have to my deep regret been dominated by a certain Englishman, and that does no good for the forum.
    Au contraire, Mon ami, I think it is actually good that there are some board members around like our Ceejay who are prepared to challenge the existing orthodoxy. We wouldn't want those SG MILFs sitting complacently on their spreading asses now would we?

    Number 1 rule. This is supposed to be a discussion thread and not a promotional twitter feed for your current favourite German club.

  9. #459

    Nice to see you back SL

    It is a pleasure to see you back here SL. I was starting to think that you had given it all up. This forum have to my deep regret been dominated by a certain Englishman, and that does no good for the forum.

    It concerns me to read your views on the new law. I have no doubt that you know what you are talking about. Up to now I was determined to join GB01's event on Saturday.

    I think I speak on behalf of many fellow mongers when I say that your efforts here on the forum is highly appreciated and we hope you will continue to contribute.

    Quote Originally Posted by SwingerLover  [View Original Post]
    I can clearly see that it was completely pointless to return to this forum to straighten out some rumours. So I guess I'm going to quit again and you can see how you will do on your own.

    The Regulatory Authority of the City of Rheinbach did already look into the new SG-Parties party-concept, after some Dirtbag competiotion had reported them. The concept got approved, they didn't find anything wrong with it, the party on July 6th went on undisturbed, with the few guests that had actually been there. 4 guest couples had been there and just around 20 men, one of them the one who told me about this. Too bad that I missed that party. The tests are still done because the guests want it like that. And private women who don't get recompense for sex are not covered by the ProstSchG, regardless whether the venue or event falls under ProstSchG applicability or not.

    So the SG-Parties system works, despite of all the nonsense that's written here and elsewhere. Problem is that they can't run parties for just 15-20 guys. If they did, they'd be broke somewhere during next month. That's propably why they cancelled the Wlfrath-Party that was scheduled for July 11th. No use travelling halfway through Germany and back in order to take another loss.

    And yes, this is definitely more water tight than the GB01 approach, because I can't find a thing in the ProstSchG that would exempt porn production from the scope of application.

    Sure, if it's only some masturbation-porn flic with no other Persons involved, then that's not covered. If a woman gets herself a man (or more) for shooting porn for her own homepage, her MDH-Profile or some other platform and neither one of them gets any recompense for their sexual acts, than that's not covered by the ProstSchG either.

    But I'm pretty sure, that GB01, as well as Spermastudio and MEGA-Extrem still have to pay the women a pay of artists for their action. If they don't pay them, then the law doesn't apply. If they do pay them, then that's a recompense for a sexual act, and the law applies, regardless whether it's a porn production or not. The exemption for "sexual acts of a solely acting nature" does not work here, because other Persons present are very much actively involved.

    I had already suggested this course of action to Sexy-Susi nearly 2 years ago. Her husband then waved it away immediately, for the reasons I have just pointed out. Don't you thick that a clever guy like that would not have jumped at this opportunity immediately, if it were at all possible? Instead he was the first one to wave it away.

    What will go on undisturbed are the porn shootings of Sexy-Natalie in NRW and Melanie Moon in Kaiserslautern, because neither of them is asking for any recompense for sex.

    So you can fuck Melanie for free, if you bring a test of your own. If you have one done on-site, then it costs 30 , she has been doing her porn flics this way all year long. And she doesn't have to pay anybody for sex.

    Others propably do. And whereas MEGA-Extrem seem to be on extended summer vacation (as usual) and Spermastudio seem to carry on as before as if nothing has changed, GB01 now declares that the parties that used to cost 100 are now for free, but the tests that used to cost 30 now cost 100 . And in addition, if you don't register more than 48 hours in advance for the production in Stuhr on July 15th, the test will cost 120 . Now who's going to believe that?

    I don't want to rain on their parade, but I believe that this course of action will put the participating guys under full jurisdiction of the ProstSchG. So do as you please. But don't say you weren't warned when you get a fine for up to 25000 for fucking a prostitute without condoms. In this case, prosecution should happen very quickly, since there is physical evidence of the disorderly conduct in form of a film, a contract and an IDshot.

