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  1. #17293
    Quote Originally Posted by Riina  [View Original Post]
    I posted the above today on USG. I witnessed a beautiful 22 year old Ukrainian girl break down today in despair as to how same age guys have treated her so badly. Now to put this in context, I met this girl at twenty. The only boy she would accept at that time was another Ukrainian. Then comes two years of getting dicked around by useless boys in her village. Early August she returns to America and finds an Arab boyfriend a month later. She tells me she has fallen in love. Turns out the dude had a girlfriend and was playing her. She was broken. She starts telling me how Ukrainian guys treat girls badly. Spills the beans as to their beastly behavior. She never talked like that. She starts telling me how kind older guys are and she wasn't going to mess around with stupid boys anymore. It was a bizzaro encounter. A girl completely changed her mentality from sweet Ukrainian boys to tagging them useless fools. This is a girl that will find an older boyfriend now and doesn't care what nationality he is. She wants love. This change in thinking is common in Ukraine. It's why we go.
    "Spills the beans as to their beastly behavior. " Can you elaborated on the "their beastly behavior"? Like what??

  2. #17292
    Quote Originally Posted by Riina  [View Original Post]

    By the way, she lost the boyfriend. He had a girlfriend. Today she shared with me how she would like to find an older boyfriend, maybe a thirty something. These fricken Ukrainian girls are all the same. They get dicked around by boys their own age and all of a sudden they start looking at older guys. It's why that Ukrainian phenomenon of guys traveling to Ukraine exists. Two years ago, she was all in love with Ukrainian boys and as of today she shared how they don't treat the girls well. And how kind older guys can be. Jajajajajajajajajajaja. Same story over and over again.
    I posted the above today on USG. I witnessed a beautiful 22 year old Ukrainian girl break down today in despair as to how same age guys have treated her so badly. Now to put this in context, I met this girl at twenty. The only boy she would accept at that time was another Ukrainian. Then comes two years of getting dicked around by useless boys in her village. Early August she returns to America and finds an Arab boyfriend a month later. She tells me she has fallen in love. Turns out the dude had a girlfriend and was playing her. She was broken. She starts telling me how Ukrainian guys treat girls badly. Spills the beans as to their beastly behavior. She never talked like that. She starts telling me how kind older guys are and she wasn't going to mess around with stupid boys anymore. It was a bizzaro encounter. A girl completely changed her mentality from sweet Ukrainian boys to tagging them useless fools. This is a girl that will find an older boyfriend now and doesn't care what nationality he is. She wants love. This change in thinking is common in Ukraine. It's why we go.

  3. #17291

    Don't forget to add & in front of number when you text or chat in whatsapp

    Damn it, dear friends.

    Do not ignore " sign in front of phone number. Dang. This is a MUST.

    If you press "0" for a while, then it pops. Whatsapp requires this number.

  4. #17290
    I see no problem with Drama sharing his Kiev negativity. He might spare a brother from staking thousands of dollars for pure disappointment. He kind of balances out the utter BS here.

    The above said, if you have the money and time, go for it. Their's fun to be had, unlike my home city where civilian fun is pretty hopeless.

  5. #17289

    Putting down Kiev, Ukraine.

    I agree with most of what you have to say DramaFree11 but that is true of all places in the world. I mean every single place all the way down to the poorest countries such as Venezuela. Every single place where you feel that hot 10's can be had for less than $200 is not true any more. You may get lucky but that would be an exception. If the girl is starting to work. I can give you examples every where. 10 looking Girls in Medellin, Colombia want 500,000 pesos for 2 to 3 hrs dates now (which is $170). This would be never possible 5 to 10 years back. Even some are now asking 1 million pesos ($300). In Venezuela hot girl 10 quality will not ask you for that sort of money but that she would want an iPhone to be with you Ofcourse she will pretend this is for being your girl friend. HAHHA. Now these two are amongst cheapest place. Bangkok Hot girls 10 quality are going for 12,000 bhat for the night ($350) and this not even imported girls I am saying local hot 10 quality girl. Again the heavens of mongering. Cuba same thing Hot looking girls will ask $200 for the night and in between the night will try to leave. Rio de Janeiro where I started mongering back in 2002 when I felt this city has so many hores that prices will never come to US standard and in 2002 it was $100 for an HR in the most expensive center fold club and back in golden ages girls may ask $130 for all night and that was frowned upon. Now if you go to Rio De Janeiro super hot girls will ask you $300 a night. Now all these places are mongering paradises. All these places are where people travel 1000's of miles to get mongering. Reason being that on average you can still pay $50 - $ 70 for a 7 to 8 looks girls and if you know the lay of the land and repeat at same city many times you will get the edge.

