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  1. #9771

    Tea house scam

    Quote Originally Posted by Changlelu  [View Original Post]
    After many warnings from Hobbiest1, local LE has finally stepped up its game:

    http://www.shanghaidaily.com/metro/s.../shdaily.shtml

    Hobbiest1, you can rest assured now and plan for your next trip to former SCAMHAI!!
    Shanghai has gotten so much bad publicity for the tea house scam, they may have had no choice but to take some action. We'll see if those goofballs are still out at People's Park and Nan Jing East trying to lure tourists. It might just be a one-off.

    As the forum has repeatedly advised, Shanghai is a remarkably safe city if you use approved services, including escorts, bar girls, saunas and massage parlors. If on the other hand you deal with touts, including "college students" and taxi drivers, you've got a nearly 100% chance of getting ripped off.

  2. #9770

    RE: LE takes down SCAMHAI. Finally

    If I read correctly, the news is about a raid done April 2015, raid done to only one establishment. The bad experiences continue to happen in recent months, and there are many touts with several of those places, not only one. As my report says there are many touts in Xin Tian Di and Nanjing Rd, targeting tourists, and they recruit many tourists almost in front of the police.

    As I said I like China a lot, great country with good people. What happened to me doesn't make SHA a less better place, SHA is a great city. It can happen everywhere with so many tourists and those gangs taking advantage. My mistake for not RTFF and not seen the value of other's advice, trying to outsmart myself, overconfident, stupidity, hot little head, lack of common sense, etc. 100% my fault, I accept.

    I just hope that my message helps others for not having the same stupid mistake I did. I also wish LE pays attention to the issue if people complain.

    Quote Originally Posted by Changlelu  [View Original Post]
    After many warnings from Hobbiest1, local LE has finally stepped up its game:

    http://www.shanghaidaily.com/metro/s.../shdaily.shtml

    Hobbiest1, you can rest assured now and plan for your next trip to former SCAMHAI!!

  3. #9769

    LE takes down SCAMHAI - finally

    After many warnings from Hobbiest1, local LE has finally stepped up its game:

    http://www.shanghaidaily.com/metro/s.../shdaily.shtml

    Hobbiest1, you can rest assured now and plan for your next trip to former SCAMHAI!!

  4. #9768

    Typical

    Quote Originally Posted by LukeSkywalker  [View Original Post]
    Every time I have to transit through Shanghai Pudong Airport, I have to wait in long lines without thousands other travelers, who do not enter China, but have to wait for about 1 hour in line to show passports to Chinese Immigration workers. These workers don't seem to have any means to check the passports. They were just looking at them for no reasons.

    These stupid and rude immigration workers cause very negative impressions of inhospitable and unfriendly attitudes of Shanghai and China to foreign travelers. I have not seen this poor service and attitudes in other airports in China. I will get on yelp and give China Easter a zero for their passenger services. I will also be sending my complaints to the leadership of Shanghai. Any bros witnessing this poor service should make their complaints to appropriate authorities.

    Of course Shanghai leaders may tell me to stick my complaints up my ass for the Chinese New year.
    Don't let the CCP propaganda or shiny buildings fool you, China is (and will always be) the 3rd world.

    If you expect anything better - you're in the wrong place.

  5. #9767
    Quote Originally Posted by LukeSkywalker  [View Original Post]
    Every time I have to transit through Shanghai Pudong Airport, I have to wait in long lines without thousands other travelers, who do not enter China, but have to wait for about 1 hour in line to show passports to Chinese Immigration workers. These workers don't seem to have any means to check the passports. They were just looking at them for no reasons.

    <snip>
    These stupid and rude immigration workers cause very negative impressions of inhospitable and unfriendly attitudes of Shanghai and China to foreign travelers. I have not seen this poor service and attitudes in other airports in China. I will get on yelp and give China Easter a zero for their passenger services. I will also be sending my complaints to the leadership of Shanghai. Any bros witnessing this poor service should make their complaints to appropriate authorities.

    Of course Shanghai leaders may tell me to stick my complaints up my ass for the Chinese New year.
    I guess you haven't been to China for long if you think complaining will make this slightest bit of difference in a Government-run bureaucracy. Also, I recommend avoiding China Eastern Airlines at all costs. American & United run their own flights to Shanghai.

