I'm in total agreement. Above standard looks, civilized and fun. Excellent descriptions and summary. Report of Distinction for sure.
Addis Ababa 2016
Silent Reader, but I must contribute because this section on Addis Ababa is lacking.
I will try to focus on Addis Ababa, because its the best destination for meeting Ethiopian girls from diverse ethnic backgrounds, opposed to visiting the geographic regions of Ethiopia. In Addis you will be able to meet girls from all Ethiopian ethnic groups + girls from neighboring nations if you go out & look for them. I will try to divide the Pro from the Semi-Pro in Addis (although it gets blurry). I will also list the prices in Birr (21 Birr= $1, if you have $ you can sell it for up to 22.5 birr). That said, I don't advise you to bring in dollars, because myself & many tourists got pick pocketed (Ethiopians are not violent, but they are quick handed, both guys & girls will go for your $ if they detect it, so be very careful & expect to "lose" something if you come here).
First thing first, Ethiopian girls don't normally offer any kind of Oral, if they do its primitive & against their instincts, they preform better physically. So those who insist on oral must be warned early on.
Overnight fee (I don't do overnights, although Ethiopian girls will offer all night for double ST fee or sometimes to stay over if they want to call it a day. Usually it means they want to get actual sleep 99% & will give you a morning session 70% -not a sure thing!- or she might steal 1% don't expect an actual multiple pop action all night, its against Ethiopian norms, have manners don't wake her up, just cause you got hard, she will not cooperate & might ruin your morning session.
**Pro Girls (by Location).
* Bole (Haya Hulet FMKA Chechnya).
This area between (Mickey Leland st, Djibuti st & Hali Gebre Selassie st) has about 10 spots to pick up girls & the general area is a pick up zone, concentrating in Mickey Leland bars. The girls are average Ethiopian which is (6 to 7 in global standards) & the price will depend on you, but in general 200 Birr gets you a ST (locally called short) Local men pay half of that but as a foreigner 200 birr is standard, I used to try to be generous, but it backfired & now I just go out try various girls, sometimes just pay & pass & save my energy for the ones I want. Once I find the one, I spend more on getting her lotions, perfume & clothes but that is my own choice & usually already outside the Pro setting (in Ethiopia Non-Pro always costs more).
Highest paid (1000 Birr for a Bar owner that I just wanted right away & had her leave her store for a short) Face = 7, Body = 9.
Lowest paid (200 Birr) various girls 6 to 8.
* Kazanchis (historic Red Light District).
Just 1 km north of Haya Hulet, you enter Kazanchis the older Red Light district. It gets active After 7 pm. Girls here know less English compared to Bole, the rates are the same & quality a bit lower than Haya Hulet, but I just pass by to make sure I am not missing out, hit & miss.
Highest paid (1000 Birr) paid the girl 300, but she managed to take about 700 out of my pocket when I was in the shower (4th date) Face= 7, Body= 7.
Lowest paid (200 Birr) various girls 6 to 7.
* Piyassa, Old Italian Piazza.
This part of Addis is about 2 Km NW of Kazanchis, the whole Piyassa becomes active after 7 pm, girl looks here are on the same level as Bole, but they tend to be from rural backgrounds, muslim ones wear head gear & Christian ones will were blouses & in general girls here speak less English. However, they are friendly & will understand if you ask for a short. They are the girls standing by the walls, not to be confused by the possible semi-pro or non-pro walking by trying to catch a ride out of the Piyassa station, those will be walking, if you want to be sure always approach girls standing on the wall next to other girls. They all look average (Ethiopian average = 6 to 7 global), in Piyassa there are also some "hotels" which confusingly means restaurant in Ethiopian, but also some have rooms. Bigger booty women tend to stay in those places (maybe they are too big for the streets), but its illegal to go to brothels in Addis, so be careful, those brothels charge 300 500 its not very clear to me, because I never tried it hands first, I went inside used the restrooms, look at the girls, but it was illegal, so I didn't do it. However, its legal to pay girls in a non-brothel environment for sex as long she is 18-81 yo.
