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  1. #209
    Quote Originally Posted by Johann2  [View Original Post]
    It's good to stay positive especially since it's your business but it is pretty obvious the feedback here has been mostly critical.

    I just hope you and your team are taking notes and honestly trying to address these concerns. I, for one, would like to try it but it just isn't where it needs to be yet for me to join. As you correctly stated, you are not challenging good agencies at all, that much is very clear. But that should be your goal, shouldn't it? Go big or go home. Just that admittance itself lessens my interest in your venture although the honesty is appreciated.

    Like I mentioned Dr. Covey earlier it goes back to achieving a win-win situation. I'm a big proponent of the agencies that do a wonderful job and pay them well for this. If I am to invest my time and capital in your business then I want to invest in the best or those who seek to be the best as I do in my endeavors. Anyway, that's my two cents for whatever it's worth. I'll be interested to see how things work out after a couple of months.
    I think you are twisting our words or have misread / misunderstood. We are most definitely challenging ALL agencies which come onto our platform, which is clear with the ratings, photo verification, and even the GPS tracking. No one is given any special treatment and all scores, comments, and photo ratings are left unedited. Each and every agency on our platform is made to take responsibility for their performance and service, as well as their advertisements / profile. And by doing that it is rewarding the good agencies and helping us to weed out the bad ones. In that way we very much agree with you, and our concept is to highlight the agencies and companions which offer the best.

    We are already completing over 150 bookings per day and are genuinely getting so much positive feedback, especially from users who contact us after their bookings. We are listening to all the suggestions and are trying to act on all common feedback. In fact the photo verification system was a result of conversations on here and two other forums, so we are very grateful for all the interest here.

    We will also have a big update coming up in the next 2-3 weeks, which are very excited about. Thanks again for all the support and feedback.

  2. #208
    Quote Originally Posted by SmoociApp  [View Original Post]
    Please don't confuse the discussions here as to indicating that there are problems with the rating system and other aspects of our platform. The purpose of this thread was to work with the community here in order to improve the system and shape it to the needs of the clients, so we very much encourage the criticism and suggestions on how to improve. The feedback we are getting is extremely positive and the system is working better than expected.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bkkdog  [View Original Post]
    This thread has a lot of members complaining about the Smooci rating system but most of the complainers haven't used the service.
    It's good to stay positive especially since it's your business but it is pretty obvious the feedback here has been mostly critical.

    I just hope you and your team are taking notes and honestly trying to address these concerns. I, for one, would like to try it but it just isn't where it needs to be yet for me to join. As you correctly stated, you are not challenging good agencies at all, that much is very clear. But that should be your goal, shouldn't it? Go big or go home. Just that admittance itself lessens my interest in your venture although the honesty is appreciated.

    Like I mentioned Dr. Covey earlier it goes back to achieving a win-win situation. I'm a big proponent of the agencies that do a wonderful job and pay them well for this. If I am to invest my time and capital in your business then I want to invest in the best or those who seek to be the best as I do in my endeavors. Anyway, that's my two cents for whatever it's worth. I'll be interested to see how things work out after a couple of months.

  3. #207
    Quote Originally Posted by Johann2  [View Original Post]
    I'm not in the wrong area as far as I know. I was responding to your question.

    My original point was in response to another poster regarding his overall opinion on Smooci and again the point is that escort agencies almost always are the better way to go. As others have mentioned, the feedback Star system is one of many issues with Smooci's approach. And I hardly see any posts related to bookings, it more consists of critiques of Smooci itself. Otherwise, everyone is in the wrong thread.
    We work with trusted agencies in Bangkok and when booking through Smooci we give you direct contact with the agency. You have the opportunity to send special requests and speak directly to the agency / companion before booking starts. If you have a strong preference to book directly with an agency you can also use our platform to search lots of the best agencies in one place, seeing which companions are available for your booking and reviewing their performance on the site, and then contact the agency directly outside of our system. So ultimately you can take advantage of some of our features without having to complete your booking through our system.

