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  1. #400
    Quote Originally Posted by WarmStone25  [View Original Post]
    My impression, from reading through reports, is that maybe to many ratings of 5 are given, when even for a good session a 4 would be more accurate. It appears to me that you need to read all the reports, and to form an impression from this, as well as look at the rating which may be overstated. At one point I noted 70 or more girls available, but this does not appear to be the case any more. If the accuracy of reporting and rating was to improve then this would increase the value of the system. I watch with interest to see if the accuracy of photos improves.
    The readers of ISG are actually privy to an exclusive bit of critical intel on this issue of more objective Service Delivery vs more subjective Appearance/Impression from the one person who has most certainly read every essay review and comment for every girl, assessed every rating given, read every email-feedback complaint or compliment and therefore has a better handle on which girls to choose if looking for good service separate from whatever positive (or negative) write-ups you might pay to read in the essay-type comments. That would be the owner of the Smooci site himself.

    Post #317:
    "We follow several forums, analyse the user comments, and get private feedback to us. Based on this info we are very confident that the ratings work and a high rating (4. 5 and above) points towards good sevices, where as a low rating (3. 5 and below) suggests a poor performer."

    Post #321:
    "Again, based on the sum of all feedback we are confident that a high rating of 4. 5 and above points to good service, while 3. 5 and below does not."

    To my knowledge, that valuable and useful intel on the upside/downside breaking points in the Star Ratings re service (rather than on a host of other potential issues) has not appeared on any other site like this one or even on the Smooci site itself. We are the only ones who have read the Smooci site's owner state it so clearly and specifically. And to readers here who appreciate having been gifted with that bit of exclusive intel, I say, "You're welcome."

  2. #399
    Quote Originally Posted by WarmStone25  [View Original Post]
    It appears as if the picture verification has been removed. So, the only way to know if photos are accurate is to read the reports. It appears, to me, not enough customers report directly on this, or on the accuracy of the stated age. Customers reports appear to be more concerned about that they had a good session. My impression, from reading through reports, is that maybe to many ratings of 5 are given, when even for a good session a 4 would be more accurate. It appears to me that you need to read all the reports, and to form an impression from this, as well as look at the rating which may be overstated. At one point I noted 70 or more girls available, but this does not appear to be the case any more. If the accuracy of reporting and rating was to improve then this would increase the value of the system. I watch with interest to see if the accuracy of photos improves.
    This may not be exactly on point to what WarmStone has written, but it is related. I don't know what percentage of users are premium members as opposed to regular members but I would suppose by only allowing premium members to read the review comments regular members would be disinclined to leave their own comments, particularly once they realize they can leave reviews but cannot read them. I know I wouldn't take the time to leave a review if I were not allowed to access reviews left by others.

  3. #398

    Read reports

    It appears as if the picture verification has been removed. So, the only way to know if photos are accurate is to read the reports. It appears, to me, not enough customers report directly on this, or on the accuracy of the stated age. Customers reports appear to be more concerned about that they had a good session. My impression, from reading through reports, is that maybe to many ratings of 5 are given, when even for a good session a 4 would be more accurate. It appears to me that you need to read all the reports, and to form an impression from this, as well as look at the rating which may be overstated. At one point I noted 70 or more girls available, but this does not appear to be the case any more. If the accuracy of reporting and rating was to improve then this would increase the value of the system. I watch with interest to see if the accuracy of photos improves.

  4. #397
    Quote Originally Posted by LAGuy5  [View Original Post]
    I realize it is only one guy's opinion and tastes differ, but it would be good to get some feedback (from you and others who use the service) as to whether one can rely on the ratings, even if only to some extent.
    I did it a few times and I was disappointed almost every time. The only girl that I liked was the one with the lowest average rating amongst the girls that I booked (she was rated at 4.4 while the others were around 4.8). My disappointment was due to girls being different than their pics or not good looking at all. So I would say that you cannot rely on the ratings if the look is important to you. Regarding the service, I did not ask much but at least all of them were nice and friendly.

