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  1. #17891
    Quote Originally Posted by AntonySun1996  [View Original Post]
    It has been blocked indeed, however most of the Ukrainian girls I know are still using it, so I would assume VK is still popular among Ukrainian girls. I guess they can use it with help of VPN, just like how people use facebook or twitter in China.
    Same considerations must apply as while dealing with mamba. Target audience on both sides is the same.

    There might be some differences due to policies and moderators on each platform. Not sure how radical those differences are.

  2. #17890
    Quote Originally Posted by GDreams  [View Original Post]
    I have been told VK is blocked in Ukraine so most no longer use it.
    It has been blocked indeed, however most of the Ukrainian girls I know are still using it, so I would assume VK is still popular among Ukrainian girls. I guess they can use it with help of VPN, just like how people use facebook or twitter in China.

  3. #17889
    Quote Originally Posted by AntonySun1996  [View Original Post]
    Gents,

    I now want to try to monger through VK and need some advice. I used to flirt with girls on VK a long time ago but have never formally looked for sex with it. Now I want to use it to find either semi pros or long term sugarbanbies. A few questions:

    1. How do you identify the potential girls who may need money in return for sex? Are there any hints that they might need a client / sugar daddy?

    2. Once you have identified your target, how do you talk to them? Would you just put it in a straightforward way like 'hey would you agree to have sex with me if I offer you xxx dollars', or you should put it another way?

    3. What are the dos and don'ts that I need to pay attention?

    Any advice would be appreciated.

    Cheers,

    Antony.
    I have been told VK is blocked in Ukraine so most no longer use it.

  4. #17888

    VK advice?

    Gents,

    I now want to try to monger through VK and need some advice. I used to flirt with girls on VK a long time ago but have never formally looked for sex with it. Now I want to use it to find either semi pros or long term sugarbanbies. A few questions:

    1. How do you identify the potential girls who may need money in return for sex? Are there any hints that they might need a client / sugar daddy?

    2. Once you have identified your target, how do you talk to them? Would you just put it in a straightforward way like 'hey would you agree to have sex with me if I offer you xxx dollars', or you should put it another way?

    3. What are the dos and don'ts that I need to pay attention?

    Any advice would be appreciated.

    Cheers,

    Antony.

  5. #17887
    Any suggestion for a young guy to get laid? (22) with minimal bullshit. (speaking Russian).

    I am looking for semi-pros (student girls that do it part time).

    After looking at ukrgo I understood.

    1. most of this are salons and if the photos are real they are like 8 years old.

    2. you can know it by the photo, if her face is blurred in professional way some one did it for her.

    If they background looks like a salon, then it is.

    3. if the same phone number appears for many girls its a salon.

    4. some ads state "not a salon".

    Is there any chance to fish some fresh face there?

    If so how?

  6. #17886
    Quote Originally Posted by Kozerog  [View Original Post]
    Haggling about money with a potential mistress is a very bad start to things, makes the man look stupid and / or cheap, which is why I'm trying to think everything out in advance. Probably going to go with 2000 hrv per meeting, 2 meetings per week, or over 16000 per month. That is a respectable enough offer for an LTR, but not so high as to intimidate woman or make me look like a foolish foreigner, since even well-off locals can offer that amount. 2000 is below the point at which I would start to feel uncomfortable, so leaves room for occasional bonuses or other expenses. Better to under-promise and over-deliver than the opposite.
    Changed my mind. Important thing is to feel right about what I'm doing. I actually like giving cash money to girls, given how cheap I am otherwise. So 2700 hrv ($100) per 3+ hour meeting but no restaurants, no champagne, just a bottle of Bon Aqua water worth 6 hrv, and unrenovated apartment with cheap green carpeting and old furniture like at babushka's place. She can't call me cheap because of the cash I give, but everything else is cheap, the way I like it. Also, I don't have to have a differing price for top tier 19 year old versus 35 year old MILF. All semi-pros get 2700, reliable pros get 4200 ($150+taxi), and I choose girls based on who pleases me rather than based on price, thus saving me from myself, because otherwise the cheapskate in me would always take the cheapest girl.

    For anyone reading this, you need to do same mental exercise as me, so you don't get caught flat-footed. For every possible situation, have a price or price range ready that you are comfortable with, comfortable paying that price if the girl accepts and comfortable walking away if the girl asks more. Up until now, I've been using pros in Ukraine, and they make the initial offer and then I accept or refuse or perhaps counter offer. Professionals are used to negotiating and not offended by it. But with semi pros and mistresses, the man has to be the one who runs the negotiation, and it's up to him not to over negotiate, because the girl might cave in and then resent the man afterwards, which ruins things. Nothing says men less well-off than me can't go under 2700 for 3+ hours, that's just what I feel comfortable with. Less well-off men might offer 1000, which is still a good deal for an LTR with a MILF (1000/ meeting = over 8000/ month, for easy work).

  7. #17885
    Strip clubs are dangerous. There have been several shootings at strip clubs in Kiev. Dolls, was one of them. This is the other: http://sevendaynews.com/2018/01/24/i...ting-occurred/ So, to add to the fact the majority of strippers are ugly, and demanding of tips. There is now rampant violence in them.

