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Today 14:02 #10343
Posts: 3582Originally Posted by Optimist [View Original Post]
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Today 10:28 #10342
Posts: 3582Polyamorist. Nice post.
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Today 10:21 #10341
Posts: 3582Originally Posted by MrHo [View Original Post]
As you say, sometimes even dogs are better companions than spouses
Arigato
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Today 10:01 #10340
Posts: 3582Originally Posted by JimmyBoy99 [View Original Post]
As for traditional wedding vows, let us forget them: they until recently required women to obey their husbands! But as you say, any relationship where there is dishonesty, needs some work.
We can discuss this at length, but I think it is better we let isg members choose their own ways of living, married, single, polyamorist, or whatever
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Today 07:33 #10339
Posts: 2611Originally Posted by Jnpr30 [View Original Post]
Furthermore, this is not university essay or business paper, it is merely a chit chat forum, no need to be perfectly correct with spelling etc.
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Today 06:32 #10338
Posts: 831Originally Posted by Optimist [View Original Post]
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Originally Posted by Optimist [View Original Post]
Marriage is traditionally supposed to be a partnership, with each party contributing their resources for the benefit of the family unit. Use of those resources, except on a De minimis basis, is supposed to be a joint decision and the resources used for the benefit of the family unit, unless they have freely and without coercion decided otherwise. Secretly spending thousands of dollars on hookers is not a wellness issue, nor what a true partner does.
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Today 02:17 #10337
Posts: 632Originally Posted by Polyamorist [View Original Post]
Some of it is a matter of resource allocation. A lifetime spent with one single person would naturally lead to a very deep intimate knowledge. The more you divide your time, the more diluted the product. Not to say that you can't have meaningful more diluted relationships. Some may be more capable than others of dividing attention. Some may not be able to do it at all. Not all people are built to be polyamorous.
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Today 02:02 #10336
Posts: 1311Originally Posted by HungryStud101 [View Original Post]
I don't think ISG is technically equipped to allow editing exactly until someone replies to the original post; far more easier to allow editing based on a time stamp.
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Today 00:39 #10335
Posts: 280Originally Posted by TheCane [View Original Post]
From a polyamorist perspective I would say that any friend that tells you you cannot have other friends is not your true friend. Any business client who tells you you can't have other clients is not good business. And yes, even in love: it is not about ownership, it is not about monopoly. If you have a good thing, multiply it!
So basically I am glad that Optimist is as successful as he is, and he has no need to apologize for that success.
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Yesterday 22:12 #10334
Posts: 2611Originally Posted by Optimist [View Original Post]
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Yesterday 21:27 #10333
Posts: 3582TheCane.Your questions are diplomatic and you have raised this before. Maybe the way I write gives a false picture that I am after a high level connection and provokes these questions: I apologise for misleading. I don't want to turn this thread into a study of me: I am no model for anybody. (Btw I agree with your penultimate paragraph completely)
You ask why I am looking for the same thing from prostitutes as I have at home: the word "companionship " may be the same, but the quality is worlds apart. It is NOT the same thing, any more than a mass produced food item with cheap ingredients is the same as a top quality one: chocolate is a word which encompasses garbage and the heavenly.
I can see the sense of what you say. But there are other explanations. First, by the way, companionship and sex with my wife is great. When I visit clubs now I am not looking to fill a vacuum, but to meet radically different people from different backgrounds: in a small room naked eye to eye with a stranger it is easy to strip away to some extent the social constructs we live in normally. There are other ways of doing this but this is one I have found (and I like to see - and more- naked women). I don't look for a high level connection, just to learn and experience something new. 90% of the time I would be better off at home: but the 10% is worth it
A serious relationship with a prostitute would destroy the most important things in my life. I just look for girls I am comfortable with and like, and who appear to reciprocate. Probably I am no different to many club visitors: I suspect the way I write makes it sound more profound than it is.
If you want to continue then maybe PM?
Cheers.
