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  1. #3486
    Quote Originally Posted by Polyamorist  [View Original Post]
    Well, there must be some trick to it. Even when they do respond, don't you find they play coy, or act flaky, or say crap like, "I'm so busy today, I might be able to sandwich you in between two other guys at 6 pm"? Too much of the same BS that guys are used to on the regular dating scene.
    I mean, jeez, what do you have to say to get these high-priced girls to pay attention? Maybe "I prefer all-nighters, and will fly you to my private island" ?
    I met a reasonably priced indy and had a session with her. We exchanged all correspondence on Whatsapp and all went without a hitch. If I recall, I spent 90 E for 30 minutes instead of the 50 I usually spent at Farrell or the 75 at Top Damas.

    The next year, I went back and asked the Indy, rather than 2 pops in one session, can I split the sessions into 2 seperate ones. One this morning, and one tonight (all at the regular price).

    No hesitation on her part when she said, " sure ".

    I found dealing with Barcelona escorts (both brothel and Indy) to be a breeze.

    Maybe I'm just lucky.

    Best Regards.

    Smuler.

  2. #3485
    Quote Originally Posted by Polyamorist  [View Original Post]
    it is the mamasan deciding who to give you.
    I do not think this is true.

    I found this place on Sexo Mercado. I made an initial appointment with Xesca. I arrived, met the mamasan (in her 30's, certainly no old woman), and had my session with Xesca. Xesca then sent in another girl to meet me, and asked if I was interested in a duo next time. I told her I would think about it. I then decided to see Xesca for another appointment the next morning before I left the brothel that day.

    I thought about the other girl the rest of that night.

    When I arrived the next morning, Xesca came into the room. I asked Xesca if I could see the other girl instead (asked her if she minded). She said, " no problem with a smile.

    I then sessioned with that girl (Sira Duran), and arranged with Xesca in the hallway before I left to see her that night.

    I then went that night to see Xesca before I went to Amsterdam the next morning and before I left I exchanged many passionate kisses with both Sira and Xesca in the hallway.

    The mamasan was part of the initial meeting, but IMHO, it was the girls after that who decided whether to see me or not.

    Best Regards.

    Smuler.

  3. #3484
    Polyamorist,

    All the ladies I have reviewed have responded within 24 hours of an initial email or text. I usually contact them few weeks before.

    In general, I find that escorts prefer advance appointments. Perhaps they are not being coy when they offer to fit a guy in between appointments. Those other appointments might have been made well in advance by others.

    I realize that model does not work for everyone.

    I have not been to Devorah Suites. I think I mentioned it in that post because someone either wanted to avoid a CBJ or wanted someone in the 18-29 year old range, and based on the reviews of other trusted members, I perceived that they had more to offer in that category than Felina or Top Damas or Apricots or one of the other larger commercial brothels.

    I don't find Barcelona abnormally expensive, especially in comparison to other countries with a good escort scene. A person can go through the ads and the reviews on this site and the many reviews on sexomercadobcn and by planning ahead a bit come up with a nice list of ladies to see. He can space reasonable time between each, and no what service offerings are available without worrying about constant upsells.

    I get amazed reading the FKK reviews regarding fighting off sharks, and how someone who reports not having an enjoyable time is blamed for not being experienced enough in how an FKK works. I have never heard of this problem with escorts or brothels.

  4. #3483
    Quote Originally Posted by Mongerer88  [View Original Post]
    But I get a response rate of 80 percent or more in Barcelona. Same with Madrid, except the response rate was more like 70 percent or so.
    Well, there must be some trick to it. Even when they do respond, don't you find they play coy, or act flaky, or say crap like, "I'm so busy today, I might be able to sandwich you in between two other guys at 6 pm"? Too much of the same BS that guys are used to on the regular dating scene.

    I mean, jeez, what do you have to say to get these high-priced girls to pay attention? Maybe "I prefer all-nighters, and will fly you to my private island" ?

