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  1. #5200
    Hi Belinik,

    Great to see you taking an active interest in the forum.

    Quote Originally Posted by Belinik  [View Original Post]
    I'm going to echo Fast Eddie's comment. There are still action around, only if you know have contact (yes even in CP).
    Yes, of course there is lots and lots of action everywhere. But it can be difficult (post yanda) for laowai's to participate if they don't speak Chinese, are new to SZ, or are only visitors. This is of course apart from the usual few haunts in Luohu and using escort type WGs. Western Laowais are only a tiny percentage of foreign mongerers in SZ. The great majority are Hongkongese and Taiwanese.

    SZ has much more population compare to Huizhou, I personally will not put either into comparison.
    I am comfortable with my comparisons between Shenzhen and Huizhou. SZ may have more than twice the population of HZ, but HZ is more than 5 times the size of SZ (and Huizhou is bigger than LOS Angeles by size and population).

    However, the main purpose of the comparisons was to give readers familiar with SZ, a clearer perspective of HZ. For example I compared Danshui to Dongmen (in Luohu), as both are sub-districts.

    A warning to all who engage activity in Shenzhen, there are multiple reports in other forum that KO is about to deliver another blow in Guandong, Some reported even 'normal proper' sauna in Lohu is asking day time customer to register their ID.
    Gong'an are primed to deliver one last big raid in Guangdong this year according to some. Will it hit SZ? Don't know.

    Just check again, yesterday night the whole & (Shazui) got hit. Although it is only from one source (since it was posted 3 hours ago) I think it is creditable.
    There have been occasional raids in SZ that I am aware of. This year they have mainly been on specific premises in outlying areas where activity was seemingly unaffected by the CNY yanda. Was this raid reported in the press? A raid on the whole of the ShaTsui action areas would have required a lot of police. This area covers many more blocks than Luohu or Xiang Xi cuns.

    I guess if you take the girl up your apartment it is fine, but I would avoid KTV and sauna for now.
    Personally, I think the risk is very low (and there is always some risk).

    Ikks.

  2. #5199
    Quote Originally Posted by Ikksman  [View Original Post]
    {S N I P}I believe that Desert Storm KTV is actually the Manheng Dayton Garden Hotel in Longxi town, Boluo county, just off the Jiguang Expressway, near the older Foxconn factory. This is in the sticks, a fair way way west of Huizhou CBD. There is actually has a full flower street daily. This information is available on the internet. {S N I P}
    Apologies, the name of the hotel is wrong. I copied the wrong translation for 曼 亨 顿 花 园 酒 店 mn hēng dn huāyun jiǔdin.

    The hotel English name is Marhenton Garden Hotel, sometimes called the Mangenton Garden Hotel.

    But there is a genuine flower street parade. Impossible to get a decent hotel room there at weekends, but if you go midweek, book ahead, and negotiate one of their better rooms on the higher floors, then it would be a fun trip.

    Ikks.

  3. #5198
    Quote Originally Posted by TomSf  [View Original Post]
    Belinik,

    Nice post. I was just at Hong Kong airport. I tested Viber to see if it worked. The good news was Viber did work. If it worked in Hong Kong I assume it will work in Shen Zhen and other parts of China. I need to stop at Hong Kong airport after I leave Thailand. I am very tempted to do a two day trip in Shen Zhen to check out the action. IF I am not too burned out from Thailand and Vietnam. I found skype so so in China. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. I guess this will also depend on the WiFi speed of the hotel you are staying at. If you are spending top dollar of a 5 star. Skpe may be better.
    "If it worked in Hong Kong I assume it will work in Shen Zhen and other parts of China. ".

    That is a totally incorrect assumption.

    "I found skype so so in China. ".

    You did not find Skype "so so". You found shitty WiFi in cheap hotels.

    Kitsune9

  4. #5197
    Quote Originally Posted by TomSf  [View Original Post]
    Belinik,

    Nice post. I was just at Hong Kong airport. I tested Viber to see if it worked. The good news was Viber did work. If it worked in Hong Kong I assume it will work in Shen Zhen and other parts of China. I need to stop at Hong Kong airport after I leave Thailand. I am very tempted to do a two day trip in Shen Zhen to check out the action. IF I am not too burned out from Thailand and Vietnam. I found skype so so in China. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. I guess this will also depend on the WiFi speed of the hotel you are staying at. If you are spending top dollar of a 5 star. Skpe may be better.
    Not sure how I miss your post, possibly it's due to how the forum is moderated.

    Although Hong Kong is part of China does not function the same as China (Hong Kong Special Administrative Region of the People's Republic of China http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Kong). Whatever works in Hong Kong does not mean it will work in China (note: facebook, twitter and youtube work in Hong Kong, but in China they do not unless you work some magic into it), I notice your last visit is before the crack down. Things has changed since then I will install viber on my phone and check China mobile and unicom later. Will report back in a day or 2.

