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  1. #7088

    I'm with you

    The prices are totally out of whack with what is on offer. Who is paying these prices? I've been to Cambodia / Phnom Penh many times over the years, and it was never a great place to monger in my opinion and add to that its deteriorated at a greater pace than all other countries (from a monger perspective). I struggle to find a cause for this. Is there a way for us to fight back against this? Maybe a monger's guild / union that blacklists certain bars / girls? Or approves certains bars?

    Quote Originally Posted by MrEnternational  [View Original Post]
    Please tell me where you are getting these prices from. This is my second time here. 4 years ago I got a chick for 13 ST (Walkabout) and another chick for 28 LT (Heart of Darkness). This time it is like I am in a different Cambodia. Bar fines are ranging from 10-17. In some places they say barfine is buying x amout of lady drinks. Like one place you have to buy 4 lady drinks at 3.75 each. Then the chicks are wanting 50-70 ST or 100 LT after that.

    At 2am last night I was able to talk a chick at Tiger bar on 136 down to 12 BF and 30 ST. Then they kept trying to make me buy 2 drinks before I could bar fine her. I told them no way. They gave in and I took the chick to my room for an hour.

    Before that, me and a wingman were at Pontoon. Chicks were talking 100 ST and 150 LT. What has happened to this place?

    And bar girls are still running the drink scams. The other night 5 of us were on 104. Chicks lured us into Rose Bar. We are trying to talk about getting some ass. They always pressure you by saying buy a drink first, then we talk about it. As soon as we bought drinks those biches left us and headed to the other side of the room never to return. 48 more hours until I am back home in Pattaya. This place can go to hell.

  2. #7087

    Pricing

    Last night I visited some places at the main intersection on 136. I ended up bar fining a girl from a place, but I forget the name. It is across from Mr. Butterfly.

    Cost:

    - Beer for me $2.

    - Drink for her $3. 75.

    - Bar fine $10.

    - Her ST ask $50.

    I agreed to her asking price of $50. All in this cost me $65.75. My guess is you won't get much cheaper from any of the main bars at that intersection. I'd say the girl was an 8 as far as looks and body go. She let me do whatever I wanted during our ST together and she had a good attitude with good English skills. ST in this case included two shots and she left shortly after the second shot, which was exactly what I wanted. Overall, it was a good experience and I'll probably try different one tonight.

  3. #7086

    Gone to Shit

    Quote Originally Posted by SacredMan  [View Original Post]
    For LT in hostess bars, I won't pay more then usd60 plus barfine $10.

    ST max I pay is usd25.

    For any freelancers in phnom penh, ST USD20, LT Usd40.

    In fact, in what phnom, I pay only ST 10, LT 35.

    This is Cambodia, and if I'm a Cambodian, I too will quote as high as possible to a foreigner, just trying my luck.

    We live in a world survival of the fittest. May the best man win.
    Please tell me where you are getting these prices from. This is my second time here. 4 years ago I got a chick for 13 ST (Walkabout) and another chick for 28 LT (Heart of Darkness). This time it is like I am in a different Cambodia. Bar fines are ranging from 10-17. In some places they say barfine is buying x amout of lady drinks. Like one place you have to buy 4 lady drinks at 3.75 each. Then the chicks are wanting 50-70 ST or 100 LT after that.

    At 2am last night I was able to talk a chick at Tiger bar on 136 down to 12 BF and 30 ST. Then they kept trying to make me buy 2 drinks before I could bar fine her. I told them no way. They gave in and I took the chick to my room for an hour.

    Before that, me and a wingman were at Pontoon. Chicks were talking 100 ST and 150 LT. What has happened to this place?

    And bar girls are still running the drink scams. The other night 5 of us were on 104. Chicks lured us into Rose Bar. We are trying to talk about getting some ass. They always pressure you by saying buy a drink first, then we talk about it. As soon as we bought drinks those biches left us and headed to the other side of the room never to return. 48 more hours until I am back home in Pattaya. This place can go to hell.

  4. #7085

    Money charger.

    Quote Originally Posted by PunkBoulala  [View Original Post]
    Hey Everyone,

    Thanks for the details on pricing. I'm not one to overpay. I will always walk away if I think I'm being treated like a sucker. I've been doing this in Asia for about 15 years, but slowed down a lot recently. Anyway, is it still a pain in the ass to change $100 bills in PP? The money changer only gave me hundreds. It was a great rate, so I didn't complain.

    I'm interested in meeting friends, so if anyone wants to meet-up, please inbox me. I'll be arriving on the 14th. I'd like to do some clubbing and bar hoping.
    To Punk Boulala.