  5. #396

    My ratings Versus Smooci

    Quote Originally Posted by LAGuy5  [View Original Post]
    Thanks for your reviews. I'm curious though how your ratings of the girls correlated with Smooci's ratings. For example, of the three did Cherry have the highest ratings with Smooci, with the other two girls at lower ratings? I realize it is only one guy's opinion and tastes differ, but it would be good to get some feedback (from you and others who use the service) as to whether one can rely on the ratings, even if only to some extent.
    Cherry on Smooci is a 4. 6.

    Opal on Smooci is a 4. 4.

    Naris on Smooci is a 4. 3.

    So they line up in the order I would rate them but I would not give them such high marks. None of them were completely different than their pictures, though the pictures were either older or touched up, and they were all nice but a little to passive for me.

    PIT.

  6. #395
    Quote Originally Posted by PassinThrough  [View Original Post]
    It has been a while, a long while, since I have posted. I finally made it back to Bangkok a few weeks ago and decided to try out Smooci. I like the concept and it makes things easy but as with any escorts you don't always get what you expect.

    I ended up going with 3 girls:

    Nara. Heavier that pictured. Was somewhat passive but did a nice BBBJ. 5 out of 10.

    Opal. Again a little heavier than in the picture and the face does not match the pic well, looks like it was photo shopped. Pretty passive, 6 out of 10.

    Finally I booked Cherry. She is pretty close to her pictures and was the best of the three. Did not want to shower together but was open to trying different positions and was a lot of fun. I would give her an 8 out of 10.

    Did not have much time but went to Soi Cowboy two nights. Didn't take anyone home but hit some of the bars and CH was definitely the best with the best looking talent and a lot more energy than any other place on SC, at least when I went there.

    I have checked out Smooci a little in the last few days and the number of girls seems to be declining. One I have heard mentioned as good don't seem to be on there any longer and where my search used to turn up about 80 girls I now see only 40 or about the same time of day. This seems consistent for the last several days. Not sure what is going on.
    Thanks for your reviews. I'm curious though how your ratings of the girls correlated with Smooci's ratings. For example, of the three did Cherry have the highest ratings with Smooci, with the other two girls at lower ratings? I realize it is only one guy's opinion and tastes differ, but it would be good to get some feedback (from you and others who use the service) as to whether one can rely on the ratings, even if only to some extent.

  7. #394

    I have to agree

    Quote Originally Posted by Syzygies  [View Original Post]
    The advantage at CH, is you find out exactly what the girl looks like beforehand, face and full body. Don't have to take any girls that look just 5 or 6 out of 10. Pick one of the hot ones. Then have her sit on your lap for a while, evaluate chemistry and chat before deciding to buy. That is the big attraction for me. Escorts is more of a lucky dip. The chances the girl really meets my fussy spec might be only 10% at best.
    I have to agree, maybe a little higher than 10% but not much. The benefit about escorts is that you can be laying in bed and decide you want to have some fun and call up and get delivery. It is like take out food, if you pardon the analogy, it is never as good as eating at the restaurant (not hot, more expensive, etc.) but it is convenient. Smooci just makes that even easier, but they need to be a bit more conscious of having the pictures updated and accurate. Maybe a date when the pictures were updated, not perfect but a start.

    P.S. In my previous post I meant Naris and not Nara.

  8. #393
    Quote Originally Posted by PassinThrough  [View Original Post]
    It has been a while, a long while, since I have posted. I finally made it back to Bangkok a few weeks ago and decided to try out Smooci. I like the concept and it makes things easy but as with any escorts you don't always get what you expect.

    I ended up going with 3 girls:

    Nara. Heavier that pictured. Was somewhat passive but did a nice BBBJ. 5 out of 10.