  10. #458

    Water Nightmare

    Quote Originally Posted by Myrrh  [View Original Post]
    Do I hope the SG approach works? To be honest I don't care either way. It is the same MILF, thick cut performers as before many of whom have attitude problems that are well documented. The only difference now is that you will have to sit through some boring 'crazy showtime / water dream act' shows before there is the chance of having any sex with the milfs.
    After a few twirls on the pole, they would be doing you a favor by reminding you of their half-baked bodies and insipid attitudes, especially if their pole performance is no more intriguing then their past performance. The only hole you'll be running for is the door.

    Quote Originally Posted by Myrrh  [View Original Post]
    I just hope the randy male stripper does not come anywhere near me after his show!
    Let alone, some of the women! Especially if you mixed them up with the male striper.

  11. #457
    For sure some men don't go to the parties because of the new law but also if the parties are completely legal I'm not too much interested in parties like this with only 3 pornstars (especially if I don't like 1 or 2 of them and maybe some men didn't want to pay the same price for half of the women) and reading on SG website seems that they made only show therefore some men can think that they don't make sex and maybe are not interested to fuck amateurs.

    I had very good sex with some amateurs, especially one in Karlsruhe, one in Ulm and one in Wulfrath and Rheinbach but isn't possible to know if an amateur will be in the party or not and some Others amateurs didn't like to have sex with every men.

    In Wulfrath normally the amateurs are many and active but in the Others places I never found many women in the parties, 2-3 in Rheinbach, never more than one in Karlsruhe and Morfelden and 4 in Ulm but only one was possible to fuck for me while the Others choosed only few partners for sex.

    For me the amateurs can be a good plus but not the reason for go to the parties and I don't know if I will made a trip to Germany again only for sex, but maybe I will be there for other reasons in September or October and I will try one party.

  12. #456

    Pointless effort on my part.

    I can clearly see that it was completely pointless to return to this forum to straighten out some rumours. So I guess I'm going to quit again and you can see how you will do on your own.

    The Regulatory Authority of the City of Rheinbach did already look into the new SG-Parties party-concept, after some Dirtbag competiotion had reported them. The concept got approved, they didn't find anything wrong with it, the party on July 6th went on undisturbed, with the few guests that had actually been there. 4 guest couples had been there and just around 20 men, one of them the one who told me about this. Too bad that I missed that party. The tests are still done because the guests want it like that. And private women who don't get recompense for sex are not covered by the ProstSchG, regardless whether the venue or event falls under ProstSchG applicability or not.

    So the SG-Parties system works, despite of all the nonsense that's written here and elsewhere. Problem is that they can't run parties for just 15-20 guys. If they did, they'd be broke somewhere during next month. That's propably why they cancelled the Wülfrath-Party that was scheduled for July 11th. No use travelling halfway through Germany and back in order to take another loss.

    And yes, this is definitely more water tight than the GB01 approach, because I can't find a thing in the ProstSchG that would exempt porn production from the scope of application.

    Sure, if it's only some masturbation-porn flic with no other Persons involved, then that's not covered. If a woman gets herself a man (or more) for shooting porn for her own homepage, her MDH-Profile or some other platform and neither one of them gets any recompense for their sexual acts, than that's not covered by the ProstSchG either.

    But I'm pretty sure, that GB01, as well as Spermastudio and MEGA-Extrem still have to pay the women a pay of artists for their action. If they don't pay them, then the law doesn't apply. If they do pay them, then that's a recompense for a sexual act, and the law applies, regardless whether it's a porn production or not. The exemption for "sexual acts of a solely acting nature" does not work here, because other Persons present are very much actively involved.

    I had already suggested this course of action to Sexy-Susi nearly 2 years ago. Her husband then waved it away immediately, for the reasons I have just pointed out. Don't you thick that a clever guy like that would not have jumped at this opportunity immediately, if it were at all possible? Instead he was the first one to wave it away.

    What will go on undisturbed are the porn shootings of Sexy-Natalie in NRW and Melanie Moon in Kaiserslautern, because neither of them is asking for any recompense for sex.

    So you can fuck Melanie for free, if you bring a test of your own. If you have one done on-site, then it costs 30 €, she has been doing her porn flics this way all year long. And she doesn't have to pay anybody for sex.

