Originally Posted by Frazer

It is very difficult to go below the 2000/4000 threshold in the bars you mentioned and the same goes for the best NEP bars such as the Rainbows.

Originally Posted by Frazer

...Personally I spend less and less (money and time) in the gogos and focus more on the massages and freelancers. From time to time I barfine some girls from Nana and Cowboy (Patpong no longer exists for me), but actually just when I find someone who is not pushy and has a nice and easy attitude (well, big boobs help too). Do I negotiate? Sure but within the limits and always with a smile. Tip? Why not if I got more than I expected?

Originally Posted by Bkk A Ok

For the guys who scoff at the 2000 ST / 4000 LT rates would you include the above 3 bars in that or is it geared towards NEP and beer bars?

Because 1000-1500 ST and 1500-2000 LT feels unrealistic in the above mentioned 3 bars. Lets assume you're only interested in taking the better looking broads.

Originally Posted by Bkk A Ok

Don't want to start another war of words over pricing but reading the last 2 pages has got me thinking. Will be in BKK relatively soon.

I've gone a couple of times in the past and for the gogo's I've only ever barfined from Shark, Tilac and Baccarra.

For the guys who scoff at the 2000 ST / 4000 LT rates would you include the above 3 bars in that or is it geared towards NEP and beer bars?

Because 1000-1500 ST and 1500-2000 LT feels unrealistic in the above mentioned 3 bars. Lets assume you're only interested in taking the better looking broads.

I've paid 3000 LT in Tilac before, but for Shark/Baccara 2000/4000 seems going rate although to be fair I haven't pushed really hard on price. Have tried in the past to cut 500 baht off but I don't put a lot of effort into this (similar to a previous poster who said he'd rather just skip a girl if they price high to start and be done with it).

I have bf'd a real stunner from Shark a couple of times and have her email/sms so usually meet up with her if I'm around. She says she always throws out 3000/6000 and usually gets 2 short times a night?!! Also for the Japanese guys will throw out 5000 ST as a starting point and get taken up on it a fair amount of the time. We hit it off pretty good so I pay her more in line what I'd pay other girls (4000 LT) there but still maybe the whole thing is a giant tarp and I really should be paying 50% less and am a massive sucker here. Just want a reality check.

Originally Posted by Bionicman

I agree
It is good to know the low prices, the average and reasonable ones and, as a curiosity, what some are paying
We are all grown up to recoggnize the high prices and we dont need to comment but if someone is happy to spend...let him be happy.
I myselg make comments in my mind on some outrageously cheap prices (a beggar would get moew, sometime), nevertheless I dont bother the folks here with my comments on those cheap charlies

Originally Posted by Bkk A Ok

I've paid 3000 LT in Tilac before, but for Shark/Baccara 2000/4000 seems going rate although to be fair I haven't pushed really hard on price.

Originally Posted by Spider916

Hear, hear.

I hope some day everybody will understand that there are plenty of different markets in BKK, ranging from the cheap streetworkers at 500 Bath to real Models where the sky is the limit. You can rant as much as you like but can't change it. Different people have different tastes and different means. The same applies to houses, hotels, flights, clothes, cars, watches, food etc.

There are plenty wealthy guys in BKK, be they Thai, Asians or Farangs, who do not mind spending the same percentage of their income as most mongers on girls, but in their case that percentage adds up to a handsome amount.

One of my regulars just came back from a 5 day trip to Phuket staying in a fantastic villa, with a wealthy American. He paid her 100.000 for her time plus food etc.

Did the guy know that he "overspend" by Thai standards ? Yes. Did her care ? No, because he was very happy with the service rendered, had a great holiday which allowed him to recharge his batteries before heading back to the 80 hours workweek in Silicon Valley, and in the US he would probably have spend that much in a day, without any guarantee of good services.

Another 30 something year old girl, I know well, got an expensive condo on Thonglor, a Beamer and 100.000 from her Aussie gig who visits about 3 days a month. Knowing the guy's position and company, his income is at least 300.000 USD per year. Much more in the good years when the bonuses where fat. As long as she keeps him happy when he visits, he doesnt mind those, in his view, reasonable expenses.

Some Thai tycoons spend millions every month on their actress gigs. So what?