    So when you talking 10 quality girls prices every where in the world has gone UP. Welcome to the Age of Internet where Demand is super high for 10 quality girls and supply is super short.

    If I am giving you all these examples I am not making all this up. Those who frequent any of these places will let you know that the prices above are in general nature exact to the dot.

    So there is no need to be so negative on Kiev. It is the only place that I know of that has model type girls at a decent range in price and is different from Latinas and for those who like white blonds this place is to be tasted for sure.

    If you know of a better place please let me know and I would visit as well but mean while the access of girls in Kiev is still not that bad.

    Happy Hunting.

    John.

    Quote Originally Posted by DramaFree11  [View Original Post]
    John,

    Thank you for the Kind words. I wish the same for you. There are many lies told on this page. Many Guys claim to be banging multiple Hot Girls and in Short Periods of time. This is almost impossible and not true. I have been consistent with all my posts. If you have Ground Game and a decent Budget you have a chance, but not for Top Level Girls, 6's are attainable. The Hot Girls are just not around and have not been for a long time. Many Guys also comment how easy and cheap Girls are in Kiev. Then they are posting the girls they are meeting are from Gia and Rio, both are not cheap. I just do not want to see hard working Guys, that can not speak Russia or on a Budget travel to Kiev. They can be real taken advantage of and probably will not have a good time.

    Positives:

    1. Kiev is safe, very cheap, easy to rent long term apartments.

    2. Many activities.

    3. Food is good, service is hit or miss.

    4. Taxi are cheap and helpful.

    5. Many average girls available and will talk with older guys. Top Level Girls not available and not interested in Foreign Guys, "Said by many, beside myself".

    6. Rio and Gia marginal, but expensive. Guys on a budget will not be able to afford this.

    7. Night Clubs and Restaurants are beautiful, The High End Places are empty most of the time.

    8. Weather is Amazing 9-10 months out of the year.

    9. If you have ground game, you can have a good time, but most people do not have these skills.

    Cons.

    1. Internet 99% pictures fake.

    2. Nightlife is horrible, Friday's are OK.

    A. Guy to Girl Ratio is real bad and has been for several years.

    3. Many Scams.

    A. Many Girls are paid Commission from Restaurants and Night Clubs on how much they get Guys to spend. This is not talked about much on this site and is very common practice.

    4. Guys and Girls are leaving the Country for better opportunities. The best and brightest are leaving in record numbers and this has nothing to do with the new Visa Rules. Very easy to pay someone for Fake Documents.

    5. Sex Tourist.

    6. City is dead after 9 pm.

    7. When you are talking with girls on-line, most of the time you are not talking with the real person. Again this is not talked about.

    8. Apartments seen for Girls is dreadful.

    I will continue to call out Guys that Claim they are banging Hot Chick. Average girls are attainable, but takes good attitude, money, time, and hard work.

  6. #17288
    I agree with almost everything Dramafree11 posted except It's still possible to bang hot girls in Kiev but it is not easy at all. If you're young and hot looking guy you can even pick them for free as in anywhere else. I'm young but not a hot looking guy and my only advantage is I speak Russian, not shy, friendly and travel to Kiev frequently. Most of the hot girls are not interested in one time sex money trades and they think if you're foreigner you're a sex tourist. Believe me there are plenty ukrainian men and foreign businessmen in Kiev who spends ridiculous amount of money on those girls. If you don't believe me visit places such as Chi, Avalon, Alaska and you will see yourself. One of my lady friends who is 22 and solid 9 blonde was bragging last time that how one rich doctor from London is begging her to marry him. I told her maybe she should agree and move to England. She laughed at me and told me she easily makes 5 k $ a month and travels to different countries every month so what's the point to get married and loose her independence. I couldn't argue with her.

