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  1. #10900
    Quote Originally Posted by Ggekko2009  [View Original Post]
    One question though, does these checkpoints happen more frequently at South Jakarta? I was in Jakarta during March of last year, but I did not spend much time in South Jakarta.
    No, quite the opposite. Police checkpoints are a thing of North and West Jakarta. South Jakarta, rarely.

  2. #10899
    Quote Originally Posted by FreeMonger  [View Original Post]
    But is it happening only with white people or with Asians also? I will be visiting next month and I'm Asian so asking someone please clarify.
    I am pretty sure when there is razia (Police Checkpoint) on the streets at night, they would stop cars and ask people inside for their KTP if local or Passport if foreigner. I don't think it matters if you are Caucasian or Asian at that point. These cops are basically looking for opportunities to make some money. That is my understanding. One question though, does these checkpoints happen more frequently at South Jakarta? I was in Jakarta during March of last year, but I did not spend much time in South Jakarta.

  3. #10898
    Quote Originally Posted by LAGuy5  [View Original Post]
    I may have mentioned this earlier, but I put my original passport in a traveler's wallet (or case) in my front pocket. The traveler's wallet has a clip that can be used to secure it to a belt loop while the passport itself is in my front pocket. I don't like that it takes up a pocket, but unless someone put a gun to my head and said "your passport or your life" the likelihood of losing it is rather slim.
    But is it happening only with white people or with Asians also? I will be visiting next month and I'm Asian so asking someone please clarify.

  4. #10897
    Quote Originally Posted by PrisonBreak  [View Original Post]
    To all the people who live there what does the law say? Is it enough to carry a copy of passport with me in case there is a police check or not?

    I don't want to carry my original passport at night since I don't want to lose it.

    Corrupted cops in any country always try to scare tourists so they can bribe them more quickly. It s a common tactic.
    I may have mentioned this earlier, but I put my original passport in a traveler's wallet (or case) in my front pocket. The traveler's wallet has a clip that can be used to secure it to a belt loop while the passport itself is in my front pocket. I don't like that it takes up a pocket, but unless someone put a gun to my head and said "your passport or your life" the likelihood of losing it is rather slim.

  5. #10896
    Quote Originally Posted by LifeIsABeach  [View Original Post]
    As mentioned by someone below, the passport card is only useful for the 3-4 countries mentioned and works wonders there where there are lines of people crossing and special fast lines for people with card. In other countries, you can carry it if you want as a replacement for your drivers licence but you do need your real passport or a copy if it works. I carry my drivers licence and copy of passport all the time with me.
    Interesting that a few here have mentioned the US passport card. In the incident I described earlier (where I had a copy of the relevant pages of my passport along with a USA -based drivers license), the friend I was traveling with had a passport card which he showed to the policeman. The policeman looked a bit puzzled by this and seemed to suggest it was not sufficient (but my memory on this is not perfect), but then focused on trying to get a bribe from me, not my friend. Frankly, the 100,000 rupiah I decided to pay the policeman also took into account there were two of us he could go after. What was unclear is whether if only my friend were in the Bluebird and then showed his passport card, the policeman would have let him go. In our case, it did serve to deflect the policeman's attention to me, but I would put it at 50/50 at best the passport card would have worked if only my friend were in the Bluebird.

  6. #10895

    USA Passport card

    Quote Originally Posted by Traveler1234  [View Original Post]
    I did not mean to imply it replaces the passport. But it does state "passport" on the card and hey, with a few rupiah 'stucked to back' of card, can't hurt. I recall back in early 90's living in Jakarta and taking the kids to school one day. Driver was sick, cop pulled me over and I gave him the lunch money to avoid getting ticket. :
    As mentioned by someone below, the passport card is only useful for the 3-4 countries mentioned and works wonders there where there are lines of people crossing and special fast lines for people with card. In other countries, you can carry it if you want as a replacement for your drivers licence but you do need your real passport or a copy if it works. I carry my drivers licence and copy of passport all the time with me.