    I been to Cambodia 3 time never need to change money I always just use USD bring small bill one and five for motor bike and hotel will also change your 100 usd bill to smaller usd bill, the THB is also widely use I use 50 bht for short trip on motor bike most vendor will give you small change in Riel and I just give it to the kid on end of my trip.

    Fast Eddie 48.

  5. #7084
    Quote Originally Posted by BobMorane69  [View Original Post]
    These prices are just ridiculous.
    Before I paid 20 to 30 dollar + BF for a girl from a bar in PP. Cheaper if it was one of my regulars. Now it is difficult to take a new girl for less than 40 dollar and many don't go for less than 50 dollar. The going rate is not 100 dollar, but it is also not 20 as before. What is your experience, Bob?

  6. #7083
    Quote Originally Posted by SlowAndEasy  [View Original Post]
    Perhaps it would be helpful if you provided the prices that you feel is fair.
    My concern is Cambodia will never attract our kind of visitors till:

    * the price of entertainment is 2 or 3 times more expensive than neighbour countries (Thailand.) for less quality of service.

    * real estate 5 o 6 times expensive for more dirty cities.

    * street local food is less safe and tasty.

    * cost of living is up.

    - hopefully, with mobile apps like PassApp we now have good prices and facilities for transportations. No need to bargain venal tuktuks anymore.

    - also, we still have easy long term visas, but, for how long?

    Please, look at my long long review of the situation now in Cambodia / Phnom Penh here: http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...290&viewfull=1#post2137290.

  7. #7082

    Prices.

    Slowandeasy. Have another look at SMs prices. Add 20%. Stick to that unless you are willing to walk away. Enough said.

    SE.

  8. #7081
    Quote Originally Posted by BobMorane69  [View Original Post]
    These prices are just ridiculous.
    Perhaps it would be helpful if you provided the prices that you feel is fair.

  9. #7080

    Changing $100 usd notes

    Quote Originally Posted by PunkBoulala  [View Original Post]
    Anyway, is it still a pain in the ass to change $100 bills in PP? The money changer only gave me hundreds. It was a great rate, so I didn't complain.
    To change $100 usd cash notes just change your money at one of those street money changers that seem to be all over the place. But this is to receive Cambodian Riels. The rate is more or less fixed most of the time and there is only a very small buy / sell spread. So there is no risk in holding riels.

    You see, everyone in Cambodia will accept riels just as gladly as they will accept your dollars. In fact the restaurant that I usually eat at in Phnom Penh actually prefers that you pay in riel. And my guesthouse has no problem accepting either riels or dollars. Sometimes I pay them in dollars and sometimes I pay them in riels. Its pretty much 4000 riels to $1 usd, so easy to work out in your head how much to pay in riels.

    The money changer will usually give you a mix of 20,000 (worth $5 usd) and 10,000 (worth $2. 50 usd) riel notes. That way you always have a supply of low denomination notes to pay for all your daily needs.

    Just remember that it is illegal to take riels out of the country so spend or convert them before you depart Cambodia. But no-one has ever checked me at the airport on exit.

  10. #7079
    Quote Originally Posted by SacredMan  [View Original Post]
    For LT in hostess bars, I won't pay more then usd60 plus barfine $10.

    ST max I pay is usd25.

    For any freelancers in phnom penh, ST USD20, LT Usd40.

    In fact, in what phnom, I pay only ST 10, LT 35.

    This is Cambodia, and if I'm a Cambodian, I too will quote as high as possible to a foreigner, just trying my luck.

    We live in a world survival of the fittest. May the best man win.
    I guess I am over paying. I will try out your pricing the next time I am in PP.

  11. #7078
    Quote Originally Posted by SlowAndEasy  [View Original Post]
    I did not do any short time in PP. The bar girls I took home were long time. Going rate was between $80 and $100 US + bar fine. Pontoon was ran between 70 and 120.
    These prices are just ridiculous.

  12. #7077

    Changing $100 and Meet Up

    Hey Everyone,

    Thanks for the details on pricing. I'm not one to overpay. I will always walk away if I think I'm being treated like a sucker. I've been doing this in Asia for about 15 years, but slowed down a lot recently. Anyway, is it still a pain in the ass to change $100 bills in PP? The money changer only gave me hundreds. It was a great rate, so I didn't complain.

    I'm interested in meeting friends, so if anyone wants to meet-up, please inbox me. I'll be arriving on the 14th. I'd like to do some clubbing and bar hoping.

  13. #7076

    Hello, I am new here and live in Cambodia for 3 years.

    I would like to send you my review of different spots of Phnom Penh, and then, discuss together about it.