    Best time to meet semipros in my personal experience are end of the month (when they need money to pay the bills) and weekdays. Weekends usually are harder because most of them spend it with friends, families and regular clients aka sponsors.

    As Coyle mentioned Khreshatyk street is a good place to pick girls when weather is nice but you need to have plenty time to hunt them down. Another good place are malls such as Gulliver there's always some hotties walking around. My dutch friend usually approaches girls on the street or in the mall and pretends that he's lost or looking for some place and initiates conversation. Old trick but still works.

    Coyle, if you're staying on Khreshatik check it out Budha bar but after 11 pm and Dali Park to pick girls.

    P.S. sorry for any mistypes, I'm posting from my cell phone..

  7. #17287

    2nd day in Kiev. Score 1.5

    1. Allure massage. Fucking shit hole. Avoid. Bed sheet was filthy with sperm marks, girl just does her job. After first finish, ordered me to go take a shower (damn. I was worried about my wallet).

    Advice: when you entered the room. If it is not your taste or not what you saw on the internet, get the fuxx out of there. 2500 UAH wasted for 1. 5 hours.

    2. Met a girl from ukrainedate. Spent $40 on nice dinner, wine, music at the apartment, deep kissing, petting. GFE. Damn it. It was so good. Upper body was so sexy in all, but not my type tho. Legs were not. Long and slim. You know. When you date a girl, waitress is hotter than your date, fuck. It messes up your spirit. Had to drink a few to get my inner horny child out to get the job done.

    3. Kreshatyk street. My apartment has a balcony overlooking Tum department store and street. Man. It's quite a scene. Boys picking up girls, middle easterns are picking up a angelic looking girl (obviously three some), other dudes checking escort sites / meet and negotiate terms. Those who can never afford shopping here (this is like 5th avenue in New York city) are just roaming and walking by. I should try this street tomorrow.

    4. Street hunting, club hunting, and having girls from other parts of ukraine come over and spend nights together. Are on my list. I will get 10 rejections and get laid 1 hot girl. That's my tomorrow's goal.

  8. #17286
    Quote Originally Posted by John  [View Original Post]
    Wow.

    This guy really hates Kiev. I don't know what he is upto but he has 44 posts and almost 40 plus are written only against Kiev with zero information for us. I hope he gets banned by admin.

    If you don't have specifics please don't post. Every single post dedicated to make Kiev look bad.

    I agree Kiev is over priced definitely so. But Girls are still beautiful. I am sure that is why people keep going back. October I will go second time to Kiev in last one year. I go more often to Medellin, Colombia and Venezuela (both places) are best mongering places in the world I would go as far as that those two places are amongst top 5 mongering destinations in world.

    I still want to go Kiev as well because variety is name of the game.

    Happy Hunting.

    John.
    John,

    Thank you for the Kind words. I wish the same for you. There are many lies told on this page. Many Guys claim to be banging multiple Hot Girls and in Short Periods of time. This is almost impossible and not true. I have been consistent with all my posts. If you have Ground Game and a decent Budget you have a chance, but not for Top Level Girls, 6's are attainable. The Hot Girls are just not around and have not been for a long time. Many Guys also comment how easy and cheap Girls are in Kiev. Then they are posting the girls they are meeting are from Gia and Rio, both are not cheap. I just do not want to see hard working Guys, that can not speak Russia or on a Budget travel to Kiev. They can be real taken advantage of and probably will not have a good time.

