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  1. #501
    Quote Originally Posted by Goatscrot  [View Original Post]
    Agreed. Rating system should include customer reviews that cover not only general attitude but specific acts as well. I like the multiple choice system Croc suggests.
    I agree with one exception, and that is the inclusion of BBFS. I don't think it is fair to pin down the girls on this owing to the possibility the girl finds the customer has indications of STDs or open sores. In such a case should the girl be penalized if she backs out on doing this? I suppose the inclusion of GFE can serve as a weak indicator of whether BBFS is available. If GFE is not included as one of the services provided, it is pretty sure (but not certain) BBFS is off the menu. OTOH, if GFE is included on the menu, it is anyone's guess.

  2. #500
    Quote Originally Posted by Franciscass  [View Original Post]
    PSE should include A+, BBBJ, CIM multi pops and multi positions delivered with a serious amount of sexual energy. It usually takes some time in the business before a provider reaches this level of expertise consequently is usually found in older working girls. It requires no real connection between the participants just hardcore nonstop physical action.

    GFE is of an entirely different nature. Includes uninhibited cuddling and kissing but more importantly there has to have be a sense of affection. It is more an attitude than a particular type of service and works best when both parties are in tune with each other. In my experience this comes from girls who are naturally affectionate and who are intent on making their customers happy and are happy when they are happy. It will be a more relaxed routine with lots of touching and body to body contact.

    -snip-
    Ok. Then is it your suggestion that Smooci put an asterisk next to the terms GFE* and PSE* referencing to definitions of them exactly as you stated it here or were you just sharing with us on this forum your personal opinion for each term?

    Of course, any definition conjured up by someone other than the girl herself ought to be prominantly posted in Thai as well as English on Smooci's site to improve the chance of the girls ever being made aware of it too before they claim to provide it, whatever it is determined to be.

  3. #499

    My Smooci Experience. Last year

    My Bangkok stay was scheduled only for a weekend and I was weighing in the pro / con of taking up the premium subscription. The fact that it only cost $10 for a 3 days account and ability to book 24 hrs ahead made me choose the premium option. I feel it was a good decision as I had dates lined up and was ahead in line to choose my playmate. Reading the reviews especially the recent ones helped me choose better and I have not been disappointed with my choices during the act. Had booked Rain, Milan and Camry and below are my FR.

    Rain, - Booked 2 hrs.

    Very sweet girl, Curvier (fatter) than the photos available in the site. Arrived on time. Showered up at my room before the act. Undressed and started the session with a low pressure massage / this was followed by a wonderful BBBJ and tonguing my sensitive spots, which got me started. Was worried I would blow up, so started with woman on top for some few minutes and we went to missionary position. I blew my first shot in missionary. Had a shower before the next round. Again a massage and BBBJ to initiate the second round. I normally take very long for the second round, so had her in multiple positions before releasing my second shot 5 minutes before the 2 hour slot. Overall a good experience. Not great in english so conversation was limited to one word / sentence responses.

    Milan. Booked 3 hrs.

    Arrived half hour later than appointed time and was tired because of party she attended the night before, so she spent next half hour sleeping cuddling me. I had booked 3 hours knowing that I will take longer to release 2nd time, this extra hour was not spent on me. I forced her to wake up and told her to take a shower and get ready for the act, she said she already took shower, I gave her the local red bull to wake her up properly for the act and I started the deed. Good kisser, but not into DFK as she said she has mouth ulcer. This meant I had a covered BJ. Pussy was tight for me and I took more than 45 min for first time with multiple positions. Spent 15 min cuddling and talking general stuff. Her english was good so she is able to give good company. Was a GFE for me. Then I started with the second round, it took for ever and I was no where close to come, so told her to give BJ for 5 min and then HJ until I come while I was sucking her boobs. Boobs had silicon so was bit hard and looked a bit dis proportioned to her body structure. She took a shower before leaving my room. She forced me to rate her 5 star, but I modified the rating with detailed review in smooci after her departure. Felt she is good for a longer and more relaxed booking as she can give good company and maybe likes to cuddle and sleep. If I take out the fact that she came late for the meeting and slept of the first hour of the booking, it was a good session.