    Given what I gathered yesterday night (about a possible major crackdown happening due to news media spilling KTV's secret, I would suggest reconsider the trip down to sz. Perhaps other area in China may be better. But my hobby experience in China is almost non-existent (I arrived Shenzhen after the crackdown. Go figure).

    Skype works OK if you install the China version, if you use the international version then they do not work as well.

    Ikksman, good luck on your trip to Huizhou, hopefully you might be able to discover the secret gold mine!

  5. #5196
    Quote Originally Posted by FastEddie48  [View Original Post]
    To Ikksman.

    That is not true at all I was in Huizhou for one night last week to visit friend a few ISG member are posting that iwiill be next CP why the central government clean up the imfamous town of CP and allow HUIZHOU sauna and KTV offer FS , only Naive member will believe that I go there 5 time a yr there are over 500 sauna in that area include Huiyang and Danshi have FS as cheap as 208 rmb about 5 yr ago most have closed down some are only offer HJ only now and some KTV have a some girl but offer to regular customer only, the crack down is for the whole Guangdong province and most of China I know one Naive member in Dongguan post Huizhou will be the next CP don't where is he getting that info from.

    Fast eddie 48.
    Hi Eddie,

    Thanks for the information. Did you go to Danshui, or just Huicheng (the Huizhou CBD district)? Yes, the whole of Huizhou was hit as hard as Dongguan in the last yanda. And no, I don't believe that Huizhou is the new CP.

    ISO9000 has reported, a number of times, that some KTVs are operating in low key mode and all saunas are closed. ISO9000 runs tours to Huizhou KTVs. He names the KTVs in his tours as Galaxy, Noble, and Desert Storm. I think these are fictional names. And if I remember rightly, he writes that the girls can be taken back to CP hotels (where the tours are based).

    I believe that Desert Storm KTV is actually the Manheng Dayton Garden Hotel in Longxi town, Boluo county, just off the Jiguang Expressway, near the older Foxconn factory. This is in the sticks, a fair way way west of Huizhou CBD. There is actually has a full flower street daily. This information is available on the internet.

    However, I have heard from other sources that a few new saunas are operational in Huizhou and the full range of special services are available. But I don't know where they are, and this is the information I am seeking. Bloody difficult to find unless one has a lot of time, is Chinese, and can get hooked into the local scene.

    Cheers.

    P.S. I have received one PM from a member with some interesting info. If I go to Huizhou, I will investigate and report via PM to interested bona fide members.

  6. #5195
    Quote Originally Posted by Belinik  [View Original Post]
    Hi guys,

    First time posting in this forum (registered an account when I was researching Japan info a while ago).

    I moved to Shenzhen right after the sandstorm beginning of this year, I have been monitoring the Hong Kong forum about action in China also. Although I am very new to the hobby I might be able to help with getting by with internet in China.

    Viber is blocked, at least with China telecom Guandong.

    All google service has been blocked by China since May 2014, and the block is most likely permanent.

    If you have Google voice for voice mail purpose your best bet is to forward to a non google email.

    If the social app is blocked right now, chances are they will not be unblocked...
    Belinik,

    Nice post. I was just at Hong Kong airport. I tested Viber to see if it worked. The good news was Viber did work. If it worked in Hong Kong I assume it will work in Shen Zhen and other parts of China. I need to stop at Hong Kong airport after I leave Thailand. I am very tempted to do a two day trip in Shen Zhen to check out the action. IF I am not too burned out from Thailand and Vietnam. I found skype so so in China. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. I guess this will also depend on the WiFi speed of the hotel you are staying at. If you are spending top dollar of a 5 star. Skpe may be better.

  7. #5194
    Quote Originally Posted by Kitsune9  [View Original Post]
    Why do you prefer China as the best place to monger, especially after the unprecedented recent problems?
    Kitsune9,

    I need to add. I have not been to ShenZhen since the crackdown. I currently am in Thailand. I will write my first day trip report for Thailand today and as soon as it gets approved you can check that out. Prostitution is a huge part of Chinese culture. Anytime I have been there it was everywhere. In Shanghai I would get escort agency cards dropped in front of my room and I was at a 3-4 star hotel which was awesome. Shen Zhen was awesome the times I was there. Because a taut or manager finds you. That you to an apartment building. You wait in an apartment and the manager keeps calling girls until you find one you like. Now these girls AR 18-24 years old. Many extremely hot. I would leave the apt and go to the elevator and another taut would grab me to show me her girls. It was really hard to walk 15 feet without getting grabbed.

    In China the rooms are cleaner. Hot woman can be got for $200 RMB which is like $30 USD. China does not have a insect problem like Thailand ect.