  6. #9766

    The cattle line for transiting foreigners at Shanghai Pudong Airport

    Every time I have to transit through Shanghai Pudong Airport, I have to wait in long lines without thousands other travelers, who do not enter China, but have to wait for about 1 hour in line to show passports to Chinese Immigration workers. These workers don't seem to have any means to check the passports. They were just looking at them for no reasons.

    After showing passports, travelers are rounded up like cattle to wait in another long line to wait for 2 antiquated X-ray machines to screen their luggage.

    Some of those travelers risk being late, losing their seats on their connecting flight.

    The Chinese immigration workers do not seem to know or to care for the needs of travelers. Most don't even know how their immigration system and procedures work. The Chinese immigration workers were horsing around, having fun at their posts, seeming to delight in humiliating foreigners, making them submit to their stupid, nonsense rules. They act in slow, inefficient and very unprofessional manners.

    The facilities at Shanghai Pudong terminals and gates are very poor. The waiting areas at the gate were freezing cold because the door to the outside tarmac was stuck open. There were very few or no food or drink sold, not even water fountains. China Eastern was ferrying passengers by buses to board their planes in freezing open weather. Some of those passengers were from warm areas like Los Angeles; they were freezing on the tarmac in their summer clothes, while the other passengers took their time clogging up the aisles looking for their ideal overhead storage bins, and the flight attendants were not doing much to speed up the boarding process. When I got to the plane's door the top of the stairs, I had to tell the chief attendant to speed up the boarding so the rest of the passengers won't freeze to death outside the plane.

    I ran into some of the rudest passengers and workers transiting Shanghai. Of course I also ran into Yoko Ono, her son Sean and 2 young and tall body guards, being led through special VIP lounge without waiting in line to the plane, which was a China Eastern flight code share as a Delta flight. I hardly think Yoko Ono would get any attention from anyone or should deserve special treatments at airports.

    These stupid and rude immigration workers cause very negative impressions of inhospitable and unfriendly attitudes of Shanghai and China to foreign travelers. I have not seen this poor service and attitudes in other airports in China. I will get on yelp and give China Easter a zero for their passenger services. I will also be sending my complaints to the leadership of Shanghai. Any bros witnessing this poor service should make their complaints to appropriate authorities.

    Of course Shanghai leaders may tell me to stick my complaints up my ass for the Chinese New year.

  7. #9765
    Quote Originally Posted by Ikksman  [View Original Post]
    Only 800! You were lucky. Most stories I hear the extorted amount is far greater!

    Is Shanghai worse than anywhere else? I don't think so. Many cities in the world have scams operating openly. The main criticism that I would make is that airport immigration and all Shanghai hotels and tourist agencies should hand out warning brochures.

    Ikks
    No country will ever openly admit their own police is corrected and or can't control crime. Maybe torist agencies abroad should or would, me it even in that case it is like "don't buy this trip".

    We know a lot of people, especially tourists, are often emotionals and would take some negative advice like "it is a war front".

    There is people scared to fly turboprop planes as they are small and have propellers.

    There is people deeply scared to go in a country after a terrorist attack (it is probably safer than anywhere else after the attack).

    There are some nationalities that can be sort of manipulated by official news.

    My corporate sent an alert a week ago to be cautious if we travel to Istanbul and Ankara. Wtf?

    So go imagine immigration handing over a brochure like that.

    At the best you can hope on friendly suggestions front the hotel, or friendly suggestions for your travel agency. But they'd feel weird in telling you that, trust me, as you could say "I am gown up and I know how to travel".

  8. #9764

    Cleared

    My inbox is cleared.

    Quote Originally Posted by BbbJon66  [View Original Post]
    I am going to SH in Jan. Marty. Please clear your PM box.

    Thanks,

    Jon

  9. #9763
    Quote Originally Posted by ChinaLover1  [View Original Post]
    I have had good experiences in China in several cities during years and I always feel safe.
    Maybe overconfident I missed to read these pages and I missed any common sense. Few weeks ago after being several times in Xin Tian Di and in Nanjing Road. Pedestrian (between People Square and the Bond) where I saw many people offering services to tourists (now I know they are Touts scammers criminal bad people), even when the police were nearby. Stupid me I felt confident. {S N I P}
    Only 800! You were lucky. Most stories I hear the extorted amount is far greater!

