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  1. #8428
    FKK scene is un-replaceable, even if CBJ ill go there as long as ill find many cute slim girls. I don't think the new law will effect a huge change. Maybe some guys won't go there because of CBJ. BUT many others will still go of course. And I guess girls will sell BBJ as an extra. Few days and will see what will happen.

  2. #8427
    Quote Originally Posted by BananaBoi  [View Original Post]
    Is the sex trade legal in Hungary, Czech, Serbia, Croatia, Portugal, or Poland? These are the Euro countries I am interested in.

    Are girls found in a strip club / bar environment or mainly incalls/outcalls?
    We should divide this up. I will take Portugal since I know a bit about the scene.

    I presume the FKK guys are going to approach this from a worst case perspective of no longer being able to obtain a BBBJ in Germany and needing to expire the continent in search of one instead of experiencing that unpleasant and sometimes painful process of a lady trying to get him erect while sucking on a rubber. Personally, I fucking hate CBJs. But I doubt that Germany will really decline into this kind of a wasteland.

    Prostitution is decriminalized in Portugal except for the usual pimping and exploitation restrictions. So no problems for customers.

    There are plenty of BBBJ and BBBJTC availabilities in Portugal, and the country does not have an upselling culture. A great number of providers do anal, and even that is not generally upsold. Those facts, in addition to the low hotel costs and excellent tourism opportunities is the good news. The bad news is that most FKK guys like the club culture and the best looking girls and the best sexual services are not associated with the clubs or brothels. The other bad news is that the lowest cost ladies who happen to provide excellent service, including BBBJs, are often difficult for a non-local to easily access.

    The clubs such as Gallery get started very late at night. Most reports indicate that customers pay 150-200 euros to take the ladies back to their hotels, after buying lady drinks, and a tremendous number of the reports indicate that they received a CBJ. I haven't been impressed with the reports I have read.

    There are several walk-in brothels in Lisbon. The largest of which are Michelles, New Center and New Lux. Prices are good at 60 euros for half hour and 100 euros for an hour. No upsells. If she does it, she does it. Some guys report having gotten BBBJTC, anal and 2 cums for 100 euros. Unfortunately, it appears that likely less than half the ladies do BBBJ. You pretty much have to ask beforehand, often to the madam after the line-up. Also, most guys who have been to FKKs and the Lisbon walk-in brothels report being disappointed in the Lisbon line-ups. I have always found a fuckable one, but I admit that there are often many unattractive ones. What is worse is that these places are way behind the times, ignoring the Internet, emails, whatsapp, etc. Consequently, the line-ups appear to get more Milfy every year, as younger girls just do not like the old fashioned shift work of a line-up brothel. The addresses are in the Lisbon forum and they are easy to find in the city center.

    There is a very strong system of incall independents and very small brothels in Lisbon frequented by the locals. The reviews appear on a website called gp-pt.net. Prices are great, generally 40-50 euros for half-hour and 80-100 euros for an hour. Based on most of the reviews, the women are usually in their 30's and 40's (but a few in their 20's) and the service level is very high. BBBJ is standard and the local guys are pretty damn demanding. No shilling or love gushing on that board. The problem is that these ladies do not seem to market to non-locals. They often have just a phone number with no whatsapp icon. A person has to call them, discuss the price, and worst of all find their incall location in a city that is not easy to navigate. So a John might have some communication and taxi costs, assuming he has managed to communicate well enough with her to get that far.

