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  1. #5886
    Quote Originally Posted by Prurient6  [View Original Post]
    Yeah, I'd say Japan was the last big successful US "nation building" effort out there, together with the similar effort in Germany, a country that benefited enormously from the visionary US Marshall Plan, as did pretty much all of war-torn Western Europe.
    Yup, Marshall Plan was what helped Europe get back on it's feet. US spent and provided so much aid in Europe to fight against instability, and therefore spread of communism.

    It was in the best Interest of US to spent money on getting Europe back on it's feet. Damaged economies are not the best trading partners. Germany can't pay back unless their economy was back up to their feet.

    Same goes for Japan as well. Part of combating spread of communism in the cold war era.

    The thought is, get the country's economy up by instilling US's economic philosophy, and prevent the influence of communism with instilling democratic idiology. Unstable country is susceptible to radical political parties to take over. This hinders the relationship and trade. Attempts were similar in Iraq with the instability during the US military presence there. Strategy was to get a stable government system going, but it was too much of a challenge as it's a different scenario there with the religious sects.

    No reason for the US to go as far as to get into country's stance on prostitution. Not on their agenda, more important things as mentioned above.

  2. #5885
    A Romanian investigative journalist specializing on organized crime and corruption sourced from the Eastern block.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UwINWtd5J4

  3. #5884
    Quote Originally Posted by McAdonis  [View Original Post]
    Some explanation of what the "lover boy" method is, as defined by authorities in RO:

    https://youtu.be/FsRoPDWrC1o

    This video of incarcerated pimp explains two other recruiting methods, one where the girl knows upfront that she will be working as a WG in destination country, and one where the girl is offered a fake employment contract as a waitress:

    https://youtu.be/HUBd0v2Fq-I
    Well there is slight difference between pimp and [CodeWord908]. Waitress method is more like [CodeWord908].

    However, I wonder how HA do Pimping business. I mean how do you convince girls to work in FKK and give us money? It is pure mystery to me.

  4. #5883
    Well personally, I think USA is fair nation as long as they give you some kind of respect as they tend to look down on any nations and to us, I must say they have been fair to us because they could make things worst for us as we thought they would, but they really did not.

    As for hating. We are more of get over it and recover race than hating, like it would make some sense to make big deal about atomic bomb, of course it was not nice, but it was war. So we understand evil thing happened and we also did evil things too, so it is in our mentality to get over it and look together into future.

    So this is our mentality not playing victim, and look in past, but look for future. We did bad thing they did bad thing, now we are one looking into future. USA is our biggest friend and allies and in part we owe them our success.

    However. Our neighbor nations in Asia tend to be different and opposite to us. They love dwell on past, keep on asking for money and apology. Though we apologize and gave them billions many times.

    Anyways, I feel we should always be together with USA and our relationship develop further. We used to be biggest enemies, now we are among the closest allies that can be found in world, it is good example of how two nations can hate each other, but just in 50 years become close friends.

  5. #5882
    Quote Originally Posted by McAdonis  [View Original Post]
    Some explanation of what the "lover boy" method is, as defined by authorities in RO:

    https://youtu.be/FsRoPDWrC1o

    This video of incarcerated pimp explains two other recruiting methods, one where the girl knows upfront that she will be working as a WG in destination country, and one where the girl is offered a fake employment contract as a waitress:

    https://youtu.be/HUBd0v2Fq-I
    Fascinating, thanks for finding those. I think it is more than obvious that if prostitution were legal and open everywhere, all these guys would lose their business. They can only make good money because it is illegal in many places--analogous to drug dealers.

  6. #5881
    Yeah, I'd say Japan was the last big successful US "nation building" effort out there, together with the similar effort in Germany, a country that benefited enormously from the visionary US Marshall Plan, as did pretty much all of war-torn Western Europe. Eastern European countries on the other hand were left for Stalin to devour as he pleased. Interestingly, Romania occupies an unusual role among those; it had been a war-time ally of Nazi Germany for some time, and as such, one could argue it deserved its Stalinist post-war fate--except that it is always the common folk who end up suffering most. And speaking of that, I would argue that dropping two nuclear bombs on Japan was unnecessary and sadistic; the US could have started with a victimless warning by dropping just one over the ocean or over uninhabited land, but I can just imagine the hawks (then as now) arguing for immediate, devastating "shock and awe. " Gruesome how those who carried that out joyously celebrate the anniversary every year--never before or since has a single button push (or lever pull, whatever) led to such massive (civilian) human suffering and annihilation. Mr. Ho, what's your take on this?

    But on the topic of FKK, I think it's nice of the US not to impose their own prehistoric anti-prostitution stance on Germany. After all, at least since Edward Snowden everyone knows their reach extends deep into German society, as formerly secret treaties have been revealed. A toast to US generosity, in allowing Germany to keep its FKK clubs! As a result, German men, descendants of Nazis, can simply go to the nearest club and select from a plethora of beautiful, available women, which they can fuck for money in a safe, comfortable, relaxed and affordable environment. On the other hand, American men, descendants of those who destroyed the Nazis, have to cruise dark streets in search of drugged-up street hookers, some of whom may turn out to be robbers or police decoys. Booking call girls over the internet can have the same outcome--a single mistake can ruin one's day or your life. All because one wanted a bit of tail, how humiliating. Any American men reading this? How can you guys let this stand?

