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  1. #9527

    Canaries in the coal mine

    Quote Originally Posted by NNC1701  [View Original Post]

    The Dutch forum simply does not have any credibility left for me because for me it has become nearly impossible to filter out the genuine reports from the (fake?) advertisement or biased reports from men who have fallen in love with a hooker.
    Warahmatullahi wabarakatuh NNC1701! These words of reviewers remind of the ecstatic utterances (sathiyyāt) of the early poet Sufis when they jostled for honor in boasting contests (the famous mufāk̲h̲ara).

    Quote Originally Posted by Pistons  [View Original Post]
    In stock market forums this has been going on ever since internet started, and it was probably there it began.
    Astroturfing has got more sophisticated since then and settled like scum on every market pond. But there is something about FKKs that is different than pumping stocks or raving on movies and it is this: customers are the eyes and ears of the FKKs.

    Even the dumbest tourists have valuable information to contribute, precisely because they are the first to be targeted when things start to go wrong. The tourists are the canaries in the coal mine! By the time the more privileged customers realize something is amiss, it is too late: the fumes have spread too far, the gangs have taken over. Look at what happened to FKK Mainhattan and how all their bears decamped to Sharks last year. Where would Mainhattan be now if only they had listened to customers early on? With about three times as much revenue, most likely.

    From this, FKK managers should realize that honest reviewers are their friends not their enemies. It is not about customers vs FKKs or guys vs girls. It is about everybody working together to keep a clean business environment where consumers and providers can connect freely and without molestation. In this context trying to suppress feedback is like tying a blindfold around your head (or paying astroturfers and the truckling free-entry crowd to tie it for you).

    Quote Originally Posted by RogueNation  [View Original Post]
    There's German, Dutch and French boards with a lot of advertising and close connections to the clubs. Admins receiving free entry and in exchange deleting negative reports. You have to know and to consider this when reading reports. There's only a few boards with little advertising and and only one without. Make your choice.
    This sums it all up. But where is this hype-free oasis?

  2. #9526
    There's German, Dutch and French boards with a lot of advertising and close connections to the clubs. Admins receiving free entry and in exchange deleting negative reports. You have to know and to consider this when reading reports. There's only a few boards with little advertising and and only one without. Make your choice.

  3. #9525
    Quote Originally Posted by MrHo  [View Original Post]
    Congratulation on your winning of freedom and released from Prison De La Marriage LOL.
    Hey Mr Ho, it's 'prison du mariage ', stop watching Paris Hilton sextape again and again and go back to your French lessons!

  4. #9524
    Quote Originally Posted by Mongerer88  [View Original Post]
    It is easily seen outside of sex work. The hotels and tour guides that respond online to each review on TripAdviser simply get better overall review scores than hotels or tour guides who do not seem to know the site exists. We can argue pros and cons all day long. Of course it creates an upward score bias. On the other hand businesspeople and employees, including sex workers, might provide a better overall level of service if they feel part of the "community" that includes the customers.
    Well put. That is also an important side of the story. Reminds me on one time I stayed at an hotel which tried to cheat me for about 100 usd with a scam. I posted about the scam on tripadvisor and 20 minutes later the manager called me in my room and wanted to talk to me. It ended up with an apology and I deleted the negative review. Sometimes you just want to say fuck you to someone if you otherwise don't feel attached to them or have any wish to return.

    When it comes to girls in this business, they do have more leverage as long as you wish to return. Then again, how can someone know how long you wish to return? How well is the leverage established? And even if there is a difference between a 50 e and 150 e session to the girl, does that difference mirror itself for the guy? It is an interesting topic many people might want to think more about. Not just in this line of work. I do agree though that it must suck for a girl to read negative reviews about herself. There is allways a layer of ethics also included in this. But a service job is also a sales job, and marketing is still marketing.

    I just complained to my car rental company who charged me 81.30 e for not having filled the tank. It was just 7/8 full (it just dipped below 8/8 after I had entered the parking, and I though fuck it. A complete ripoff. They refused to do anything about it even if they charged 3.50 for 23.30 liters (which is over half a tank on 45 l). Not until I mentioned I would post every detail about it on several review sites. 1 hour later I got an e mail that they had refunded me most of the claim. So as customers in every sort of business, internet review sites are a very good thing.