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Yesterday 19:34 #10332
Posts: 2373Originally Posted by Takedown [View Original Post]
She gave him only two rules. "Don't ever bring one of those women to my house"! And don't spend too much money. I've known a lot of men in my life, and he's the only one I personally ever met who had that arrangement. So happy hunting! I know (from experience) that the swinging lifestyle is much, much more prevalent. Where husband and wife explore sexual relations with strangers together. Swapping. And even then, it's not easy to find a woman who will be down with that either. But, it's far easier than finding one who will let you see prostitutes on the side! That's just my life experience. Like I said, I sincerely hope you find what you need.
And speaking of Optimist, I have a legitimate question I want to ask. Really, Optimist. It's not meant to be a slight or an attack against you. But, Takedown holds you out as somebody who has "companionship" with your wife, and she allows you to be "transparent" in this hobby. In other words, she allows you to see prostitutes. Now, it just seems to me that when you do see prostitutes, your approach or "style" is to seek out and obtain some high level of "connection" and "companionship" with them. If you already have that with your wife, as Takedown suggests, then why do you place so much emphasis on having that with a prostitute too? I mean, that's what I get out of your posts, and I'm just trying to understand. If you have this wonderful companionship with your wife, as Takedown says, then why do you need to seek that out with prostitutes as well? At a starting point, it suggests to me that this companionship that you're getting at home isn't quite enough. Or, maybe it meets a different kind of need? I don't know. Just trying to understand. Maybe your "companionship" with your wife is not sexual in nature, like my friends isn't? And so you get that somewhere else? But as far as I know about him, he's not particularly seeking "companionship" with prostitutes either. He's just having fun and fucking. Just trying to understand.
Now, I've been in a particular stage in my life. And I like it! I don't want to ever get married. I'm pretty sure of that. But, I also know that I don't need to get married in order to have a companion! And, I also know that what I emphasized as being the most important things in life at 17 changed at 27, and on and on. About every decade a changed view of what's most important in life. And I see that continuing right into the twilight years. Where I'm going with this is that I can see a future where I don't want to monger so much anymore, if at all, in favor of. Companionship. Yes! Which I don't have to marry to have! But, I'm just not there yet, and living that life of being single and free and fucking pretty girls all over the world. But one day, that will come to an end. One way or the other, it's going to end. And, I hope I will be ready to welcome it. Maybe even with a little companionship! That's just not where I'm at yet. But I know things change with time. You can't stop change. Because change happens!
"You can teach an old dog new tricks" - Psychology Today.
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Yesterday 16:00 #10331
Posts: 632Originally Posted by TheCane [View Original Post]
Regarding companionship: you first used the term "indoctrination" to refer to my views on that. However, we both agree that companionship does not equal marriage. I have made all attempts to consistently use that term rather than marriage but remember you made the argument of indoctrination in relation to marriage, your assumption not mine.
Optimist referenced his open transparency with his spouse regrading this hobby. This shows his value for companionship and seems to be exactly what I want. Companionship and fucking multiple women. You on the other hand stated that you chose a life of being "single and free and fucking." You seemed pretty ecstatic about that lifestyle without mention of a desire for companionship so it seems to the reader that you don't value the latter, which is within your right. But that is the point of this subject, the value of companionship versus freely fucking.
Regarding age:
"It is not the years in your life but the life in your years that counts." -Adlai Stephenson.
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Yesterday 14:03 #10330
Posts: 3582Originally Posted by XXL [View Original Post]
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Yesterday 13:55 #10329
Posts: 3582Originally Posted by Polyamorist [View Original Post]
1. In most cases it will be that the girl has a high Emotional Intelligence and can tune in to many different guys. It is real but it is only within a commercial relationship. If the girl and client are stable then it can work as a club relationship. (a sub division would be whether or not the girl is consciously turning on the Emotional Intelligence or it is intrinsic to her core).
2 More often the girl and guy are emotionally vulnerable and one or other plays games, either intentionally, or out of their emotional uncertainty. The risk of harm in these cases is high. This is where it is important for both parties to get out, but it is hard to do so.
3. The situation grows so that it moves into a non- commercial and non-club relationship. This is rare, and leads swiftly either to break up, or more rarely, a lasting relationship.
The problem is trying to work out what exactly is happening in any particular case.
Of course, many guys will choose the less complex and risky option of fuck and go.
Cheers.