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  1. #17675
    Quote Originally Posted by Frankfurt  [View Original Post]
    Gents, is the Khreshchatyk metro station referenced here and the McDonalads near it? Or this station Ploscha Lva Tolstoho? Please enlighten!
    McDonald's near the Kreshchatyk metro station. Street address is Kreshchatyk 19.

  2. #17674

    Kreschatyk.

    Quote Originally Posted by Frankfurt  [View Original Post]
    Gents, is the Khreshchatyk metro station referenced here and the McDonalads near it? Or this station Ploscha Lva Tolstoho? Please enlighten!
    Yes, Kreschatyk street is like 5th Avenue in New York City.

    With their average salary, they (girls) can't dream of shopping in this street.

    I prefer having my apartment around this area. Between Independence street and Arena City.

    It is close to everything even the National Opera house, bars, subway, shopping mall, grocery store and etc.

    Girls easily come to your place.

    What's surprising is. Below this Kreschatyk street, there is enormous underground space. Small shopping stores. It is connected all the way to McDonald.

    I successfully picked up a few girls while walking around this underground mall. Easy. I lost my direction or I need to buy souvenir for my mom, stuff like that.

    On the ground level of Kreschatyk, I didn't have luck tho.

  3. #17673
    Quote Originally Posted by Rog123  [View Original Post]
    If your budget allows $300 for session you should use Gia or go to Rio as at least you have quality control and can gauge chemistry beforehand at least at Rio. If I was to ever even consider spending $300 on a mamba girl she better look like a model, offer all the kinks on her menu, and I would have to meet her for a drink before any money changed hands to make sure she is the girl in the pics as well if to test if she is friendly or cold.
    But I would never go for $300 on mamba with due diligence you can find nice girls on mamba in $100 range for a no-rush session
    Totally agree!

    Rio allows for a validation test. Rio also seldom leads to a prolonged stay, unless it's very late, girl likes you, and staying at your apartment / hotel is more fun, compared to dorm or her seeing roommate after a cab ride through the cold winter night.

    BTW, Rio is strictly prepay. Girl will take your USD300 or EUR300, and right away give it to management upon leaving the premises. I did meet one guy though, who established a reputation. We were passing by on the way to karaoke, and he was recognized by bouncers and Rio manager, who stepped out:

    - Ohhh! Great to see you! Please come in!

    - I don't have any money on me at the moment.

    - That's OK, you have credit line here. Fuck them tonight, and pay sometime later!

    GIA hourly rate could be 20-40% cheaper than Rio, especially if handled properly. GIA sometime is substantially longer, such is the asymptotic progressive pay structure, - for some of the girls difference between 10 hours and 24 hours is only 3000 UAH = $105. Upfront payment for the first hour is high, and that's when I test them: Does she kiss? Is she forthcoming, willing and accommodating? Does she visibly enjoy interaction herself? Is she elegant and intelligent, or imposing and not classy enough to take outside on a stroll and such? Within the first 5-10-15 minutes I am able to make a decision.

    $300 for a mamba girl? No way! $300 can be given for 8-10 hours for a company of a lady known from prior encounters, in particular those that repeatedly proved they are consistent and reliable in service delivery. And definitely no prepayments for long-term. Even $100 is too much of a prepay to anybody. Girls definitely try harder when pay is not in their pocket yet. Surprisingly, even when they know that in few hours I'm taking a cab to the airport, somehow they passionately do their best to please. Not sure what makes them behave that way. Expecting a tip, or being sentimentally romantic because I treated her well, or ensuring upon my return I'll see her, and not somebody else?

    If you pay upfront, she considers you a fool, a hunting prey, an ATM machine to extract the money from. And after she's done withdrawing from ATM, she's gone, - both mentally and physically, - there are no feelings wasted. It's that calculated and pure. For her you don't exist anymore. Just like for a pickpocket thief the victim of his crime is completely irrelevant, - simply an empty space.

    I disagree with painting Kiev scenery in grim colors, however that doesn't mean we have to throw away our money literally for nothing. There are definitely proven better ways to spend over there.

