I see people say that about AC and Pattaya as well. I guess the only answer here is that YMMV and some people find either location attractive but there are some who do find both equally good. Haven't come across anyone who hasnt like either, maybe I missed reading that unique post on the forum. I guess same applies to Batam as well, either you like it or you don't or it grows on you with few visits.
BP, What your FRs provide is the biggest draw which is "Potential". There exists an opportunity for a good time in Batam provided time is spend in figuring out the Venues and MO here. Needless to say liking for Indo gals is a prerequisite. I am not saying that one should fly all around the globe for Batam but if someone is passing through Singapore and has few nights to spare Batam can be an option.
Pitfalls exist in all Cities, degree varies. I always be on guard and take some basic precautions whether be it LOS or any other city that I visit and that is what anyone visiting should do. Risks involved are too many and can be seriously detrimental to ones self.
I feel that one might not be able to rock Batam night and day as you do but opportunities exist for anyone armed with some research and basic knowledge about the venues and MO. Batam might not be for an amateur as you would say but then amateur will never turn pro unless he ventures.
I sure am going to give it a chance on my next visit. Thanks for posting your FRs.
Batam on Ramadhan 2015 (June 2015): summary count
This is the summary of my girl count for my stay of June 2015 during Ramadan (7 days, 6 nights), as duly reported in my previous posts.
In spite of the popular belief that Ramadhan would be not a good period to visit Batam, I had one of my most striking experiences. I've got a similar impression also in previous years.
Indeed, during Ramadhan joints are closed at day time, but they are open at night, or accessible by alternative ways in the day anyway. Besides that, there is a whole world of opportunities to explore (massage pick-up joints should be the last chance).
The good thing is that there is less people coming from Singapore, because most people simply does not know what to do. The overall result is that there are more girls available and less competition, if one just knows how to move around.
Girls booked from massage joints:
1+1 (NA & YA) (1M + 1.2M - 100k discount + 2x300k tip).
1+1 (again NA & YA) (1M + 1.2M - 200k discount + 2x300k tip).
1 (T) (1.2M + 250k tip).
Girls from disco (Newton):
1 (A2) (600k).
Girls met around:
1+1 (TW & A, but A sleeps only) (1M).
1+1 (again TW & A, again A leaves) (500k).
Girls from past stays:
1 (TA) (1M + gift from KL).
Girls from NoName:
1 (O) (900k).
One major fail (virgin D).
(it's always a hit and miss).
Money spent on tips, drinks and various incidentals:
I do not want to think about that!
F. Girls / day: 1.57 (including girls met more than once) (vs. 1.33 in March 2015: +18%.
F. Girls / day: 1.14 (girls met more than once count as one) (vs. 1.33 in March 2015: -14%.
(F. Girls does NOT stand for Flying Girls, neither Furry Girls. I let you guess.).
Total number of hours spent at disco (Newton and Pacific):
About 2h/night on the average. (Once upon a time, it was more than 4h. Am I getting old?
I had a good time in Batam over my 5 night visit and I met some truly charming girls including two Bule bar girls, a stunner brothel girl, and an amateur in No Name who was the highlight of my stay. It wasn't that hard to get acclimated, but you are most definitely right, BlackPage; Batam IS NOT Pattaya or AC. For example, my two bar girls would not or could not barfine me. Instead they preferred hooking up with me in the afternoon for lunch and shag.
It is a question of whether you can enjoy being a big fish in a small quirky pond with only a handful of places to go to meet some great girls or you prefer being a small fish in the big blue Ocean that is Pattaya, BKK, and Jakarta with almost limitless variety. I found Batam to be an enjoyable change of nightlife scenery for a short time frame. A 5 night trip was good for me. I have been meaning to go back ever since I left, but I have never got around to it. Then I discovered Jakarta.
If you look at the RoD section, you'll see a long list of reports of mine from Batam, beginning maybe 5 years ago. This series is not the first, not the best, and I hope not the last one. Lots of stories, some really funny.
However, for you and all, don't ever think it's so easy as it seems reading! It took me a lot before understanding how to move there. It's not trivial.
Also in this thread, there is quite a number of reports of people who was disappointed of the experience in Batam. 95% of posters here say: "I won't be back".