    We have been careful with regards to which agencies we've accepted on board, and we've rejected several Bangkok agencies who contacted us but didn't have a good enough reputation. Smooci isn't a rival to Escort agencies (not to the good ones at least), our concept is simply set up to create more openness and give the users a more informed choice, fairer pricing, and more control over their experience. The system is set out to reward the agencies and companions who offer genuine and high levels of service, and expose the agencies and companions who hide behind glossy ads and sites without delivering.

    Please don't confuse the discussions here as to indicating that there are problems with the rating system and other aspects of our platform. The purpose of this thread was to work with the community here in order to improve the system and shape it to the needs of the clients, so we very much encourage the criticism and suggestions on how to improve. The feedback we are getting is extremely positive and the system is working better than expected. We have already secured major partnerships in several key regions outside of Thailand, and we are getting close to some exciting new additions and the ability to allow independents on to our platform.

  4. #206

    I doubt it

    At 33 EihTooms. In my experience, people love to complain far more than they praise. So, I would be in favor of an essay style feedback option. Most people are skeptical anyway and will ignore the positive reviews. They will go straight to the negative ones. I know I always do this when ordering online because I know fake reviews are just so common and much more so in this business.

    What Smooci could do though is put a word limit as well as have tags that the customer can click that assess if the customer received what was requested when the booking was made. For example, the system would have ticks for BBBJ or CIM or whatever and then when the review is being completed after the session, there are prompts / boxes to again assess whether what was initially requested actually performed satisfactorily. There could be boxes for "Was photo accurate?" or any number of other things. Thereafter, customers could write their own personal feedback. Airbnb has something similar to this and I think it is great. It makes the review process much more efficient.

  5. #205
    Quote Originally Posted by Syzygies  [View Original Post]
    Yes we are in the wrong thread. This thread should relate to the Smooci web site bookings, and any difficulties with that.
    I'm not in the wrong area as far as I know. I was responding to your question.

    My original point was in response to another poster regarding his overall opinion on Smooci and again the point is that escort agencies almost always are the better way to go. As others have mentioned, the feedback Star system is one of many issues with Smooci's approach. And I hardly see any posts related to bookings, it more consists of critiques of Smooci itself. Otherwise, everyone is in the wrong thread.

  6. #204
    Quote Originally Posted by GasCan  [View Original Post]
    Hello, I will be in Bangkok on business this June and plan on using your service. I understand that you require some type of SMS verification prior to booking a girl. My question is what programs or apps do you use? I currently have a Viber and WhatsApp account I've used extensively in Europe. Are these adequate for verification and communication in Thailand?

    Thanks.
    You would need to put in an active phone number. An OTP would be sent to the number in order to confirm the booking, and further notifications to track your companion once they start their journey to you, and a review link once the booking is complete.

  7. #203
    Quote Originally Posted by WarmStone25  [View Original Post]
    The phrase "For example" is used which indicates that what follows is not comprehensive or definitive.
    Yes, and what follows "For example" is virtually without exception an issue of Truth in Advertising with regard to the accuracy of the pics and / or delivering on the services promised; "2 Stars: . For example, the appearance and / or hygiene of the companion was far from what was expected, the services were not as promised and for no acceptable reason, and / or the attitude or actions of the companion were disappointing, and with nothing notably positive to report, this would warrant a 2-star review. ".

    If a Smooci customer "liked", was "satisfied with" or otherwise still enjoyed his experience with a girl despite her obvious refusal to perform in earnest a key service or two listed on her profile and asked for by the customer, there are plenty of other ways for him to reward her for that "Yeah, but I still liked her anyway" result. He could give her a big tip on the way out. He could book her again ASAP. He could book her every day afterwards for the next month. He could ask for her Line ID and start dating her on the side. Maybe marry her. Many, many other ways for him to reward her for the nice "chemistry" or whatever.

    Why in the world must his approval of her also extend to lying to the Smooci customers that book her afterwards about her performance of those services by giving her a 4 or 5 Star Rating and thereby clearly and strongly convey the false impression that she DID perform the services as promised when she didn't?