    I will add. China woman can be expensive too. It all depends exactly where you are in China. Service will very like anything. If you can speak some Chinese it will help with service. If you are paying 200 RMB and can't speak a word of Chinese. You might not be happy with the service. You need to make a connection with these girls and if you can't even talk with them. Then its hard.

  8. #5193
    I'm going to echo Fast Eddie's comment. There are still action around, only if you know have contact (yes even in CP).

    SZ has much more population compare to Huizhou, I personally will not put either into comparison.

    A warning to all who engage activity in Shenzhen, there are multiple reports in other forum that KO is about to deliver another blow in Guandong, Some reported even 'normal proper' sauna in Lohu is asking day time customer to register their ID.

    Just check again, yesterday night the whole & (Shazui) got hit. Although it is only from one source (since it was posted 3 hours ago) I think it is creditable.

    I guess if you take the girl up your apartment it is fine, but I would avoid KTV and sauna for now.

  9. #5192
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    Fast Eddie 48

    Not true

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikksman  [View Original Post]
    Need some help! Not sure whether this is the best place to post or not, but here goes.

    I intend to visit Huizhou for a couple of days (midweek) and hope to try some saunas there, as Huizhou is supposed to the place to be! But there is precious little information on ISG.

    To say that there is action in Huizhou is like saying there is action in Shenzhen. Both are prefecture level cities. And there is a distinct lack of clarity whether the desirable saunas are in or near the Huizhou CBD (in Huicheng district) or at Danshui (in Huiyang district), or both places!

    Danshui is a subdistrict of Huiyang, in the same way that Dongmen is a subdistrict of Louhu. Danshui is maybe 20 km south of Huizhou CBD (railway station). In fact Danshui is much closer to Longgang than Huizhou CBD.

    If there was action in Huizhou CBD I would take train from Shenzhen Bei. If only action in Danshui, then bus would be the better option (it would be ridiculous going via ChangPing and using the travel agency bus service).

    Can anyone provide more precise information regarding the locations and names of appropriate saunas or hotels with saunas (PM me if you like)? BTW I have made note of the Hao Yi Kang International Hotel in Danshui.

    Cheers.
    To Ikksman.

    That is not true at all I was in Huizhou for one night last week to visit friend a few ISG member are posting that iwiill be next CP why the central government clean up the imfamous town of CP and allow HUIZHOU sauna and KTV offer FS , only Naive member will believe that I go there 5 time a yr there are over 500 sauna in that area include Huiyang and Danshi have FS as cheap as 208 rmb about 5 yr ago most have closed down some are only offer HJ only now and some KTV have a some girl but offer to regular customer only, the crack down is for the whole Guangdong province and most of China I know one Naive member in Dongguan post Huizhou will be the next CP don't where is he getting that info from.

    Fast eddie 48.

  10. #5191
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    FreebieFan
    Quote Originally Posted by Ikksman  [View Original Post]



    . Now the only problem is balancing my dalliances with 2 regular girls (I had to ring my housekeeper to come early the next day and repair the bedroom damage). Maybe I need some tips from FreebieFan. Maybe I need to photograph the whole apartment after each girl's visit to be able to restore the exact environment next time. Ah, what problems!

    Ikks.
    Hi Ikks. Yes you will no doubt get hate mail including the " why are you making stuff up " type posts from those who still live with Mommy / Daddy.

    Its always good when an unplanned encounter turns into something wonderful. Its like Spring, visiting early, good for all the senses.

    Keep looking. And you will indeed keep finding. Life equally good in BJ, but like you, but no real need to share the experiences.

    We know who we are, and we know what we do.

  11. #5190

    Help wanted!

    Need some help! Not sure whether this is the best place to post or not, but here goes.

    I intend to visit Huizhou for a couple of days (midweek) and hope to try some saunas there, as Huizhou is supposed to the place to be! But there is precious little information on ISG.

    To say that there is action in Huizhou is like saying there is action in Shenzhen. Both are prefecture level cities. And there is a distinct lack of clarity whether the desirable saunas are in or near the Huizhou CBD (in Huicheng district) or at Danshui (in Huiyang district), or both places!

    Danshui is a subdistrict of Huiyang, in the same way that Dongmen is a subdistrict of Louhu. Danshui is maybe 20 km south of Huizhou CBD (railway station). In fact Danshui is much closer to Longgang than Huizhou CBD.

    If there was action in Huizhou CBD I would take train from Shenzhen Bei. If only action in Danshui, then bus would be the better option (it would be ridiculous going via ChangPing and using the travel agency bus service).

    Can anyone provide more precise information regarding the locations and names of appropriate saunas or hotels with saunas (PM me if you like)? BTW I have made note of the Hao Yi Kang International Hotel in Danshui.