    No prepay.

  4. #17672
    Gents, is the Khreshchatyk metro station referenced here and the McDonalads near it? Or this station Ploscha Lva Tolstoho? Please enlighten!

    Quote Originally Posted by OlaOlsen  [View Original Post]
    Hello,

    Use your time. They normally walk two girls together. Look the girl direct in the eyes. You soon see on responce if they are working or not.

    Look how they respond when other men start talking to them.

    They are walking a lot between the metro (Mcdonalds) and Arena.

    If to girls are walking up and down this street and smile back or so you can start talk to them.

    Many serious women do not even want to walk in this area with you!

    I have been 24 times to Kiev and I recommend you to use 100-200 usd and get a semi pro or a MILF who will fuck you like a hero!.

  5. #17671
    If your budget allows $300 for session you should use Gia or go to Rio as at least you have quality control and can gauge chemistry beforehand at least at Rio. If I was to ever even consider spending $300 on a mamba girl she better look like a model, offer all the kinks on her menu, and I would have to meet her for a drink before any money changed hands to make sure she is the girl in the pics as well if to test if she is friendly or cold.
    But I would never go for $300 on mamba with due diligence you can find nice girls on mamba in $100 range for a no-rush session

  6. #17670
    Quote Originally Posted by Deer1234  [View Original Post]
    Has anybody of you given $100 or so, to a girl in mamba whom you have never met. What happened?
    Imagine you are in Paris, or Berlin, or New York, or Sao Paolo. A great looking girl approaches you, and asks for $100 because you are so great. Noticing you have doubts, she says: "You just wait here, I'll go tell my friends around the corner, and then I'll be right back to spend time with you, just give me $100, and with me soon you are going to have the best time of your life!

    Would you give her this money?

    How is it any different with these scammers on mamba?

    Them girls calling you greedy is a psychological trick working with poor idiots, salivating at the mere though of having Ukrainian beauty in their hands. And if this trick works with 10-20% of wannabe mongers, then going the path of least resistance is worthwhile for them ladies-scammers.

    The only question is this: when the girl arrives at your residence, and you see that perhaps she holds some promise, - should you pay upon her arrival, or after the performance is over?

    For short-term I gamble and pay right away. For long-term I may prepay 1 hour and do the "test drive" first: kick the tires, see how steering and overall handling is, so to speak, hehehe.

  7. #17669
    If they are asking for $300 block them immediately or laugh at them and mock them. Way too much for a mamba girl in Kiev. Never send money in advance.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deer1234  [View Original Post]
    I got acquainted with some nice-looking girls, aged 18-23, through mamba. Some are outright professional and some are naive. At the beginning, they were very friendly and sensible. I agreed with each of them upon meeting in Kiev in a month or two, in exchange for $300 or so.

    However, suddenly, many of them demanded that money (usually $100) be transferred to their credit card immediately, more than one month prior to the planned meeting. The rest incessantly demanded that VIP status (which costs just $5) or Profile Boost ($1) be give to them. I scattered VIP status and Profile Boost but I hesitated to send $100 more than 1 month before the meeting without any guarantee. Then almost all of the girls (pro and non-pro) became furious. They call me "greedy" or any imaginable four letter words.

    Initially, I thought this was an attempted fraud. However, it seems to me that this is an emotional culture of Ukrainian girls, because some girls are obviously successful professional (persisting over one year in mamba), and because refusal of VIP status ($5) and refusal of $100 provokes a very identical emotional response. Many of them blocked my access, which does not make a financial sense in industrialized world, abandoning $300 for the sake of $5. This seems to relate to their sense of honor? Then we have to respect it.

    Has anybody of you given $100 or so, to a girl in mamba whom you have never met. What happened?

  8. #17668

    Pre-payment.

    I got acquainted with some nice-looking girls, aged 18-23, through mamba. Some are outright professional and some are naive. At the beginning, they were very friendly and sensible. I agreed with each of them upon meeting in Kiev in a month or two, in exchange for $300 or so.