  8. #17884
    Quote Originally Posted by PhotoSlider  [View Original Post]
    I think and analyze while learning by process of trial and error. Price is not that high and practice is the best criteria for logical assumptions.
    Haggling about money with a potential mistress is a very bad start to things, makes the man look stupid and / or cheap, which is why I'm trying to think everything out in advance. Probably going to go with 2000 hrv per meeting, 2 meetings per week, or over 16000 per month. That is a respectable enough offer for an LTR, but not so high as to intimidate woman or make me look like a foolish foreigner, since even well-off locals can offer that amount. 2000 is below the point at which I would start to feel uncomfortable, so leaves room for occasional bonuses or other expenses. Better to under-promise and over-deliver than the opposite.

  9. #17883
    Quote Originally Posted by Deer1234  [View Original Post]
    How can I get to this Chernigov by public transport from Kiev city center?

    I can get to Kyiv bus station.
    Try maps. google.com.

    Directions from Kyiv to "Myru Ave, 35, Chernihiv, Chernihivs'ka oblast, Ukraine, 14000".

    There are trains, taking about 4 hours.

    Taxi is 2 hours. Bus is 4-6 USD and under 3 hours:

    https://infobus.eu/en/bus/route/from-kiev-to-chernihiv

    Respected Forum veterans advise to have the girl come to you in Kiev for multiple reasons.

    You may have an adventure of your life In Chernihiv with young Juliette spending few wonderful days for a total of 2000-3000 UAH. Miracles still happen, and there is a chance you'll be the happiest man alive.

    Or she may not show up as previously agreed. Risk vs. Reward.

    I would cancel apartment reservation and have her travel to you. Unless you are in Ukraine for a month or longer and enjoy exploring less developed corners.

  10. #17882

    Chernigov again.

    Hi,

    Thank you very much for your information about how to get to Chernigov.

    I booked an apartment in Chernigov following a suggestion from a girl.

    The address is:

    Prospekt Mira 35.

    Chernigov,14000.

    You wrote there are two towns of confusing names. How can I get to this Chernigov by public transport from Kiev city center?

    I can get to Kyiv bus station.

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterxxx  [View Original Post]
    You wrote Chernigov. It's not so far away from Kiev. About 2 hours in the bus. Not 4 hours. I did the tour 2 years ago. The bus starts near to the trainstation in the center. But there is another stop at the Lisova Metro. In the east of Kiew and at the other side of the river. That makes the trip much shorter and more comfortable.

    If somebody told you about 4 hours in the bus, it must be a different city. Or you asked for the wrong bus. Anyway you must be sure that it's Chernigov und not Chernivtsi. Even booking.com made this mistake. When I tried to book my accomodation, I found some Chernivtsi Hotels in Chernigov. Guess they already fixed this problem )))

    About the apartment: There are several apartment agencies that operate as a "mini-hotel". With concierge. Theatre Boutique Apart Hotel for example. But also Partner Guest House has a lot of apartments in Shota Rustavelli 44 with janitor.

  11. #17881

    Pleasure!

    Good word!

    Quote Originally Posted by PhotoSlider  [View Original Post]
    Not sure if it's brave or assumed anyway. Guess they heard it all. In those immigration forms they give on the airplane I state: "Pleasure".

  12. #17880
    Quote Originally Posted by Kozerog  [View Original Post]
    The music and dance social activities are much too important to risk causing scandal, so I've decided to leave those girls alone. I sometimes talk to women over age 50 in the group, but I definitely don't any sort of affair with them plus they are the biggest gossipers of all.
    If their gossiping concerns you, then they will gossip feeding off of you. But you already simplified the whole thing by making a good decision to isolate and compartmentalize.

    As for your suggestions about flirting, one thing I did learn from that idiotic PUA forum is the term "congruency", meaning don't pretend to be something you are not, and that's what would happen if I tried to flirt. No one loves unsmiling old men like me, but we are respected. And unsmiling old men with money are recognized as valuable allies.
    Sorry for not explaining my thoughts clear enough. I certainly meant her flirting with you, not vice versa. If she doesn't flirt then why bother? There's enough fish in the pond. Whose next please?

    Also, I don't really want a young women loving me or hanging around me too much. My independent escort was no trouble at all. Always arrived exactly on time, always same preparatory routine including turning smartphone off, quiet and easy to get along with as a cat, always gets up to leave after exactly 3 hours. She's from a village and evidently was strictly brought up. However, I would like some variety, either from agencies or a non-pro mistress.
    With the latter you will learn if they are worth keeping emotions wise. Keeping it simple with the former is undeniable advantage.