    Opal. Again a little heavier than in the picture and the face does not match the pic well, looks like it was photo shopped. Pretty passive, 6 out of 10.

    Finally I booked Cherry. She is pretty close to her pictures and was the best of the three. Did not want to shower together but was open to trying different positions and was a lot of fun. I would give her an 8 out of 10.

    Did not have much time but went to Soi Cowboy two nights. Didn't take anyone home but hit some of the bars and CH was definitely the best with the best looking talent and a lot more energy than any other place on SC, at least when I went there.

    I have checked out Smooci a little in the last few days and the number of girls seems to be declining. One I have heard mentioned as good don't seem to be on there any longer and where my search used to turn up about 80 girls I now see only 40 or about the same time of day. This seems consistent for the last several days. Not sure what is going on.
    The advantage at CH, is you find out exactly what the girl looks like beforehand, face and full body. Don't have to take any girls that look just 5 or 6 out of 10. Pick one of the hot ones. Then have her sit on your lap for a while, evaluate chemistry and chat before deciding to buy. That is the big attraction for me. Escorts is more of a lucky dip. The chances the girl really meets my fussy spec might be only 10% at best.

  9. #392

    Smooci reviews.

    It has been a while, a long while, since I have posted. I finally made it back to Bangkok a few weeks ago and decided to try out Smooci. I like the concept and it makes things easy but as with any escorts you don't always get what you expect.

    I ended up going with 3 girls:

    Nara. Heavier that pictured. Was somewhat passive but did a nice BBBJ. 5 out of 10.

    Opal. Again a little heavier than in the picture and the face does not match the pic well, looks like it was photo shopped. Pretty passive, 6 out of 10.

    Finally I booked Cherry. She is pretty close to her pictures and was the best of the three. Did not want to shower together but was open to trying different positions and was a lot of fun. I would give her an 8 out of 10.

    Did not have much time but went to Soi Cowboy two nights. Didn't take anyone home but hit some of the bars and CH was definitely the best with the best looking talent and a lot more energy than any other place on SC, at least when I went there.

    I have checked out Smooci a little in the last few days and the number of girls seems to be declining. One I have heard mentioned as good don't seem to be on there any longer and where my search used to turn up about 80 girls I now see only 40 or about the same time of day. This seems consistent for the last several days. Not sure what is going on.

  10. #391
    Quote Originally Posted by GrandaddyPerp  [View Original Post]
    Entitled may be a bit strong.

    I think it's a standard business practice for anyone to have the right to refuse service for any reason and in the case of sex workers, health is a major factor. Say a girl shows up and the guy immediately shows signs of being an abuser or he isn't clean or he has a noticeable STD. All three are reasons to not provide some .
    I may have understood your initial post on a girl having the right to refuse a service listed on her profile. Of course if there is a legitimate health reason such as an obvious infection in no way should she put herself at risk.

  11. #390
    Quote Originally Posted by EihTooms  [View Original Post]
    As it is cynical, unrealistic and abusive for a customer to regard the girl as nothing more than "meat" that must do his bidding, it is also cynical, unrealistic and abusive for the girl to regard the customer as nothing more than an "ATM" from which to withdraw 3,000+ baht even if she does not provide the listed services. Yep, even from the nut jobs. In fact, at a certain point, one could technically consider it "theft" for her not to voluntarily return the money or accept less or none of it without hassle and argument.
    A key thing that should be realized, especially in the light of how an app like Smooci may portray the ladies and their services, the scene isn't regulated. It's still illegal. There are no civil organizations that monitor health or business practices. But, we are seeing a shift in both regulation and a growing concern for health among the workers.

    More and more are becoming quite health conscience. BBBJ and CIM services are actually on the decline across the industry. A+ services are also way down. In addition, standard services have also changed. This can be based on a number of factors including a shift in customer base (Asians), governments cracking down on the industry, and the inflation of Bangkok entertainment industry as a whole. The internet has also had a massive influence as more and more ladies are able to FL which has taken the whole 'ST' business model and turned into more of a fast food type system.