  5. #9523
    I think some of you guys find darkness when there is actually some light.

    Sex work forums in which the ladies participate will produce relatively higher review scores with respect to the ladies who participate in those forums. The johns become forum friends with some of these ladies, in addition to purchasing sex from them. It is human nature for these guys to rank those ladies very highly. They interact with them online through posting, and saying negative things about them is rather awkward. Some guys find that getting to know the ladies outside of the purchased hour of sex, even if it is online interaction, enhances the overall John experience.

    For instance, the reviews on the esaschicas Madrid board are generally much more favorable than the reviews of the same lady on the Spalumi Madrid review board. The ladies are encouraged to actively participate on the esaschicas board, where the Spalumi board seems to get most of its revenue from banner advertising (a person gets a million pop-ups and redirects using Spalumi). And we certainly see it on the Montreal merb board. A lady who participates in the Discussion Forum will get better reviews than before she participated. This isn't mischief by the merb owners, it is human nature of the board participants.

    It is easily seen outside of sex work. The hotels and tour guides that respond online to each review on TripAdviser simply get better overall review scores than hotels or tour guides who do not seem to know the site exists. We can argue pros and cons all day long. Of course it creates an upward score bias. On the other hand businesspeople and employees, including sex workers, might provide a better overall level of service if they feel part of the "community" that includes the customers.

  6. #9522
    The opening for making hard baseless hyping is ofcourse higher if you have a rating system on girls. Like on Metacritic for example where the advertisements on the review sites normally promote good reviews by its journalists. An advertiser sometimes assumes good reviews in order to keep advertising.

    https://kotaku.com/metacritic-matter...-472462218/amp

    https://www.polygon.com/platform/amp...erling-opinion

    So even if every other person in the world disagree with you and consider some girl to be incredible, you might just be Jim Sterling and consider her a 7 out of 10.

    It is however the nature of capitalism. Internet sites needs income, and the income normally comes from advertisers which may stray the content on the sites. Either from an editorial standpoint. And there are several ways to do that, like getting rid of annoying posters or writers who goes against the agendas of the site (as mentioned regarding ijsberen for example), or by making their own accounts to post from.

    But this is not a forum thing. It is like this in all sorts of media, from newspaper and TV to radio. And trust has no merit in a capitalistic world where everyone is on their own. The entire system forces you into thinking egocentric. So make your own reviews. Make your own acquaintances, and go from there. Trust in hype is more about volume than content. And that is as far as it goes.

  7. #9521

    You can never know.

    It is impossible to know if someone is paid to do astroturfing or post on a wrong basis. In stock market forums this has been going on ever since internet started, and it was probably there it began. Even on ijsberen I found that my one girl at 6's was the most posted about girl. So on her at least it was accurate on hype levels. Just by counting posts.

    But do like McA says. Get multiple sources.

  8. #9520
    Quote Originally Posted by Polyamorist  [View Original Post]
    How do I know this? Because I've tried the experiment personally and that is what happens. I tried it last on ijsberenforum, but the same applies to most other review sites, including freiercafe, 6 profi, sexomercadobcn, etc.
    Take in information with a grain of salt, use multiple sources of info, speak with other mongers in the clubs, exchange PMs.

    Mongers are humans and all humans are inherently biased. Many men have different ideas of what constitutes good optics and what constitutes good service. Certain reviewers showing allegiance to a club may not be deliberately trying to misinform (or hype a certain club). Small things can change one's perception about a club completely. Sometimes the presence of one favorite WG can change one's perception about the club. One monger might have a preference for African WGs, so he might like FKK Babylon. Another monger might really like anal, and thus likes a certain club because he believes it is easier to get that service there.

    Other forums probably just see ISG as just a bunch of overpaying tourists who talk about the same 5 percent of WGs at the same two clubs. Anyone can easily say that their is also a herd mentality here as well. So lets not pretend that we are somehow holier than thou.