This is not Pattaya. Serioulsly, I would not recommend Batam to anyone seeking a sex-tourism experience. This is different. Some of the pittfalls:
- where to go? (there is no Orchard Towers, no Geylang)
- how to communicate with locals? (few speak English)
- how to know what is the right price for services (taxi, girls, escorting...)? (don't let the local provider understand you have no clue)
- how to avoid scammers? (plenty of)
- so many girls chase me in pubs and disco! It's because I am handsome. (No Money No Honey)
- how to get a BJ? (don't laugh, but it is not obvious: a local girl seldom does it)
- how to get anal? (extremely difficult or almost impossible; it's not part of the local culture)
- I don't know where to go, but there is a NED (Night Entertainment District) (Yes, that's where all bule go: you'll take a while, but you will learn the hard way)
- ok I take the easy way, I book a girl from brothel/KTV: what is the probability she will be a deadfish in bed asking extra tips for anything? (high)
- I am handsome. I go and all girls will jump on me (optimism can do a lot, but nowadays there is a LOT of young handsome guys populating the nights of Batam)
- I like disco! I can't wait to go (Indo disco is NOT like in USA or Europe: first time might be shocking)
- is it easy to take girls from disco back to my room? (yes, it's also easy to get robbered)
- ok then I will just do what I read in BP's reports! (good luck )
Thanks for the Batam Reports
Hi Black Page.
It was my pleasure to read your reports. I was in Singapore twice and didn't know I'm so close.
Thanks a lot!
I can completely relate to the sentence and trust me every minute wasted is counted back and regretted at once back home.
Amazing set of FRs Black Page. Your reports are going to be a benchmark and reference guide for anyone visiting Batam in the near future. Didn't think there was so much waiting to be enjoyed just 45 minute from singapore. Unfortunately I am already booked for PP next month with barely 2 nights in a singapore but am definately going to plan a visit to Batam on the next trip.
Batam on Ramadhan 2015 (#7 - Monday)
(Follows from Batam on Ramadhan 2015 #6 - SUNDAY)
My last day in Batam. I am due to check-out at 18:30 to go to Harbour Bay to catch my ferry at 19:15.
This week has been busy. After one week spent bonking 1, 2, or even 3 times a day with the variety of girls duly reported in my previous posts, honestly I feel fed up. In am tempted to spend my last hours just strolling around, but I don't want to waste my last hours in the Land of Pussy. Once back home in my country, far from these sweet candies, I will regret any 5 minutes wasted here.
I take my set of business cards of massage joints with names of interesting girls, collected one of the first days. I make my choice for a nice couple of girls and I go there, planning to spend my last afternoon with a (hopefully) sumptuous 3-some as I did to conclude many of my previous stays in Batam.
In many of my previous sets of reports about my past stays in Batam, the last report represents the peak, the one with the closing fireworks, with the funniest or most striking adventure. Sorry, not this time.
Once I reach the joint, I discover that one of the two girls already left Batam to pulang before Eid-al-Fitr. I take anyway the other (T), captured by her teen look, braces and tiny body.
Once in my room, I discover (I don't blame her for being sincere) that yes she is young - 19 yo she says. But she has been working in Batam for 2 years already.
Imagine the freshness, her virginal innocence...!
Her body is tiny, her tits are so small and perfectly shaped as in a 12 yo girl, she does her best to please me, but every move looks so mechanical.
I understand I am biased to high now, even hyper-demanding, after one week of outstanding adventures and so many great girls. This girl is good, but I don't feel any turn on. I feel it so ordinary.
What's more, she feels strong pain when I put my thing in her. She does her best to resist, but I cannot keep on bonking a girl who tighten lips and teeth for the pain when I push.
I finish quick and I send her away.
At this point, I see all her 2-years experience as a working girl. I leave her 200 k as a tip and she demands more. She does not want to leave because she says 200 k is too few for her. For what we did, 200 k is way too much, but I leave her 50 k more and I push her to the door. She is still complaining with black face when I close the door.
It looks like I got the worst experience of the week right on my last hours. Honestly, the girl was not bad and did everything she was expected to do, but now my expectations are set too high, after so many great adventures. Too bad too leave Batam with some bitter taste, but I had enough to remember after this stay. I cannot complain.
Goodbye Batam. I will miss all this so much..!
Batam on Ramadhan 2015 (#6 - Sunday)
(Follows from Batam on Ramadhan 2015 #5b - SATURDAY NIGHT)
For me, Sunday is the day to spend walking around Nagoya Hill, hoping to meet some single lady bored on shopping. But I have different projects for today! I am still disappointed for the virgin photo-model I missed, and this still causes me a massive hard on, which would make troublesome for me walking around the mall without being noticed.
All these days, I kept on thinking to my two lovely girls NA&YA, who I booked on Thursday afternoon from a massage joint (http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...=1#post1748247).
Today I want to relax, and I want to relax with my two sweet girls in the best possible way.