    Or go through an agency? But you are paying an extra 50 euros for that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mongerer88  [View Original Post]
    That having been said, I think that Germany fucks over the rest of Europe. When you hear the nonsense from the abolitionists, they are always talking about Germany. There is in-your-face advertising of commercial sex in Germany, even on side of the bus billboards that kids see. The FKKs are full of Romanian women who have very low incomes.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mongerer88  [View Original Post]
    I am a Green John. I would like this activity to be sustainable. I just don't think the way the Germans approach it is a model of sustainability. Big well-advertised clubs with lots of low-cost imported labor from poor countries is just not the way to go from a public relations standpoint, in my opinion.
    Well, some of these Romanian girls will earn in two weeks in an FKK what they would earn back in their own country in a whole year in a regular job. So they get this big money and send it back to Romania, injecting money into the local economy. Some girls have it all figured out: by their thirties they will be rich enough to buy property, and then rent it out, having a good income even after they retire from FKK'ing. You could argue that is a sustainable model.

    On the other hand. What happens when Romania solves some of its corruption problem and wages go up, the same they have in every other country? After Latvia climbed out of total poverty to relative poverty, Lativan girls disappeared from the scene. But Latvian girls were only 10% of the market, and Romanian are 80%. There is over-dependence there, there is fragility in the market. And when it gets too organized and visible, it becomes a target. There are the shadowy pimp networks wanting an ever-increasing share of the money flowing through the system. There are the old-woman governments who just hate the idea of sex in general. I have to agree, with current trends a more diversified scene like there is in Spain may have a better chance of survival.

  5. #3482

    Farell X

    Quote Originally Posted by Mongerer88  [View Original Post]
    That is why I recommend to people that they check out the smaller places like Farell X and Devorah Suites, or see a reviewed independent.
    Devorah is mediocre in my opinion, all 3 branches. OK, some people say my standards are too high.

    Farell X is a special case with its own business model. It has some major advantages, also significant disadvantages:

    ADVANTAGES.

    1. Hot women, especially Brazilians with great bodies.

    2. Relatively cheap.

    3. Minimum service level is higher than other brothels, for example BBBJ is the norm.

    DISADVANTAGES.

    1. You can't go and see a lineup. You have to make an appointment with a girl.

    2. Phone numbers for the girls are fake. All your passionate Whatsapp conversations are with an old lady. If you text a number of girls, it is the mamasan deciding who to give you.

    3. Girls come and go rapidly, so if you find one you like you might not be able to repeat for a long time.

  6. #3481

    Barcelona does it right

    Polyamorist,

    All the ladies I review have promptly answered my emails or texts when I was a first time customer.

    I have been researching Porto. I will likely use my favorite Portugal escort service. But I noticed a city of love ad for an independent escort that interested me. I emailed her, used her contact form, then texted her. No response. So the hell with her.

    I have not contacted that many Barcelona providers who did not respond. But I can definitely remember at least four who did not. So I simply said the hell with them. But I get a response rate of 80 percent or more in Barcelona. Same with Madrid, except the response rate was more like 70 percent or so. I have never been a Slumi fan. I do believe that lower prices correlates to a lower response rate, especially if the provider needs to translate the message into Spanish. A lady will do more administrative work if she thinks it will result in ultimately earning 150 euros per hour instead of 50 euros.

    I don't always fit in well with many ISG posters. I enjoy a full hour with an escort involving multiple pops. I detest CBJs and I love a lady who plays all three holes, loves toys, and is a bit experimental sexually as well as being fun to talk to. It is rare to find all of that with one lady, but as many of those activities as possible is great. I prefer a nice hotel or an incall apartment. I like to go to the bathroom (#1) in between rounds, and many lower-cost incall places don't have a toilet. Even if a lady speaks no English, a person can see the horror on her face when a customer does #1 in the shower. My point is that reviews are essential for the what I like, so I try to contribute, and hope for reciprocation.

    I also value my non-session time in Europe. If I feel that I must spend 3 or 4 hours in an FKK to get my money's worth, that is a lot of time I can't spend elsewhere in a given location.

    I never go over to the FKK section and fight with people. But ISG is full of guys who proclaim the superiority of FKKs in non-FKK forums. I feel like the little old lady in the movie Orgazmo (the FKK guys are the Mormons).

