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  1. #623

    Bareback Experiences / Negotiating.

    Coming down in the next week.

    I don't see a private messaging system on Smooci before you actually book the girl and so I expect all further negotiations take place in person? I'm interested in securing bareback encounters, BBBJ / BBFS, CIM and CIP.

    When going through Smooci in Bangkok, anyone have experiences securing / failing to secure this? I've done enough mongering to just be done with condoms and don't mind doing the extra leg work or paying more for bareback.

    I can bring clean test results from the US if that matters to the local girls.

    Any input would be appreciated.

  2. #622

    Interesting thread.

    My favorite thread at the moment, partly because of the interesting conversation between ET and Dan on the similarities or lack thereof between P4P and porn which incidentally Dan I have to admit ET at least IMHO is winning.

    Smooci is a good platform for booking escorts. I cannot believe they are out to cause unnecessary problems for customers and seem to be more than open to taking on legitimate concerns while helping the girls avoid unpleasant situations and in case you're wondering no I have no skin in the game.

    Useless post, I know.

  3. #621
    Great to see that the concerns are being addressed and fixed.

    Why the full name as an option when it's not necessary though? Would be better to go out of your way as a company / app to protect the customer's privacy, for their own good.

  4. #620
    Quote Originally Posted by EihTooms  [View Original Post]
    I like stop and go just fine. What I meant was what you are seeing in a porn video has often been hobbled together with only the highlights left in but the lulls and wait times between set ups edited out. He is not the "customer" being serviced by her. She has not been hired to give him the best sexual experience she can deliver, only to behave in such a way that it "looks" like that is what she has delivered. ....
    I think it's important to remember that porn isn't just sex for show. It's sex for show to a male audience.

    It usually starts out with the hot lady strip-teasing you with her pussy, tits, and ass. She drives you into a frenzy of lust. And then she gets a guy or several guys to do her hard-and-fast in the way guys in the audience want to see her done.

    She is having sex totally for the guys. And that's why it looks so good to all the guys watching her. And of course, she isn't doing it all by herself. She gets her guy or guys to nail her just the way guys in the audience want to see her done.

    "So, how does the lady know what guys in the audience want to see?" You might ask.

    And of course, the lady doesn't know. She relies on her guy to nail her just the way other guys want to see her done. Guys have a lot in common with each other. And that's why the lady needs to rely on her banging guy to imagine what the male audience wants to see and do her exactly this way.

    From what I've read about making porn, the porn stars, porn studs, and the film director usually get together and plan their sex-scene. But it always ends being what the guys want to see, because they are doing it for a male audience. And they don't necessarily plan out every detail. The details are often left for the banging guy to decide in the heat of the moment.

    And of course, the lady's banging guy can't read the minds of other guys. He can only fantasize about the lady from his own male point of view and assume that sex fantasies of other guys are probably like this too.

    So in effect, the guy banging the lady gets to fulfill his own sex fantasies with her. The only concession he makes to the audience is that he needs to exaggerate his sex acts, do them repeatedly in a variety of ways, and make it last for a long time too. Because guys in the audience might not see everything right away. And even if they see it, they still need time to watch and enjoy it.

    The guy banging the hot lady in porn gets to fulfill his most extreme fantasies for her. Because he just needs to say to the lady that other guys want to see her done this way. And she has no way of knowing if this is true or not. She needs to rely on his judgment and opinion. Because as a guy, he is in a better position to know what other guys want to see, than she is.

    P4P ladies don't usually watch porn made for guys. And that's why they often don't know how guys want to plow. But you can remedy the situation and provide the lady with some sex-education. You can load some GIF animation clips on your phone and quickly show them to the lady you like. This is a quick way to communicate to the hot chick how you want to do her with your dick.

    P4P ladies are also doing it for guys. And that's why they might want to learn from experienced ladies in porn.

  5. #619
    We are open to feedback and debate, but its' important to clear up the misinformation some people are posting here.

    When a client makes a booking, the information we require are the hotel name and room number, name on the room, email address, and a mobile phone number. The client only needs to give a first name, we do not require a surname in order to confirm the booking. While it is helpful to have a full name, if the client only puts a first name (which the vast majority of clients do), the booking still goes through and it is confirmed.

    We do not keep credit card details on file.

    For card payments of premium memberships, these payments are made through a secure third party company. This info is not stored on our system, we are informed that we have received a payment and given the email address and payment amount which is used to create the account.

    The only time we would be sent additional info is when a card payment is flagged a fraudulent and the payment company send us the full name on the card to check if it matches the details we have and this is very rare.

    Regarding client reviews, this isn't fully rolled out yet and we are listening to feedback from clients and companions. We started allowing companions to rate and comment on clients last month and at first we were just storing and reviewing that info. We allowed a small group of independents to receive this to test it and get their feedback.