  7. #10894
    Quote Originally Posted by NattyBumpo  [View Original Post]
    So I wonder what real value it would have in a place like Jakarta over a copy of my passport book and my Drivers License.
    I did not mean to imply it replaces the passport.

    But it does state "passport" on the card and hey, with a few rupiah 'stucked to back' of card, can't hurt. I recall back in early 90's living in Jakarta and taking the kids to school one day. Driver was sick, cop pulled me over and I gave him the lunch money to avoid getting ticket.

    YMMV.

  8. #10893
    This is a quote from the US Passport Web site:

    "The passport card is a credit-card size USA Passport that, just like a passport book, is proof of USA Citizenship and identity. It is more convenient and less expensive than a passport book, but can only be used to re-enter the United States at land border crossings and sea ports-of-entry from:

    Canada.
    Mexico.
    The Caribbean.
    Bermuda.

    The passport card cannot be used for international air travel. ".

    So I wonder what real value it would have in a place like Jakarta over a copy of my passport book and my Drivers License. I suppose some, but would it matter to a cop out to shake me down or one with an anti American grudge? And since I have never been hassled for not having a passport in my possession except in Colombia in the bad old days, I am not too worried about it now.

  9. #10892
    Quote Originally Posted by Traveler1234  [View Original Post]
    The law is clear, visitors are required to have passport all the time. In practice, seldom enforced. I always make multi-copies of passport plus USA offers a $25 passport card, size of credit card which I carry as my regular ID when abroad. YMMV.
    The Passport card is $30 nowadays. I got mine last month.

  10. #10891
    Quote Originally Posted by PrisonBreak  [View Original Post]
    To all the people who live there what does the law say? Is it enough to carry a copy of passport with me in case there is a police check or not?
    The law is clear, visitors are required to have passport all the time. In practice, seldom enforced. I always make multi-copies of passport plus USA offers a $25 passport card, size of credit card which I carry as my regular ID when abroad. YMMV.

  11. #10890
    Quote Originally Posted by PrisonBreak  [View Original Post]
    To all the people who live there what does the law say? Is it enough to carry a copy of passport with me in case there is a police check or not?

    I don't want to carry my original passport at night since I don't want to lose it.

    Corrupted cops in any country always try to scare tourists so they can bribe them more quickly. It s a common tactic.
    If you are Caucasian, I think it may be safer to carry your passport, since you may be an easy target. I have yet to experience it since I am Asian and probably blend in better in the crowd. But never say never, knock on wood. Nonetheless, as the saying goes, a simple bribe will go a long away. I would assume Rp. 100 K will be more than enough for them if you are ever caught in a jam. After all, it's the endgame for all these corrupt people.

  12. #10889
    To all the people who live there what does the law say? Is it enough to carry a copy of passport with me in case there is a police check or not?

    I don't want to carry my original passport at night since I don't want to lose it.

    Corrupted cops in any country always try to scare tourists so they can bribe them more quickly. It s a common tactic.

  13. #10888
    Quote Originally Posted by Bkk212  [View Original Post]
    I posted some more details about the experience with immigration, in 2 parts.

    In your post you said that you always carry your passport, were you aware that you had to or were you just being cautious?

    Reason why I asked, is while I was living in Bangkok I never carried my passport but had my drivers license on me at all times. When I was stopped by police this was enough for them when they checked. However it wasn't enough for the IDN immigration.
    Thanks for the clarification. I used to carry a photocopy of the relevant portions of my passport. However, I once was stopped while in a Bluebird on Pangeran Jayakarta and the policeman said I needed my original passport and had a choice of paying him $100 US or "going to the office." I ended up negotiating the amount down to 100,000 rupiah, but found the incident unsettling, particularly given who knows what he would have done if I selected "going to the office"; I suppose there was an outside chance of having drugs planted on me or something similar.