    Camry. Booked 3 hrs.

    I had booked Camry to arrive 4 hrs after my session with Milan, however she arrived half hour before the appointment. She came and changed to the black lingerie in her profile, which was a turn on for me. She started by giving me a good massage and followed it by a great BBBJ. Once I got ready, had her in multiple positions. Because of my recent session few hours ago I still had not come by end of 1 hour, so I told her to give me BBBJ until I come. She restarted the BBBJ and relentlessly for the next 20 min worked her jaws off. It was a CIM when I finally released. Both of us were tired with this effort and so took a small break. Then she again gave me a massage and asked whether I want to continue for the second round. By this time I did not have any energy and saw that she was also tired, so I told her to just lie down on me so that I can play with her body. This was the best session among all for me. She was also eager to please my body needs and can be a great companion too. I will definitely book her again if I visit Bangkok with a longer booking or take her along with me as a companion.

    LC.

    P.S. : this is a 2 month old FR. Was busy and could not find time to report.

  4. #498

    Have not seen any name displayed in smooci reviews

    Quote Originally Posted by Zam007  [View Original Post]
    At smooci.

    I booked a girl few hours back to my hotel, after the session, I had rated and written a review about her.

    I know that if you rated, your name will not be visible, but I am concerned if my name would be visible in the review session.

    Could you please clarify?
    Don't worry. Name does not get displayed in smooci site. It just mentions the month you gave the review.

    LC.

  5. #497
    At smooci.

    I booked a girl few hours back to my hotel, after the session, I had rated and written a review about her.

    I know that if you rated, your name will not be visible, but I am concerned if my name would be visible in the review session.

    Could you please clarify?

  6. #496
    Quote Originally Posted by Crocodilexp  [View Original Post]
    You raise interesting points. The girl "yes" directly to the customer (to a question like "do you do anal? Is worth way more than general statements like "all girls in the shop do A+" or "I do everything", and these are worth more than checking some box when signing up for a website.

    The only reliable way to know what girls do and what they don't is to ask customers. There should be 3 choices (a) yes; (b) no, she refused; (c) no, I did not ask for it.

    I wouldn't even bother with vague terms like GFE and PSE, but simple acts like BBBJ / CBJ, CIM, DATY, DFK, A+, BBFS / CFS.
    Agreed. Rating system should include customer reviews that cover not only general attitude but specific acts as well. I like the multiple choice system Croc suggests.

  7. #495
    Quote Originally Posted by EihTooms  [View Original Post]
    If girls are making that latter claim anywhere, on the street, in a go-go bar, a beer bar, outside a massage shop or on an escort service-related website in order to close a deal and convince a customer to "book" her, then she ought to be taken at her word and reap the rewards of actually delivering or the penalties of not delivering on them via an after-the-fact report. This is where that can finally happen.
    You raise interesting points. The girl "yes" directly to the customer (to a question like "do you do anal? Is worth way more than general statements like "all girls in the shop do A+" or "I do everything", and these are worth more than checking some box when signing up for a website.

    The only reliable way to know what girls do and what they don't is to ask customers. There should be 3 choices (a) yes; (b) no, she refused; (c) no, I did not ask for it.

    I wouldn't even bother with vague terms like GFE and PSE, but simple acts like BBBJ / CBJ, CIM, DATY, DFK, A+, BBFS / CFS.

  8. #494
    Quote Originally Posted by Jaaxie  [View Original Post]
    Not sure asking the companions would give you the result you'd like. I'd imagine it might be more of the same rote BS that appears in the write-up on their agency page.

    I have an idea. Since they are both subjective instead of asking the companions to write something, why not provide an optional query to the customer? It could be very simple, right below the 1 to 5 rating selection there is a "would you rate this experience as GFE? Yes / No", and ditto for PSE. Certain percentage of yes votes triggers the GFE / PSE to be automatically added to list of services.