One more time, I note that there is the popular misconception that Ramadhan is not a good period to visit Batam, because (supposedly) girls leave to go back to their home kampung, or most places are closed, etc. That's not true. Actually, most girls leave in the second half of Ramadhan, approaching the Hari Raya. Moreover, joints are closed at day time, but they are open at night, or accessible by alternative ways in the day anyway. The good thing is that there is less people coming from Singapore to book girls, because most people simply does not know what to do. The overall result is that there are more girls available and less competition, if one just knows how to move around.
I go straight to the same joint at 1 pm, without even alerting my girls by SMS. No customers at all. The room is full of girls, everyone smiles to me, but two girls among all stand up and smile so wide, to flash me with their white teeth. I just smile them back and say "Come on, let's go!
I firmly tell papi that I am going to pay less than the other time. Thursday I paid 2.1M (discounted from first price 1M + 1.2M = 2.2M) for the two. Today I deserve a further discount, because I book two girls, instead of just one like everyone does, and I also book them for the second day. He says a sharp "NO", but I do not deflect: I put 2M on the desk and I say I am going to leave and wait for the girls in my room. He finally accepts. I don't see why he should have not.
NA&YA arrive to my room dressed normally, with jeans and t-shirt. It's a pity, because I saw them in the fish-tank, how sexy they look dressed with heels and short dress, but that's the appropriate dress code for what I want to do today.
They enter the room and look at me silent, like to ask with their open eyes: "Then?? What do we do now?
I just reply: "Did you eat already? Today we go to Barelang to eat seafood at the kelong restaurant. Happy?
I know they are not fasting because of puasa, so I know I am not making an indecent proposal.
Last time I was to Barelang, it was 3 years ago. Since then, I never had the right opportunity, or I never had the right company who could deserve it. I think NA&YA, in spite of the job they do for sustaining their families, are special and deserve that "honour". The adventure costs me additional 400 k for the taxi (4 hours, negotiated 350 k) and about 400 k for the very abundant meal (kepiting, kerapu, udang, kampis, veggies, but it's really worth. The place is wonderful (4th bridge, Aneka Selera) and the seafood excellent.
NA&YA are really not used to customers who treat them so well as me, I think. They never went there. They tell me that they hear waiters talking about me and saying "This bule was here already many times, but years ago, and always with different girls!". Shit! I could not imagine people could remember me after years.
We go back to my room after 6 pm. Play time finally! Amazing 3-some again. This time, I start with NA (Thursday I mainly bonked YA, helped in anything by NA) while YA is still showering. When YA joins us, we both welcome her in our arms.
YA is the younger one (22), while NA is 30. NA is riding on me, when YA comes to us and we both hug her like to welcome a family member. I spontaneously say "ANAK KITA!!" and we burst out in a strong laugh. Fun time.
As on Thursday, I don't force them to sleep overnight with me (not that I would not like to sleep with them in my arms, but I prefer to leave doors open to the Unknown and Unforeseen for the night). I let them go back to their rooms (one has kids in Batam), with good tip and again 2 dozens of donuts from JCo around 10 pm.
Now it's midnight. I am alone. I begin to think I've been an asshole to send them back home. So, what do I do now?
I go to Pacific at 12 am: totally empty. Desolated. Never seen Pacific so empty.
I move to Newton at 1 am. Lots of people, but far from full. Nobody interesting. Sunday is not the day for meeting good people in disco, especially on Ramadhan.
Magic appearance around 2 am: a little dark-skin girl, luminous smile. She holds me tight immediately, but she does not look an eager working girl. Once downstairs at food court, the light reveals her as a nice pretty girl. I take her to my hotel. Once sitting on my bed, I ask her (finally) how much (I KNOW: this is NOT the best strategy). She says 500 k is enough. Ok. Good experience overall, but not WIR. She is not new to the job, as she admits.
Judging ex-post, it would have been much better for me to sleep with my two angels, but if we could foresee the future, we could solve problems which are way more serious than this.
I leave her a tip and I finally sleep (6 am).
(Follows to Batam on Ramadhan 2015 #7 - MONDAY)
No complaints at all mate! You have shown us the woods. Now its for us to find the right trees to climb.
Honestly, I thoroughly enjoyed reading your posts. Extremely refreshing. I simply love the way you treat your women. I am a firm believer of the fabled principle, what goes around comes around. Personally I very rarely repeat my women, unless they are truly spectacular in every single aspect. Equally rarely does one across such women. I said women and not girl, as I have this theory about experience in bed comes with its benefits.
Keep rocking BP.
Be sure I will keep secret all references to places and people, to avoid others can spoil my private playground!
Black Page looks like you sure had a fantabulous time in Batam. I have been travelling on work for the last 10 days and have had zeroaction, so I am reading all this with added gusto. Maybe its time for a trip to Batam soon. I have made careful notes from all your posts.
