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  1. #1623
    Quote Originally Posted by Bitumen  [View Original Post]
    The signs I saw were in German. Did they now put the signs in American?
    Alle girls in diesem club sind selbststandige unternehmerinnen und arbeiten auf eigene rechnung.

    This the sign that is outside most of the RTCs near the door as you come in. My German is non-existent, since I can't even count to 10 in it, so my interpretation of what the sign actually said may have been off kilter.

  2. #1622
    Quote Originally Posted by Optimist  [View Original Post]
    Bitumen. Great to hear your post. I am unclear which club you are talking about. Clarification? Sorry if I'm being dim.
    I am still trying to gauge the extent of this activity across the clubs. More research is needed, but indeed it seems in my experience it is going on.

    Several girls refuse to do the sex acts on the pole dance podium area. Okay. I can deal with that.

  3. #1621
    Quote Originally Posted by Myrrh  [View Original Post]
    I didn't realise that the receptionist was also one of the options now available for taking to the room? I always thought that she just took the entrance money and dispensed the towels.

    I really can't understand why you feel the need to discuss with the receptionist what you intend to do with the girls once you get to the rooms. Did you not see the other signs in the club saying "All girls in this club are independent entrepreneurs working on their own account"?
    Alice use to fuck (with condom). She is hilarious. Then there is the curly haired Romanian on reception. She is cool. She like it when we speak Romanian and then we swap to English. She tells it like it is since she know us. She would not fuck us if we were the last men on Earth.

    I always get my towel from the naked girl that open the door. It is better that way.

    The signs I saw were in German. Did they now put the signs in American?

  4. #1620
    Quote Originally Posted by Creature2  [View Original Post]
    Thanks for this field report.

    Has the price structure changed as reported earlier: so 30 Euro all in, means 30 Euro for 30 min or 20 min. And does is still include DFK. Or DFK is now extra, if so 10 Euro for this extra is still good in my opinion. Maybe I might try in September.
    I'm not a very good reporter I'm afraid. I was focusing on the main service at Dietzenbach, for which I paid 30 euros, no requests for extras. I didn't get DFK, which is my normal requirement, but as I said I was focusing elsewhere and had little time.

    If I remember the price sign said 30 for 20 minutes, but in both sessions it went over to 30 minutes: in fact one of them I had to stop the session as it was running over 30 minutes.

    A tangent: I got DFK at La Luna.

    Let me know by pm when you are around in September. I hope to be going too. It'd be good to meet up with the author of some great reports.

  5. #1619
    Quote Originally Posted by Optimist  [View Original Post]
    Myrrh is right that it is not a good idea to discuss far and wide what one is going to do in a room.

    I visited Dietzenbach today purely to see what the situation is for myself. As I cannot assume discretion by some ISG membets I will have to be extra circumspect.

    There were about 15 girls, about 6 men, and it had the usual deadening atmosphere. I went with one girl who was superb figure and decent service. Anyone who likes the club in the past will, on my tiny sample, continue to enjoy the club.
    Thanks for this field report.

    Has the price structure changed as reported earlier: so 30 Euro all in, means 30 Euro for 30 min or 20 min. And does is still include DFK. Or DFK is now extra, if so 10 Euro for this extra is still good in my opinion. Maybe I might try in September.

  6. #1618
    There are (1) code words that are understood, (2) code words that are not understood, and (3) poetic license producing narrative capable of differing interpretations, but for which the discerning reader can make decent educated guesses about the author's meaning. Option 3 is not a code word and if carefully authored.

  7. #1617
    Quote Originally Posted by Myrrh  [View Original Post]
    If using creative euphemisms was such a daft idea then why have terms like 'full service' and 'happy ending' become such well known phrases in our vocabulary?
    The reason those terms are used now is that everyone knows what they mean, not because they are "code" that only fellow posters will understand. Which is exactly my point. If the code word isn't understood by others on the board, then the communication has failed. If the code word is understood, it isn't a code word.

  8. #1616
    Bitumen. Great to hear your post. I am unclear which club you are talking about. Clarification? Sorry if I'm being dim.

  9. #1615
    Myrrh. Euphemistic or optimist: that is very witty.

    KC has answered your general point very well.

    As for my postings where you refer to my "barebacking exploits": if you read my posts I think that there is no report of barebacking by me (except in odd cases where it was unexpected and done by the girl unexpectedly). I am delighted that my euphemistic posts in the past created such a clear picture in your mind.

    As for the future, I am optimistic.

    Euphemistic Optimist.

  10. #1614
    Quote Originally Posted by Myrrh  [View Original Post]
    In countries where prostitution is illegal massage girls will almost always ask the punter if they want a 'happy ending' after the massage just in case he was an undercover cop. If he took her to court on the basis of that phrase he would lose because she could always claim that she had always ever thought that 'happy ending' meant something else to giving a hand job. It provides some protection however limited and it could be argued that some protection is better than none, if you'll pardon the pun.
    I don't know what it is like in the UK, but in the US a massage girl would never ask that. They almost always ask "What you want now?" or "Do you want me to massage anywhere else?" This puts the onus on the customer to ask for it, which is the most protection these ladies can receive. If they asked if the guy wanted a "happy ending" it would be trivial to show that it is such a common euphemism that everyone involved understood what was being asked.

