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  1. #5123

    Japanese Ria

    So this is my first trip out to London, and after reaching out for a little advice on here (which nobody helped out). I went out on my own. I did some fishing and came across a provider named Ria who is supposedly a Japanese student. Website here http://www.riaasianescortlondon.co.uk.

    After a call up to my hotel room to confirm prior, an hour later she showed up at my hotel door. I'm staying at the May Fair and had left an extra card for her at the desk for elevator access. The woman who showed up was hardly the girl on the website. Ria states she is 19 on her site, but the lady who showed up was 19 probably about 12-15 years ago and not petite at all. She did however have implants. After a long flight I was to tired to get mad at the bait and switch. I just asked for a massage, oral, and hand relief. Money isn't a big issue with me so I just went with the flow, but passed up on the sex. I was't even turned on by the lady who shown up. I rather close my eyes and imagine Asian porn. So this is just a heads up and my contribution. Buyer beware.

    Tomorrow I have a booking with Georgia of agencyallure and the next day, Yvonne of carmensecrets. Both high end, but supposedly reputable. It's going to cost me in 700-900 GBP rangeper session for each date. I'll report back with my findings.

  2. #5122

    Optimist, I agree with you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Optimist  [View Original Post]
    Jojosun. I still find your use of words like flooded and swamped to be inappropriate and emotional, but as we are never going to agree, I won't keep repeating my points. I don't dispute your figures, but I don't share your opinion that it is a flood.

    As I rarely monger in London I think it would be inappropriate for me to continue to take up space here as we could go on for ever.

    You are definitely right about Romanians having English language skills, and about the climate for pay sex in Germany becoming less tolerant, partly due to the numbers of Romanians working there in pay sex industry
    Hi Optimist,

    Guess what? I agree with you on the use of the words "Flooded, Swamped" are emotional, but its like in PR & Journalism" "When a dog bites a man, that is not news, because it happens so often. But if a man bites a dog, that is news." It started our discussion on here and I learned few things doing Instant research as we continued and learned few things I never knew before, IE the numbers of Romanians. So in a way it wasn't a waste of space and after all we are not here to agree on everything are we?

    Please also note, that I never said London incalls or adultwork is better for selection purposes when compared to FKK Clubs in Germany or that London is a great Mongering destination. I've always said London is a great city with great mongering opportunities for Variety if you do the right research and have plenty of time. There's something there for every budget, taste and price but not in your face so to speak like say in Thailand.

  3. #5121
    Quote Originally Posted by Optimist  [View Original Post]
    Jojosun. I still find your use of words like flooded and swamped to be inappropriate and emotional, but as we are never going to agree, I won't keep repeating my points. I don't dispute your figures, but I don't share your opinion that it is a flood.

    As I rarely monger in London I think it would be inappropriate for me to continue to take up space here as we could go on for ever.

    You are definitely right about Romanians having English language skills, and about the climate for pay sex in Germany becoming less tolerant, partly due to the numbers of Romanians working there in pay sex industry
    Forget the semantic debate. And believe me, I am not in the least "emotional" (Fact is that there has been an increase of 400% in the number of Romanian nationals registering with the UK authorities to obtain a NI number. One can only speculate about the numbers of them who are in the business, but it is not absurd to think that the proportion of increase is similar in different social groups (builders, plumbers, nannies. And prostitutes.).

    I think you came to the right conclusion that it is better for someone with little local experience not to arguie with someone (JJS) _who has much more.

    Although I occasionally monger in Germany, I don't argue with Myrrh on those threads, since he obviously has far more experience than me there, although I do not always agree with his experiences.

    Cheers.

  4. #5120
    Quote Originally Posted by Myrrh  [View Original Post]
    Let me leave you with a post from your mate Jojosun describing a raid by the police on a London sauna, just 4 years ago, and the owner was put in prison for 2 years for running a brothel.
    So, by the same token, would you say that prostitutes are harassed in Germany because police recently raided Artemis not so long ago in Berlin.

  5. #5119

    Walking a tightrope

    Quote Originally Posted by Jojosun  [View Original Post]
    Really. Where did you get your info from?
    Prostitutes can pay maids wages for cleaning, laundry etc of the premises even maids in Soho and other Incall places open the doors to visitors.

    Only in Soho Tips of 2 are requested for the maids, nowhere else.

    http://www.opendoors.nhs.uk/content/...g-and-brothels

    " Maids or housekeepers in brothels. , if your duties are of a menial nature and you have no control over prices or services, general you will not be committing an offence.