    We are now in 2018. I am a 29 years old (charming man, sorry but it is). I like to catch middle-range girls under 25 years old.

    Let's discuss.

    *Hostess bars.

    In the dry season (no rain) and week-ends, I discovered that it's actually very difficult or even no more possible to barfine an attractive girl at a reasonable price. The most part of the lady "only drink". The salary of 100 $/ month and 1. 50 $ extra bonus (lady drinks) are enough for these girls. And, if you search enough in plenty bars, you will find someone "ok for barfine", usually a not really young and beautiful girl, at the price of: 50 $ for short time; and 100 $ for long time; "boom boom 2 times maximum" ! (passive sex).

    New 2018 rule, I promise.

    I feel that in the week (Monday to Thursday) and during the rainy season (August to November) it's easier to get a girl "out" and don't "over pay" because there is no one tourist customer. Only the old selfish expats:-the or at least, people not in the rush and people aware of the cost of life in Cambodia.

    I meet last week-end so many tourists so frustrated in the street at around 2 AM saying things like that: " We want find girls for boom boom! It's so easy in Thailand! Here, girls only drink WTF?"

    Hum, you seems right, welcome to the new Cambodia.

    Something scammy is very new to me and I experiment it a lot during my last evenings there. Here the story: girls drinks with you and * do no say "no for barfine" do not say " I only drink ". Good good, I found it!

    "Are you ok for long time 50 $ ?" "Humm humm, why nit why not? # drink drink ". And then! After few lady drinks paid generously and getting horny, when you want " Check bill and bar fine ". Oops, the girl no more go outside. Now changing mind. Have blood period, need to take care baby-mama, miss buffalo or other b.

    Now: " I only drink sorry. Or at least 100 $ you know, Cambodia is like that ". Huch!

    I am not used to this kind of cheating in Cambodia. But, my bad, I experiment more and more, time to time here:

    I guess the prime minister ask the working girls to increase their prices, conspiracy, inside job.

    *Massage for foreigners.

    The experience it's not so sweet and colorful than in Thailand.

    Here the common experience of massages in Phnom Penh:

    1 - walking around the streets near the river side of Sisowath Quay, get sweat (f* hot country).

    2 - putting my head behind the doors of massage parlor (usually, no body catch you outside).

    3 - asking, "you have young girls for massage?? I don't like massage with grand-ma LOL LOL."

    50% of massage parlors do not even understand the request and look me "confused" .

    25% of parlors have only old-fat-dirty ladies available.

    In the 25% left with one young girl available: many time, I order 1 girl downstairs (" you can oil massage me? You? You! OK, massage with you so " go up, get naked and then, they change me the girl by a granny and I have to / grumble-growl / to get my girl back; a young girl who cannot give decent massage and 80% of the time, do not provide any extra-special-happy-happy.

    I think around 10 $ for 5 minutes working hand it's a fair deal for massage girl who earn less than 100 $ for a month of 27 days staying at work.

    In Siem Reap, you can get a hand job pretty easy near the Angkor Night Market.

    * Massages for Asian people in big luxurious building:

    I plan to have a look at this kind of shops, but I am a shy Westerners. I need to be caught up on the street and I don't feel comfortable to go inside a big luxurious building with storefront written in Chinese only: " is it secure? They speak English? As a white skin prince charming they will try to scam me or not? Have young girls inside and if not, will be confident to say goodbye save my time and keep my money? ".

    I hear about the places in Sothearos Boulevard: "Soul Golden City" ; "Elephant massage" .

    Other, where?

    Customers Chinese, Vietnamese, Japaneses are used to manage with that kind of place.

    What about you western guys?

    * KTV.

    Same problem here. It's "Asian customers oriented". I guess you have to pay for room, box of drinks, rent girl (s) (100 $ burned already) and then. What? Maybe the girl do not go out?

    * Darlin Darlin, Ponton:

    Do we really need to pay 100 $ for a short time in Darling Darling?

    Or to wait till 3 AM to meet a girl who smokes ice in Ponton?

    * Brothels: Massa; shed-garage (next to the Chinese House Restaurant) ; massage parlor for "10.000 RIELS".

    I have a look outside that places already and only seen fat dirty ladies who cannot speak a little word of English.

    * Street: what Phnom, 51 Golden Sorya Mall.

    (Promotion) you can take the risk to get HIV for 10 $ with a dirty lady without teeth anymore. She will be happy to stole everything in your home if you sleep well.

    * To conclude:

    I stay in this country for few time now. I really love Cambodian people, I am sweet and respectful with any of them. I am used to pay extra money for a job well done.