  7. #5880
    Some explanation of what the "lover boy" method is, as defined by authorities in RO:

    https://youtu.be/FsRoPDWrC1o

    This video of incarcerated pimp explains two other recruiting methods, one where the girl knows upfront that she will be working as a WG in destination country, and one where the girl is offered a fake employment contract as a waitress:

    https://youtu.be/HUBd0v2Fq-I

  8. #5879
    Quote Originally Posted by MrHo  [View Original Post]
    It is opposite culture of Germany and Japan. After we lost war. We became extremely poor and in bad situation in the world. But we kept our head down, using our brain and worked and those who got rich did not leave the country, but invested in the industries that created our strong hold in world economy in most areas whether it is car, bank, technologies etc.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhzCuL4g1Jw

  9. #5878
    Quote Originally Posted by PussyLiccker  [View Original Post]
    Here is an article with some investigation done. Some anecdotes on circumstances of some Romies got into, and how it came to being.

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/...-a-902533.html
    This is flat rate club in Berlin, so I understand how it should be abolished, but it is with regret that FKK Artemis which do not carry out such service or practice was raided with allegedly 900 police.

    I mean. What did police expect from Artemis. Full tactical gear blow back? I mean there are like 5 securities max not even, prostitutes, horny clients in robe with rubber slippers and reception ladies and barmaids there.

    It would be nice to attack flat rate brothel like in article and not FKK.

  10. #5877
    Quote Originally Posted by PussyLiccker  [View Original Post]
    Here is an article with some investigation done. Some anecdotes on circumstances of some Romies got into, and how it came to being.

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/...-a-902533.html
    Aha, thanks. Here is one thing that surprised me: 'When girls in Moldova are 15 or 16, says Cora's psychologist, their brothers and fathers often say to them: "Go out and make some money. " ' Very similar to the Thai "tradition" of sending young girls to the cities to work in "bars" and sustain the whole family.

    BTW, while the article is to some extent well-researched, it draws the usual, fundamentally flawed conclusions. There should be no debate ever about whether selling or buying sex should be made illegal in country that calls itself free, just like there isn't one about selling or buying any other services, be that manicure, massage, housework, medical treatment, car wash or tax preparation. That should always be the end of such a discussion; no self-respecting journalist should write about anything else, and any politician or "academic researcher" who advocates legislation to the contrary should immediately be ridiculed as antidemocratic. Alas, people don't really understand what freedom means, and legislators with various hidden agendas take advantage of that, as they did in the (still-Victorian) US a hundred years ago, or more recently in leftist-dictatorial Sweden, and just now in backward France.

    That said, some of those flat-rate brothels sound horrible, and government regulation of such shitholes is probably necessary. But then, blackmail, physical abuse and torture have always been illegal and should be prosecuted independently of the legal status of prostitution. Not surprisingly, the article doesn't take such a reasonable and logical position; instead, it implies (without actually spelling it out) that the Swedish model is ideal, when in fact that model represents a totalitarian aberration. Germany is not behind Sweden, it is years ahead of them. Most problems exposed are the result of Germany being the only such advanced country, of prostitutes not being aware of their rights, as well as of lax enforcement of those rights.

    But anyway, I am probably preaching to the converted here. I just get really mad whenever I read one of those holier-then-thou "investigative journalism" pieces on prostitution which invariably always come to the same idiotic result.

  11. #5876

    Romanians are Latin people

    Romanians are only Latin people in whole eastern Europe, so they are more friendly and open to things including sex, plus Romania is very poor country.

    Materialism is everywhere, but in some nations it is more rebound of past, like eastern Europe they used to communist and everyone lived under suppression, so when capitalism came and they are free from suppression, they explode with easy money they got.

    Plus it created class culture and bit cannibalistic culture where they get rich, they leave the country.

    It is opposite culture of Germany and Japan. After we lost war. We became extremely poor and in bad situation in the world. But we kept our head down, using our brain and worked and those who got rich did not leave the country, but invested in the industries that created our strong hold in world economy in most areas whether it is car, bank, technologies etc.

    However, since we worked for it, we tend to have tendency to be more conservative when it comes to buying material because we know what it took us to get to the top and simply both nations education system are pretty solid.

    It is hard to determine exactly about the behavior difference of different countries, but the nations past, history, culture, and characteristic tendency reflect on how people behave, its industries and how wealthy the nation is and if it will sustain being on the top level or not.

  12. #5875
    Here is an article with some investigation done. Some anecdotes on circumstances of some Romies got into, and how it came to being.

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/...-a-902533.html

  13. #5874
    In US, materialism and consumerism in the 80's often pointed out. The example you pointed out is of somebody that has ran into an expensive or regarded as better quality product, relaying that to folks that are not able to experience. Showing off or very narrow mindedness. This kind of activity goes on with people in such scenarios all over. In difference level of economic situations there are different level of that goes on.