    I don't see any hidden messages tucked in between the lines on those Smooci Star Rating Guidelines that covers the "Yeah, but I still liked her anyway" option. Thank gawd. Well, #4 is a little soft in that way. But not if taken in context of the other four criteria which are very strong on performance of the services/truth in advertising. The unique and eminently valuable and useful aspect of the Smooci Star Rating system is that it is virtually all about monitoring the performance of the girls re the accuracy of their pics and delivery (or not) of their promised services. Other Escort-related services offer feedback methods for the smitten customer to rhapsodize about how charming or beguiling this or that escort was. Smooci's Star Rating system as clearly laid out in their Guidelines isn't about that.

    Frankly, that is the reason I hope they never add a customer essay-style feedback option. Sure as the world those go-with-the-flow, roll-over, low demand, apologist customers will start making their heartfelt case for why an escort earned a high score based on junk that has nothing to do with the fact that she promised a BBBJ+CIM and came nowhere near providing one at crunch time. And then other customers will read that crap, might NOT ever see those Smooci Star Rating Guidelines (hidden as an Easter Egg on their site as it is) and off we go down the road to more crappy service with a smile, something the P4P industry in Bangkok or anywhere else definitely does not need more of, imo.

  8. #202
    Quote Originally Posted by Johann2  [View Original Post]
    This may not be the right place for this but I just feel this is a good way to go about things. And the more people with a genuine interest to improve the country the better.
    Yes we are in the wrong thread. This thread should relate to the Smooci web site bookings, and any difficulties with that.

    This is primarily a forum about getting sex, however would be good to have some threads that branch from the sex topic, I guess. Escorts don't provide sex only, however it is very much a paid transaction counting hours. This forum Escort Thread is not really about tour guide Escorts, or dinner companions, typically.

  9. #201

    For example

    Quote Originally Posted by EihTooms  [View Original Post]
    The Guidelines are not even introduced by Smooci as "suggestions", "starting points", or "something to consider. " Smooci knows very well what their unique Star Rating system is and is not about. Anyone reading it would know immediately those Star Ratings are not about whether the customer "liked" the girl or had "chemistry" with her.
    .
    The phrase "For example" is used which indicates that what follows is not comprehensive or definitive.

  10. #200
    Quote Originally Posted by Syzygies  [View Original Post]
    "help you out" ?

    Can you explain why Thai language helps? How does a trusted local "help you out"? I don't quite understand what sort of local with what special knowledge? Are you referring to just making private bookings with girls instead of Escorts, or girls not with an agency? Or somehow getting help to book an Escort? Your post seems rather unclear to me.

    You are allowed to use plain direct language here like "getting a fuck".
    Yes, I was vaguely hinting at something. It is much more than getting laid though. I wanted to hint at and encourage developing actual friendships and letting things flow from there if possible. This probably isn't an option for everyone but this is that win-win situation that Stephen Covey exhorts. I have had friends take care of me and ensure I wasn't lonely in some places I've gone when I was able to have meaningful relationships with them. Many here seek beautiful girls. Well, this is also what the locals seek as well and they have much better access than we do. It has been my experience that when they see someone bringing value and honor to themselves and Thailand then they want to keep you happy. And they don't mind sharing their treasures with you especially if you speak their language and show a love of their way of life / culture.

    This may not be the right place for this but I just feel this is a good way to go about things. And the more people with a genuine interest to improve the country the better.

  11. #199
    Quote Originally Posted by Tiandihui  [View Original Post]
    Its just a guideline and is very subjective and may be personal to some.

    An apple to one and is a cactus to others.

    Nothing can't be so precise and cater to every one differently.
    Have you read Smooci's Star Rating Guidelines on their website? Has anyone else here read them? LOL. I would say there is almost nothing subjective about them other than what one makes of the term "attitude", which is mentioned once in I believe 4 of the 5 rating explanations.

    The Guidelines are not even introduced by Smooci as "suggestions", "starting points", or "something to consider. " Smooci knows very well what their unique Star Rating system is and is not about. Anyone reading it would know immediately those Star Ratings are not about whether the customer "liked" the girl or had "chemistry" with her.

    Perhaps they should have used the word "Report" instead of "Rating". Because that is much closer to what they are asking the customer to do; Report on whether or not the girl's pics accurately represented her in person and, quite literally, did she or did she not perform the services stated on her profile. There is not one word about how the customer "felt" about her otherwise.