    Is Shanghai worse than anywhere else? I don't think so. Many cities in the world have scams operating openly.

    I remember in the 90's in Bali, there were a scams (usually involving a false gambling debt, or a broken promise of marriage) that were so prevalent that the Australian government had very prominent warnings on their websites and Qantas used to hand out warning brochures about the scams on every flight. And many victims ended up losing large amounts of money or even ended up in prison (Police were involved in the scams). Probably still happens today! Interesting that the instances I observed were all run by Chinese!

    In Hanoi, I have been stopped many times by SYTs claiming to be university students and wanting to practice their English, haha! They always wanted to go to a place of their choosing, even though sometimes we were only a stone's throw from my hotel (the Hilton next to the Opera House). Once 2 girls followed us inside Bobby Chinn's restaurant, but refused to have a coffee with us and quickly left when the waitress approached us.

    In Shenzhen, some of the smaller KTVs take advantage of naive or drunk groups and pad the bill alarmingly and a few threaten violence. And of course following an unknown tout to an unknown destination is significantly increasing the risk that something bad may happen. There was even a kidnapping case in ChangPing some years ago, where one of our well known ISGers saved the day by getting the hotel to change the key code to the victim's hotel room and detaining one of the girls that came to get the victim's other credit cards.

    I am sure that other ISGers here could add to these stories in many other cities in the world. The main criticism that I would make is that airport immigration and all Shanghai hotels and tourist agencies should hand out warning brochures.

    Ikks

  10. #9762

    Sha Na Na Spa. Shanghai Pudong

    I was staying at the Marriott and based on the good reports I read, I decided the pay a visit to Sha Na Na. This is a nice place kinda up market. The massage menu is pretty large. Receptionist speaks a decent English. I opted for the 120 min massage in VIP room (larger and equipped with a shower). I was allocated a 35-40 years old masseuse named Winnie (n95) dressed in white mini shirt and polo. Winnie is nice, pretty and speaks a good English. She offered me a drink before the massage and I had a shower while she was preparing my tea. She gave me a paper short and insisted I wear it (I don't like). After I finished my tea she proceeds to give me a very good quality massage on my back, thighs and legs with several proper touching at the right places while we were chatting and flirting. It has always been very clear that the happy ending was on the menu so I felt relax during the whole session. Then she asked me to flip over and the quick negotiation started. We agreed at 300 RMB which no given compared to the place I now in Paris but I know Shanghai is an expensive place. The finish was excellent. No time pressure I think it was 20-30 min of excellent penis massage (as opposed to HJ I can do by myself). Winnie was using oils and she did everything to make the pleasure last longer, stopping when required until I couldn't wait. We had a lot of fun together joking all the time. After I came, she cleaned me and I had a final shower. I left the place relax and destressed. I really recommend "Winnie 95" although the tariff is pretty high. I visited Winnie twice during my stay before I flew to Manila to have a couple of days with my girlfriend. No reports about that (this is private) but you can read about the rest of my journey in Singapore forum.

  11. #9761

    Cici the powder of WeChat

    It has been a while since I last posted a report but after two years stuck in Europe I am now back to the nice places where actions worth reporting. I recently got a nice experience with WeChat while I was staying at the Marriott Pudong. As I was experiencing WeChat I was receiving lots of invites and I picked up one from a lady named Cici. Cici was a masseuse working in the Spa attached to the hotel. We doesn't speak any English so as I don't have a clue in Chinese we were using WeChat translator only. After a while she offered me a room service for 1200 RMB. I obviously argued saying that 1) this is far too expensive 2) I was looking for a more intimate kind of service. We then continued the chatting during the day and as the tone was getting friendlier and as we were getting closer to twilight, she then said she wanted to give me a massage for free in my room. Wow nice! We agreed and we was at my door sharp at the agreed time. Cici is good looking in her mid 30's a bit chubby with beautiful the cup boops. After she entered in my room she prepared a towel on the bed for the massage, undressed in underwear and then started massaging me the back. The massage was good quality although a bit too soft for me. Few smart touching aroused me enough to be in good shape when she asked me to flip over. When I was lying on the back then massaged ma legs and suddenly without any notice I felt he hand on my dick and she started giving me an excellent non covered blowjob. After few minutes I pulled her up to kiss her and as she was obviously enjoying I started licking her pussy and we had enjoyable sex together. Afterward I offered her a drink at the bar and we agreed to meet again the day after. The day after we had another passionate session and as she was sucking me for a second round she received a call from her sister who was arriving from her province so she had to go. I gave her 300 RMB for the taxi and we agreed to meet again the next night. For some reason she couldn't make it (her sister was keeping her busy and I had to leave the country) but we kept in touch on WeChat until my next visit two month later. The night I arrived she was waiting for me at my hotel and we went directly to my room for a great session after I offered her favorite Chanel perfume. She stayed with me the whole night so we also enjoyed sex the morning. As it was obvious that she was expecting a serious relationship I decided to break up. She accepted no problem. Total damage for 2ST and one full night: 300 RM (taxi) + 70 (perfume). I can give her mobile to any senior member showing good track record on this forum but please be careful: Cici is a nice person who deserves respect and attention.