    The feedback from the companions has been very positive; it helps them quickly confirm whether a client is genuine and helps cut out false bookings. We have also received mixed feedback from clients, with the main concerns over security.

    We have taken the feedback on board and we have stopped the companions receiving this info. However, we are still looking to find the best way to give the companions more information to accept bookings with confidence and ultimately show that a client is safe and genuine. This may now be using a simpler system which doesn't reveal the number of bookings and written details of past bookings, but involving a badge and flagging system.

    A quick response to the other comments mentioned:

    The GPS tracking works successfully in over 90% of cases. It does rely on the companion having an undisrupted network signal, so in cases when a companion loses, or has a poor network signal, the tracking will have errors.

    Companions are encouraged to be on time and to inform the client when they are running late. The Smooci system sends a reminder to the companion 1 hour before a booking, and if the companion hasn't already click o start her journey the system sends another reminder 30 minutes before, also warning them to inform the client if they are running late. The client is also given direct contact with the companion and / or agency.

    Regarding unprotected sex; Smooci doesn't allow companions to advertise unprotected full sex and doesn't encourage it. This is something we will not change our stance on.

  6. #618
    Quote Originally Posted by Crocodilexp  [View Original Post]
    Smooci is failing to understand that they're not Uber, Amazon or AirBnB, and that in their line of business, privacy of the customers is paramount.

    An online working girl booking service which keeps my credit card data and full name on file, along with a full history of what every hooker I slept with thought about me? Moreover, it gives access to real name and reviews to any random hooker that I might book? No, thanks.

    Even if Smooci was eager to guard customer privacy as much as possible (which obviously it isn't), simply storing it is a major problem. From security breeches, to changes of ownership, it is virtually guaranteed that such data will at one point leak, and be abused.

    Customers should be allowed to sign up under a pseudonym, and pay anonymously for premium services. Reviews of customers are a horrid idea, even when associated with a pseudonym, as it's way too easy to connect the dots to identity. This is a separate issue from a customer-service problem, with girls cherry-picking the "easiest" customers.

    Sex providers and customers are NOT equal sides (generally, sellers and buyers are not exactly equal either, but this is a special case). Girls working as prostitutes also deserve some privacy protections, but they inherently cannot retain full privacy, since they need to advertise to get and keep business (either post at minimum a picture online or work at a bar / street corner in the offline world).
    There are some really valid points here, enough to possibly convince me to stay off smooci. Yes, it is easy, convenient and a little cheaper but the expansion to storing credit card information, independent listings and client reviews really escalates the privacy and security risk. If anyone of you recognize me in the short time I've been on this forum will know that I've been an avid supporter of outcall escorts in Bangkok. Smooci is really making me reconsider. I don't know for sure but for now, gogo bgs, MP bgs and gees, even to a certain degree, Thermae indys are looking like the safer option.

    Smooci? I am asking with an open and receptive mind. What is your response to Croc's opinion? I am on the fence and want to know your side of the issue.

  7. #617
    Quote Originally Posted by EihTooms  [View Original Post]
    There are only a tiny handful of porn actresses who can finish a blowjob on camera where it actually looks like it would be a wonderful finish in real life, essentially finishing it orally and inside the mouth while still managing to "show" the video viewer that the man is cumming big time. Heather Brooke and Camille Crimson come to mind. Not many others. And they're both swallowers.
    And now we're all off to google Heather Brooke and Camille Crimson.

  8. #616
    Quote Originally Posted by Dan7373  [View Original Post]
    Perhaps you aren't into Porn Star Experience (PSE) as much as I am. Because you've just described the best parts that I like about porn sex.

    Stop and go, new set ups, different angles, and making it look good for the viewer means that you get to penetrate the hot chick with your dick many times. You last for a long time with her. You take her in several different positions. And you get to pound her for all you are worth, withdraw before you cum, take a rest, then pound her some more.

    I'm not sure why you don't like this. But this sounds pretty good to me. This is actually something I'd like to do with a good-looking P4P lady.
    I like stop and go just fine. What I meant was what you are seeing in a porn video has often been hobbled together with only the highlights left in but the lulls and wait times between set ups edited out. He is not the "customer" being serviced by her. She has not been hired to give him the best sexual experience she can deliver, only to behave in such a way that it "looks" like that is what she has delivered. The fact that he, the hired porn actor, is expected to pull out in order to "show" the real customers, the viewers, the Money Shot not only works against it being anything like what would occur between those two people if they were really into each other and alone in a room without a camera present, but totally unacceptable to me if I were paying the girl to have sex with me under virtually any circumstances.