    The good news is that there is one escort service and a number of independents who speak English and / or use technology to market to and serve non-local customers. A few of those independents offer incall for the lower price range, but most focus on outcall sessions for 150 euros that includes BBBJ and multiple pops in the hour (and CIM and anal if she does those). That is problematic for a lot of FKK enthusiasts since they prefer the club environment and multiple half-hour sessions. That having been said, the quality of the well-reviewed escorts in Portugal at the 150 euro an hour range is quite good and BBBJ is standard. I link to two such ladies who have gotten nothing but good reviews and have no reports of upsells. Carlota is with the excellent agency that lists the services offered with no upsells on each lady's profile. A word of cation though. All the ladies listed as owo and CIM do so based on the reviews. But a few of the ladies listed as only owo are occasionally reported to only do BBBJ for a short period of time prior to applying the condom. Not all of them, of course, but if a lengthy BBBJ is desired, it is better to choose from a CIM lady. And most of the ladies with the best reviews are in fact CIM ladies. This agency gets the most young, hot ladies, and most of the hot, young independents advertise on apartadox.

    These three links are just examples since all are favorably reviewed here on ISG. A scroll through the escortprivada site and the apartadox ads shows what is available, not all of whom have been reviewed.

    http://escortprivada.com/escort/carlota-dalmeida/

    http://escortprivada.com/escort/ana-castro/

    https://www.apartadox.com/Acompanhan...rais-3310.html

    Anyway, long post to simply say that plenty of hot girls doing BBBJs are available in Portugal, but it will not please the FKK guys to find out that most of that is only available to a non-Portuguese speaker by accessing outcall from a provider (or her escort service) marketing to non-locals. Foreigners are welcome at the brothels and clubs, but hot girls doing BBBJs are often difficult to find, and many of the sex workers do not market to non-locals and are difficult to book.

  3. #8426
    Quote Originally Posted by BananaBoi  [View Original Post]
    Is the sex trade legal in Hungary, Czech, Serbia, Croatia, Portugal, or Poland? These are the Euro countries I am interested in.

    Are girls found in a strip club / bar environment or mainly incalls/outcalls?
    Czech is difficult unless you know it well. There is the easy spots like Sexy Sauna and the semi-scammers at Darling Cabaret ofcourse, but the good service is rumored to either only be for locals, or you need to know the city very well. As someone not living there, I found it hard. I probably need a local contact. In darling cabaret (strip club), it is illegal. So thats why the girls make these semi scams. But I am unsure if it is illegal everywhere in czech rep...

    Poland is rumored to have quite a few ukrainian freelancers now after the war in ukraine. Especially in Krakow and Sopot. But maybe in other locations too. No idea about other countries. Stay away from Latvia though. That place is bad. Slovenia has FKK Marina which has very good reputation. But aparently the police sometimes makes run ins, and who knows what they'll do? It is after all illegal there. Maybe they have paid of the cops?

    Best strip club I have been in by far was in ukraine. But there it is very illegal to sell sex. But ofcourse if you have a crazy budget, you might get any stripper in ukraine out the strip clubs. Same probably goes for most other eastern european country. But they will demand higher prices when knowing you are not a local, and it won't be cheap... Eastern europe has tons of strip clubs, but girls are mostly in apartments. And some clubs you can find freelancers. To me, nowadays, strip clubs are just wasting my time...

  4. #8425
    How is the scene in Czech Republic? Is it comparable to FKK or Germany in general?

  5. #8424
    Quote Originally Posted by BananaBoi  [View Original Post]
    Is the sex trade legal in Hungary, Czech, Serbia, Croatia, Portugal, or Poland? These are the Euro countries I am interested in.
    I've mongered in The Czech Republic and Poland. Although I had some good encounters in those countries, I was not happy with the overall options or service levels, and have not returned. Nor do I plan to. Portugal seems to be interesting with a very strong escort scene.

  6. #8423
    Quote Originally Posted by LovePalace  [View Original Post]
    Thailand, but inside Europe it could be Hungary, Serbia, Portugal, Ukraine. All low cost countries for travel and hotels. Serbia and Ukraine perhaps best options outside EU as the laws perhaps will be equal inside EU.
    Is the sex trade legal in Hungary, Czech, Serbia, Croatia, Portugal, or Poland? These are the Euro countries I am interested in.

    Are girls found in a strip club / bar environment or mainly incalls/outcalls?