    The YMMV would still apply. Seeing GFE as a service in this case would not guarantee it but would suggest its highly probable. In my (perhaps) relatively limited experience with P4P girls I would say its largely up to you anyway. You can either help foster a GFE atmosphere / situation or you can kill it. PSE is even more subjective I think. What kind of porn do you watch? What are your fantasies? I create a PSE type situation with my P4P companions because that's what I prefer to GFE but then my idea of PSE could be considerably different than yours.
    PSE should include A+, BBBJ, CIM multi pops and multi positions delivered with a serious amount of sexual energy. It usually takes some time in the business before a provider reaches this level of expertise consequently is usually found in older working girls. It requires no real connection between the participants just hardcore nonstop physical action.

    GFE is of an entirely different nature. Includes uninhibited cuddling and kissing but more importantly there has to have be a sense of affection. It is more an attitude than a particular type of service and works best when both parties are in tune with each other. In my experience this comes from girls who are naturally affectionate and who are intent on making their customers happy and are happy when they are happy. It will be a more relaxed routine with lots of touching and body to body contact.

    Conversely to the PSE where the best providers are older in my experience it is with the younger newer girls that you will find the best GFE. Unfortunately they are usually quickly scooped up as girlfriends or mia noi's usually by Koreans or Japanese.

  9. #493
    Quote Originally Posted by Jaaxie  [View Original Post]
    Not sure asking the companions would give you the result you'd like. I'd imagine it might be more of the same rote BS that appears in the write-up on their agency page.

    I have an idea. Since they are both subjective instead of asking the companions to write something, why not provide an optional query to the customer? It could be very simple, right below the 1 to 5 rating selection there is a "would you rate this experience as GFE? Yes / No", and ditto for PSE. Certain percentage of yes votes triggers the GFE / PSE to be automatically added to list of services.

    The YMMV would still apply. Seeing GFE as a service in this case would not guarantee it but would suggest its highly probable. In my (perhaps) relatively limited experience with P4P girls I would say its largely up to you anyway. You can either help foster a GFE atmosphere / situation or you can kill it. PSE is even more subjective I think. What kind of porn do you watch? What are your fantasies? I create a PSE type situation with my P4P companions because that's what I prefer to GFE but then my idea of PSE could be considerably different than yours.
    I am all for customer reported after-the-fact check boxes for each of the services claimed on their profiles, essentially what Crocodilexp has suggested; Did she provide the CIM you requested? Did she provide the DFK you requested? And so on. Why confine it to just those two services, GFE and PSE?

    In fact, that is what I had hoped the Star Ratings would be more specifically all about rather than the predictably vague "Overall Experience" bit. But that was an expressed hope for which there was mighty push-back on all sides and so it never happened. Not sure how an after-the-fact check box for just those two highly subjective and, therefore, potentially largely misleading services, GFE and PSE, would make them less highly subjective and, therefore, potentially largely misleading for the next guy considering booking her though.

    I agree that a lot of what the girl might say if my concept is employed would be BS. But, again, that is where penalizing or rewarding them via the Star Rating system is theoretically supposed to come in, right? If the girl says nothing more than, "I am a sweet, affectionate girl who likes to smile" under her claim to provide a GFE, then that ought to help her earn a big 5 Star Rating from the guys who think that is primarily what a GFE is all about. On the other hand, if she says, "I do everything. Up to you," under her claim to provide a PSE, the kind of reply most of us have heard a million times from P4P girls in every conceivable venue trying to entice us to agree to book her and close the deal, then she'd better really mean what she says or risk getting the lowest Star Rating on her profile, right?

    The way it is generally done and done on Smooci right now allows her to check the GFE and PSE box and not be held accountable for anything as long as those terms are defined solely by whatever unexpressed thing she thinks they mean. Having a customer tell me she did it based on what HE thinks it means really tells me nothing and still doesn't hold her accountable for the claim.

    If girls are making that latter claim anywhere, on the street, in a go-go bar, a beer bar, outside a massage shop or on an escort service-related website in order to close a deal and convince a customer to "book" her, then she ought to be taken at her word and reap the rewards of actually delivering or the penalties of not delivering on them via an after-the-fact report. This is where that can finally happen.