    The fact that porn sex is practically 100% condom-free is the best argument in favor of paying extra for a so-called PSE with a P4P girl. Unfortunately, that doesn't seem to be the result most guys even expect or demand from it. But the need to "show" us the Money Shot, the guy cumming, renders most finishes in porn pathetically inadequate and certainly not worth an hour of my time or much if any of my money were I to be paying thousands of baht to get it with an escort or any other Thai P4P girl.

    And finishing a blowjob the way most porn actors have to do it in order to "show" us the Money Shot is utterly unacceptable in my real life; he pulls away from her mouth to jerk himself off into the open air. Ugh. If he does cum fully into her mouth, the porn actress will then probably spit it back out into her hand or something and display it for the camera that way. Horrible. They'd have to pay me to endure that rather than me paying them for it. There are only a tiny handful of porn actresses who can finish a blowjob on camera where it actually looks like it would be a wonderful finish in real life, essentially finishing it orally and inside the mouth while still managing to "show" the video viewer that the man is cumming big time. Heather Brooke and Camille Crimson come to mind. Not many others. And they're both swallowers.

  9. #615
    Quote Originally Posted by EihTooms  [View Original Post]
    .... Not to mention the filming experience is stop and go, new set ups and angles between edits in order to make it "look" even more like he and she are into it, into each other and better at performing sex than they are in real life.
    Perhaps you aren't into Porn Star Experience (PSE) as much as I am. Because you've just described the best parts that I like about porn sex.

    Stop and go, new set ups, different angles, and making it look good for the viewer means that you get to penetrate the hot chick with your dick many times. You last for a long time with her. You take her in several different positions. And you get to pound her for all you are worth, withdraw before you cum, take a rest, then pound her some more.

    I'm not sure why you don't like this. But this sounds pretty good to me. This is actually something I'd like to do with a good-looking P4P lady.

  10. #614
    Quote Originally Posted by Crocodilexp  [View Original Post]
    Smooci is failing to understand that they're not Uber, Amazon or AirBnB, and that in their line of business, privacy of the customers is paramount.

    An online working girl booking service which keeps my credit card data and full name on file, along with a full history of what every hooker I slept with thought about me? Moreover, it gives access to real name and reviews to any random hooker that I might book? No, thanks.

    Even if Smooci was eager to guard customer privacy as much as possible (which obviously it isn't), simply storing it is a major problem. From security breeches, to changes of ownership, it is virtually guaranteed that such data will at one point leak, and be abused.

    Customers should be allowed to sign up under a pseudonym, and pay anonymously for premium services. Reviews of customers are a horrid idea, even when associated with a pseudonym, as it's way too easy to connect the dots to identity. This is a separate issue from a customer-service problem, with girls cherry-picking the "easiest" customers...
    If any post in this conversation deserves all caps it would be this one, for those who have 'ears to hear'/ eyes to see. Well said Croc.

  11. #613
    Quote Originally Posted by Dan7373  [View Original Post]
    I'm surprised that you don't see any relationship between porn and P4P. Because porn-stars have lots of sex with many guys in exchange for money. Which is exactly what P4P women do too. The only difference between them is that porn-stars film their sexual encounters, while P4P women don't.

    Porn-stars show you what experienced women can do. And they also appreciate having many porn-fans, who like their pussy and buns.

    Normally, a guy would feel jealous and uncomfortable, when he knows that the woman he is with has been sleeping around with many guys. I've tried to overcome this feeling by sleeping around with many ladies, so that I wouldn't be any different from them. But it was porn that made me feel okay about women like that. My experience of being a porn-fan of various good-looking ladies in porn made me feel the same way about P4P ladies. I'm the P4P lady's porn-fan, when I go after her pussy and bum.

    That's why I can respect the lady, even while I pound her with my cock. It's like she is a popular lady, who is doing me a favor, a balls-deep favor that is. Which is the best favor you can have from a hot, good-looking lady.

    For any market to work well, you need to have mutual respect and bargaining-power-balance between buyers and sellers. Because when you break this balance, then you get either too many customers or too many sellers, depending on who gets the advantage. And this destroys the market by either driving down prices to an unsustainable level, or by jacking up prices so much that most people can't pay.

    This is a basic market principle that's true for any market, including the dating market, the marriage market, and the P4P market.
    In porn the "customer" is the viewer of the video, not the man performing the sex act and not the woman performing the sex act. They are paid actors whose job it is to make it "look" like one, both or all ten of them are into it with each other when it might be that none of them are into it. Yes, that even includes the man with an erection in the video. Quite often, the guy even has to (or chooses to for the sake of "showing" the money shot) jerk himself off in order to finish outside the woman's mouth, vagina or anus, something I doubt any of those porn actors would tolerate when they have sex without a camera present and what I would probably consider botching her job so badly I might actually refuse to pay a P4 P girl if she had clearly agreed to a much better finish than that.