  7. #8422
    Quote Originally Posted by LovePalace  [View Original Post]
    Thailand, but inside Europe it could be Hungary, Serbia, Portugal, Ukraine. All low cost countries for travel and hotels. Serbia and Ukraine perhaps best options outside EU as the laws perhaps will be equal inside EU.
    I live in Toronto. If German FKK industry declines or becomes too expensive I will stay home. Local Escorts and Massage Parlors with all extras are not cheap but reasonably priced. Service level is Ok. The only city in North America better than Toronto is Montreal. Prices lower selection OK, service better.

    I realize that Toronto cannot be recommended for Europeans but all US mongers welcome to Toronto / Montreal. Reading local boards I can see how many Americans travel to Toronto hunting for the sex.

  8. #8421

    Best new country for FKK

    Quote Originally Posted by Polyamorist  [View Original Post]
    While still too early to announce the collapse of the FKK system in Germany, what we can say is that of late this country has been showing a marked ambivalence, some would even say hostility, to its most popular child and cultural invention. The position of the innocent German monger is looking more and more like that of the proverbial frog in boiling water. Perhaps it is time to think about a successor FKK reich. We thank Germany for nurturing the seed, but can all agree that by now the FKK concept is bigger than one nation. But where will the torch be passed? I'd like to ask members to use their experience and fantasize a bit about where the FKK concept could really take root, taking cultural considerations into account. I'll throw up some ideas of my own:

    Switzerland -- no, too expensive.

    Austria -- no, anti-kissing.
    Thailand, but inside Europe it could be Hungary, Serbia, Portugal, Ukraine. All low cost countries for travel and hotels. Serbia and Ukraine perhaps best options outside EU as the laws perhaps will be equal inside EU.

  9. #8420
    Quote Originally Posted by Optimist  [View Original Post]
    As someone else said (Jnpr?) the registration requirements may have the biggest impact long term.
    Indeed we have been barking up the wrong tree when complaining about CBJ. The New Law for example also has a ban on girls living ("sleeping") where they work.

    I have this Czech girl in a Munich Laufhaus I've been visiting for over 10 years now. Since BBBJ have been banned in Bavaria by State Law for many years I was curious what she felt about the New Law. Some girls in Bavaria can be expected to sell BBBJ at a premium to regular customers but this girl is not even one of them. All the more for her to not give a damn about the New Law. She did though. She found the New Law a real problem. "We shall no longer be allowed to sleep on the premises" she complained. "I'll have to rent some place I don't need on top of the daily rent (170 Euro) I already pay here, WTF. At present when I finish work I just turn the key and lie to sleep till next day. Now I shall have to call a taxi in the dead of night to be driven to some godforsaken place in town. This is a waste of money and it isn't even safe. " She also theorized girls would contrive to rent a one-room apartment together to minimize costs but she herself wasn't prepared to live several girls to a room.

    Several girls to a room in the other side of town, not bad for a Law that calls itself "Prostitutes protection act" (Prostituiertensschutzgesetz"). Expect the toxic media to have a field day describing the "miserable conditions" of prostitutes "kept like chattel" 10 to a room in a garret (no doubt to be "preyed upon by pimps and greedy landlords").

    Now I challenge the anti-conspiracy members on this forum to explain what such provisions in the New Law are in aid of.

  10. #8419
    Quote Originally Posted by Polyamorist  [View Original Post]
    Believe it or not I was a passionate Brazil monger for years. Then I discovered FKKs and I forgot about Brazil. An FKK has many more facilities than a Rio terma, so you can hang about all day if you want to. Also, as I remember, in a terma you are basically limited to one race -- Brazilians -- whereas in an FKK you can fuck and chat to girls from many cultures, or at least you used to.

    But my knowledge is 10-15 years out of date. Has there been a renaissance? Maybe there is potential for termas to grow into FKKs? I would be interested in hearing more about this, and especially if there are "high service" termas where you don't run into sharks.
    I agree with you that on average the FKKs have superior facilities. But! The termas have the superior Brazilian women! And to be Brazilian is to be of a particular nationality. Not to be of a particular race! Brazil is a rainbow nation with all kinds of people living there who migrated from all over the world. As for what the scene is like now, I repeat what I said to Jymondor. Read the Brazil ROD and check out any new reports as they come in.