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8CTt2W-ntW8

    That having been said, I think that Germany fucks over the rest of Europe. When you hear the nonsense from the abolitionists, they are always talking about Germany. There is in-your-face advertising of commercial sex in Germany, even on side of the bus billboards that kids see. The FKKs are full of Romanian women who have very low incomes. It gives ammunition to the abolitionists who want to restrict prostitution throughout Europe, even if their arguments are wrong and badly misguided. It will be damn interesting how the new restrictive German laws turn out starting in July.

    Spain does it right. It is very easy to find what you want, without disturbing those who disapprove. Commercial sex is hidden and is diversified. Everything from big commercial brothels (who have the common sense not to over-advertise) to high priced independents who defy any stereotype. One of my favorite Barcelona escorts, Laura Conte, was one of the most intelligent people I have ever met. She was a graduate student and I have no doubt she is very accomplished now in a different field now that she no longer escorts.

    I am a Green John. I would like this activity to be sustainable. I just don't think the way the Germans approach it is a model of sustainability. Big well-advertised clubs with lots of low-cost imported labor from poor countries is just not the way to go from a public relations standpoint, in my opinion.

  7. #3480

    Musings on the escort market

    Can I say what a beautiful city Barcelona is to live in or spend time in? The architecture, the trees, the beach, and especially the sunshine when most of Europe is gray and freezing. Also the healthy food. Whereas in the US you see a burger place on every street and in Germany a pastry shop on every street, in Barcelona it's a fruit shop on every street. Nice to have a city that gives a damn about the life expectancy of its denizens. And the escort scene is one of the liveliest in Europe. But it's not all roses:

    Quote Originally Posted by Zimmerbaby  [View Original Post]
    Have made several attempts to establish contact with providers from Slumi and Passion. No one speaks english, the conversations ends when I ask if they speak english. One girl actually responded "Yes". She laughed and replied "Fuck you! Seems like I have to stick with the ham and local food. Any tip from you dear gentlemen?
    This is an old comment, but I think a lot of guys run into it including myself, so it's worth talking about.

    In brief, I don't think it's your lack of Spanish, zbaby. I think it's a tight market. Too much demand chasing too little supply.

    The escort market is similar to a dating market. It shares the same characteristics of dating markets the world over. A bunch of guys aged 18-70 chasing the nubile demographic, I. E. Women aged 18-35. That's a ratio of 3:1. If you factor out the unfuckables, it looks even worse. A really harsh market for guys. OK, it's even harsher on aging women about to drop off the market but that's a different tale.

    Take the stars that Mongerer88 is always talking about, like Xesca, Norkys, Jacqueline, etc. They will easily get their regulars and be earning 500+ a day, right? Once they're in that comfortable situation, explain why they would be answering calls from total strangers any more than Rihanna or Taylor Swift would? Why should mongers be surprised and indignant when our messages and phone calls go unanswered?

    After these girls get so many adoring, semi-desperate guys (read the reviews), it's kind of amazing if they *don't* start acting like Taylor Swift.

    What about girls who are not stars but reasonably fuckable? Well, the cost of living is low in Spain. If a girl is earning 100 euros per encounter, compare that to waitressing wages. All she really needs is one guy a day to live comfortably. If she is getting dozens of calls a day, she is going to get weary of them real quick.

    On the customer side a tough market is a miserable experience. General rule is: if it's a good deal your call will go unanswered. If it's a bad deal they will push themselves on you. Same in the real estate market, the job market, any market.

    It's frustrating. You carefully pick 20 girls of high quality, try them all. No response. Finally the 20th answers! Yay! Then you double-check and find this is the one bad option you contacted accidentally. It turns out she is way too old, or has terrible reviews, or ten babies, or lives fifty miles away, or it's an agent pretending to be a girl or -- it's always something.

    Compare it to searching for a nice apartment in Manhattan. After a while you are just going to feel battered.

    One of the suggestions to Zimmerbaby was that he could improve his response rate by aiming at a higher class of girl, I. E. Paying more. Doesn't really work in this market in my experience. Why not? Well, a 50-euro girl is used to guys offering her 50 euros. A 200-euro girl is used to guys offering her 200 euros. If you offer 200 euros to a 200-euro girl, that doesn't make you a special customer. Her attitude remains the same.