    Not to mention the filming experience is stop and go, new set ups and angles between edits in order to make it "look" even more like he and she are into it, into each other and better at performing sex than they are in real life.

  12. #612
    Quote Originally Posted by EihTooms  [View Original Post]
    Really? I often read glowing reviews from guys who are describing pretty tame stuff. The porn industry has nothing to do with what happens behind closed doors in private between a P4P girl and her customer....
    I'm surprised that you don't see any relationship between porn and P4P. Because porn-stars have lots of sex with many guys in exchange for money. Which is exactly what P4P women do too. The only difference between them is that porn-stars film their sexual encounters, while P4P women don't.

    Porn-stars show you what experienced women can do. And they also appreciate having many porn-fans, who like their pussy and buns.

    Normally, a guy would feel jealous and uncomfortable, when he knows that the woman he is with has been sleeping around with many guys. I've tried to overcome this feeling by sleeping around with many ladies, so that I wouldn't be any different from them. But it was porn that made me feel okay about women like that. My experience of being a porn-fan of various good-looking ladies in porn made me feel the same way about P4P ladies. I'm the P4P lady's porn-fan, when I go after her pussy and bum.

    That's why I can respect the lady, even while I pound her with my cock. It's like she is a popular lady, who is doing me a favor, a balls-deep favor that is. Which is the best favor you can have from a hot, good-looking lady.

    For any market to work well, you need to have mutual respect and bargaining-power-balance between buyers and sellers. Because when you break this balance, then you get either too many customers or too many sellers, depending on who gets the advantage. And this destroys the market by either driving down prices to an unsustainable level, or by jacking up prices so much that most people can't pay.

    This is a basic market principle that's true for any market, including the dating market, the marriage market, and the P4P market.

  13. #611

    What can go wrong.

    IMHO it is seriously inadvisable to give credit card details when using P4P services. The opportunities for blackmail and fraudulent misuse of the card are just too obvious to be ignored. Payments should be in cash.

    Additionally having to give your real name when booking should not be necessary, all that is needed is the confirmed location of the rendezvous.

    A sense of anonymity is important to a lot of customers particularly those in existing relationships which is why I use only on site facilities or take my lady straight to a short time hotel.

    Escorts troubled by the possibility of meeting unpleasant customers could and should form their own on line support group to advise on who to avoid.

    I don't get the thing about escorts using whatever posts are available from wherever and only picking easily satisfied clients and avoiding those that like certain services. Some escorts can be choosy because they have numerous bookings, most I believe just don't have the luxury of turning down bookings.

    That said some will miss out on bookings by limiting what services they provide. These must be clearly stated by the agency on their profile. Personally I would not part with money until this was confirmed by the escort herself.

    Pics should be recent and age should be accurate. If all this is in place and both parties are reasonable, I. E the escort delivers a good experience for the client according to what he likes and what was agreed to and the client in return treats her right what can go wrong?

    Consistently apparently quite a lot for some members.

  14. #610
    Smooci is failing to understand that they're not Uber, Amazon or AirBnB, and that in their line of business, privacy of the customers is paramount.

    An online working girl booking service which keeps my credit card data and full name on file, along with a full history of what every hooker I slept with thought about me? Moreover, it gives access to real name and reviews to any random hooker that I might book? No, thanks.

    Even if Smooci was eager to guard customer privacy as much as possible (which obviously it isn't), simply storing it is a major problem. From security breeches, to changes of ownership, it is virtually guaranteed that such data will at one point leak, and be abused.

    Customers should be allowed to sign up under a pseudonym, and pay anonymously for premium services. Reviews of customers are a horrid idea, even when associated with a pseudonym, as it's way too easy to connect the dots to identity. This is a separate issue from a customer-service problem, with girls cherry-picking the "easiest" customers.

    Sex providers and customers are NOT equal sides (generally, sellers and buyers are not exactly equal either, but this is a special case). Girls working as prostitutes also deserve some privacy protections, but they inherently cannot retain full privacy, since they need to advertise to get and keep business (either post at minimum a picture online or work at a bar / street corner in the offline world).

  15. #609
    Quote Originally Posted by LAGuy5  [View Original Post]
    Ebay, a very successful company from what I understand, disagrees with you. A few years ago they stopped giving the Seller the option to leave negative reviews of buyers largely because of the problem of retaliatory feedback and how it can make buyers hesitant to leave honest reviews.
    Probably not as successful as the Chinese TaoBao.

    Ebay is so "Then" now. Ebay is going to be like the "Friendster".

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