    You got the ipads, macbooks, iphones, brand clothes, and they are available everywhere. You just see it more commonly in some places over others. Rarer it is, a bigger group of envy I presume. More people able to afford, it just become more common. Not a big deal.

    What is common to the section I pointed out in the study is that those places in Europe were going through a transition, in those specific cases were from communist era with peeople were deprived of goods or the funds to afford luxury(in relative terms).

    As far as general materialism, it's not linked to a nation, but circumstances. In every nation there are those that are more materialistic over others. Perhaps some might be in the level of being parallel to addiction. Addiction meaning something that not necessarily of high importance becoming central if observed by a normal person.

    You got rich folks that is able to afford expensive toys. You got middle class takes high importance to material things. You got poor folks that would rather place high importance in material goods as priority.

  14. #5873
    Quote Originally Posted by PussyLiccker  [View Original Post]
    Materialism is not something that is so straightforward to be studied. It's hard to define it, and say set a of people are more over others. There are circumstances the create desires for material goods. These are studies based on questionnaires. Dunno how much that is worth. .
    Phenomenon that ROs spend more on "status" items relative to their income level is well documented. My observations of RO civilians is mostly limited to the time I spent in Italy. I acknowledge that the Romanians in Italy would represent the extreme end of the spectrum, since people who migrate tend to do so because they are chasing economic opportunities.

    Did some more Google searches. This is an interesting read:

    https://books.google.de/books?id=SAM8fWf8kEsC&q=show+off#v=snippet&q=show%20 off&f=false.

    Author lists many examples:

    Basically ROs would starve in Italy, just so they could use that money to buy expensive things to "show off" back in their village in RO. If they can't afford to buy expensive things, they borrow expensive things. When they go back to the village, they ask "can I have biscotti with my ice cream?" or "Do you serve coniglietto? They know damn well no restaurant or ice cream shop in RO serves that. They do it to show off, that they've been in Italy.

  15. #5872
    Quote Originally Posted by Prurient6  [View Original Post]
    Thanks for the interesting reads. The first link you gave does not work because the site's software over-aggressively re-formats text. You have to copy the partial link, then append the remainder of the line but omit the spaces (make sure your browser does not translate them into percent two zero as you paste into the address bar) and make the upper case P in Pdf lowercase, as well as omit any final period. I'm trying to paste the correct link below by manually moving the URL tags; if you still cannot click on it, you have to follow the instructions in the preceding sentence:

    http://yoksis.bilkent.edu.tr/pdf/fil...95)00035-6.pdf

    The USG site uses the same software and has the same problem by the way.
    Long freakin document. Here is the interesting tidbits that provides some insights:

    "Before the 1989 Romanian revolution, in order to erase the international debt Nicolae Ceau escu had imposed 15 years of severe shortages and rationing of food, heat, water, electricity, gas, and other basics (Belk and Ger, 1994). Queues were ubiquitous for bread, milk, flour, sugar, meat, and many other consumer goods. But now, suddenly, there is an explosion of consumer goods available. After such severe deprivation, the leap to materialism under the temptation of newly available and advertised goods (especially the formerly forbidden fruits of Western culture) is highly seductive. Romanians agree that materialism is exploding because of the lure of a rapidly expanded array of consumer goods (even if it is still quite modest by Western standards). Social comparison (Festinger, 1954) also plays a part, with Romanians inevitably comparing themselves materially to those who are now a bit better off. Similar developments have occurred in Ukraine, and to some degree in Turkey (Ger, 1992; Belk and Ger, 1994), both of which also experienced dramatic and sudden changes in their economic and political environments. It has been suggested that consumer desires are stimulated not only by relative deprivation, but also by a sudden realization of abrupt changes that make consumption a novel new possibility (Ger et al. , 1993). Interestingly, in our prior scale development work shortly before German reunification (Ger and Belk, 1990), Germany had the lowest materialism scores. The post-unification measurements within the German data show significant differences from the earlier sample in mean materialism scores (60.4 versus 54.0), as well as in nongenerosity (22.9 versus 20.1), envy (14.4 versus 12.0), and number of things perceived to be necessities (10.4 versus 8. 9). This too supports the interpretation that cultural change and unsettled social conditions are associated with greater levels of materialism. "

    Materialism is not something that is so straightforward to be studied. It's hard to define it, and say set a of people are more over others. There are circumstances the create desires for material goods. These are studies based on questionnaires. Dunno how much that is worth. I think sampling will vary depending on what sets. Social studies often suffer of expectation bias. Or sampling is not enough.

    I googled, and enough websites states China is, India is(above document says US is 2nd around the time of study, but others say not quite so high), and there are some variance to which country is the most materialistic(depends on how it's defined or the questionnaire, or other dependancies). I dunno if anybody has enough knowledge to generalize that a nation is more so over another.

    With wealth, you can buy a lot of stuff, expensive stuff. No money, you wish you could. No access, you can't buy. What you haven't seen, not on the wishlist.

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