Originally Posted by Cunning Linguist

I have been too busy in China lately but I did

want to tell about one of the the weirdest nights I have ever had anywhere ... and it was in Bangkok. It was about 3 weeks ago when I was there. It was a very rainy night and so I stepped out of my hotel room at Nana Hotel to survey the local talent. Admittedly, that is less easy when it starts to pour. A smiling face caught my eye and the face seemed to be pleasant enough. I was intrigued by how she rolled her eyes at me. I asked how much and she stated 1500 baht. I said no way and offered 1200 baht. THat, of course, is 200 over the standard short time fee but I was taken by that glance. As always, I asked her if she was a ladyboy. I seem to have to ask that. I asked that in Thai and the reply was a shaking of the head and something uttered like like sem-sem. That utterance turned out to be more meaningful than I had bargained for.

Up to the room we went. We started talking but something did not seem quite right. I couldn't put my finger on it. I always try to chat the girls up before I do them. It is just common decency. We had a pleasant enough conversation, she mentioned she did not like the Hotel security people but they always hassle her. Nevertheless, there was that nagging question of something that was gone amiss, something that had gone awry. She then told me that she wanted the money up front. From all the reading I have done on the board, I knew that to be a big mistake and I baulked. I told her that I never, never do that. Never.
She started acting strange. She said, OK, you don't like me, do you? At that point, I didn't but my misgivings gave way to sheer terror at the mere thought of where this was leading to. I flat declared that I did NOT like lady boys at all. That was when the she turned out to be a he as he threw a fit. He told me that he had liked me and that I had been playing with him. I told me that I was no gay and that I really, really, really, really did NOT like ladyboys. Sorry. He then threatened to call the police on me if I didn't give him a thousand baht. I called his bluff and told him to first talk to the Nana Hotel security people. This is a time when speaking some Thai is a great advantage. I told them "phom mai chop katoey leuy. Kao bok gahok. I don't like katoeys at all. He lied to me. He left in a huff, cursing me. I asked them in Thai, why didn't you tell me he was a katoey? Their laughing reply shocked me. Farang chop katoey maak maak!. Farangs like katoeys a lot. I then told them that I did NOT like them and that to tell me next if I brought one in (they have to check the IDs which do indicate the gender).

I was so shaken up by that incident that I decided to act on a kind PM from Giotto who invited me over to Livingston's for a beer. I took a cab over and met the man. He really is a great guy and certainly one of the smartest people that I have ever talked to in Thailand in all my Thai experience. After a couple of hours, I went back to Nana, calmed by my talk with Giotto and decided to try for another girl. It had stopped raining by then and I spotted a girl that really looked undeniably girl-like. I mean, I was really focusing on hard to counterfeit femininity. This girl seem to pass all my questions and I was relieved to see that she passed inspection with the Nana Hotel security people. She was, indeed, a she. It was confirmed, much to my relief.
In my room again, we started chatting in Thai. She said that her father was Moslem, a khaek (Indian) and her mother a Thai. There were none of the weird feelings of the other "girl". I was starting to feel good. She went to take a shower while I was entertaining thoughts of what was going to happen next. She came out wrapped in a towel. Then she sprang it on me: She demanded payment upfront immediately. WTF! Though no ladyboy, she was just as adamant about prepayment as the katoey. I replied that was not my policy. I told her that I never, never do that. Never. (I was beginning to sound like a broken record). She then get dressed and left the room in a furious huff. Perhaps someone on the board might tell me why. I suspect that she might have had a hideous scar or was circumcised (defibulation of the labia) or something frighteningly weird.
I was really shaken up by now. I staggered out into the Nana Parking lot more distraught than ever. There were a couple of girls that vied for my attention. I finally told them that I hate katoeys, I only paid after the act. Any problems? No problem, said one of them and for the third time now, I went up to the room with somebody. This time, it was very pleasant. The girl was extremely girlish. Undeniably so. Slim as I like them though I hate the shaving that seems to blight many girls in Thailand. China is so much better in this respect. She really responded to DATY. In fact, her yoni orifice actually gaped and stayed that way. I had thought that only happened in weird porno pics. She came several times, something which was attestable by the contractions in her vagina. There were even pussy farts when she came! Amazing. Amazing Thailand. Amazing but extraordinarily weird night in Thailand.