  12. #9760
    Quote Originally Posted by ChinaLover1  [View Original Post]
    I have had good experiences in China in several cities during years and I always feel safe.

    Maybe overconfident I missed to read these pages and I missed any common sense. Few weeks ago after being several times in Xin Tian Di and in Nanjing Road. Pedestrian (between People Square and the Bond) where I saw many people offering services to tourists (now I know they are Touts scammers criminal bad people), even when the police were nearby. Stupid me I felt confident.

    I accepted following one of them to a place (almost in the corner of Dianchi and Yuanminyuan) and my experience was horrible. First they charged me the fee for regular service, and at the end a threatening guy came, and demanded a large amount. I said no. He became very threatening (fight attitude), even pushed me and called his friend. It was very scary, the confrontation lasted several long minutes. Since I was alone and inside their place I imagined they could do anything bad to me and nobody would ever know. I finished giving him 800 and I was happy I left and I was not hurt and alive.

    I noticed that in those two places (Xin Tian Di and Nanjing Rd) the Touts follow all tourists, and the police there see that and do nothing. Some people like me lack of common sense follow them and get in horrible trouble. The incident was several weeks ago but I still remember clearly each second of that terrible moment, and the stupid guy threatening me, it is a horrible memory-feeling.

    Right after the incident I went to the police station (Ningbo Henan), three blocks from the incident. I talked to the police there (female police) but she offered no help, I even believe Police know and do nothing.

    I believe Shanghai is a good place but common sense is a must like in any place in the world.

    Please never follow the touts as many people already mentioned in this forum.

    I also hope the police there starts being honest and protect the tourists, or they will forever have a bad memory of the city and the country.
    Very sorry you went through it, dude. Yeah, Shanghai (and Beijing) touts. They're all bad. Rather safe city otherwise.

  13. #9759
    Quote Originally Posted by Xplorer18  [View Original Post]
    Hello fellow mongers,

    Hi from India,

    I am scheduled to be in Shanghai In the 3rd week of Feb. For three nights.

    Any pointers towards good places / streets for MP / pick up clubs / night life etc would be very appreciated.

    Need advice on reliable places, and promise to return the favor if any one needs help in India.

    Thanks in advance guys.
    As an Indian, go to "Kaveen's Kitchen" for dinner. It is opposite of the Hilton (close to the corner Yanan Lu / Huashan Lu). Ask the owner, Vic, to show you of his magic. You will be amazed!!

    From there, the "action" (Judy's / Manhattan) is in a walking distance.

    Enjoy!

  14. #9758
    Quote Originally Posted by ChinaLover1  [View Original Post]
    I also hope the police there starts being honest and protect the tourists, or they will forever have a bad memory of the city and the country.
    This forum is also about giving hints how to move in Shanghai and what to avoid. I think there are warnings on every second page about not to follow touts. I assume you did some reading before.

    In some cases particular people think they are still smarter than the crowd posting and warning here about the monger risks.

    In some particular stupid cases, people think of themselves as "street-smart", but then, do fall into each and every possible trap, which can occur. I think they simply should stay away from places like Shanghai and enjoy the wind and the sun at safer places, because they are de facto too stupid for the place.

    Lev.

  15. #9757

    Marty please clear your messages

    I am going to SH in Jan. Marty. Please clear your PM box.

    Thanks,

    Jon

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