    However, suddenly, many of them demanded that money (usually $100) be transferred to their credit card immediately, more than one month prior to the planned meeting. The rest incessantly demanded that VIP status (which costs just $5) or Profile Boost ($1) be give to them. I scattered VIP status and Profile Boost but I hesitated to send $100 more than 1 month before the meeting without any guarantee. Then almost all of the girls (pro and non-pro) became furious. They call me "greedy" or any imaginable four letter words.

    Initially, I thought this was an attempted fraud. However, it seems to me that this is an emotional culture of Ukrainian girls, because some girls are obviously successful professional (persisting over one year in mamba), and because refusal of VIP status ($5) and refusal of $100 provokes a very identical emotional response. Many of them blocked my access, which does not make a financial sense in industrialized world, abandoning $300 for the sake of $5. This seems to relate to their sense of honor? Then we have to respect it.

    Has anybody of you given $100 or so, to a girl in mamba whom you have never met. What happened?

  9. #17667
    Seeking Arrangements is awesome, expensive. You might also to look at Russian girls, they are little easier to deal with, in my opinion.

    Quote Originally Posted by AntonySun1996  [View Original Post]
    I remember some members in this forum have done the similar thing in the states or Canada or wherever. Does anyone have any ideas on how to find Ukrainian girls in the UK to be my sugar baby? How would you discover the potential ones and how would you talk about the deal? I would prefer uni students. I suppose there must be some Ukrainian students that need the money to pay their tuition fees, rentals, etc. By the way I'd also like to learn if there would be legal concerns about this in UK. Any advice would be appreciated.

  10. #17666
    Great advice, but I would stay away from K. Street. Shopping Centers, University and Metro Stations, other then K. Street.

    You are correct about the funds, other guys claim $50-75, chances are very unlikely. Once you get to $100 chances greatly improve, especially if you are there for a short period of time.

    Quote Originally Posted by OlaOlsen  [View Original Post]
    Hello,

    Use your time. They normally walk two girls together. Look the girl direct in the eyes. You soon see on responce if they are working or not.

    Look how they respond when other men start talking to them.

    They are walking a lot between the metro (Mcdonalds) and Arena.

    If to girls are walking up and down this street and smile back or so you can start talk to them.

    Many serious women do not even want to walk in this area with you!

    I have been 24 times to Kiev and I recommend you to use 100-200 usd and get a semi pro or a MILF who will fuck you like a hero!.

  11. #17665

    Locate working girls.

    Hello,

    Use your time. They normally walk two girls together. Look the girl direct in the eyes. You soon see on responce if they are working or not.

    Look how they respond when other men start talking to them.

    They are walking a lot between the metro (Mcdonalds) and Arena.

    If to girls are walking up and down this street and smile back or so you can start talk to them.

    Many serious women do not even want to walk in this area with you!

    I have been 24 times to Kiev and I recommend you to use 100-200 usd and get a semi pro or a MILF who will fuck you like a hero!

    There is many well educated, nice looking, Ukraine Sex Machines who are not destroyed being a full time pro!

    Look for those who are just doing it if they like you, and just maybe once a week or so.

    I was once fucking one who was saving money for moving to the states.

    It was superb! Like a real GFE.

    Stay a away from the street pros. The good ones stay away from the street because they have a regular life with job and family!

    Just my oppinion.

    Quote Originally Posted by Riina  [View Original Post]
    The square in front of McDonalds is a gold mine. Girls wait there for their friends to get off the metro where you can approach and ask simple questions like if she's from Kiev. Generally speaking, prostitutes do not troll K street. But that doesn't stop normal girls from having it in the back of their mind that may want to fuck somebody if it feels right. Target the young girls that are likely to be naive of the sex scene. Their's plenty of girls always rolling into Kiev with no money and raging hormones.

    I recently met a 22 year old student that just arrived from Russia two weeks ago in my home city. I was her second customer and her pussy was just soaking wet. That inclination to suck some older guys dick for money was probably cooking in her for years. Girls like this are all over Kiev. You just have to learn how to spot them and play your game.