    So now I need to think of what to pay a non-pro. My general rules for any long-term recurring business dealings: don't pay more than I comfortable with or I'll feel resentment; don't try to drive price down too far or other person will feel resentment and I'll also be angry at them for caving in too much and making me feel like a cheapskate; be systematic and logical about prices. If I pay the pro 4000 hrv for 3 hours, then either 2000 or 3000 for the non-pro sponsorette makes sense. 2000 implies over 16000/ month assuming 2 meetings / week, which is generous given that semi-skilled wages (receptionist, etc) are like 6000 hrv. Indeed, even 1000 per 3 hour meeting or 8000/ month would be plenty. But it's hard for me to justify driving a hard bargain given my income. 3000 guarantees that every normal girl will be happy with my offer, whereas top-tier girls might balk at 1000 or even 2000. Girls with 6 inch heels and mouth swelled up like a monkey's anus might scorn even 3000, but I want to be scorned by those women. If fact, driving off those types might be a reason for going with 2000 versus 3000. Have to think more about this.
    I think and analyze while learning by process of trial and error. Price is not that high and practice is the best criteria for logical assumptions.

  13. #17879
    Quote Originally Posted by TheDriller  [View Original Post]
    Does anyone has any experience with ukrgo? Specially with the ads that states "not a brothel".
    You never know what you are getting there. Photos often fake or out-of-date or heavily photoshopped or taken from an angle to hide flaws and excess weight. Few of the girls / women speak english. But some real gems in this bargain bin. Specify the link and let us look it over.

  14. #17878
    Quote Originally Posted by PhotoSlider  [View Original Post]
    First you need to decide for yourself how much longer do you expect to participate in this social activity? Any returns during your future visits to Ukraine? What happens if, in the unlikely event, some of your dear friends turn a cold shoulder, - would it bother you? If yes, than continue outside of this circle.
    The music and dance social activities are much too important to risk causing scandal, so I've decided to leave those girls alone. I sometimes talk to women over age 50 in the group, but I definitely don't any sort of affair with them plus they are the biggest gossipers of all.

    As for your suggestions about flirting, one thing I did learn from that idiotic PUA forum is the term "congruency", meaning don't pretend to be something you are not, and that's what would happen if I tried to flirt. No one loves unsmiling old men like me, but we are respected. And unsmiling old men with money are recognized as valuable allies.

    Also, I don't really want a young women loving me or hanging around me too much. My independent escort was no trouble at all. Always arrived exactly on time, always same preparatory routine including turning smartphone off, quiet and easy to get along with as a cat, always gets up to leave after exactly 3 hours. She's from a village and evidently was strictly brought up. However, I would like some variety, either from agencies or a non-pro mistress.

    So now I need to think of what to pay a non-pro. My general rules for any long-term recurring business dealings: don't pay more than I comfortable with or I'll feel resentment; don't try to drive price down too far or other person will feel resentment and I'll also be angry at them for caving in too much and making me feel like a cheapskate; be systematic and logical about prices. If I pay the pro 4000 hrv for 3 hours, then either 2000 or 3000 for the non-pro sponsorette makes sense. 2000 implies over 16000/ month assuming 2 meetings / week, which is generous given that semi-skilled wages (receptionist, etc) are like 6000 hrv. Indeed, even 1000 per 3 hour meeting or 8000/ month would be plenty. But it's hard for me to justify driving a hard bargain given my income. 3000 guarantees that every normal girl will be happy with my offer, whereas top-tier girls might balk at 1000 or even 2000. Girls with 6 inch heels and mouth swelled up like a monkey's anus might scorn even 3000, but I want to be scorned by those women. If fact, driving off those types might be a reason for going with 2000 versus 3000. Have to think more about this.

  15. #17877
    Quote Originally Posted by Jymondor  [View Original Post]
    Thank you for touching this matter. It is worth to discuss. I prefer Cialis for a few reasons. I saw both original Cialis and Tadalafil generics in Ukrainian drag stores. Also, I heard that some medications in Ukraine could be low quality or even fake. I am not sure whether it is true or not since I always care my medications purchased in Canada. However, Cialis is over-the-counter in Ukraine. Sometimes I have no time for a doctor appointment just to get prescription. Buying Cialis in Ukraine easy.

    My questions:

    - Can I be confident in the quality of branded Cialis or Tadalafil generics purchased in Kiev?

    - What Apteka chains should I avoid when buying Cialis or Tadalafil generics?
    I don't know what Cialis / taladafil costs, but genuine Viagra / generic sildenafil costs are like $15 / $1 in Ukraine. $1 is also what a liter of milk costs retail. Does it make sense for a grocery store to sell watered down milk rather than the real thing so as to save 50 cents wholesale cost of that liter of milk? No, because extra profit is trivial and they lose repeat customers since watered down milk is so easy to detect. Fake sildenafil is also easy to detect for those of us who've used it extensively. Also, those generics are themselves branded (potenciale, etc) and the brand owner has an incentive to put real sildenafil and not sugar pills in the box. I would indeed be suspicious that genuine Cialis or Viagra sold in Ukraine might actually be generic in counterfeit packaging, though this is just speculating.

    Counterfeiting occurs when the genuine article has a huge profit margin versus generic which looks / feels / works identical. Examples, Rolex watches, Hermes handbags, all fiat currencies. Nobody counterfeits $5 watches and handbags from the discount store or ordinary writing paper because it's not worthwhile, assuming seller has an established storefront and so depends on repeat customers. Buying a huge quantity of $5 watches, etc as a one-time transaction (going out of business auction, etc) is another story.

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