    Cheers.

  12. #5189
    Quote Originally Posted by Belinik  [View Original Post]
    {S N I P} Viber is blocked, at least with China telecom Guandong.

    All google service has been blocked by China since May 2014, and the block is most likely permanent.

    If you have Google voice for voice mail purpose your best bet is to forward to a non google email.

    If the social app is blocked right now, chances are they will not be unblocked.

    Having a Skype online number helps, but it is not exactly cheap for the purpose, and if you are forwarding it to a local China cellphone you might as well giveaway your China phone number (most ringtone are enhanced with Chinese music). {S N I P}
    Hi Belinik,

    Welcome!

    WRT Viber (which I don't use, so I cannot test), a colleague of mine uses continuously, and he assures me there has been no interruption to service.

    Nonetheless, the Skype solution was for TomSf, a possible tourist, who wanted to hide the fact that he was in China from his family and GF (who use Viber and Google Voicemail to contact him). So this solution would work irrespective of China banning these apps. I thought it may possibly be useful for others.

    China is very unlikely to ever ban Skype because it is used so extensively by international businesses operating in China.

    BTW Skype, Viber and others have all quietly handed over their encryption keys to China to facilitate their monitoring of communications. Google did not cave in to China's demands so they were effectively banned, although a few Google products apparently work intermittently. China also demanded that Google censor certain search words and phrases at China's request (like they do with Baidu).

    I am not American, so I could be wrong, but I thought that Google Voicemail only operated on USA Cell phone numbers with USA Telcos within continental USA. But anyway, obviously no use to those of us who live in China.

    Cheers.

    P.S. You raise an interesting point when you write China Telecom, Guangdong. It is not uncommon for different telcos to offer different products and services from province to province. So what may work in one province, may not work elsewhere. And I have always used China Unicom as there has always been compatibility with HK and Australian 3G services and iPhones were available and worked correctly (it was the only Telco that did).

  13. #5188
    Hi guys,

    First time posting in this forum (registered an account when I was researching Japan info a while ago).

    I moved to Shenzhen right after the sandstorm beginning of this year, I have been monitoring the Hong Kong forum about action in China also. Although I am very new to the hobby I might be able to help with getting by with internet in China.

    1. Viber has not had, does not have and is extremely unlikely to have any restrictions in China.
    Viber is blocked, at least with China telecom Guandong.

    All google service has been blocked by China since May 2014, and the block is most likely permanent.

    If you have Google voice for voice mail purpose your best bet is to forward to a non google email.

    If the social app is blocked right now, chances are they will not be unblocked.

    Having a Skype online number helps, but it is not exactly cheap for the purpose, and if you are forwarding it to a local China cellphone you might as well giveaway your China phone number (most ringtone are enhanced with Chinese music).

    There are many ways to work around the restricted / bad internet in China, but most of them requires a few coin to do so.

    Situation in SZ (from other source).

    P4P in Shenzhen is slowly recovering. There are a few sauna (MP) reopen in Lohu area. FS is still somewhat hidden and limited, without contact you try some neighborhood to get a quickie up the building, but I was told most return disappointed. KTV is another option but expect to pay 4 digit after including KTV and drinks.

    I was told by a few locals that there will be one more huge crackdown before the year ends. Most advise to conduct P4P activity elsewhere.

  14. #5187

    Using Google Voice in China

    I thought it might be useful (and also address TomSf's fears) to provide more information about forwarding Google Voice to Skype when in China (or anywhere else outside Continental USA).

    The solution is relatively simple. Buy a Skype Online Number ($60 / yr or $18 / qtr), and enter the number in "Add Another Phone" in Google Voice and activate according to the instructions. Thus all Google Voice calls go to Skype and access via laptop / tablet / cell phone. You could even forward your Skype call to your local China cell phone. Wow!

    For simple step by step instructions see this Lifehacker article "How to Make Skype Play Nicely with Google Voice".

    http://lifehacker.com/5878980/how-to...h-google-voice

    Cheers.

  15. #5186
    Quote Originally Posted by FastEddie48  [View Original Post]
    To IKKSMAN.

    Too much excuse for the Lurker if I tell him to stay home not to come to China will HE listen to me, don't worry HE will find some other reason not to come because HE is just a lurker, {S N I P} Fast eddie 48.
    Haha! Prophetic words!

    Reminds me of Red Kilt's words to the Lurker's now departed associate / supporter "Experienced visitors and residents like me know that many of your comments are just plain silly".

    Ikks.

    P.S. For the interest of others:

    1. Viber has not had, does not have and is extremely unlikely to have any restrictions in China.

    2. Google Voicemail services are restricted to continental USA. Nothing to do with China.

    3. Forwarding services to Skype solves many problems.

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