  12. #17664

    Tips please: how to get Ukrainian sugarbabies in UK?

    I remember some members in this forum have done the similar thing in the states or Canada or wherever. Does anyone have any ideas on how to find Ukrainian girls in the UK to be my sugar baby? How would you discover the potential ones and how would you talk about the deal? I would prefer uni students. I suppose there must be some Ukrainian students that need the money to pay their tuition fees, rentals, etc. By the way I'd also like to learn if there would be legal concerns about this in UK. Any advice would be appreciated.

  13. #17663
    Quote Originally Posted by Kobebryant2000  [View Original Post]
    I know this may seem hard to believe but over the recent holidays there wasn't very many girls working at the apartments. Many girls traveled home to be with their friends and family or simply just took time off from working. I did visit one apartment in particular that only had three ladies working. The female manager or administrator was surprisingly very attractive & after not selecting any of the available ladies, I jokingly asked if she was available. She hesitated at first but then responded if I waited an hour & she also quoted an additional 1000 uah that she could be available. I gave her my number and address and one hour later she showed up at my apartment in a taxi. We both showered, had a drink, and then straight to the bedroom, the sex was nothing short of spectacular, multiple positions, DFK, BBBJ. Before you know it, the hour was up & she asked me if I wanted to extend. It was late and I had to get up early the next morning so I declined, unfortunately I tried to meet up with her again later that week but she wasn't available or wasn't working. I told that story to another member and someone who frequents that particular apartment and he almost couldn't believe it as he said he has asked multiple times and was always turned down. Maybe I was lucky or she really needed some extra cash to buy gifts before the New Year, regardless it was a great experience!
    It seems that to deal with the hot managers you need to be insistent even if she declined you for the first few times. As long as she doesn't dislike you too much, there's a high chance that you would take her in your bed.

  14. #17662
    Quote Originally Posted by TeFab456  [View Original Post]
    There is not exactly too much opportunity for scam. Usually the girl sends a passport copy, the man books a flight ticket. The girl can take the flight, or not. If not, the money for the flight is gone. But more so, the opportunity for the girl to meet a (often very rich) man is gone. So why would she? She can also take the flight, and try to sneak out on arrival to meet somebody else or just do what she wants to do in Dubai. Again, she also misses an opportunity.

    There is one possible alert topic: sometimes girls claim they live in cities like Cherkasy or Poltava, which means they have to travel to Kiev for the flight. There used to be a scheme like this: on the day of departure they would send a text about having missed their bus, so they needed a taxi to get to the airport in time - "Can you send 200 $ now otherwise I will not reach the airport?" So if you ever book a ticket make sure it is clear how she gets to the airport.

    But in general this is a pretty safe bet. I have had several girls come to me over the years, never any problem. I live in Western Europe, though, but don't think Dubai will be any different.
    Local transport is one scam, they may ask you for the money to apply for passport or Visa. I don't think they will come over if you give the money before arrival.

  15. #17661

    Fraudy Arabia

    Quote Originally Posted by KingmaxXx  [View Original Post]
    We know there are many scams in Kiev, I wonder how those rich guy can prevent fraud on international travel.
    There is not exactly too much opportunity for scam. Usually the girl sends a passport copy, the man books a flight ticket. The girl can take the flight, or not. If not, the money for the flight is gone. But more so, the opportunity for the girl to meet a (often very rich) man is gone. So why would she? She can also take the flight, and try to sneak out on arrival to meet somebody else or just do what she wants to do in Dubai. Again, she also misses an opportunity.

    There is one possible alert topic: sometimes girls claim they live in cities like Cherkasy or Poltava, which means they have to travel to Kiev for the flight. There used to be a scheme like this: on the day of departure they would send a text about having missed their bus, so they needed a taxi to get to the airport in time - "Can you send 200 $ now otherwise I will not reach the airport?" So if you ever book a ticket make sure it is clear how she gets to the airport.

    But in general this is a pretty safe bet. I have had several girls come to me over the years, never any problem. I live in Western Europe, though, but don't think Dubai will be any different.

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