Highest paid (600 Birr) for specific request for 2 pops (not a good idea, always try ST first, then if you like it simply book another one).
Lowest paid (200 Birr) regular first time rate for a ST.
**Semi-Pro & Non-Pro Girls.
I strongly advise to learn some Amharic & understand Ethiopian culture before approaching Semi-Pro & non-Pros, so its best to start with Pros early on & then try out Semi Pros & Non-Pros in that order IMHO, knowledge of Addis Abeba districts & demographics will help you choose the proper locations that suite you, in general very little can distinguish a Pro from a Non-Pro, mainly because the Pros in Addis Abeba are not that hard core & Non-Pros in general are well bred & have true sexual freedom, so in general as long as you have $, look decent & act decent you can get lots of Non-Pro girls, from my experience it always costs more Birr. The looks & attitude are the same, so I only go for a Non-Pro if she has very specific traits I am looking for & I try to make a clear budget, because some of these girls have poor judgment on how much they can score (possibly misguided or chasing the dragoon from a past experience with Millionaire Mark she might have scored), I had a girl flat out ask me for $2000 she needed for school, another girl took me to a specific store (example hair for 5000 birr & lots of other things asking me to buy them in front of pretty girls, I am certain its a team set up to pressure the guys she brings to buy over priced goods from her store), so I told her I can pay later, but not now. They were all offended & I had to crawl my way out of the ambush! Other girl was so cool came to my room pleasantly took off her clothes, let me see her body and out of no where started she crying and asked me for 5000 birr before I even touched her, so I was naturally moved, showed her my chivalry by putting her clothes back on, telling her I can't have sex with a girl who just needs money & gave her 200 birr for dramatic experience, wasted half a day with her & we were so cool, but her game was too dramatic for me, I didn't see that one coming! Non-Pro both sincere & scammers are not as easy / breezy as pros. So I am very picky with Non-Pros & always remember you will always pay for it one way or another, so don't try to be unfair, as usually it will only back fire. Insist on paying to close that problematic window of unpredictability, if she is above your budget. Then at least you know to either go ahead or walk away, it can be very confusing to mongers because the extra price is for emotional effort by the Non-Pro or Semi-Pro, so know what you want & don't be rude or lose your mind if she asks you for everything you have. Love is Everything & she is giving you love & she wants everything in return, take it or leave it.
Then there is the hustlers (they need a class of their own in Addis), those girls dress better than the average Ethiopian (they are the same girls, because again in Ethiopia the average peasant girl is pretty), but these girls work best with guys who like make up & have a big value for fashion / hygiene, these girls will position themselves strategically into your life, either at your hotel, club in a Pro or Semi-Pro setting. Once you are ready to go she will quote you a 1000 birr 2000 birr for an encounter, most guys go for it without bargaining, they can be usually bargained to 500 birr, but she will make it feel uncomfortable to bargain after she ensured to make you feel you are a VIP, the pressure is so strong, its usually done in front of one her friends, nothing aggressive, just smooth effective pressure. Those girls are very good at what they do / hustling / so whether its in H2O, Concorde, Yoly or just outside your Hotel lobby. Know it when it happens, if she looks like the girls on Music videos, she is one of them. Performance wise & looks nude is the same as any Pro girl mentioned above (generally above average, since you are in Ethiopia).
The Massage Spas concentrate in Bole area (about 20 of them), the standard full body massage is 200 Birr (+100 birr for HJ or +300 for FS). That is the standard, but if she senses you are a newbie you will get poor massage followed by hey what do you want, FS for over +400 extra. Usually they will accept +300 for FS, paying for FS in a SPA adds up to 500 for ST, the same ST is for 200 outside. Massage quality is poor so no value for massage, No BJ (Skip Addis if Oral is important to you). I noticed lots of older richer looking Africans & possible Diplomats frequent those spas, so them its a privacy issue. I tried the spas mainly out of curiosity, most were just too pricey with no advantage, except the cool white pants uniforms that shine nicely under LED or whatever they use. Also Spas might suit locals who don't want to pay extra 200 for a room, but if you have your own hotel room, it makes no sense financially.