    Smooci, at least at the time of determining what niche in the market needed filling and therefore drawing up those remarkably objective 5 Star Rating Guidelines, knew and understood exactly what kind of communication was missing and therefore ought to be conveyed by their Stars. Namely, a means to report to the next potential escort customers if the girl actually looked anything like her pics and if the girl actually delivered the services she listed and said she would deliver. They are asking us to participate in a truth in advertizing statement, not an opportunity to share the joy and wonder of newfound inexplicable love.

    It is entirely fitting within the Smooci Star Rating system that a customer could fall head over heels in love with the sight and feel of his girl, have the most thrilling sexual experience of his life simply because it was with her yet truthfully give her a Smooci Star Rating (Report) of 2 because she pursed her lips and turned her head this way and that when he tried to DFK her and she made an icky face and ignored his request to engage in a BBBJ, both of which were listed on her profile.

    Sure, the customer can and I am sure some will reject Smooci's blatantly obvious mission with that rating system. I just wish Smooci would make a more concerted effort to have those guidelines read by the customer before booking and again before rating so the system would have a much better shot at representing this unique and very useful purpose.

  12. #198
    Its just a guideline and is very subjective and may be personal to some.

    An apple to one and is a cactus to others.

    Nothing can't be so precise and cater to every one differently.

  13. #197

    SMS Verification

    Hello, I will be in Bangkok on business this June and plan on using your service. I understand that you require some type of SMS verification prior to booking a girl. My question is what programs or apps do you use? I currently have a Viber and WhatsApp account I've used extensively in Europe. Are these adequate for verification and communication in Thailand?

    Thanks.

  14. #196
    Quote Originally Posted by WarmStone25  [View Original Post]
    Personal rating.

    An encounter with an escort, bar girl or free lancer is a personal and emotional experience. Each person will weight the criteria and apply his own criteria according to how he feels at the time.

    The Smoocii guide to rating should be taken as a guide and not a definitive formula. There is no formula that can describe an individuals emotions. It is pointless to argue that the system is not of any use unless it is consistently applied. As customers we are not consistent because we are emotional beings. The escorts that I booked did not do CIM or BBBJ. I did not mark them down for this because it did not matter to me. Other people would have insisted on this and marked them down if they did not provide this service. My feeling at the time is that they had satisfied my needs and matched the rating that they already had, so I in turn gave them a good rating. If the rating system is developed as it should be, you should be able to look at an escort with a good rating and think that there is a good chance of a successful encounter. The rating system can give no guarantee of this but at least you have some feed back and it would better than taking pot luck in the bar.
    Yes, but here is the problem with that. Smooci actually does have a Star Ratings Guidelines list on their website that in at least 3 of the 5 criteria guidelines quite literally factors in whether or not the girl actually did perform the services listed in her profile and expected (asked for?) by the customer. It isn't nearly as "subjective" or "personal" as your idea of why a customer would rate a girl highly or not. And I for one think that lack of subjectivity is a very good thing, one of the best things about the whole Smooci Star Rating concept, in fact. True, as I have pointed out, Smooci makes it all too easy for their booking customers and Star rating customers to miss seeing those guidelines and they really need to make sure they are pushed into the faces of everyone visiting that site and everyone about to submit a Star Rating afterwards (no, a link to the area on their website on the followup email is not enough).

    But the fact remains those Star Rating Guidelines are right there on the Smooci website where customers book the girls.

    That being the case, a browsing customer who has read those guidelines and is about to book a girl through Smooci based on her Star Rating has every reason to expect that 4. 6 Star Rating she has received likely means she is quite consistent about actually PERFORMING the services stated on her profile and not 90% based on how she looks when you swing open the hotel room door or whether or not the five guys before him happened to strike an interesting or sympathetic chemistry with the girl despite her unwillingness to deliver 2-3 of the services she promoted on her profile.