    When working with a lone sex worker, it may assist your defense if you have a clear written agreement on what your duties are (EG cleaning and raising the alarm of an assault by a customer). (Release 'Sex Workers and the Law' 2011)".
    You tend to selectively quote evidence from on-line low quality taboid newspapers like the Daily Star ("Brothels thrive beside Olympic stadium") but only select the parts of the text that support your arguments.

    You leave out parts like "the police may allege that the maid is selling sex and that the premises therefore counts as a brothel, especially if she / he is young" and from the Daily Star "Police closed 80 brothels in the 18 months before the Olympics in *Newham, east London".

    Even the parts that you do quote "it may assist your defense if you have a clear written agreement on what your duties are" and "general (ly) you will not be committing an offence" show the tight rope that British based prostitutes walk to try and evade prosecution.

    The Daily Star article that you quote in defense of your argument was actually complaining about the level of prostitution with their self-righteous statements like "uncovered four seedy haunts selling sex " and "the brothels are a million miles from the family-friendly image of Stratford".

    Yes, brothels do exist but unfortunately could be easily be closed down like Steam and Sun 3 years ago if the police decide to prosecute.

    The truth is that prostitutes are only truly 'safe' if they work on their own, inside premises that they personally own and do not venture out on to the streets.

    Anyway, I agree with Optimist that our energies should be best devoted to answering queries from members like MonkeyPaw about where he can find good escort agencies and bars where he could potentially get sex?

  6. #5118
    Jojosun. I still find your use of words like flooded and swamped to be inappropriate and emotional, but as we are never going to agree, I won't keep repeating my points. I don't dispute your figures, but I don't share your opinion that it is a flood.

    As I rarely monger in London I think it would be inappropriate for me to continue to take up space here as we could go on for ever.

    You are definitely right about Romanians having English language skills, and about the climate for pay sex in Germany becoming less tolerant, partly due to the numbers of Romanians working there in pay sex industry

  7. #5117

    London Mayfair July 25-29

    Hi,

    I'm headed to London and staying at the Mayfair Hotel off Straton. What are reputable escort agencies I can use? Also are there any nearby bars with potential talent? This is my first trip to London.

    Thanks.

  8. #5116

    Policing isn't persecution.

    Quote Originally Posted by Optimist  [View Original Post]
    Dreams. If you investigate Operation Nexus and the work of the English Collective of Prostitutes I think you will see that there is a policy and practice which is certainly, in my view, equivalent to persecution of Prostitutes from the EU, as Myrrh suggests.
    It varies from one police force to another, also from from one area to another raids on brothels where more than one girl is working.

    When raids happen it must be due to one of the following.

    1 Intolerant Police Force.

    2 Intolerant Competition.

    3 Intolerant Neighbors.

    4 Acting on inel about Drugs, illegal immigrants, trafficked, coerced WGS working there.

    More than likely any of the above apply to WGS from Eastern Europe especially the ones who did not register themselves as Self Employed paying National Insurance Contributions.

    "A lot has been said, for and against, free movement within the EU. Most people think it means that any EU national can travel to another EU country and live there, work there or look for work. That's true for the first three months. But after that it becomes murkier. One has to 'access one's freedom.

    Of movement rights' which means being in employment, being self-employed, being a student with finance for the duration of the course, or having.

    Funds to sustain oneself and family. Freedom of movement is one of the founding principles of the EU, designed to support the economies of EU countries by providing a mobile work force. "

    Here's more on Operation Nexus which was cited as amounting to persecution.

    "Romanian sex workers challenge UK immigration policy.

    Women targeted by Operation Nexus, which aims to deport foreign offenders, say they are legitimately self-employed Operation Nexus, a combined police and immigration initiative involving sharing intelligence, has been targeting foreign offenders and those suspected of breaking the law since 2012.

    Among those detained and served with deportation papers are an increasing number of women from eastern Europe who have been working on the streets and in premises across London and Manchester. Many do not have convictions.

    Prostitution is legal in the UK, although activities associated with it such as kerb-crawling, pimping and owning a brothel are crimes. Some of the women have been arrested by officers during raids intended to break up trafficking rings. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...gration-policy.

    There were police raids in Soho few years ago where all Walkups are illegal under the present law but tolerated. Very few walk ups were ordered to close for various reasons, But the majority are still in operation at present. The raids were targeting criminal activities.

    "Sex Trafficking and Stolen Goods: Police Raid Soho Hundreds of police officers have taken part in raids in Soho to target [CodeWord908] and the selling of stolen goods. "http://www.lbc.co.uk/sex-trafficking...aid-soho-82446.