    I understand first they miss some "ambition" : eating chicken feet everyday is enough.

    I think also they have cultural mind of "lazy people". OK, they suffer of war 40 years before.

    But, they are so poor. The globalisation is here right now! They don't do anything with their country, then, Chinese buy everything: open casino-brothel and put Khmers at work for a nasty salary, when they don't forget to pay them; Chinese also kill khmer motorbike drivers every weeks in the busy streets, driving so fast.

    I feel so upset to see people who can potentially get 1000 $/2000 $/3000 $/ month as freelancers (like in Thailand) get scammed by other Asian people who take advantage of the political situation of Cambodia. So sad to see that Cambodians working better as slaves than they work good as entrepreneur, for their own pocket.

    Thailand is a modern copy of Cambodia and the land of smile long time taken advantage of the neurotics Westerners to get so many money, building all the Issaan with our perversion.

    It seems Cambodia will remain empty. A Chinese annex, like the Tibet.

    Thanks for reading, hope to collect a lot of opinion here.

  14. #7075
    Quote Originally Posted by SouthEaster  [View Original Post]
    SacredMan has............ Have a look at SMs view on Sihanoukville. I live there and have to agree.....poor destination these days. You can still get laid but it is not the easy laid back place it once was. I am leaving end of April.
    SE.
    Its quite sad you finally decide to leave after staying in Sihanok for so many years.

    I don't live in Sihanok but I've been to Sihanok so many times within these 3 yrs that I lost count. And each time I stayed in Sihanok about 2-3 weeks.

    And I'm very familiar with sihanok as I always rent the bike from Mr Mohn whose shop is directly opp Fortuna Casino resort to roam everwhere into the rice fields and into hilltops.

    Sihanoukville:

    Sihanok is a money laundering paradise. And so there's a big wave of China people coming to wash their money and turn it into gold. As you already know, almost all casinos (now at least 15 legitimate casinos) in SÓhanok have very very little gamblers playing. In fact most of these casinos don't have any gamblers at all. In spite of the fact that almost all casinos have extremely poor business, yet more new casinos are being built, obviously money laundering is the key reason for such bloom. And so with the influx of China-manned-casinos, it brought along many China staffs into Sihanok thus inflating prices. It was so ridiculous that in shanghai KTV, next to fortuna casino, they charge a China hostess usd300-500 for take away.

    However, in spite of the influx of China people, I still enjoy going to Sihanouk because I enjoy fucking pussies just by paying usd 5-15 for st. My friend love fucking 3 wls one after the other, and he only blast his missile on the last wl. I encourage members to take advantage of cheap ST as in what Phnom (in PP) and in Sihanouk (chicken farm and KTV street), to crank yr manhood into as many pussies as possible before you download yr bullets into yr last WL. Its really quite fun, funny, adventurous and v satisfying.

    In sihanok KTV street, try not to pay more than usd10 for ST. Of course its also v gd to be generous.

    The ambience in Phnom Penh is v different from Sihanouk. PP is more rowdy whilst Sihanouk is more quiet but it have many nice beaches. In Sihanok I love enjoying seafood at night in orchestral beach. Anybody that come, its a must to enjoy yr seafood by the orchaeuteal beach to enjoy the ambience. When I left Sihanouk on 2/1/2018, my friend told me orchaeuteal beach is now under intensive renovation. Anyway in 2 weeks time I will be back in Sihanouk and PP.

    Phnom Penh:

    I really enjoy the ambience of the hostess bars around s136 in pp as I got the chance to oggle those ladies sitting outside.

    There are many places in pp to get cheap ST (usd10-20) eg in what Phnom, svay pak (there's about 8 KTV along the road with gals sitting outside), and along st2004 not far fm pp airport.

    For those who have time and love backpacking, I recommend the following route, to stop and stay at each town: start from Pattaya -Bangkok-Poipet (Thai Cambodian border) - Siem reap. Phnom penh- Sihanoukville- Bavet (Cambodia Vietnam border) - Ho chi Minh.

  15. #7074

    Prices.

    SacredMan has the price right. That said he obviously knows the score and is willing to walk away from bullshit overpricing. Slowandeasy is paying way too much so he is either a newbie or doesn't care to bargain. 100-120 bucks for a girl in PP is over the top but many will pay it. Especially true of newbies / one week millionaires. If you are not desperate you should end up paying somewhere in between. Have a look at SMs view on Sihanoukville. I live there and have to agree. It is a [CodeWord140] poor destination these days. You can still get laid but it is not the easy laid back place it once was. I am leaving end of April.

    SE.

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