    Positives:

    1. Kiev is safe, very cheap, easy to rent long term apartments.

    2. Many activities.

    3. Food is good, service is hit or miss.

    4. Taxi are cheap and helpful.

    5. Many average girls available and will talk with older guys. Top Level Girls not available and not interested in Foreign Guys, "Said by many, beside myself".

    6. Rio and Gia marginal, but expensive. Guys on a budget will not be able to afford this.

    7. Night Clubs and Restaurants are beautiful, The High End Places are empty most of the time.

    8. Weather is Amazing 9-10 months out of the year.

    9. If you have ground game, you can have a good time, but most people do not have these skills.

    Cons.

    1. Internet 99% pictures fake.

    2. Nightlife is horrible, Friday's are OK.

    A. Guy to Girl Ratio is real bad and has been for several years.

    3. Many Scams.

    A. Many Girls are paid Commission from Restaurants and Night Clubs on how much they get Guys to spend. This is not talked about much on this site and is very common practice.

    4. Guys and Girls are leaving the Country for better opportunities. The best and brightest are leaving in record numbers and this has nothing to do with the new Visa Rules. Very easy to pay someone for Fake Documents.

    5. Sex Tourist.

    6. City is dead after 9 pm.

    7. When you are talking with girls on-line, most of the time you are not talking with the real person. Again this is not talked about.

    8. Apartments seen for Girls is dreadful.

    I will continue to call out Guys that Claim they are banging Hot Chick. Average girls are attainable, but takes good attitude, money, time, and hard work.

  9. #17285
    As someone who travels to Kiev every month past 3 years I will tell you again, if you're on budget, doesn't speak russian or travel there for a short time period Kiev is not the best place for mongering. So when someone criticize Kiev there's no need to overreact, that person just shares his personal opinion and experience. My favorite places for mongering is Russia and german fkks. Unfortunately couldn't travel to Russia lately for a political reasons. Russian girls are more open minded and straight forward than ukrainian girls and there plenty of websites with real photos. I work with ukrainians so many years and all I can say you need to be careful with those people. You can still get a girl for 100 $ or less in Kiev but she will not be 9 or 10,7 at the best. Most my partners highly spoke about Kharkiv, I personally haven't been there but I'm sure since prices are cheaper there you can get girls also for a cheaper prices. Cheap targets in Kiev are single moms, girls from regions who moved there to make a living and freshmen students. All other model looking girls who you might see on instagram with thousands of followers are looking for long term sponsors who will be paying all their expenses. You can still manage to get some of them but be ready to pay AT LEAST 200 $. By the way during my last trip (2 weeks ago) I managed to bang miss Ukraine 2015 contestant from Zaporozye for 250 $ for 3 hours. I will try to post detailed information about my last trip in upcoming days. Also please don't think you can impress hot girls in Kiev with your American, Canadian or european passports. Those days are gone. Mamba lately is not good also only 6 and 7's are left. Tinder became popular among working girls but there're many no working girls also, so it's time consuming to figure out who is who.

    P.S. I will be back to Kiev in October 9th for a week with my partner from Netherlands if someone would like to meet, chase girls and exchange contacts let me know. Just let you know I don't sleep with [CodeWord902] girls (18 and younger), please if you're into that keep it to yourself and don't contact me.

  10. #17284

    Ironic

    Ironic his nickname is "drama free". LOL. The nightlife might not be crazy every night during the week but there is something fun to do every night at least.

    Quote Originally Posted by John  [View Original Post]
    Wow.

    This guy really hates Kiev. I don't know what he is upto but he has 44 posts and almost 40 plus are written only against Kiev with zero information for us. I hope he gets banned by admin.

    If you don't have specifics please don't post. Every single post dedicated to make Kiev look bad.

    I agree Kiev is over priced definitely so. But Girls are still beautiful. I am sure that is why people keep going back. October I will go second time to Kiev in last one year. I go more often to Medellin, Colombia and Venezuela (both places) are best mongering places in the world I would go as far as that those two places are amongst top 5 mongering destinations in world.

    I still want to go Kiev as well because variety is name of the game.

    Happy Hunting.

    John.