    Police would only raid Brothels when they have intel on serious crimes were committed on the premises as in the words of the Police " "The next step will be to work to close a number of the brothels where we have evidence of very serious crimes happening, including [CodeWord123] and [CodeWord908]. We are using the skills and support of specialist officers from throughout the Met to ensure that suspects are found and brought to justice and the women are properly supported. "

    Financial investigators are being used to find out where the money is going, to see if they are part of broader criminal networks. " http://www.lbc.co.uk/sex-trafficking...aid-soho-82446.

  9. #5115

    Other Saunas are still open

    Quote Originally Posted by Myrrh  [View Original Post]
    Dreams,

    I am sorry that it seems to you that I am providing general misinformation.


    Let me leave you with a post from your mate Jojosun describing a raid by the police on a London sauna, just 4 years ago, and the owner was put in prison for 2 years for running a brothel.
    The Sauna which got raided was Sun&Stean in Chalton Street.

    Other Saunas I posted on for the benefit of one of your mates are still open, But he said it was too far for him. Libby's Sauna and Aqua.

    http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/late...lympic-stadium

    Brothels thrive beside Olympic stadium.

    BRAZEN hookers are "ho'ing for gold" in brothels just a javelin throw away from the Olympic Park. ".

  10. #5114

    Incorrect info on maids

    Quote Originally Posted by Myrrh  [View Original Post]
    Dreams,

    I am sorry that it seems to you that I am providing general misinformation.



    Even if she has a maid to help her with answering the phone and opening the door to visitors, she cannot pay her a salary directly but instead the maid has to rely on tips from punters to make a living...
    Really. Where did you get your info from? I thought you said in one of your posts, you've never been to Soho and you only tried adultwork.com once.

    Prostitutes can pay maids wages for cleaning, laundry etc of the premises even maids in Soho and other Incall places open the doors to visitors.

    Only in Soho Tips of £2 are requested for the maids, nowhere else.

    http://www.opendoors.nhs.uk/content/...g-and-brothels

    " Maids or housekeepers in brothels. , if your duties are of a menial nature and you have no control over prices or services, general you will not be committing an offence.

    When working with a lone sex worker, it may assist your defense if you have a clear written agreement on what your duties are (EG cleaning and raising the alarm of an assault by a customer). (Release 'Sex Workers and the Law' 2011)".

  11. #5113

    Here's aonther raid I posted on earlier

    Quote Originally Posted by Myrrh  [View Original Post]
    Let me leave you with a post from your mate Jojosun describing a raid by the police on a London sauna, just 4 years ago, and the owner was put in prison for 2 years for running a brothel.
    In the interest of balance, The link here describes another raid where public attitudes are changing which prompted the raid http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/sex...-left-me-cold/.

    "Public attitudes are changing in Germany. As well they might when a small city like the 180,000 population Saarbrücken can boast 100 brothels and a sprawling branch of Paradise. There have been petitions and demonstrations demanding changes to the law. While Channel 4 was filming its documentary, police raided the entire Paradise chain and Michael Beretin is currently in remand, arrested on suspicion of pimping. ".

    Hence, the New Law regulating sex In Germany coming into force on 1 July 2017 l, 11 months time, the clock is ticking.

    No such laws in The UK so far forcing Mongers to condom up or an end to flat rate all you can fuck parties.

  12. #5112

    Number of Romanians

    Quote Originally Posted by Jojosun  [View Original Post]
    Here are some Specific numbers, not counting the ones who work without NI numbers figure 1: Overview of Ni No Registrations data for EU citizens, year ending Dec 2003 to year ending Dec 2015.

    Overview of NINo data for EU2, EU8 and EU15 in context of EU8 accession and lifting of EU2 controls. https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepop.

    National Insurance numbers total of 214,000 registrations of Romanians and Bulgarians (EU2) to the year ending June 2015.

    "The number of National Insurance numbers issued to Bulgarians and Romanians has jumped from below 50,000 to more than 200,000 since work restrictions on people from those countries were lifted in 2014."

    Many Romanian and EE WGs also register themselves as self employed paying National Insurance and taxes to legalize their stay in the UK especially those who work at Strip clubs or reputable agencies and incalls run by British People. Of course the best ones head to and work in London.

    Yes, London is Flooded, Swarmed with Romanian girls and I am hoping for an even bigger Flood of Young Hot Reliable Romanian girls of the type I've mongered with lately in London. A report with links on some of them will follow.
    More official figures on the number of Romanians.

    http://webarchive.nationalarchives.g...to-the-uk.html

    "Figures from the Labour Force Survey (LFS) and National Insurance Numbers (NINos) allocated to adult overseas nationals provide information on employment of EU2 nationals. These sources suggest that over the last year there were increases in the number of EU2 nationals either seeking work or in employment.