  11. #8418
    Quote Originally Posted by Optimist  [View Original Post]
    German forum members are more optimistic than most on this forum.
    There is certainly one cause for optimism, which is that the chances of an Isis attack on an FKK will be greatly reduced if nothing remotely sexy is happening in them.

    But from my perspective the chances of catching a CBJ in the near future are too great. The last time I had a CBJ was 2006 and I still have post-traumatic jitters. I am not just going to hang around and "see what happens". They said that about Brexit, the Sudetenland, the opening of Jurassic Park. Nope. Time to say bye-bye.

  12. #8417
    Quote Originally Posted by Neurosynth  [View Original Post]
    But the good news is that post-July-1st Germany is not going to be nearly as bad as some seem to expect. There is still going to be places where DFK is automatic. BBBJ and even AO will still be available, albeit with a not-huge extra charge
    At least the endless speculation should soon decline. For what it's worth, I think you may well be more or less right, especially if one avoids the sharker clubs.

    German forum members are more optimistic than most on this forum. Yes, everything will be more complicated but we shall see how things go. As someone else said (Jnpr?) the registration requirements may have the biggest impact long term.

  13. #8416
    Quote Originally Posted by Neurosynth  [View Original Post]
    I don't think the Netherlands will present a more open alternative to a post-July-1st Germany. Contrary to what I've read below, the RLD sessions are 50 Euro for *15-20 minutes*. Girls are increasingly demanding 100 Euro for a 30-35 minute session if the guy wants a session with multiple positions, touching everywhere, etc. Oh and this. Kissing and BBBJ is difficult to find. And AO is nearly impossible to find.

    That's in the RLD. Brothel service, IMHO, has gotten worse rather than better over the years.

    But the good news is that post-July-1st Germany is not going to be nearly as bad as some seem to expect. There is still going to be places where DFK is automatic. BBBJ and even AO will still be available, albeit with a not-huge extra charge tacked on.

    In short, my prediction is that after July 1 the best choice will be Germany!
    Don't You know NL clubs: YY very close to GT and 6 ens close to Aachen, for free BBBJ for 50/30 mn.

    I think some NRW girls may move there. Kim. Ro GT moved.

  14. #8415
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCane  [View Original Post]
    Brazil! They even already have the sauna club culture in Rio de Janeiro. Can't believe you didn't even mention Brazil on your list! And it's not like you were just focusing on Europe since you mentioned the USA.
    Believe it or not I was a passionate Brazil monger for years. Then I discovered FKKs and I forgot about Brazil. An FKK has many more facilities than a Rio terma, so you can hang about all day if you want to. Also, as I remember, in a terma you are basically limited to one race -- Brazilians -- whereas in an FKK you can fuck and chat to girls from many cultures, or at least you used to.

    I still have a soft spot for Brazilian girls, e. G. Annie in Aca Gold. But after I left Brazil my assumption was that prices would go up and service would decline, which seems to be the sad pattern in most places of the world.

    But my knowledge is 10-15 years out of date. Has there been a renaissance? Maybe there is potential for termas to grow into FKKs? I would be interested in hearing more about this, and especially if there are "high service" termas where you don't run into sharks.

  15. #8414
    Quote Originally Posted by Jymondor  [View Original Post]
    Can you please provide more details "for idiots" about Brazil? Or maybe you could lead me to the forum I see an read the basics& I have feeling that I might need alternate travel destinations other than German FKK. Austrian and Holland FKKs is very week substitution.
    My strong recommendation is that you just go to the Reports of Distinction for Brazil and start reading. You will pick up so much good information that way. For both Sao Paulo and Rio. Read the ROD, and that will give you a good idea. And then, you can ask follow-up questions in the Brazil threads.

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