    Of course, we need to at least agree that an "I do everything. Up to you" claim must be confined to acts of a sexual nature. I mean, I wouldn't give her a 1 Star Rating because I asked her to paint my apartment and rotate the tires on my mini-van but, darn it, she refused.

    I agree with you that we can do much to foster either a GFE or a PSE, whatever each one means to us individually, after the girl arrives. In fact, I would argue that those terms are so subjective and vague that, unless the girl behaves entirely like a mechanical robot throughout the session, it WILL be perceived as either more "romantic and intimate" or "wild and passionate" anyway. But that doesn't really address the dynamic where an escort customer would truly like to know what in the world she is claiming here while a major trade-off for not meeting or seeing the girl in the flesh first before booking is to know more specifically, in writing, what the girl will actually do for him during the session.

    After all, some of us might book a girl who does not list CIM on her profile but by the end of our first session with her she has done that very thing and even more than that for us merely because we fostered the environment to make it happen. But that isn't what this kind of arrangement ought to rely on imo.

  10. #492

    GFE / pse.

    Quote Originally Posted by EihTooms  [View Original Post]
    Since they are really the only two highly subjective terms that I have seen on these kinds of lists, why not ask each girl who wants those terms put on her profile to add a few words or comments about what she means by it. ....
    Not sure asking the companions would give you the result you'd like. I'd imagine it might be more of the same rote BS that appears in the write-up on their agency page.

    I have an idea. Since they are both subjective instead of asking the companions to write something, why not provide an optional query to the customer? It could be very simple, right below the 1 to 5 rating selection there is a "would you rate this experience as GFE? Yes / No", and ditto for PSE. Certain percentage of yes votes triggers the GFE / PSE to be automatically added to list of services.

    The YMMV would still apply. Seeing GFE as a service in this case would not guarantee it but would suggest its highly probable. In my (perhaps) relatively limited experience with P4P girls I would say its largely up to you anyway. You can either help foster a GFE atmosphere / situation or you can kill it. PSE is even more subjective I think. What kind of porn do you watch? What are your fantasies? I create a PSE type situation with my P4P companions because that's what I prefer to GFE but then my idea of PSE could be considerably different than yours.

  11. #491
    Quote Originally Posted by SmoociApp  [View Original Post]
    We have been debating whether to use PSE and GFE, and are still open to removing them. As you have mentioned, they are somewhat subjective terms.

    Traditionally PSE refers to a more wild and passionate experience, while GFE refers to a more romantic and intimate experience.

    Perhaps the members her can let us know whether having these service tags are useful, or whether people feel they are a bit outdated and too subjective.

    We are also open to any other service tags you feel would be useful to add.
    Since they are really the only two highly subjective terms that I have seen on these kinds of lists, why not ask each girl who wants those terms put on her profile to add a few words or comments about what she means by it. Not an essay about herself. Just a few words about what she means by claiming that term as a service she offers. If the girl comes up with something that better informs the customer about what he can expect, great, put the term or terms in her profile along with those words or comments attributed to her. We might be very pleasantly surprised by what some of those girls tell us about their intentions to deliver on those experiences.

    But if she can't come up with anything to say about it, about what she means by claiming it, then don't put the term or terms on her profile because then she is only claiming it to add more supposed services she either has no intention of delivering anyway or has no idea what it means in the first place. I imagine a lot of girls just check the boxes on those terms now because they are the free ride I mentioned before. They benefit by whatever it means in the heads of the customer while knowing full well it is only going to be up to them, the girl, what it means at crunch time. But if you ask them to tell us what they mean by it, that ought to weed out many of the posers on those terms. For a while, at least.

    Who knows, maybe none of the girls will check those boxes if they can't come up with a darn thing to say they mean by it. lol. And that serves the customer better than empty promises anyway.

  12. #490
    Quote Originally Posted by EihTooms  [View Original Post]
    Yes, that does help anyone who didn't already know that GFE stands for Girlfriend Experience, that PSE stands for Pornstar Experience, that DATY stands for Dine at the Y and so on. But are there any plans to provide a Definition of Terms to better explain what the girl means when she says she provides, for instance, a GFE/Girlfriend Experience or a PSE/Pornstar Experience?
    We have been debating whether to use PSE and GFE, and are still open to removing them. As you have mentioned, they are somewhat subjective terms.