    Sure, if you didn't even ask for the services that the girl didn't perform for you and you were still satisfied with the outcome, why not give her a high rating. But if you did ask for them and she refused or just ignored you, then that is why the guidelines exist and you should have given her a low rating for it. They aren't guidelines for determining whether or not you "liked" the girl or were "satisfied" with the experience despite her not delivering services you asked for as stated on her profile. I am sure Smooci understands that whether or not and why a customer "liked" the girl cannot be rated or extrapolated to the next customer exactly. They are largely objective ratings guidelines on whether or not her pics accurately enough reflected how she looks and whether or not she delivered the services promised when asked for them. That's all. Brutally objective, perhaps. And that is what is unique and best about the Smooci Star Rating concept as laid out in those guidelines.

  15. #195
    Quote Originally Posted by Bkkdog  [View Original Post]
    This thread has a lot of members complaining about the Smooci rating system but most of the complainers haven't used the service. Myself being one of the guilty parties who haven't tried. Might I suggest some of you use the service and let us know if the girl matched her rating. I was supposed to try the service out last month but they did not deliver to my area. I plan to book a hotel in the Sukhumvit area soon and test them out. Come on guys, take one for the team and report. I'll do the same shortly and then we can all compare notes.
    I understand what you mean, Bkkdog. But I must say the reason I have not tried it myself yet is precisely because of the issue I have raised a couple of times already here and elsewhere. I have read too many Field Reports on these sites with Smooci users giving a girl a good or better review despite her not delivering on some critical (to me) service that the customer tried to engage her in but she wasn't having it. Additionally, I have "participated" in two different Smooci bookings and followup Star ratings with a couple of visiting friends to see what a typical Smooci experience is like. Other than the actual sex in the room, that is. LOL. By that I mean I followed along while the guys booked their girls and then rated them afterwards. In both cases, the guys had no idea there was even a Smooci list of 5 Star rating guidelines criteria on which those girls' Star ratings could have and should have been based and that they could have and WOULD have followed those guidelines had they known about them. But they didn't know about them.

    Consequently, each guy gave his girl a 4 Star rating even though they were annoyed that neither girl was willing to engage in simple DFK (which each girl said was part of the deal in her profile). And one of the girls did not deliver a requested BBBJ+CIM as indicated she would in her profile. One girl got a high rating from the guy because she begged him to give her a high rating on the way out the door. The other guy gave his girl a high rating because he thought she was cute. In each case, the guy said he never would have given his girl a rating higher than a 3 and maybe not even that high if he had known those 5 Star Rating Guidelines existed on the Smooci site and therefore would have known that "did not perform stated services" was a major reason for giving those girls either a 1 or 2 Star rating and not higher.

    That is why I have time and again suggested Smooci put their 5 Star rating guideline criteria smack in the face of the booking customers and the customers asked in the followup email to submit a rating for the girl they just sessioned with. Otherwise, the whole concept of paying these girls to actually PERFORM the services they promise in their profiles and then giving them a fair rating according to whether they did or did not PERFORM those services (if asked for or attempted by the customer, of course) is a moot point and the Star Rating system is utterly useless. Even counterproductive.

    The Smooci Star Rating Guidelines, which apparently Smooci would like to keep hidden as an Easter Egg as of this writing, is very big on whether or not the girl actually PERFORMED the services promised. That is what I find valuable about the idea of it. Instead, I read review after review and worry after worry over whether or not the Star Rating system accurately reflects how the girl looks. Really, guys? The girl not looking attractive enough to fuck her or get blown by her is one of the easiest and least costly and uncomfortable factors to deal with when booking a girl through Smooci. If the girl shows up and looks so unattractive and so unlike her Smooci profile pics that you cannot fathom spending 3,000+ baht to fuck her or get blown by her, you hand her 50-100 baht for taxi fare, tell her this wasn't what you had in mind and thank her for her time and mini line-up. Ok, if it gets as far as her undressing before you realize she really misled you with those photo-shopped profile pics, you hand her 100-150 baht for taxi fare and her time.

    As uncomfortable as that might sound, believe me it is no where near as costly and uncomfortable as being 40 minutes into a session with a girl who said on her profile that she will deliver a BBBJ+CIM only to find out at the moment of completion she really meant a Hand Job with some oral foreplay thrown in. Oh, and, btw, now that Handjob has cost you 3,000+ baht. LOL.

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