    Since that incident I do almost always carry my passport while in Jakarta. Although I have been stopped only one additional time (I noted where most of the stops in North Jakarta were being made and avoided them), showing my passport got me through that checkpoint. One might counter that if a policeman wants a bribe, he will find out a way even if one has his original passport with him, but I think the phrase "honor among thieves," might apply here, at least to some extent. Meaning even a corrupt policeman has to rationalize his own behavior, and adopt certain rules, such as "it is okay to solicit a bribe from someone who is breaking the law, but not from someone who is not. " It undoubtedly is a rule that does not apply 100 percent of the time but I suspect more often than not a policeman in Jakarta is not going to go out of their way to shake someone down who has their passport with them and is otherwise complying with the law.

    So, I nearly always carry my passport while in Indonesia. In Thailand I never do owing to my assessment the risk is much lower although I am a bit concerned about whether things might at some point get a bit more difficult under the military dictatorship.

  14. #10887

    I posted the details, but have a question

    I posted some more details about the experience with immigration, in 2 parts.

    In your post you said that you always carry your passport, were you aware that you had to or were you just being cautious?

    Reason why I asked, is while I was living in Bangkok I never carried my passport but had my drivers license on me at all times. When I was stopped by police this was enough for them when they checked. However it wasn't enough for the IDN immigration.

    Quote Originally Posted by LAGuy5  [View Original Post]
    Sorry to hear about your experience. I am curious though about how it came about that immigration (rather than the police) nabbed you outside the Novotel. If possible, could you provide some more detail about this given my previous experiences with the passport issue have always involved the police, not immigration?

    In a way your post vindicates some of my earlier posts which stated I always (actually almost always) carry my passport with me when in Jakarta to avoid these sorts of situations. I have it in a passport holder that I keep in my front pocket but have attached to one of my belt loops for security (which is under my shirt tail). One of the yahoos here who seems to have nothing better to do than to criticize others' posts once posted that the fact I carried my passport with me meant I had no credibility on this board. I wish it was he, not you, who had been detained, but I suppose there is always hope for the future.

  15. #10886

    Immigration details. Part 2

    In the office they were processing individuals at a very slow pace. Some of the others were from UK and other English speaking countries so we started to discuss among ourselves what was going on. Being held because we did have our passport and not being allowed to go and get it, really doesn't make any sense. Until one guy claimed that we would have to pay 250,000 IDR each as a fine to leave. But around 4:00 am they (immigration) decided that they would stop processing and that we would have to wait until the morning for when the "big boss" arrives. So once again we asked why can we not go and get our passports, no answer and at this point they (all of them) started to pretend that they can't speak English so they can't understand what we are asking.

    At 9:00 am the next day some of the other individuals contacted their embassy and the embassies sent someone to help them out, but what the embassy individuals did was got to the hotels and bring the passports to the office. I contacted the Canadian embassy which was of no help whatsoever. On the trip by myself I was stuck as what to do. So I called the Novotel manager and he went to my room and sent the bellboy with my passport to the office. However the bellboy got the run around for about 3 hours (which I did not have any contact with him except by phone), after 3 hrs he called the manager who came down in person to speak with the whomever. He apparently made some progress as about 4 pm on Wednesday the "big boss. Stephen Gentes" came to speak with me to tell me that I would be processed later. Later was around 10:00 pm on Wednesday in which they checked / verified what they had to do and I was allowed to leave. The manager of the hotel really did help me out quite a bit and for that I am eternally grateful.

    Someone asked about a bribe but I wasn't about to pay any bribes if that was ever a topic with me I would have called the hotel manager once again to intervene. But some of the other guys were telling me that they were told they had to pay 2. 5 M IDR to get released, he got this from his wife as she was discussing this with the officers. How true this is I don't know.

    This is my very disappointing experience in Jakarta for July 2016, I have been coming here semi-annually for almost 10 years. Looks like I will have to choose BKK next time for my holidays.

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