    So, apps like Smooci can add a certain level of regulation in that it can be used as a soft guide to vet ladies and it will be interesting to see if this sort of system works out in the long run. But I think it may be foolish to assume that one app will change the mindset of Thai sex workers in that they see it as such a value to their business that they make a concerted effort to reach and maintain 4.5 or above. I think that for the most part, they have learned that beauty, especially on social media is the money maker.

  12. #389
    Quote Originally Posted by Tiandihui  [View Original Post]
    Exactly what I mean LOL.
    Ok. But you still have not provided any insight on why my actually personally going through the booking process via Smooci is required in order to, what, "validate" my asking questions and making comments about how the rating system works (or not) as it is presented on the website and about the typical or rather predictable behavior of Thai P4P girls and their customers. I have certainly watched the booking and after session rating process done by friends of mine so I know how that part of the deal works. I have even posted about what I observed here.

    And, as I mentioned, I am very well versed on what can and usually does occur between a customer (potentially me) and a Thai P4P girl after she arrives at the room. Hmm. Seems to me there are lots of posters on this thread who have not yet booked though Smooci but have questions and comments to make before they do. I would think that is a major reason this thread was started in the first place.

  13. #388
    Quote Originally Posted by Franciscass  [View Original Post]
    I agree with a lot of what you say particularly as it refers to nut job customers but sorry no it's not up to her whether she delivers on a service offered on her profile. If she specifies say CIM then the customer is entitled to get CIM. That's part of what he paid for and may even be the chief reason he booked her.
    I agree with you on that but also agree with GrandaddyPerp that it is up to the girl to decide if she will or will not honor and provide the listed services on her profile for a particular or, for that matter, any customer. The word for forcing a person to engage in sex against his/her will is not allowed on this site and will be "Coded". But we all know what it is.

    However, her declining to provide those services would also mean she needs to refund or ought not to get some or any of the money amount that is also listed on her profile.

    Fair is fair.

    As it is cynical, unrealistic and abusive for a customer to regard the girl as nothing more than "meat" that must do his bidding, it is also cynical, unrealistic and abusive for the girl to regard the customer as nothing more than an "ATM" from which to withdraw 3,000+ baht even if she does not provide the listed services. Yep, even from the nut jobs. In fact, at a certain point, one could technically consider it "theft" for her not to voluntarily return the money or accept less or none of it without hassle and argument.

  14. #387
    Quote Originally Posted by Franciscass  [View Original Post]
    I agree with a lot of what you say particularly as it refers to nut job customers but sorry no it's not up to her whether she delivers on a service offered on her profile. If she specifies say CIM then the customer is entitled to get CIM. That's part of what he paid for and may even be the chief reason he booked her.
    Entitled may be a bit strong.

    I think it's a standard business practice for anyone to have the right to refuse service for any reason and in the case of sex workers, health is a major factor. Say a girl shows up and the guy immediately shows signs of being an abuser or he isn't clean or he has a noticeable STD. All three are reasons to not provide some or any of the services, especially something like CIM or BBBJ.

    Of course if the customer is none of these things and the girl is a scammer than yes he would be in the right to be upset but he's still not entitled to anything but refusal of payment. Forcing a person to commit a sexual act after they've decided not to do it and regardless of the initial agreement is [CodeWord123]. Pure and simple.

  15. #386
    Quote Originally Posted by GrandaddyPerp  [View Original Post]
    To add to my previous post and in response to yours and the discussion about ladies who may not offer some services even if its posted on their profile, the reality of the P4P industry is that its still up to the lady.
    I agree with a lot of what you say particularly as it refers to nut job customers but sorry no it's not up to her whether she delivers on a service offered on her profile. If she specifies say CIM then the customer is entitled to get CIM. That's part of what he paid for and may even be the chief reason he booked her.

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