  11. #1613
    Quote Originally Posted by Jnpr30  [View Original Post]
    Haha. Thanks for thinking of me, and too bad I missed out on the spectacle, LOL.
    You will be fine.

    Ok. The girls will do it discreetly on the couch or in the kino but maybe not on the open stage underneath the Kino screen or if you move above the level of the couch back rest. I know my girls stopped shy of being too open on the public sex but they did it and even offered to do it without asking. I was so pleased that when chatting that the girls I took would just pull my towel away from around my waist and get down low under the level of the couch and give a BJ. But when I stood to get more grip on their heads or pull the girl up over the height of the couch so everyone could see then it was a "lets go to the room" and I was doing what I could to bend her over the couch back to fuck her doggie style as she faced the people sitting to the back of us.

  12. #1612
    Quote Originally Posted by Bitumen  [View Original Post]
    I think my last visits which actually coincided with yours saw that Germany had blown the hinges off the closet door. I was doing anal, getting public sex (special note for our Jnpr30) and getting all services.

    .
    Haha. Thanks for thinking of me, and too bad I missed out on the spectacle, LOL.

  13. #1611

    Are we euphemists or optimists?

    Quote Originally Posted by Optimist  [View Original Post]
    I'm developing a bad habit of agreeing with Neurosynth Codes and crass allegories etc are totally transparent.
    If using creative euphemisms was such a daft idea then why have terms like 'full service' and 'happy ending' become such well known phrases in our vocabulary?

    I am guessing that nobody ever used these, they just came into our heads by magic?

    In countries where prostitution is illegal massage girls will almost always ask the punter if they want a 'happy ending' after the massage just in case he was an undercover cop. If he took her to court on the basis of that phrase he would lose because she could always claim that she had always ever thought that 'happy ending' meant something else to giving a hand job. It provides some protection however limited and it could be argued that some protection is better than none, if you'll pardon the pun.

    Anyway, how about this thought. If a member who has posted numerous reports in the past of his barebacking exploits at a notorious brothel which specializes in AO sex now makes a post after a visit to the same club, soon after a law banning paid AO sex, and euphemistically says that 'he got the same service as in the past' then what are we to make of that then?

    Quote Originally Posted by Optimist  [View Original Post]
    Went back again today. I did one girl as I was again a bit short on time. Went with Sara, brunette, who provided the service I expected, but didn't include DATY or DFK. 30 euros.

  14. #1610
    Quote Originally Posted by UltraHappy  [View Original Post]
    Depends on how creative you are. Yes, the examples you offer (strawmen examples) are transparent and would provide no cover. No argument there.

    Still, one can nonetheless write reports that communicate a great deal about services without being so transparent, especially where certain descriptions are capable of differing interpretations.

    This is not just about protecting yourself from law enforcement (which I'm not concerned about in this context), but a courtesy that ought to be extended to the clubs we frequent and the service providers who work so hard to leave us with so many happy memories during our holidays.
    "Dear club owner, as a bad faith courtesy I've ineffectively obscured my post in such a way that everyone will understand it, but I will nevertheless expect to earn your appreciation. ".

  15. #1609
    Quote Originally Posted by Neurosynth  [View Original Post]
    Using "creative euphemisms" is a silly pursuit. I mean if folks just want to joke around with it, well have fun. But some folks seriously suggest such things as if they would provide any cover at all. They won't. Any serious police officer, FKK operator, or FKK worker is going to quickly understand what is being said. The only folks who will be confused by such a "code" will be newbies to the board.

    And believe me, it's all been tried before. Using three dollar signs to mean $300. Or saying "three hundred roses. " Or claiming "I had a dream last night I want to tell you about. " It provides no legal cover. It provides no cover from your wife or girlfriend discovering your posts. It provides no cover if you are trying to keep your posts hidden from operators or workers.
    Depends on how creative you are. Yes, the examples you offer (strawmen examples) are transparent and would provide no cover. No argument there.

    Still, one can nonetheless write reports that communicate a great deal about services without being so transparent, especially where certain descriptions are capable of differing interpretations.

    This is not just about protecting yourself from law enforcement (which I'm not concerned about in this context), but a courtesy that ought to be extended to the clubs we frequent and the service providers who work so hard to leave us with so many happy memories during our holidays.

    For example, if I'm talking about driving on an autobahn with a speed limit of 100 kph, I might say something like, "The speed limit was 100 kph. Sure, I like to drive fast like everyone else (ok, maybe not as fast as Siroija but fast nonetheless). I won't say anything about the relationship between the speed of my car and this speed limit, but I can say that I was quite pleased with the performance of my car and I certainly cannot complain about the slowness of my vehicle. " Nothing in that description admits that I exceeded the speed limit, but at the same, that description still communicates plenty to the discerning reader. With a little more imagination, the possibilities are endless.

    In any case, it doesn't matter in the end as plenty of people are going to post what they want without extending the courtesy of discretion to our friends in Germany. Regretfully.

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