Thanks a ton mate!
Batam on Ramadhan 2015 (#5b - SATURDAY NIGHT)
(Follows from Batam on Ramadhan 2015 #5a - SATURDAY MORNING)
I go to NoName around midnight. A lot of people as on all Saturdays, but sexiest girls are either busy with their bule boyfriends ( where those young guys get to know those sexy young girls before taking them to NoName? Either they are evident bar girls. I am not interested to bar girls anymore.
Surprise! I notice O again, my 30 yo lady of yesterday night in No Name! Mutual embarrassment.
She feels embarrassed because I found her in NoName again? She has been revealed as FL working lady, instead of the nice modest lady who never goes to NoName and has no boyfriend?
Or she's embarrassed because I did not hug her immediately? And she does not want to push me?
In any case, she lowers the eyes, I do not hug her, and the story ends in that way.
1:45am, lights on. NoName follows strictly the rule enforced by the local police: during Ramadhan they must be closed at 2am.
I am leaving, when I have a VISION: a very sexy girl, with short hot pants, long slim legs, model type to give an idea, sitting alone and bored near the entrance. I did not take any drug, so it must be not a chemical-inducted hallucination. Maybe a dream, sure. So I look again and again.
She's sexy. She's taller than me, well dressed and undoubtedly belonging to the upper class of girls, those who usually are friends of the band and leave NoName with them after the show. I remember that I've seen her before, but she sat all night at her table, sharing drinks and laughs with a young handsome fancy-dressed Indonesian guy. Before, I thought he was her boyfriend, but now she's alone. Even more: she stands up and leaves the place with bored face! Where is the guy??
I follow her to the parking, I dare to smile her and ask: "Are you alone now?
OMG! I discover that the guy was her brother, not the boyfriend!
She is free, she is bored, she is so sorry that I did not dare to talk to her before when we were in NoName. Ok, no problem, we can still recover: I propose to go to Newton. She takes my hand and holds it tight. The night is turning positively, I guess.
So we go to Newton! We are three: me, her and her ugly girlfriend.
We go by car, with her friend taxi driver. Red alarm turns on in my mind: I have already plenty of experiences like "This is my friend, he is taxi driver, he can take us there", where the "friend" actually overcharges the bule who naively accepts to follow a girl from pub. Again surprise (Batam is unpredictable, I said that already, sometimes on the negative, but sometimes on the positive side): when we arrive to Newton, he wants only 30k for the ride!
WOW! First time in my life a taxi driver asks me the real price, reserved for locals. I have to insist to make him accept 50k, as I always have to pay to other taxi drivers at night, when I leave a disco in company of a girl.
I don't see why I should penalize him compared to others, just because he is honest and sincerely friendly with me.
In Newton, usual SOP: dance, 1 obat for her (which she carries easily like it was an aspirin), hotter dance till 4 am holding her slim sexy young firm body in my arms. I feel her smooth skin under the shirt and along the longest slim legs. It's a good feeling. This is what I like in Batam!
At 4am, my mouth is watering, but when she proposes to leave she also tells me "Sorry I cannot come to your hotel. I am just 19yo. My mom waits me at home. I live far. Bye for now. But call me later so we can meet anyway." .
At that time, I can only go back to my room, sad and lonely. No more options.
Once in my bed, we start chatting. She's in her room somewhere in the island. I offer to pay taxi for her to join me, and she replies:
"OK! I come now, but we can only sleep together. I am still virgin and I keep this for the right man"
I politely decline. I don't want to risk to deflower a girl, who thinks I am the right man for her. Call me stupid, or gentleman, or maybe just a stupid gentleman.
(Follows to Batam on Ramadhan 2015 #6 - SUNDAY)
Batam on Ramadhan 2015 (#5a - SATURDAY MORNING)
(Follows from Batam on Ramadhan 2015 #4 - FRIDAY)
At 9 am I wake up for the sun coming through the window direct to my eyes. I switch on the phone. Lots of messages from TW in the night: she even wanted to come to my hotel at 4am!
Jeez! What took this girl in the middle of the night? I feel I missed a great opportunity last night, but that's the problem of overbooking.
I write back. No reply. I try to call: she's sleeping. She says she will come to my room, and again with her usual girlfriend A. She promises she will be not malu anymore.
Wow let's see! I hint again: 1M + 1M rupiah if we really play together.
I wait. I wait. I call back. "Yes now we come" (11am).
I wait. I wait. I wait. "Now we are on the way" (12pm). My dream of early morning bonking vanished already. Will it be lunch-time bonking?