  9. #9519
    Quote Originally Posted by Polyamorist  [View Original Post]
    Asalamu Alaikum Pistons! If we're going to recommend review sites, I beg that we always add a caveat, something like this old post from the GT thread:

    I mean, there is always a danger people will just graze on stuff on ijsberenforum and take it at face value. I wish to warn forum readers who are less experienced than present company.

    Before you start reading a site like that and believing everything you see, here's an idea: try to get a sense of the community there by contributing useful information yourself. What you will usually find is this: if you write a positive review, it will be accepted without any problem, but as soon as you write anything negative, there is a strong chance it will be censored / edited. If it is not censored, then a number of moderators and longtime posters will jump on you and insult your race, your hygiene, and your behaviour to women -- all without having met you or knowing where you come from or actually the slightest thing about you.b.
    Very interesting points Polyamorist and I completely agree with you.

    It's also known as "astroturfing," which is trying to influence public opinion by creating a false grass roots movements (hence the name "astroturf" Here is a very interesting video and explanation from TEDx University of Nevada: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bYAQ-ZZtEU.

    The Dutch forum simply does not have any credibility left for me because for me it has become nearly impossible to filter out the genuine reports from the (fake?) advertisement or biased reports from men who have fallen in love with a hooker. Perhaps the audience of Dutch and Dutch-speaking Belgian FKK visitors who take the trouble to write something on a forum is just too small in order to have a reliable sampling of what goes on in the few clubs near the Dutch-Belgian border? For myself, the contrast between my own expectations and the things promised on that forum was just too big, and after quite a few disappointed visits to GT and LR I've decided to avoid those places.

    Of course one can find gems everywhere, if you have seemingly unlimited cash and time and are willing and able to visit several clubs every week like Sirioja, but for a relatively new guy like myself with a limited budget it's simply not feasible to follow that strategy. I just want to visit a club with lots of available sexy girls and where I can get laid. I'm not looking for "pancake-sessions," I'm not looking to be pressured into a session by girl just because I went with her last time, and I'm definitely not looking for long term expensive 'FKK-wife' relationship, but in GT and LR this is obviously too much to ask for.

  10. #9518
    Polyamorist,

    How would you describe the practise here on ISG regarding admins reading our posts before posting them? And sometimes holding them back or even rewriting them?

    Please recognize the the purpose of monitoring reports it not to aggravate you but to keep the forum free of SPAM. It is specifically because we put in the work to monitor posts that The Forum is relatively SPAM free.

    And you being in moderation is up to you because you constantly tried to discourage Members from Posting.

    And next time you will be banned.

    A3

  11. #9517
    Quote Originally Posted by DeltaIndigo  [View Original Post]
    She was really into me so the divorce was totally painless and there potentially could have been a lot of pain inflicted on me but she walked away without wanting anything.

    She did not know as I had written before but I think she sensed a gradual lack of interest on my part and different priorities, ie my travels.

    I actually adore women and think some women can shine even in their 40's, most do not but some age very well. The million dollar question is this, no matter how gorgeous she is, can anyone honestly be satisfied with just one woman, I do not think I can. My sexual drive is just way too high. Is there an ideal woman that can keep someone like me interested and engaged for a prolonged period of time, over 2 years, I am not sure and do not think so.
    So I wish her best of luck with her life then, I hope her financial situation is stable via her own income and her private life will be fulfilled once again by man who is not professional monger like us LOL.

    Well if I know of such woman to marry sexual active guy like you and I who often make mysterious travels, yeah sure I do know many girls like that. The solution is to marry FKK girls and as long as you got the cash to provide her, she will tolerate most things you do LOL.

    No money, No honey LOL LOL LOL!

  12. #9516

    Answers and the million dollar question

    Quote Originally Posted by MrHo  [View Original Post]
    Congratulation on your winning of freedom and released from Prison De La Marriage LOL.

    I hope you did not have to pay alot of money upon your release.

    However, ok she was tolerant, let you go free, and I assume she did not cheat on you with other guy while you are away, then. , why did you divorce? I mean it would have been good companion to have in house if you two got along and also ahh maybe you got to fuck your wife and after mongering with beautiful tute. It is hard to fuck wife who is old I guess?