  11. #17283

    1st day in Kiev

    It's pretty damn hot here.

    Okay dear mongers. Here is a few tips.

    1. I used airport currency exchange. Mistake. They are expensive. Don't do this. Their exchange rate is worse than those in downtown. I got 24 UAH:1 dollar for you $ 1,000. I could have gotten 26. That's 2000 UAH worth. Which is good for 1 hour fun. If you need UAH for taxi driver, do it for small amount like for 500. Ah. One more. When you exchange at the airport, they maliciously give you nothing but 100 notes. Jee. I got a BOOK of 100 notes. Never use airport exchange service.

    2. Taxi is pretty cheap. I paid 450 to Beserabsky market from the airport.

    3. First night. As somebody mentioned. Most girls I've established some connections prior to arrival. Busy (maybe that's their sucking time for boyfriend or husband) so I used Ukraine. Backpage (hurray! Finally got an access to this) . Most girls answered like $60 condom+1 finish + taxi fair. Most of them asked for $30 extra for BJ without condom. Hell. Massage places were all booked up so I tried some blonde. Yes, different girl showed up but this girl looked better (like 7+) nice thin long legs with big soft boobs. But rather mechanical. After flight, after drink, well, it was just a sex but I am satisfied with her. She obviously liked me. And her moaning was really sexy. Doggy, classics, chair, floor. Finish. I extended one more hour but she did just the same. I thought some special would be awarded no. Paid total 3200 uah + 200 uah for cab for 2 finishes. I don't regret because where I come from in the states, compared to those arrogant, ugly and fat bitches, this girl is an angel and model grade.

    4. I walked around the city this morning and afternoon. Asked this girl and that girl for this or that. They are really kind and one of them was. Seems to be attending to model photoshoot. My western way of behaviors still got me and couldn't ask for the number (damn it!) but I got the hang of it and will try. There was a really sexy shop assistant and will try her tomorrow. I think when girls are working, they know how hard it is to earn and make living. Easier to get them. I am excited for this evening's adventure. Charged up with food and slept enough and first time to meet someone I found from ukrainedate dot cum.

    Anyone here in Kiev. Please send me message. I want to try rio tomorrow night or later.

    To be continued.

  12. #17282

    Haters

    Wow.

    This guy really hates Kiev. I don't know what he is upto but he has 44 posts and almost 40 plus are written only against Kiev with zero information for us. I hope he gets banned by admin.

    If you don't have specifics please don't post. Every single post dedicated to make Kiev look bad.

    I agree Kiev is over priced definitely so. But Girls are still beautiful. I am sure that is why people keep going back. October I will go second time to Kiev in last one year. I go more often to Medellin, Colombia and Venezuela (both places) are best mongering places in the world I would go as far as that those two places are amongst top 5 mongering destinations in world.

    I still want to go Kiev as well because variety is name of the game.

    Happy Hunting.

    John.

    Quote Originally Posted by DramaFree11  [View Original Post]
    Guys,

    Pay attention to his post, this is the real Kiev. Also, the Night Clubs are empty, occasionally Friday Nights are okay, but for the most part the the Nightlife is real bad. There is no energy in the city now, just real boring and after Working Hours the streets and restaurants are empty. Sorry this is the real Kiev.

  13. #17281
    Why do you feel the need to review a guy posts? If you have something to say about chicks just say it.

    A3

  14. #17280
    Quote Originally Posted by MagicSheep74  [View Original Post]
    Vitrea,

    The girls are Rio are overpriced and average. Apartments dreadful.

    You are desperately in need of other adventures covering different European cities if you want quality.

    If you want locations and ways on how life can be much better, let me know and I will tell you exactly where to go.

    Kiev is complete crap and has been this way for many years.

    Salut.
    Guys,

    Pay attention to his post, this is the real Kiev. Also, the Night Clubs are empty, occasionally Friday Nights are okay, but for the most part the the Nightlife is real bad. There is no energy in the city now, just real boring and after Working Hours the streets and restaurants are empty. Sorry this is the real Kiev.

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