    Traditionally PSE refers to a more wild and passionate experience, while GFE refers to a more romantic and intimate experience.

    Perhaps the members her can let us know whether having these service tags are useful, or whether people feel they are a bit outdated and too subjective.

    We are also open to any other service tags you feel would be useful to add.

  13. #489
    Quote Originally Posted by Crocodilexp  [View Original Post]
    It's definitely useful, but even better would be an option for customers who review girls to check boxes for what the girl actually did (in addition to the girl checking boxes for what she's willing to do).
    I like your thinking with that idea.

    Of course, even that would require customers to be mostly in agreement and on the same page about what a BBBJ is (as the term is generally used on these sites I consider it to be mere oral foreplay, not really a "blowjob", yet it is often discussed on these sites as a blowjob until you question it further and find out it was merely oral foreplay after all), that CIM is when the customer finishes fully IN HER MOUTH (not mostly outside her mouth while, at best, her hand takes over, which I consider a "handjob" with some oral foreplay thrown in), that DFK does not mean she just poked her tongue out through her nearly clenched teeth for a nanosecond to touch yours and so on. Massage? Good lord, I can only imagine what I might have thought was an actual "massage" had I been deprived of even so much as a mild, one-hand back rub during years of a hopeless marriage back in the USA. LOL.

    But most of time checking either "Yes, she did" or "No, she didn't even after I requested it" would cover it enough to get the point across; either she did or she didn't do the thing stated on her profile after being asked or blatantly encouraged to do it.

    I think the only two highly subjective, anything-YOU-hope-it-means while in reality it is just certain things-SHE-thinks-it-means services listed on any of these escort check lists are GFE and PSE, with GFE being the far more subjective of the two to the point of being, well, meaningless in the absence of a clear definition of what it means to the girl claiming she provides it.

    At least with PSE one could argue that a Pornstar Experience is whatever sexual act you can easily find clips of featured porn actresses performing on porn sites like YouPorn and Tube Galore. You show the girl the clip and then sit back and wait for her to deliver. Lololol. Which, if you're letting me do the YouPorn clip search, means virtually NO Thai P4P girl has provided a true Pornstar Experience in known history. But that won't stop a lot of girls from checking that PSE box all the same because, like GFE, it ultimately only means whatever the girl wants it to mean.

  14. #488
    Quote Originally Posted by EihTooms  [View Original Post]
    Yeah, I would say a Definition of Terms is very much in order on those Escort sites and/or Smooci.
    It's definitely useful, but even better would be an option for customers who review girls to check boxes for what the girl actually did (in addition to the girl checking boxes for what she's willing to do).

  15. #487
    Quote Originally Posted by SmoociApp  [View Original Post]
    We have also created rollover text on all the service abbreviation to help explain them better.
    Yes, that does help anyone who didn't already know that GFE stands for Girlfriend Experience, that PSE stands for Pornstar Experience, that DATY stands for Dine at the Y and so on. But are there any plans to provide a Definition of Terms to better explain what the girl means when she says she provides, for instance, a GFE/Girlfriend Experience or a PSE/Pornstar Experience?

    There is such a dramatic drop in the number and percentage of girls who are willing to say they provide a "GFE" on their profile, around 50% and sometimes more, I am guessing the drop off girls don't think it merely means presenting a nice smile when the hotel door opens, projecting a pleasant, friendly demeanor or that it has much to do with other services one might reasonably presume are GFE-related, such as DFK and BBBJ, because many girls who claim to provide those services don't also claim to provide a GFE.

    Good to see at least one girl out of the 41 available at 3PM today is now willing to allow DATY with her customers. Again, I realize this is a new item added to the Smooci site. But isn't it also possible that a lot of girls don't really know what DATY means there or, for that matter, on their original escort sites even if it is spelled out as Dine at the Y with that rollover text feature..?

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