    Others propably do. And whereas MEGA-Extrem seem to be on extended summer vacation (as usual) and Spermastudio seem to carry on as before as if nothing has changed, GB01 now declares that the parties that used to cost 100 € are now for free, but the tests that used to cost 30 € now cost 100 €. And in addition, if you don't register more than 48 hours in advance for the production in Stuhr on July 15th, the test will cost 120 €. Now who's going to believe that?

    I don't want to rain on their parade, but I believe that this course of action will put the participating guys under full jurisdiction of the ProstSchG. So do as you please. But don't say you weren't warned when you get a fine for up to 25000 € for fucking a prostitute without condoms. In this case, prosecution should happen very quickly, since there is physical evidence of the disorderly conduct in form of a film, a contract and an IDshot.

  13. #455

    Water load of nonsense

    Quote Originally Posted by Maxime  [View Original Post]
    Ok, so Jessy Jay, Linda Lush, Gundula, etc DO get paid, but do NOT perform sexual actions with the male guests present? Certainly a reason not to come to these "parties" anymore. Only the amateur couples / wifes who do it for free are available for sex? Much like a swinger club, and then indeed this is not covered bu the new law.

    Or different things happen there than advertised?
    So this is the brainwave that SG have been working on over the past 2 years since it became known that the law was coming into force?

    SG will have the same performers as before but now they perform a few twirls around a pole and spray themselves with water in a 'water show' before towelling themselves down and then getting down to the gangbangs as they did before the law change. The performers get paid only for the strip shows and not for the sex which is gratis.

    The authorities spent hundreds of thousands of taxpayers money on bringing in this new law but they did not see this coming? Who is going to volunteer to write to the authorities and say "Dear Mr Legislature, let me the first to tell you just how truly dumb you really are".

    The authorities are not going to see through this farce and bring a court action that the strip shows are just a front for what is clearly illegal activity? The adverts for the events by SG make clear in writing that attendees are obliged to undertake an HIV test before they are granted entrance. So clearly sex is planned rather than the performers deciding, on the spur of the moment, that they were so turned on by the strip show performance that they had just given that they just had to have impromptu sex with the attendees for free right there and then.

    Apparently this approach is far more legally water tight than the SS and GB01 approach of getting guys to register as actors for film productions? It would seem that you don't need highly paid lawyers if you can find a simple loophole like what SG stumbled upon.

    Do I hope the SG approach works? To be honest I don't care either way. It is the same MILF, thick cut performers as before many of whom have attitude problems that are well documented. The only difference now is that you will have to sit through some boring 'crazy showtime / water dream act' shows before there is the chance of having any sex with the milfs.

    I just hope the randy male stripper does not come anywhere near me after his show!

  14. #454

    SG July 11th event canceled

    I booked into this July 11th event and lo and behold it was canceled due to a lack of interest.

    http://www.sg-parties.com/

    That's too bad as it appears that there were 12 couples booked to go as well. I was really looking forward to this.

  15. #453

    The shows are a good reason to come to these parties. As good as any.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maxime  [View Original Post]
    Wow, months of silence and now this comes out.........?
    At least now I don't get to read Bullshit about a "law" that didn't exist last year.

    Ok, so Jessy Jay, Linda Lush, Gundula, etc DO get paid, but do NOT perform sexual actions with the male guests present? Certainly a reason not to come to these "parties" anymore. Only the amateur couples / wifes who do it for free are available for sex?
    What women do privately on their own time is no one's business than their own.

    Question: Do you think a barkeeper is prohibited from having drinks at his workplace after his shift is over?

    Here's another one: Do you think Gundula isn't allowed to let herself get fucked for free? Nuff said!

    Much like a swinger club, and then indeed this is not covered bu the new law.
    You got that right.

    Or different things happen there than advertised?
    Everything that's advertised happens.

    Happily some organizers have better lawyers.
    I doubt that. GB01 for instance don't seem to have any lawyers at all, judging from their ads. Be careful with having ID shots done; from now on this may or may not make you an accomplice or an auxiliary person / vicarious agent. And speaking of GB01: What exactly happened to the five-figure sum of money they collected 2 years ago, supposedly to be used to file a lawsuit against the ProstSchG?

    Enjoy the non-sex strip shows SL!
    Thanks, I will. They are quite good. And a very nice bonus in addition to all the fucking going on.

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