    In the year ending December 2014, Romanian citizens were allocated the largest number of NINos; the total of 146,000 was a 715% increase on the 18,000 NINos allocated in the year to December 2013. Over the same period NINo allocations to Bulgarian nationals increased by 325% from 32,000 to 42,000. The NINo statistics represent a flow measure of non-UK nationals registering for a NINo. These patterns will also include short-term migrants and are not a direct measure of when a person immigrated to the UK, as those registering may have arrived to live in the UK weeks, months or years before registering.

    Data from the LFS shows the number of Bulgarian and Romanian citizens in employment in the UK. The latest estimates show 154,000 Bulgarian and Romanian nationals employed in the UK in October to December 2014, a 19% increase on the same period in 2013 ".

    More figures https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanians.

    At the time of the 2001 census, 7,631 Romanian-born people were residing in the UK. When Romania joined the European Union in January 2007.

    The British government placed transitional restrictions on the rights of Romanians to work in the UK, which expired on 1 January 2014. The Office for.

    National Statistics (ONS) estimates that, in 2012,101,000 Romanian-born people were resident in the UK. In 2014, the ONS estimates that 170,000 Romanian-born people were resident in the UK. ".

  13. #5111

    It's legal but not really

    Quote Originally Posted by Dreams  [View Original Post]
    Misinformation as usual.

    Prostitution is legal in the UK. The only case where police harass is with street workers. Otherwise anyone can ply her trade in her own premises openly. Agencies, parties, girls openly advertise freely.
    Dreams,

    I am sorry that it seems to you that I am providing general misinformation.

    But who said anything about prostitution being illegal in the UK? Everyone knows that prostitution has always been completely legal in the UK. The paradox though is that although a woman can never be arrested for being a prostitute, pretty much everything else that she needs to operate easily in her profession is illegal.

    She can't openly solicit on the streets, advertise her prostitution services in the general media, hire someone to act as her manager / agent, work from a premise with more than one other prostitute working there and so on. Even if she has a maid to help her with answering the phone and opening the door to visitors, she cannot pay her a salary directly but instead the maid has to rely on tips from punters to make a living.

    The prostitute can act as a prostitute as long as the general public is unaware she is a prostitute. So she will describe herself as a model, a masseuse, a hostess or even a lap dancer to escape unwelcome attention from the general public if not the law.

    In fact the environment for prostitutes is so unfavorable here that most people actually assume that prostitution is illegal. Whereas in other countries, like Thailand, where prostitution is against the law people assume that is completely legal because prostitutes are allowed to operate totally openly and their profession is generally accepted within society as a legitimate way to make a living.

    Let me leave you with a post from your mate Jojosun describing a raid by the police on a London sauna, just 4 years ago, and the owner was put in prison for 2 years for running a brothel.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jojosun  [View Original Post]
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6D6_d1BWJBg

    Published on 26 Jul 2013.

    The Met police raid on Steam and Sun Health Club in Chalton Street, London, in February 2012.

    http://taxileaks.********.co.uk/2013...years-for.html

    Sauna owner gets two years for running a brothel.

    [URL]http://metro.co.uk/2013/07/04/upmarket-brothel-steam-sun-club-made-26m-a-year-...

  14. #5110

    Language is an Important Factor.

    Quote Originally Posted by Optimist  [View Original Post]
    Dreams.

    You are right that girls much prefer to be in a city like London than in what they consider a boring bit of Germany (based on what girls say to me)

    Cheers
    Prior to the lifting of controls on Romanians they were attracted to Italy and Spain because of Similarity of Romanian language to Italian and Spanish, that's what few WGS told me.

    And prior to Romania joining The EU they were to be found in Cyprus, Lebanon, Israel, Turkey.

    Now Young Romanians including WGS are much more likely to have some English skills than German, same applies all over Eastern and Central Europe.

  15. #5109

    What to do?

    Quote Originally Posted by Optimist  [View Original Post]
    Dreams. London is not "flooded" with Romanians. I I want more young, dynamic Romanians. That is just my opinion

    Cheers
    If you want what you're looking for, now you know Where to look for them in the UK as its now been proved in (Figures) that London is Flooded, Swarmed with Romanians.

    LOL, be a true Optimist, Enjoy the London scene before Brexit comes into force.

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