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Poor choice in Addis Abeba, because its illegal & they are the same girls just over priced, in Addis you just have to go out & have fun. Its a safe city, except for pick pocketing. I spent lots of nights in the streets, the Govt presence is strong, the police are disciplined, the population is genetically civilized & fun seeking, the only incident I got into was getting punched by a drunk man, while trying to break an argument between drunk guys. In general the Ethiopians are well mannered, poverty causes begging, non-lethal pick pocketing & culturally tolerated Prostitution.
Yellow fever inoculation
I am often requested to show the yellow card on entry to African countries.
Now you don't have to renew the jab for yellow fever every ten years:
Emirates made a big deal about having my shot record while departing Nairobi. I was flying from there to Thailand. Its a Thai requirement. The girl seemed disappointed when I whipped it out. Why are people such haters?
I had no idea Nairobi was so high. Am never out of breath there. I take a med that supposedly lowers my immune system. It has almost kept my from getting many jobs, but I always get a pass. Never been sick going to the third world other than hangovers!
It starts in the aeroplanes, where there is the risk of droplet infections. These plus crazy airconditons spoil the holidays of many people afterwards.
Thanks for all the useful feedback.
When I said immune compromised I should have been clearer. I live in Asia (the third world) so yeah I understand the germs. However I've always had a low white blood cell count (since a kid), I just have a somewhat lower immune system (will get upper respiratory infections, thrush, tonsillitis) pretty easily. But they're always treatable. I'm mid 40's and am only sick on average twice a year and I'm sleeping with new girls (and dining at Y) a few times a week (lots of new bacteria etc) for last decade. Part of it has to do with carrying too much weight and eating too much sugar, not enough exercise. Trying to fix this.
I just don't like the idea of a live-virus inoculation (Yellow Fever), since there have been almost no cases of YF in Nairobi or Addis in last 20 years I don't see the rationale for getting the jab. So just polling to see if anyone has been asked for it when entering Nairobi. Or headed back home.
Regarding altitude. I got sick twice, once when I first came to Denver and once in Dalat. I lived in Denver 3 years and obviously acclimated (rode my bike 10 m RT two work each day no probs). In Dalat I literally freaked out badly. Anxiety, paranoia, couldn't breathe, total panic attack. Had to call a taxi and head back to Saigon 24 HR after arriving. However in retrospect it could have been another issue (I haven't had caffeine in 24 years (allergic) - and I think they served me reg. Coffee instead of decaf) - ha. (3 cups within 40 min).
The end result is that I'm now paranoid about altitude. Sometimes the 'worrying' will do more harm than the physical ailment.
I might head to Nairobi first (5,900 ft) and after a week head to Addis (7,700 ft). Or might just chuck the whole Addis / Nair thing, or go only to Mombassa, Dar es Salaam and Zanzi. Along the coast.
I wouldn't be worried about the documents as much as I would be worried whether travel to foreign countries is advisable at all in your condition. Mongering is not without risks and travel (any travel, not only to African countries) exposes you to many germs where your immune-system does not have an adequate response to. It is a question only a doctor can anwer.
Commercial aircraft must be able to maintain air cabin pressure not less than the pressure at 2400 m altitude. Most modern aircraft maintain a cabin pressure equal to about 1600 m altitude. It is known however that older aircraft and aircraft flying for budget airlines will reduce the cabin altitude prressure and remain much closer to the "max" of 2400 m.