    OK love is cool, I got it, but I always wonder how these husband managed to fuck their ugly old wives. I mean after 35 or 40 women tend to be finished and this begin actually at age 30. I mean even the presentable middle age women are with Botox. Etc.

    I mean there is some strange vulgar odor to middle age women which begin after age 30. They get more vulgar, impulsive, opinionated and physically ugly. What is that, is that years of fucked up life women become like this after age 30 ?

    On the other hand, there are something so fresh and clean and beauty and cute in girls from age 18 till let say 24 or 25.
    She was really into me so the divorce was totally painless and there potentially could have been a lot of pain inflicted on me but she walked away without wanting anything.

    She did not know as I had written before but I think she sensed a gradual lack of interest on my part and different priorities, ie my travels.

    I actually adore women and think some women can shine even in their 40's, most do not but some age very well. The million dollar question is this, no matter how gorgeous she is, can anyone honestly be satisfied with just one woman, I do not think I can. My sexual drive is just way too high. Is there an ideal woman that can keep someone like me interested and engaged for a prolonged period of time, over 2 years, I am not sure and do not think so.

  13. #9515
    Quote Originally Posted by AllForBb  [View Original Post]
    For SB, need be careful if you are professional in academic. These SB can black mail you, and you can loss your job for harass your students.
    As I wrote in a previous answer I have never had one of my own students as a SB. I also have had tenure for almost 30 years. Hence, there would be no legal ground for firing. Actually, according to the laws of my country I am not forbidden to have sex with my students unless I am seriously misusing my position to get sex or if I would accept sex as a "bribe" to give her (or him) better grades (and in the later case the student would also be punished). What I am forbidden to do is to examine a student I am having sex with (or any relative, close friend or enemy) as I am that case would be considered to be biased. I can still teach the student, but another professor have to be the examiner as sometimes happens on my campus when a professor get his / her own children as students.

  14. #9514
    Quote Originally Posted by MrHo  [View Original Post]
    The problem is line up, I mean it really went down in quality a lot. We lived in golden age from 2009 till 2014 ish. After 2015, it is finished.
    Well, both you and me used to visit Artemis a lot in that period. So sure Artemis is not at the same level these days. But a club like Oase for example has a better lineup from 2015 until today than it had prior to 2015. At least optically. And service was about the same before 2015 just with less upselling. True the 50 e sessions at Oase has deteriorated, but its not due to optics. So it is not the same everywhere. Then there are also some new clubs the last 3-4 years too, like Oceans, Marina, Wellcum. Not all are in the same area sure, but these girls drift between the 20-30 top FKK's, so it really is one market to a high degree.

    Other clubs that has fallen are VV and PHG. They had great reviews 5 years ago. But today not so much.

    With many clubs it is just a matter of 2-3 top girls joining or leaving the clubs. That is all the difference between a great day and waste of time. Most clubs aside from the biggest 5-7 FKK's hardly ever have more than 5 stunners, and mostly just 2-3. So if those are away, its grim. And it can be a do or die for the club. Not to mention for the word of mouth regarding that club. At least if you are picky like some of us. Some others in here may even consider many clubs to be a 1 girl club. And may leave with no sessions on a third of their visits to many clubs. But that is how it is in smaller clubs. The problem with the bigger clubs on the other hand is more drama. More group gangs of girls posing restrictions on fellow girls at the clubs etc etc.

  15. #9513

    Sugar Babies

    Quote Originally Posted by Adamveden  [View Original Post]
    Is 3338 the number of girls, the number of encounters, or the number of intercourses with prostitutes?

    I am far from your number, but anyway lost count far ago. The reason I am asking is that I travel a lot in my profession (academic), but quite often when I am attending a conference or staying in the same city I usually have sex with one or two girls every night, but I rather often visit the same brothels / FKK during the stay and several times have had sex with the same girl up to four times during a week. Hence, the number of girls will be less than my number of encounters. And because of overnights with escorts the number of intercourse will be larger that the number of encounters. I also, at home, quite often tend to have one or two students as sugar babies for some period of time often until they graduate or get a boyfriend.
    For SB, need be careful if you are professional in academic. These SB can black mail you, and you can loss your job for harass your students.

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