I wait. I wait. I wait. They show up at 1 pm. I am still in bed under the sheet (but, cautiously, I kept my underpants on ).
I left the door open, so they can enter the room without me having to get off the bed. I hope for something good.
Nothing. They are shy. Very shy. Too shy: "No-no-no-no!".
A keeps her eyes on her cell phone sitting on sofa, busy chatting with someone. TW sits and says "cannot.". Finally, A decides to leave the room. She will go to top up at Lucky Plaza. Once alone, TW enters my bed. Again I have to peel the onion layer by layer like on Thursday morning, but after a while I can admire her firm body fully naked, wonderful big tits with perky nipples, legs open wide and REALLY dripping wet. I bonk her for 45 minutes, and then she begs me to let her leave, because she does not want to be late at work at 3 pm.
Prudentially, I avoid to cum, to save my energies for possible future bonks during the day or night. It's Saturday!
She does not ask it, but I take the initiative to give her money. However, only 500k this time, reiterating my offer 1M + 1M in case they both really come to spend the night with me together.
(Follows to Batam on Ramadhan 2015 #5b - SATURDAY NIGHT)
Batam on Ramadhan 2015 (#4 - Friday)
(Follows from Batam on Ramadhan 2015 #3c - THURSDAY NIGHT)
I am too tired today, to even think about calling any girl to spend with me the afternoon. Yesterday it was an incredible day:
- 2 19 yo SYTs in my room at 9 am (bonked one while other sleeping);.
- 2 girls from joint booked in the afternoon for 3-hours 3 some play and overall enjoyment;.
- 1 baby-face little girl from Newton at 3 am.
Today I feel tired, sincerely.
At night, I go straight to NoName. Friday is THE DAY to go to NoName. Many bule and several sexy girls crowd the room. Some girls are really outstanding. Clean face, expensive clothes, expensive drinks, but all them in company with some handsome bule. I think those lucky guys have some advantage over me, since they clearly work here for months and have all the time to select the best 1% of the best 1%.
There's also a group of evident bar girls. Sexy, but I am really not interested to bar girls. One jumps on me (yes, "on me", not "to me") and offers me girls, from Vietnam and even "Colombia". I can't believe that. I must have heard wrong in the loud music. Colombia girls are the best of the Latin world, but I go there twice a year and I really do not miss that here. I don't believe anyway that a girl from Colombia could be in Batam.
I offer a drink to a girl, who looks better than others. Wrong move. She takes me out because she wants to enjoy with me "out of this noise". Guess what? She takes me to a pub in front, where she works, and where she hopes to make me drink and spend money. I enter, I look around, I run away. That pub must be really lonely, if girls thought to go to NoName to fish customers and bring them back to their work place, instead of sitting there and wait their prays.
I write some SMS to TW (see Thursday morning), who is still working at her food court, but she replies she does not want to go to disco or to my hotel. I insist. Nothing. She wants to sleep.
I go back to NoName and WOW! One girl is sitting alone near the entrance, totally different from the others.
A lady (O) well above 30 yo, pretty but not flashing, modest and well educated. Perfect English speaking. She's the kind of lady one would like to have as regular GF in Batam.
We have a drink, dance, but nothing too daring. She even gives me the impression I am wasting time with an office lady who would never flirt with a foreigner.
At that moment (1:45 am) TW replies my messages! She wants to come with me.
What the heck! Why she did not reply just 30 minutes before?? Now I am in overbooking. I have to choose. Happy problem, but WHAT A PROBLEM!! I want to hit my head on the big tree in NoName.
I opt for the new lady and I switch off the phone (to be able to say the next day that I did not see her messages).
2 am: NoName closes. I take her to Pacific, but it's empty.
At 3 am we go to my room. We make love and it's great. I will not say what is her work, but it's not the usual "office". If that was not true, at least she has fantasy.
She has to start early in the morning, so she has to leave soon. I leave her some money (900 k), asking her to accept because she spent enough in drinks before. Of course she's not the girl who would ask it, but I am sure she is happy to receive it. Salaries here are low.
(Follows to Batam on Ramadhan 2015 #5 - SATURDAY)
Fast eddie, I agree Jakarta is filled with choices and options to suit anyone and every one. However I pass though Singapore 3 to 4 times a year and I like being there. Off late the scene there has gone to the dogs. I am just exploring Batam as an option for 1 or 2 nights when I am passing through and avoid having to put up with the sorry scene in now what has become of singapore.
I also believe basis my my last visit that one needs to spend 5 days min to explore and enjoy the options available in Jakarta.
The only other option left is to pray and hope that things change in Singapore, which is a long shot.