Altitude sickness is directly linked to the amount of oxygen in the air. At 2400 m there is about 25% less oxygen in the air compared to at sea level. By exerting yourself at higher altitudes the effects of lack of oxygen will be acute. Sitting in an aircraft chair does not require much oxygen, hence symptoms will be much less. If you are indeed very prone to altitude sickness, it would be wise to speak to your doctor. There are some drugs (acetazolamide) that helps your body to adapt to a higher altitude. Otherwise you will have to arrange for a few days of rest before you exert yourself. Usually the body adapts itself to the higher altitude after a few days.
At the beginning of this year I flew from Addis to Mombasa and back from Nairobi to Addis. I had the Yellow fever certificate but it was noz checked at neither of the airports.
As to a weak immune system I would ask a doctor if it is advisible to go to a third world country at all.
Two Addis travel questions.
Have a week in Addis planned in Oct before a week in Nairobi.
Two travel related questions:
1) Anyone have experience at other borders (like Nairobi) asking for yellow fever certificate coming from Addis? I'll only be in the city and there appears to be little danger and as someone with low immune function I don't want to take the live-virus vaccine. I do have a sham copy I can show on my phone. But no actual card.
2) Altitude sickness: Both Addis and Nairobi are freaking high (2,300 m / 1,800 m) - In the past I've gotten sick traveling to Dalat (1,500 m) - first manic, then inability to sleep, paranoia, racing heart, irritability. (which quickly diminished on ride back to Saigon). Anyone experience problems in Addis?
I read that cabin pressure is the same as being at 2,500 m. And the most I get is a little anxious. And some flights are 22 HR. So wondering if it's all just mental.
Sorry for the slow repy
Only saw this now. The forum is pretty accurate concerning the moods of women this side. The problem is that even the men are conservative (they do like or want BJ's, different posiitons etc). It is the strangest things. That said unlike other places you can judge things on surface value much more. A girls with a wild haircut by Ethiopian standards (Think a mohawk or something else) who speaks good english is going to be a lot more open to western tastes. That said all pros a mechanical. Thankfully the conservatism also provides a shield since mongering is legal. If they threw a fit or get crazy you can go to the police. While open and legal there is still both sadly and gladly a great deal of shame if you are considered to engage in that.
Never go to Memo
I never went to memo. And I never will go there. Like H2 O etc. Etc. Its a scam place. Girls are 180% in the business.
Addis is not good for a short time stopover. At least. You need one week.
All in all I had only good experience, etc. See my reports.
Update on massage places
Really need a recent recommendation for a reliable massage place. Here is my experience with the ones mentioned here.
Wow massage, mentioned earlier in the forum as a reliable spot, does not exist any longer. I walked around the area and didn't see a single massage sign. Lots of recent construction in the area that may have forced them out.
I checked out the few massage places off of Mike Leyland St and passed. None of the girls were at all attractive on the night shift.
I finally went to the place mentioned just south of the Getu commercial center (walk south on the road, turn left at the sign after the petrol station). There, at night, there were a couple of girls that were cute enough. However, the one I chose demanded 1000 for sex and starfishes. Worst service I've ever experienced with a SW.
I'm sure someone that visits Addis regularly has a reliable massage spot. Any tips would be very appreciated.
Just try non-pros
I used to work in such places like Kombocha in Ethiopia. From my view, even everything is behind modernization there, but the girls are much easier to communicate. However, it could be much better if you can speak some Amharic. Try to be friendly to them, and I am sure they will response kindly. It is your big advantage that you are working there for a long term.
Thanks for the heads up report. I monger quite often next door in Kenya. Was considering a change of pace to Addis. This type of crap is total bullshit, and I have seen the fake shit from Ethiopians worldwide. In my home town of Wash DC my cousin and I went into a Ethi bar and they refused to serve us! Ethiopian women are quite attractive, but have the attitudes of world class (B) itches. It makes sense the more attractive ones are OUT of their own country selling pussy. The negative and sporadic posting in this forum makes Ethiopia a no-no. I will just pay the fare at York in DXB as usual.
Arriving next week
I'll be there next week. If you up for a beer just PM me.