Originally Posted by Frazer

Yesterday, after some 30 days in BKK, I decided to give a try to one of the african SW working on the low Suk.

Some of you may have noticed a young looking petite black girl with a cute smiling face and a stunning body. She often wears a black top and a colored mini skirt. In the past days I had made a mental note and so when I saw her between soi 5 and 7 I approached her to have some chat before making my decision.

She claims she is from Kenya, that she is 25 and that has worked here for about 4 months. However from her accent and her way of smiling and joking I am almost sure that she is nigerian.

I decided to invite her for a drink and after an initial hesitation (I need to be paid for my time.) she accepted and she followed me to one of the beer bars near NEP. During the following 15/20 minutes we had good time together, we joked about all the bs that she tried to tell me (her name, nationality, her accomodation in BKK.) and we even kissed a couple of times, all very GFE.

Then we discussed about business. She initially asked for 2K bht ST but I told her that I normally pay no more than 1K and that that includes a BBBJ (for which she initially wanted an extra). Also the negotiation went on in a very friendly and cheerful way and in the end she accepted to go for 1K without (apparently) taking it badly.

When at the bar she received the first call on her mobile. My guess is that someone was controlling her.

Off we went to a short time hotel at the beginning of soi 3. Once in the room I undressed her, she helped me with my clothes and then we went for the (cold) shower.

I think that this girl has the best looking body that I have seen in the last 5 or 6 years: an ass to die for, rock solid and round as only a black girl can have, an incredible pair of boobs, round, full, firm and with small and pointy nipples, a smooth and flawless chocolate skin and not a gram of unnecessary fat. Simply fantastic.

I was so horny I could not resist, after some long and passionate DFK I went down on her and (despite the second phone call) in no time she was wet and ready. Then the problems started.

She took me in her mouth (BB as promised) but her poor technique and lack enthusiasm made me change my mind after few seconds. So I put on a condom and got ready to take her missionary. Even if she was still wet she insisted to put some KY in her pussy before I got in.

During the intercurse she didn't move one single muscle (except for the left hand to pick the third phone call), she just spread her legs enough to let me in and maybe she continued breathing. She let me dfk and touch her but for the rest it was like fucking a dead body.

After a couple of minutes I asked her to lay on her stomach and got her from behind but again she did not respond in any way to my efforts. So I stood up, took off the condom and told her that we were finished. She offered to wank me but I refused, went to the shower and then got dressed.

Before leaving (and after pocketing 500 bht that I had left near her bag), she apologised and told me that she felt very bad about her work in Thailand and that actually she had no idea on how to please a man.

When I asked if she had been "circumcised" (nigerians often use this word instead of infibulation) she just smiled to me, of course she had.

In conclusion I think that this girl is culturally, psychologically and physically unfit to be a good sex companion. If you need more than a gorgeous body in your bed then you should look somewhere else. I am not saying that all the africans in BKK will offer the same bad service but in the end why bother when thai girls in this sense are (often) a guarantee?

Originally Posted by Pytheas Mars

Would like to share my impressions at Midnite. I must say I had a great time there a few days ago. Prices of drinks are pretty expensive. Singha : 155 if I remember well, lady drink 200. BF : 700

But I found this bar quite nice, with a good layout, good music and lightening and a great number of very attractive, cute, friendly and well dressed girls. Check number 34, she has just the perfect body and a very cute face.

They also have nice shows.

Above all there is, in my opinion, an absolute treasure in this bar. Her name is Bun (sorry if I write it incorrectly). It means apple in Thai. She performs a lot of the shows, you can't miss her. Not very tall, very small breast, certainly not the kind of girl you would call a sex bomb at first. However when she starts dancing and performing she is just incredibly gracefull and elegant. I found the way she moves on stage, most of the time completely nude, so sensual. It turned me on.

I invited her for a drink and found she has a quite unique personality as well. So different from the typical predictable bargirls.

Her younger sister works in the bar as well . Don't remember her name. She is also very good looking, same type of small breast but taller. And a very good dancer.

Well I invite you to visit the place and tell me what you think of the bar and little Bun ! Or has anybody already met her ?

I would love to see her again next time I am in Bangkok …..

Originally Posted by Henryv

Well said. Now lets say amen, put it to bed, and move on. Most of us joined this board to exchange information, not to read constant haranging about prices.