    In an FKK you are insulated from all these market frustrations, and best of all, what you see is what you get. No crazy blind date situations (I could go on). Yes, as an inveterate incorrigible FKK goer, I'm biased. I think you've been doing the escort scene longer than me, Mongerer88 -- so maybe you think there's something I am just not getting. If you have counterarguments, I'd be happy to listen.

  8. #3479

    Best erotic massage parlors in Barcelona

    Can someone put the best erotic massage parlors in Barcelona? And the worst also.

    I read about Perla Negra, Felina, Appricot, Sakura et cetera.

  9. #3478
    Barcelona doesn't have those, and thank god for that.

    You don't want a mix of gawking tourists watching you make a selection.

    And when a city gets a reputation as seedy, there is an efforts to minimize the commercial sex market to avoid turning off the potential tourists who would disapprove.

    Also, window brothels lead to lousy service from older women.

    The Amsterdam window brothel ladies are very often CBJ only. If that is what you are looking for, fine. But most of us aren't.

    And you are not going to get local college hotties working a window brothel while her friends and family might stroll by.

    You say Barcelona has a few brothels. If you will read back 20 or so pages (ISG is anything but efficient) you will find there are more brothels than can be listed, as well as countless independents advertising on the web. The picture on your screen is the window, and her advertised services and the reviews are your guide as to whether she looks like the pics and what services she offers (BBBJTCIM, Greek, multiple cums in the hour, etc). If you use google chrome to open sexomercadobcn, you will find more detailed reviews than you will find here.

    The Amsterdam window brothels preceded the Internet. They are in my opinion becoming a relic of the past.

    Quote Originally Posted by Xfreak0000  [View Original Post]
    Hello?

    After studying this forum, it seems like there is no window sex brothel like Amsterdam, but a few private sex brothels, which cost around 100 Euro.

    But, I want to try Window sex brothel where you can see the girls outside to find your one then get in, fuck and done as easy.

    Can you tell me where it is? I am staying near las Ramblas so prefer close ones, but if necessary I will travel.

  10. #3477
    Quote Originally Posted by Xfreak0000  [View Original Post]
    Hello?

    After studying this forum, it seems like there is no window sex brothel like Amsterdam, but a few private sex brothels, which cost around 100 Euro.

    But, I want to try Window sex brothel where you can see the girls outside to find your one then get in, fuck and done as easy.

    Can you tell me where it is? I am staying near las Ramblas so prefer close ones, but if necessary I will travel.
    If you want a window sex brothel, go to Amsterdam!

  11. #3476
    Quote Originally Posted by Hotrod10  [View Original Post]
    I'm now in MAD and bored. I'm thinking of a trip to BCN. I was in BCN 10 years ago and as I remember not much happening. Reading your reports it seems to have improver alot. I'm interested in live sex on stage. Any member have any info on this?
    I don't see any reason for you to go to Barcelona if you consider Madrid to be boring. I've never been bored or short of options in Madrid. If you can't have fun in Madrid just give up.

  12. #3475

    Sex brothel

    Hello?

    After studying this forum, it seems like there is no window sex brothel like Amsterdam, but a few private sex brothels, which cost around 100 Euro.

    But, I want to try Window sex brothel where you can see the girls outside to find your one then get in, fuck and done as easy.

    Can you tell me where it is? I am staying near las Ramblas so prefer close ones, but if necessary I will travel.

  13. #3474
    Quote Originally Posted by Tomjackin  [View Original Post]
    With a serious cover charge!
    Indeed, but 100 Euros for a 2 h live show, just in front f your nose with 4-5 females and 2 male porn stars, with audience participation, that's not so bad, if that's your thing. Normally, since you get a CBJ on stage at then end, you don't even end up with blue balls. But you need to cum fast within max 2=3 min, otherwise you are left. Well stupid with your erect cock and the condom in view of all.

  14. #3473
    Quote Originally Posted by Vagabond  [View Original Post]
    Bagdad nightcub has it.
    With a serious cover charge!

  15. #3472
    Quote Originally Posted by Hotrod10  [View Original Post]
    I'm now in MAD and bored. I'm thinking of a trip to BCN. I was in BCN 10 years ago and as I remember not much happening. Reading your reports it seems to have improver alot. I'm interested in live sex on stage. Any member have any info on this?
    Bagdad nightcub has it.

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